Vermont Kills Liberal Dream of Single Payer Healthcare

In 2011, Peter Shumlin, the Democrat governor of Vermont, promised to usher in an unprecedented liberal dream for his little corner of the United States. While the rest of the country was concerning themselves with the implications of Obamacare, Shumlin was going to go full-socialist and create single-payer healthcare. He signed a bill creating Green Mountain Care, and observers everywhere looked to see if he could create the Great Liberal Utopia in Vermont.

The logistics would be tricky; just figuring out how it was all going to work was time-consuming. They planned to roll it out in 2017, if all went according to plan. In the meantime, progressives got excited. If single payer worked for Vermont, it could potentially spread across the country. While those meanie Republicans worked to dismantle the president’s healthcare system, the libs would already be on their way to building it back up in the image of Canada.

Senator Bernie Sanders told The Atlantic in 2013, “If Vermont can be that model, it will have a profound impact on discourse in this country.”

Writing in the New York Times this April, Molly Worthen said you couldn’t dismiss the possibility of universal healthcare sweeping the nation. She regaled us with the history of Canada’s healthcare system, starting as it did as a tiny third-party experiment in Saskatchewan before ultimately becoming the law of the land. The same could happen in America, she mused.

Economics and the Power of Positive Thinking

For conservatives scratching their heads about how Vermont was going to pay for all this free healthcare, economist William Hsiao was there to assure everyone that he had it all figured out. In a 2011 Health Affairs paper, Hsiao insisted that single-payer healthcare would save the state 25.3% when compared with their current expenditures. He also determined Vermont could cut employer and household medical spending by $200 million, create nearly 4,000 new jobs, and raise the state’s total economic output by $100 million.

As is so often the case with progressive economic theory, though, reality didn’t match the dream.

This week, Shumlin was forced to announce that Vermont couldn’t afford Green Mountain Care’s $2 billion price tag, Hsiao’s forecast notwithstanding. He opted to shelve single payer healthcare instead, doubtlessly crushing the hopes of millions of American Europhiles. Faced with the prospect of needing an 11.5% payroll tax and a 9.5 increase in the income tax to pay for the plan, Shumlin wisely retreated.

Let’s Stick to Non-Fiction

I understand the people who support single-payer care. It’s maybe the easiest liberal fantasy to “get.” But that’s what it is: a fantasy. When tried, single payer healthcare has unfailingly led to worse access, worse quality, widespread physician shortages, and slowed growth in the field of medical technology. And, of course, it’s monstrously expensive in terms of the taxpayer burden.

In rejecting universal healthcare, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal has a classic line: “No state or nation should consider implementing a system that individuals from other countries come here to escape from.” Amen. The U.S. healthcare system isn’t perfect by any stretch of the imagination (especially now), but it’s a lot better than the alternative. Let’s hope we never have to find that out the hard way.

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  1. BEST LAID PLANS OF MICE AND MEN,OBAMA SHOWED US HOW TO SCREW UP OUR HEALTH CARE WITH HIS UNDER THE COUNTER PROGRAM THAT NOBODY READ,THATS DICTATORSHIP AT BEST,WELL HE WILL BE GONE LET’S HOW IT’S SOONER

  2. To resident Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature:
    It is now Official that the majority of you are CORRUPT politicians:

    All America knows this – WE ARE NOT STUPID !!

    You have FAILED in EVERY “government service” you have shoved down our throats,
    while Overspending our tax dollars….

    0bama is the Poster Boy for the “Peter Principle” –

    The Peter Principle is a proposition that states that the members of an organization where promotion is NOT based on achievement, success, and merit will eventually be promoted Beyond their level of ability, resulting in FAILURE – (Like we have Now, in D.C.)

    • The Peter Principle was valid for ears when he was in the state senate back in gangsterville. I love your posts but I do disagree with one thing you said, we are not stupid. If that were true obama would have NEVER been reelected, although a great deal of fraud was involved, pelosi, reid, rangall and a host others would not continue to get reelected, so their is indeed a degree of stupidity in the voting ranks. Keep up the good work my friend.

      • The poured enough Kool Aid down the throats of their party members to make them stupid until after the election when reality slapped

        them hard and they realized they had screwed up. The Black

        community still fawn over him only because he is an ORIEO and

        they only see the blackness in him.

      • some one was stupid or he would not be in office, but in jail

      • Pardon ME .. I did not vote for Odumbo and I am sure IF all the illegal votes by all of the IDIOTS could be thrown out – he would not be in office..

      • Just a corollary to how to prevent liberal or progressive suicide. Many years ago in the state of Texas, Christian Coalition taught in churches how to get involved in politics on the grassroots level. We took over the Republican Party in Texas and you can see our economy here is booming, and we fought tooth and nail against Obamacare. We were able to reduce Planned Parenthood influence. See the Republican Party of Texas’s Platform. We have rogues in major cities such as Plano, San Antonio, and Houston. But those rogues are again, you guessed it. Liberal and Progressive Democrats. The answer my friend is involvement in Precinct, County, and State Party Conventions. But most of all Thank God for our Creator and His Son Jesus the Christ! To me the Tea Party was an answer to Prayer, and new wave of mostly Christians getting involved on a Grass Roots level in Politics.

        • Right on, Dexter, responsible citizens caring about their nation must be involved in grassroots politics starting with their local precinct caucus. That’s exactly what put Ronald Reagan in office and uncloned the Democrat and Republican platforms. These twin statements of party priorities were identical socialist dream disasters until true Republican conservatives stated Their objectives and temporarily ended the liberal Democrat onslaught against our liberties. We can do it again..

        • I could not agree more with you. We get the government we ask for either outright votes or not voting at all. I have always respected TX for being the most apt state to be doing what is right and holding off the whack jobs on the left. It is a shame that it hasn’t been cloned in the rest of the country.

      • Its called voter fraud not stupidy

    • Love your post!
      If Obama had been a business pitching Obamacare, with all the lies that we know now, federal government would charge him with fraud!

    • Baloney Mac Boy, the economy and country are in the best shape they’ve been in over a decade.Our building business (and retirement accounts) are through the roof. Presidents always get too much of the credit and too much of the blame for the economy, but I’ll take another eight years of this any day.

      • Yeah, why don’t you take it somewhere else!

        • Because I want to point out the truth.

          • “To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.”
            Reading your comments, you won’t know the truth if it bit you in the asssssss.

          • So you fancy yourself a philosopher? Well I am a teacher, so I plan on dealing with FACTS, not truth. Your “truth” describes the world as you wish it to be… and believe me, I would be wholeheartedly in favor of that world… if it were real. However, I have to deal with the world based on FACTS. As a man, I see how many people I have known or known of fallen on hard times, gut wrenching, punch in the gonads sort of hard times. What worries me most is that these are college educated people, people with genuine talents, the people who were at the head of their class. I can only imagine what has happened to working class families, the people who didn’t get to go to college.

            But, oh that’s right, I don’t have to imagine: I have their children in my classes! I’ve had students falling asleep, not because they are bored or on drugs or just plain irresponsible, but because on top of everything else, they’re working insane hours. And not to get a new iPhone or a car, its because they’re families are skating along on the raggedy edge, with one or both parents on reduced hours or wages or both.

            You have a choice Ms D: you can either keep flinging out talking points, and keep on living in your dreamworld. OR, you can wake the hell up, and see the world as it actually is, and start trying to HELP.

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            http://www.impcalgi.com

      • There are 92 million working age Americans who ARE NOT WORKING. There are 45 million people on food stamps. Millions of people across this country are having to pillage their 401ks just to pay their bills and not lose their homes. This may be the best economy ever for you,but here on planet Earth, it sucks out loud

        • Where do you get these numbers? Did you make them up? Even the Heritage Foudation has the number of people who left the workforce (for all reasons) at around 6 million. There are only 300 million people in the entire country. STOP THE LYING

          • Where did I get these numbers? Glad you asked: here is the source for the numbers I cite:
            http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.a.htm

            That would be the Bureau of Labor Statistics, an official arm of the US government. If you follow that link and go to the line where it says “Not in labor force”, then go to the column for “Nov 2014” You will see that the number is 92,447,000.

            How did they arrive at this figure? Simple: they took the number of people of working age, then subtracted from it those who are actually working, as measured by the fact that they have filed w2 forms.

            Now I can understand your confusion Mz Dougherty: on the news, all the talking heads are talking about less than 6% unemployment rate. What they don’t tell you is that this only measures people who are receiving unemployment benefits and actively looking for work. It doesn’t measure the people who have run out of unemployment but still don’t have a job. Those people haven’t found some magical way of creating money from thin air: they’re just plain screwed. What’s worse, they have to put up with pinheads on TV talking about the “great” economy, not to mention clueless unfeeling heartless know it alls like you.

            But let’s dig a little further, shall we Mz D? Even the number of people “working” is deceptive. One of the rules set down by ObamaCare is that 30 hours a week is considered “full time”. So, people who used to work 40 hours but now only work 30 are “full time” even though they’re taking home less money. Likewise, people who are only working part time hours are still counted as “employed” even though they make less money; ditto for the people who are making hourly wages they thought they left behind ten years ago.

            Bottom line: I’m sure you’re a smart and capable person, and that’s part of the reason you’re doing so well. Naturally, you take your situation, combine it with the crap you’re fed on the “news”, so then naturally you come to the conclusion that the economy is “great”. What you don’t understand is that you are also damned LUCKY. I personally know many people — good, smart, college educated, hard working people — who have lost homes, seen marriages go up in smoke, had to file for bankruptcy, lost their cars, seen their credit ratings slashed to Third World status; in a word, just awful. Many of them I used to envy: they were sales and lawyers and engineers and other professionals who made way more than their friend the high school teacher. Now I feel so lucky to have the job I do, even though the admins often treat some of us like crap, knowing full well they can get away with it.

            To conclude, I am now going to take my turn using all caps as you did. Ready? Here goes: if you want to see the world as it really is, PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR A$$ AND WIPE THE SH*T FROM YOUR EYES.

            That, and don’t mess with a high school teacher who does his homework and knows his facts from primary sources. Go to the back of the class, sit down and close your pie hole.

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          • Not so fast there. Let’s look at their definition (http://www.bls.gov/cps/lfcharacteristics.htm#nlf) of the the data category you want to cherrypick:
            Not in the labor force: Persons who are neither employed nor unemployed are not in the labor force. This category includes retired persons, students, those taking care of children or other family members, and others who are neither working nor seeking work.

            So you want to count high schoolers, retirees, stay at home moms, etc. in your stats?
            Typical conservative BS.
            BTW, I never mentioned the unemployment rate, but I see that you choose to. Wow, you guys just HATE good news, eh? 😉

            P.S. Are you a public or private school teacher, just curious.

          • No, it DOES NOT include retired persons… look again. The people counted are those of WORKING age, between 18 and 65. There are 92 million people not working. and your bogus unemployment is hardly “good news” since it doesn’t represent reality. Of course, I have already explained this, so now you are simply living in denial, since that is much easier than seeing the world as it is

            You are blind and foolish, and I honestly hope that the fate that has befallen so many millions of good working people in this country never happens to you. Partly because I honestly work and have always worked very hard to make thing better for everyone. And partly because if it does happen, you will be completely blindsided, and will literally have no idea what the hell just happened.

            Good luck and GOD bless

            Ideals Mastering Power Creating All Life GOD IS
            http://www.impcalgi.com

          • Thank you for the kind thoughts. Please read my comment again for the BLS definition of “Not in the labor force” that I copied and pasted (with attribution) with no edit. They claim this term includes retired persons, not me. Sheesh people.
            Paul, do you mind if I ask if you are associated with the KKK? I visited your website earlier and am confused about the symbology.

          • Well yes, I can understand your confusion, as you’re not particularly bright… if you were, you’d be a much more convincing and less obvious liar. But, actually I do mind… since its obvious that someone at your house knows how to read English, then even the most cursory read of any part of the website shows I am not associated with the Klan… that and the fact that they have never accepted people who aren’t 100% white.

            Btw, nice try at changing the subject, but even an obvious dotGov troll such as yourself
            can see that A) “single payer” has FAILED miserably in the most socialist state in the country — the original point of the article B) the half assed version of single payer known as ObamaCare is a miserable failure, built on lies with sky rocketing premiums and a website that could have been built better by any of a hundred former students of mine C) There are 92 MILLION WORKING AGE PEOPLE who are not working. You can dance around that one all ya like, you heartless witch, but facts are facts. D) Unless you want us to believe in unicorns and the tooth fairy, you have zero chance of anyone believing that you’re a “small business owner” who loves ObamaCare.

            Nice try. You’ve been outed dotGov troll. Thanks for playing 🙂

            Ideals Mastering Power Creating All Life GOD IS
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          • Ah Paul, nice; I see you choose to employ the technique of personally attacking someone when you have been challenged. I also noted that you never answered my question or refuted my accurate call out of who makes up your 92 million people number. While I hope that a single payer approach or at least a “public option” will happen in the US eventually, I am no fan of this hodgepodge mess of “Obamacare” that you folks are partly responsible for getting us stuck with. I hope that in time the US will come to understand that perhaps other 1st world nations have figured out something we’ve been slow to accept here about our quality of life. And BTW, I live part of the year in Vermont. I plan to retire there.

            I’ll let you have the last word in case you have more insults and aspersions to cast.

            P.S. A witch? LOL. Allow me to wish you a Merry Winter Pagan Ritual then!

            Cheers

          • Nice try dotGov troll, but if you think that you can accuse me of being part of a racist terror group and not be relentlessly mocked for being an absolute imbecile, then you are much mistaken. Nice try, thanks for playing, the bridge you live under is calling your name

            Ideals Mastering Power Creating All Life GOD IS
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          • Nice try dotGov troll. Thanks for playing. There are some lovely parting gifts for you to take back to the bridge you live under

            Ideals Mastering Power Creating All Life GOD IS
            http://www.impcalgi.com

          • Go back to BLS and read the definition of “Employed” and get back to us. (then go to the SSA and look up the definition of SGA…just for fun. I don’t object to the stats as they are reported, what I object to is people interpreting them without an ample multidimensional perspective. Also your response is non-responsive. Also, you have to get personal about it, that is a technique used by people who have weak arguments. Might want to rethink that.

          • The Labor Force Participation rate is plummeting except for 55+…and no the LFP rate plummet is clear not entirely due to retiring baby boomers. Anyone who looks only at the decrease in the unemployment rate and the increase in “jobs” is drinking the kool aid

          • Quite so; plus, the “labor force” is defined as being those below retirement age, so it doesn’t include those over 65.

            Additionally, you can find evidence of just how bad things are by analogy and inference. For example, in the field of astrophysics, they have been able to infer the existence of the phenomenon known as “black holes” by watching for intense bursts of X ray radiation, thought to accompany those black holes. Likewise, if you look at the massive increase of people needing government assistance — especially the increase in food stamp recipients — you can find evidence that the economy is far from being all “sunshine and lollipops”. After all, why are all these millions seeking assistance? Is it because they are “lazy”? Or is it because they have seen their hours or their wages chopped? Or perhaps they had a two income household, and now its down to only one?

            Another indicator can be found in the housing markets: many people like to point to this as a sign of “recovery”, ignoring the fact that the number and percentage of those all important first time home buyers has plunged. So who IS buying up these homes? Could it be investment groups, snapping up homes that have plunged in their “value”, and then either flipped them, or kept them as income properties?

            Even besides all these dry stats, there’s not a person here who doesn’t know lots of people — good, hard working, well trained people — who have been struggling for years. What should we believe: the chirpy singing of the meat puppets on the so called “news”, or the evidence of our own eyes?. I submit to you that the ONLY people on this forum saying that “everything’s coming up roses” are all dotGov trolls, nothing more. Soul-less, heartless scum, profiting off the misery of others. Dear GOD, I’ve seen feral pigs with more conscience.

            Ideals Mastering Power Creating All Life GOD IS
            http://www.impcalgi.com

          • If you go to the last census, there are 350 million LEGAL residents in this country, and an estimated 30 million illegals. You libs will lie about everything!

            “To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.”

      • Did you know, if you turn off your ObamaPhone, and quit drinking
        the Kool-Aid, your headaches will stop – and the “voices” will go away?

      • You must be raking in the freebies because we the few who work are drowning fast

  3. Obama will be gone sooner if enough of us go after our Senators to vote for this traitor’s arrest. In the meantime, if the GOP wants to win in 2016, they better get to work on devising a free enterprise health plan that will finally outperform the socialistic Obamascare. The S is on purpose!

  4. Canada’s healthcare is so great Pierre Trudeau, Prime Minister, came to the USA when he needed a heart operation at his own expense

    • socialist medicine does not work. Look at obamy care and look at the VA.neither is working.

    • That’s a lie Jack. Just how clueless are you? Pierre Trudeau was a diehard liberal and progressive; he led the Liberal Party for more than a decade. You may be thinking of Jean Cretien, former Canadian PM who had a serious heart condition – treated in Quebec.

      • If ObamaCare is so great and wonderful, why do people have to be forced into it by mandates?

        • Because people really will choose to get it for free, at emergency rooms, rather than pay for insurance. Why don’t you try asking your Tea Party friends in Congress to pay for their own healthcare? Fix your own house first

          • Take away your handouts first.

          • Obummer care is not insurance .With the premiums so high and the deductibles.I have never spent that much at the doctors in my life as they expect me to spend in one year.

          • I agree that the premiums are too high, but that is the symptom, not the real problem. Dig deeper into the mess that the US healthcare system is.

          • Wow do you even listen to the venom you spew? Not the real problem? Tell that to all the formerly middle class workers out there who have seen their premiums sky rocket because of ObamaCare. Unlike your Dear Leader, these people can’t just ask someone to whip up money out of thin air for them. People are having to forego household expenses to pay for this idiotic disaster President MomJeans has dumped in their laps. And unlike you, you stuck up snob, they’re not foregoing their timeshare in the Hamptons, their weekend at the Vineyard or their place at the silent auction to benefit the rich and undeserving. I personally know people who have had to make do for clothing for their children, buying it at good will for the first time in their lives, people who can’t take their kids out to eat, who were going to replace their 12 year old cars with a new one, but can’t afford the payments now, all thanks to their premiums launching into orbit because of ObamaCare

            And yes, yer darned tootin’ I said because. Seriously, did any of you ObamaNazi morons ever stop to think how premiums were going to magically go down when you try to add 30 million new people to the insurance rolls? With all their pre-existing condition covered too? And while we’re at it, did you think that the price of anything is going to go down when you mandate that people have to buy it? Where did you learn about economics, the back pages of People magazine?

            I have seen women who had a house drop on their sister with more empathy than you. Typical limousine “liberal”.

            Ideals Mastering Power Creating All Life GOD IS
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          • Turns out Erin, that there are many, many people from Canada who are getting their operations here. The Canadian system is backlogged as far as operations.
            I had experience in Spain with their single payer system. I had a hernia repair some time around 1997, excellent hospital, no problems. I was in the hospital again around 2002 for something and a cardiologist on rounds with students, found my A fib and after trying to get things back into whack with electroshock, treated me with warfarin and a Beta blocker, I have been fine since. I just had to go in once monthly to get my INR read. During this time period, from 2002 thru 2007, I noticed that the waiting room on my weekly visits was increasingly full, of Muslims. It turned out that they were treating everyone, Spanish or not, and putting up with the usual Muslim arrogance. I have a good friend who is a general practitioner there and he is between a rock and a couple of hard places.
            1.- He has to be in the system or he cannot get a patient because no one wants to pay.
            2.- His pay through the system is lousy.
            3.- He had to hire a clerical worker to do his paperwork.
            Trust me, if the Spanish paperwork for a single payer system is ludicrous, imagine what it would be here!

          • Why don’t you ask the Obamas why THEYwill NEVER be on ObamaCare? And btw, dumbass, ALL members of Congress got exempted from ObamaCare; that’s a key part of the “Affordable” Care Act. And who voted for this cesspool of a bill? Was it the Tea Party? Or heartless “liberal” Democrats? Hmmmmmmm…??? Might wanna re-connect your brain to its stem BEFORE try to talk again.

            Go way to the back of the class, sit down, and shut your pie hole. Your homework is to learn how to see and use facts. Later on, we’ll help you overcome your allergies to logic and common sense.

            Ideals Mastering Power Creating All Life GOD IS
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  5. The liberal lie, we want something without paying for it, and it will save us money and create more wealth. They watched to many Disney cartoons as a child and their parents didn’t tell them it was fantasy not reality.

    • PS : I like Disney BUT I harbor a real dislike for O B care. I do not believe that I can afford it.

      • grama18, I have nothing against Disney. I was using it as an analogy of people who form beliefs on something that is fantasy. I’ve actually had numerous people over the years tell me that they hated hunters because of the movie bambi. There is nothing wrong with the movie, what’s wrong is when a person bases their beliefs on a fantasy. I’ve known a lot of men over the years who base their idea’s of what goes on in the world from movies they watch. Hollywood is nothing but fantasy. Even when they make a movie based on historical happenings, its still tainted by Hollywood’s need to spice it up in order to sell the movie.

  6. Daily the left liberals are faced with the disaster their party has created and the fact that it is a total failure of their party and their POS leaders of the Communist Democratic party.

  7. One payer has worked everywhere else in the world, just as Socialism has. Earth to retards……it’ll never work!!!!

  8. feel free to copy and paste anywhere

    Let the liberals keep thinking their delusional thoughts, it only hastens the demise of the liberal agenda and brings more of their base – the ones who are finally seeing the truth behind their rhetoric to the ranks of Conservatives voters. People are waking up to the fact that liberal “solutions” do more harm than good to our nation, our people and our economy so their solutions are based on lies, fabrications and their Gruber mentality that the American electorate is stupid, makes poor choices and only they can lead us to the promised land. A promised land where the US becomes a 3rd rate 3rd world 2 bit country of misery, no hope, no change and divided.

    February 17, 2008, reprint – Psychiatrist Confirms: Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder

    As a clinical and forensic psychiatrist, Lyle Rossiter has treated over 1,500 patients and examined over 2,700 civil and criminal cases. Turning his hand to political psychopathology, the author of The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, has diagnosed an alarming percentage of the population as suffering from the grotesque form of mental derangement known by some as moonbattery

    The Liberal Mind is the first in-depth examination of the major political madness of our time: The radical left’s efforts to regulate the people from cradle to grave. To rescue us from our troubled lives, the liberal agenda recommends denial of personal responsibility, encourages self-pity and other-pity, fosters government dependency, promotes sexual indulgence, rationalizes violence, excuses financial obligation, justifies theft, ignores rudeness, prescribes complaining and blaming, denigrates marriage and the family, legalizes all abortion, defies religious and social tradition, declares inequality unjust, and rebels against the duties of citizenship. Through multiple entitlements to unearned goods, services and social status, the liberal politician promises to ensure everyone’s material welfare, provide for everyone’s healthcare, protect everyone’s self-esteem, correct everyone’s social and political disadvantage, educate every citizen, and eliminate all class distinctions. Radical liberalism thus assaults the foundations of civilized freedom. Given its irrational goals, coercive methods and historical failures, and given its perverse effects on character development, there can be no question of the radical agenda’s madness. Only an irrational agenda would advocate a systematic destruction of the foundations on which ordered liberty depends. Only an irrational man would want the state to run his life for him rather than create secure conditions in which he can run his own life. Only an irrational agenda would deliberately undermine the citizen’s growth to competence by having the state adopt him. Only irrational thinking would trade individual liberty for government coercion, sacrificing the pride of self-reliance for welfare dependency. Only a madman would look at a community of free people cooperating by choice and see a society of victims exploited by villains. [From The Liberal Mind; The Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., MD]

  9. I love it when the ideas of Liberals crash and burn….It reinforces the FACT that Liberalism is a MENTAL DISEASE. Liberalism is a mental disease because the liberal mind believes his agenda is good social science. It is, in
    fact, bad science fiction. In spite of all the data that shows their visionary fantasies are all failures, they persist in this agenda, despite its madness,and therefore fall under the old saying insanity is doing the same things over
    and over again expecting different results.

    Yet, despite all the evidence against it, the modern Moreover the liberal always has, far flung theories, ideas,
    distortions, scapegoats , and above all putting self proclaimed experts and in this case an economist to prop up and keep their mindless fantasies moving. This is a good example of one of those fantasies

    Liberalism IS a disease, common sense is the cure. But as Ron White the comedian says……there ain’t no fixin
    STUPID in this case the same applies……………… There ain’t no fixin liberalism

  10. Maybe the Government should ease up on doctors restrictions. I wish the doctors would charge reasonable fees, were the patients could pay w/out help from insurance company’s. That’s how they billed when I was a kid. My dad paid cash out of his pocket……..

  11. Apparently, the Governor needs a course in Remedial Math! LOL That’s what all those NY liberals who moved to Vermont deserve-a Demo Governor who doesn’t know economic basics; typical of the leftist Utopians.

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