South Carolina Removes Flag, Cures Racism

In an historic move that will forever be remembered as the day racism finally came to an end, South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley has signed into law a measure removing the Confederate battle flag from the Statehouse grounds. The culmination of weeks of debate, the flag’s removal has had a series of ripple effects. The Southern Poverty Law Center declared racism “dead,” the NAACP officially merged with the Ku Klux Klan, and Southerners everywhere denounced their heritage of black oppression.

Or not.

Instead of focusing on the heinous crimes of one disturbed murderer, South Carolina and the rest of the country decided to use the Charleston church shooting as an excuse to attack a visible symbol of the Confederacy. The flag has long been a source of controversy, but the line between the stars and bars and Dylann Roof is tenuous at best. Yes, he had a Confederate flag license plate. So what? Did we demand that orange hair dye be removed from stores after James Holmes shot up that theater? If Adam Lanza had been photographed in front of an LGBT flag, would we have revolted against that symbol in the wake of Sandy Hook?

At best, the flap over the flag has been a trivial distraction. At worst, it is a blatant attempt to erase Southern heritage in the wake of a terrible tragedy that had nothing to do with the Confederate flag. And worst of all, Republicans like Haley, Jeb Bush, and others have not bothered to put up the slightest resistance to this obvious attack. Polls show that Americans are split right down the middle when it comes to the flag, but you wouldn’t know it from watching our elected representatives. In Washington and Charleston, politicians have avoided supporting the flag as though it is akin to supporting slavery.

Only a few politicians have had the guts to speak out for Southern heritage. Those that do risk everything to tell the truth. That Southerners don’t support slavery. That the Confederate flag stands for much more than the actual Confederate army. It has come to stand for the Southern way of life. Heritage. Pride. Ancestry. Freedom. Has it been used as a symbol of racism as well? Absolutely. But the vast majority of its supporters look at that flag and see an inextricable part of their history.

If removing the Confederate flag would prevent mass shootings, no one would oppose it. If it would cure racism, everyone would be on board with its removal. But taking it down will do nothing. Nothing at all. It is a gesture of pure nonsense, meant to satisfy easily-impressed liberals before they get bored and move on to something else. Unfortunately, long after everyone has left this disturbing tragedy behind, Southerners will have to live with the unfair allegations liberals have smeared them with. Taking the flag down may appear as a moment of unity, but it is actually a stunning move towards a new era of division.

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  1. considering cons pretend that the flag is somehow “in remembrance” of the confederate army, it seems odd that they didn’t put that flag UP until the civil rights act was inching closer to reality in 1961.

    and then there is the other fact that General Lee himself wanted the flag GONE after the end of the war.
    He also made sure it was not used in his burial and that no one wore a confederate uniform at his funeral.

    so WHY exactly do all the cons have their panties in a knot over this?

  2. I am so glad that racism is dead. It seems that the Republicans have been fighting for this for a long time.

    • Clara SoRelle Perry

      that is the most ignorant thing I have heard from anyone in a long time… No one likes racisim….this artical is pure scarsam.

      • So, why did you read it. Racism will never die!

        • stop the lieberals

          I don’t know if you were serious about tylenol, I didn’t see anything on it but I wouldn’t doubt it.
          Next the libs will want to outlaw cotton too.
          Wouldn’t doubt some libtard out there somewhere has already suggested it in a backroom secret discussion.

          • It was a joke that I received this AM, to prove how ludicrous the removal of a flag will stop racism. It, will never end….. Because we’ll (in the south) never forget. Because my southern gag license plate say’s “HELL NO I AIN’T FORGETIN”!! You’ve probably seen them around if your a “TARHEEL”…..

          • stop the lieberals

            Nah, I’m in NV but I like it anyway.

          • The plate is a crusty old southern general, pot bellied, used uniform grey, hat crushed off to one side, Saber hanging low on his left side, army colt hanging the same on the other. Battle flag @ the right,,,,, with the caption @ the bottom. !!HELL NO I AIN’T FORGETTIN!! OH, & a handle bar moustache hanging down to his shoulders.

          • Michael Dennewitz

            Hell, I even have the rebel flag decal on my motorcycle tag.. I get some mean assed looks, but no one has the balls to say anything. They can visually see I’m “carrying,” (legally).

          • Right on, I carry also. Here in the city in AZ, Every well dressed man has a 1889 colt single action revolver on their side. The only difference of money, is whether you’re nickel, or silver,,,, on you’re holster.

          • Michael Dennewitz

            But shouldn’t they also outlaw knives and extra long, sharp spikes? Those kill people every day! sar

          • stop the lieberals

            They should outlaw white TP.
            I wouldn’t even be surprised if some “Reality check” nut ball called poo racist because it’s brown.
            It must be emotionally disturbing for liberals to look in the bowl before flushing.

          • stop the lieberals

            Here’s a good one.

            Obamacare Devastates Tanning Industry

            The Affordable Care Act imposed a tax on tanning salons that has devastated the tanning industry and led to the loss of some 80,000 jobs.
            Obamacare stipulated that beginning in 2010, the so-called Tanning Tax imposed a 10 percent excise tax on tanning bed services, in addition to state sales taxes and taxes paid by the tanning salon owner.

            It’s like punishing people because they want darker skin.
            Maybe they’ll use the tax to pay for damages and devastation caused by rioters.

    • I am glad that you are glad….. Now let’s get rid of all the cars, so drunk drivers will quit killing innocent civilians….

      Republicans are blamed for everything even though President Lincoln was a Republican…

      Republicans can handle the Lying Rebel Propaganda regarding the Confederate Flag…..

    • Dream on. Racism will never be truly dead until people accept the fact that Civil War happened, it was a dark part of our history, and can not be altered. This petty revenge and outrage over symbols by a group that wants to perpetuate strife has to ceased.

      • I was being half sarcastic. I wanted to point out that Republicans have been fighting to eliminate racism for a long time. And the people that they have been fighting were/are democrats.

        • “were/are democrats”
          Why does this lying POS keep forgetting that the Democrats have BOTH cons and liberals in the party.

          is that too many words for the con to memorize?
          too complex an idea for the ONE CONCEPT conservatives

          the only people fighting FOR racism are the CONSERVATIVES, fool

          • How are the republicans fighting for racism? Are you swimming in Lake Smirnof?

          • defending the flag, silly.
            you know the symbol of segregation that was only put up as the civil rights era started.

            “and then there is the other fact that General Lee himself wanted the flag GONE after the end of the war.
            He also made sure it was not used in his burial and that no one wore a confederate uniform at his funeral.

            so WHY exactly do all the cons have their panties in a knot over this?

            to DEFEND racism, since history is obviously not the answer.
            well unless DISRESPECTING General Lee is what the cons are trying to do.

          • Sharpton, Jackson, obama, are democrats, and not conservative democrats. Gotta a problem with their continued racism?

          • post some example if they are so blatant.
            shouldn’t be hard for a well informed con like you.

          • Holder refused to prosecute the New Black Panthers for voter intimidation. Sharpton inserted himself in Ferguson, calling for protest against white cops shooting a black man for racist views, before the facts came out. Sharpton inserted himself in the Boston, again calling for violent protest. Holder refusal to prosecute or even acknowledge white victims of racially motivated attacks. Obama’s public affirmation that all incidents of black deaths was an “injustice” yet where is his condemnation for the death of a black child by a black man?

          • I see you post YOUR WORDS, I don’t see you posting al sharpton’s words calling for a riot.
            that’s because he didn’t.

            do you know what a “quote” IS Brenda?

            did you ever go to school?

            “Holder refused to prosecute the New Black Panthers”
            because THERE WAS NO VOTER INTIMIDATION.

            now if you wold like to post a story to back up your ignorant opinions, go for it.

          • Oh, standing in front of a polling place banishing bats is not voter intimidation? Ignorance can not be cured especially in those that delight in calling others ignorant.

          • more flapping gums Brenda?
            so far all you have proven is that you are incapable of proving anything.

          • in front of an majority BLACK voting station with ONE guy with a police baton.

            you think they intimidated the blacks?
            or the handful of white people who LIVE WITH the blacks.

            details make all the difference.
            con just hate them cause it ruins their fairy tales.

          • Boy, you are out of your mind to ask someone else if they ever went to school, you English language barren (I didn’t mean to spell baron), intellectual idiot. If you knew a quote when you saw it you would be unable to read with your lack of education. You must be young enough to have attended school after they quit teaching and went to indoctrinating kids on Socialism, Communism and the Qur’an.
            It is too bad that Brenda can’t show you the videos of those Black Panthers at the polls in their Black Panther uniforms brandishing their black batons and intimidating white folks, whom they actually turned away from the polls. But you wouldn’t believe it even if you saw it.
            Opinions are what you are espousing. Only the blind could not see that. Oh, now I know why you can’t write. You’re (notice the correct spelling of that word) blinded! Brenda gave you the cold hard-for-you-to-take FACTS! MORON!

          • Don’t forget the dixiecrats of ago

          • don’t forget the Dems have both cons and liberals in the party

          • Don’t forget that Reality Check is either lying through his teeth or just plain ignorant of the occupants of his own party.

          • So Brenda isn’t the dumbest con on the block I will explain.
            Obama is a corporatist.
            Sharpton and Jackson are more progressive liberals.

            love to see some of that racism.

            cons love to throw around talking points, NEVER back them up of course.

            why is that?

          • Oh yea of great knowledge. Obama is not a corporatist since he does not share the fundamental basis of a unified group. Seeking to divide people by class, race, and economic status is not a unifying factor.
            Sharpton and Jackson are not progressive liberals, if they are, then they are the scum of progressive liberals., They parley the race card for money.
            But then, you could be presented with an encyclopedia of proof and dictionary of meanings and still would not acknowledge your ignorance.

          • still looking for those quotes for racism that you LIED ABOUT?

            “There’s no such thing as a conservative democrat”

            ya well Brenda, THAT has NOT happened.
            so far, the only proof we have had is YOUR FLAPPING GUMS.

          • stop the lieberals

            That was me, don’t blame brenda.

          • Gums do not flap, stupid. Tongues flap. It is too bad you haven’t accrued enough intelligence to quit posting dung, and switch to the Nation-loving (as is found in our national patriotic songs) side of the United States of America. To clarify: the other America that you apparently hate.

          • Name something that you have thrown out and backed up with fact, or at least truth.

          • I seem to be the only one here that knows the History of the flag taken down.
            which I posted.

            if you pay attention, you will see i post links all the time.

            this thread doesn’t require much in the way of evidence.

          • I have seen many of your posts and have replied to all I have seen; probably to late for you to see. And I am truthfully ashamed of my harshness. I have just been overly eager to get you to consider things like undiluted American history, patriotism, love of our home country, the lives which have been sacrificed that you and I may have these useless discussions without fear from our governing bodies and martial law, to have choice of religion or to live without it, to choose between bar, which I used to choose, or Baptist church, which I now choose, between glorifying the old serpent Satan or the sinless Son of God, our Savior Jesus, who died the torturous death of the cross that upon our last breath we may step across the threshold of the paradise of heaven and into eternal life. You see, I spent 20 years in the Marine Corps raising hell and lifting up Satan and only 40 years trying to make up for all the wrong I did by lifting up Jesus Christ my Savior: not paying the debt for it is not payable by me, but manifesting my appreciation for Jesus paying that debt I could not pay. I owed a debt I could not pay. He paid the debt He did not owe. For you, me, and anyone who will trust Him for forgiveness of sin and entrance into heaven. (Romans 3:10 and 13; 5:8; 6:23; and 10:9, 10, and 13). Please, note the time on this post. It is my last one on this subject.

          • my problem is the outright hatred that is directed at everything “liberal or Democrat, completely without basis.
            example?

            The Dems cause the global crash.

            not sure where you stand on this bit of inaccuracy but it’s as far from the truth as it gets.
            BUT posted constantly by cons who want to point fingers in any direction but the people who DID IT.

            I am agnostic by the way.
            (shocking right?)

          • You don’t even understand the difference between hatred and expressing truth or even opinion. Get a life RC, before you destroy what little of yourself Is left.

          • the don’t exhibit racism.
            I see that Brenda has a problem posting some quotes of their constant racism.

            Brenda LIED it seems.

          • As much as I would like to tell you exactly what you are, I will not. Since your only response is insult, your comments are not worth further notice.

          • You mean like you had a problem spelling the long (over four letters) word, “They” (with an upper case “T”? No. Brenda didn’t lie. It is just that you and your Democrat Socialist and Communist Comrades have stacked up so many lies that truth is no longer recognized by you.

          • I do find your rhetoric a bit offensive, but then – it is a free country. It does allow you to make a fool of yourself.

          • stop the lieberals

            There’s no such thing as a conservative democrat and the new republican party conservatives are RINO CINO Hearno speakno in conservative ideology.
            It’s starting to look like the only real conservatives (like myself) are the folks in these discussion sites.

          • “There’s no such thing as a conservative democrat”

            well THAT just proved how friggin ignorant the con IS.

          • stop the lieberals

            There may be moderate democrats but conservative, not a chance.
            Graham is as liberal as one can get, so is Bush, so is Christie, and Rubio is to close to being liberal for my tastes.

          • Are you calling 0bama, Sharpton, and Mathews and their race baiting racism racists?
            Wow you might be coming around.

          • are YOU posting stupid shit again?

          • What a twisted mind! The Democrat Socialist Party considers anyone who is not FAR left to be conservative. There may be conservative thoughts that enter some of their minds sometimes, but they are so few and far between that they don’t count.

      • Michael Dennewitz

        With the HTNIG, look only for the worst!!!

      • It will only grow as politicians occupy offices that should be occupied by statesmen and patriotic women, regardless of their color. I, a white retired Marine and a retired conservative fundamental Christian pastor, believe that Ken Carson could, and would, solve our racial divisions and rebuild what that half-breed Muslim Communist has destroyed.

      • We are tired of you liberal scum, leave us alone we are trying to get through this without partitioning the USA and getting you away from us, but you apparently intend to force us to partition the USA to get rid of you scum

    • I suspect that as long as there’s a “demon”cratic party, racism will NEVER die! It’s one of the “phoniest”, but best tools the democratic party has, & they damn sure know how to use it for THEIR advantage!!!

  3. My answer is a big BULL.

  4. Does any one honestly believe that simply taking down a flag will end racism in the United States? The only thing this will do is to embolden anti-southern racist to continue the destruction of the southern history. Already they clamor for the removal of all southern memorials and monuments. Continual feeding of this racism will not discourage their rabid hatred of all things southern.

  5. As long as Sharpton, Obama, Jackson and Holder are alive Racism will never be dead. Racism works in

    both directions and among many different races. That flag had and has nothing to do with it.

    • As long as they profit from racism, they will feed racism.

      • Thats true to.

      • Precisely

      • MAHB001,
        We saw from the outpouring of mixed racial effort in Charleston that race was not an issue there. We have seen mixed responses of the other tragedies as well. So I do not think that the flag plays any part in what is happening. What we have had is racial in that it is basically a protest against poverty and the perceived attitude of police toward blacks. The bad attitude by blacks toward the police did not help, either.

        • Race was NOT the issue in Ferguson or in the Travon Martin case either.

          That did not stop the race baiters.

          What I see is an ill informed gullible public being fed BS by people who profit from their unrest. Those people who profit are those that control the media, and both political parties. They profit from the civil unrest.
          “We can not let a crisis go to waist.” now can we.

          • MAHB001,
            The Trevor Martin case was between a black youth and a Hispanic adult. It was not black vs. white.
            The Ferguson shooting was between a thief and a police officer who was attacked by the thief. I do not see color as having anything to do with the incident.
            Yes, there are those who shamefully abuse civil right for profit. But what I see is the poor against the establishment.

          • You are correct, yet if you read what was said in the media.
            Martin was black youth with lolly pop vs White racist.
            Ferguson was a young black man strolling down the street with his hands up saying dont shoot, vs white racist cop.

            The race baiters that shamefully abused these events was the Left Stream Media. Jackson, Sharpton, and 0bama just took advantage of a corrupt media.

          • MAHB001,
            Back during the Ferguson case I made similar comments to what you are saying. Not until the evidence of Brown trying to get the officer’s gun did I see any favorable press toward the police. I am appalled at the whole affair in which a policeman was forced out of his career for doing his job. But he had no choice as he would surely have been killed by a rabid idiot.

          • The Left Stream Media media was the cause of that unjust action.

            They deceitfully promoted the story with malice with the purpose of promoting their liberal agenda. They could have easily cleared the Policeman of wrong doing, stopped the riots that caused all that destruction, and brought a calm to the whole situation.
            But that is not what the left wanted.

            The MEDIA is corrupt, has abandoned news reporting and has reduced its “reporting” to propaganda.

            We are doing something about the media bias at:
            http://www.madashellboycott.com

            Please join if you feel the way I do.

          • MAHB001,
            The media thrives on controversy. Look at the press concerning Trump.

          • The media thrives on 1/2 of the controversy. Only the 1/2 that forwards socialism.

            Look at the press concerning Hillary.
            Look at the press concerning Benghazi.
            Look at the press concerning IRS.

            the press is corrupt and something needs to be done about it.

            http://www.madashellboycott.com is what we are doing about it.

          • You have to break a few eggs to build a Socialist Utopia. Hell what could go wrong!

          • So far the utopia has only been achieved for the elite. And that will always be the case. Despite the millions of eggs broken.

        • There wouldn’t be poverty if they would get of their Ass’s and work! and if you have to move to find work that’s what’s so great about this country, YOU CAN MOVE!

          • James,
            Move is what most responsible people would do.

          • Exactly Jerry! I’ve had to move when I wasn’t happy where I worked! I moved on!

          • James,
            Idaho is now growing again and does have jobs that pay well above minimum wage. Out of a population of 1.5 million, only 90,000 are black, half what the Spanish population is. The black population has doubled in the last 30 years but is still less than 1%. There are no slums in most urban areas. Only where the Hispanic populations are higher are there any obviously lower class neighborhoods, most of which are migrant labor camps for agricultural workers. Blacks here are working at much better and higher paying jobs. The migrant far workers are eh basic poor folks here.

        • I agree, there are quite a few individuals who stir up the hornet’s nest and fan the flames just because they like to see the trouble it causes. They don’t have anything else to holler about, so they holler about the flag. Concessions, it’s all about concessions.

          • donemyhomework,
            Our government is supposed to be about concessions between parties. But it no longer functions that way. All concessions should have limits beyond which one will not go.
            We have way too many race baiters involved. They need to go as they are beyond my ability to make concessions.

      • If Al Sharptounge and Jessie Jackass did not profit from racism they would have to get real jobs.

    • Holder is a retired lawyer now fool. for over a month.

      try to keep up with current events.
      It makes all cons look ignorant.

      I wonder why it was a list of CONSERVATIVES that wanted the flag to come down?

      is Lindsey Graham a liberal now?
      Romney?
      the South Carolina Senate and House?
      (GOP controlled for the low info con)

      I wonder why the cons only points fingers at liberals?

      could it be HYPOCRISY on the right yet again?

      • Maybe because liberals continue to make ignorant remarks. Holder’s current status has nothing to do with his bigoted, racist views. As to why your list of “conservatives” wanted the flag down, it has to do with political expediency, as with all politicians regardless of party affiliations..

        • stop the lieberals

          Right on!

        • “Maybe because liberals continue to make ignorant remarks”

          oh, so this is your first day on a right wing blog.

          I go into shock when a con makes a rational point.

          doubtful that will happen with you Brenda. I have read your posts.

          • disqus_C6fGXmCFNc

            rc when you make remarks they are so stupid demonrats have no brains they are all brand dead like you!!

          • was that a con trying to rebut the liberal that smacks down the cons post after post?

          • Your comments make it even crearer why the democrats are no longer in power in Congress.

          • That was me trying to let you know that you shouldn’t post if you don’t know how to write properly. It is better for people to think you are an idiot than it is to write and show them that you really are.

          • Gee thanks.
            But i am fine.
            not like I am surrounded by any rocket scientists.

            you guys mostly old cons who don’t listen to anything but right Wing Propaganda and are therefore very shy on actual FACTS.

            aren’t you the con misrepresenting Muslims?

          • Ahhhhh, there is that “Natural superiority” again. It’s just soooooooo…. enlightened.
            You, who calls light dark and dark light.
            Again is what you say true just because You say it? You offer no substance of anything you say; so what else could it be?
            Behold our Natural Superior! Let us worship and wonder… ooooOOOOOoooooo!
            Uncle Marx is proud of you

          • I suppose these guys were Southern Baptists in your world?

          • I wasn’t always a conservative. I used to be on your side of the fence until I woke up to what my party was doing to my country.
            As for the Muslims, I know what I am talking about, from personal experience and from their own marching orders to 2020. I am by no means a Qur’an scholar because I have only read it through twice and studied it verse by verse, subject by subject since January 2006, when I was found not guilty of a hate crime charged by them. After that, with a little help from my friends, I shut them up in Lancaster, Palmdale, Quartz Hill, Littlerock, Pear Blossom, Rosamond and Mohave, California using their own book, The Qur’an. I later retired from the ministry (without pay) and returned to my home state of North Carolina, where I can afford to live on military and social security retirement. Now they are back on the rise in those cities and towns, because, due to lack of knowledge of the Qur’an and being too literarily lazy to read and study it, the population has allowed it. I plan a visit there in October, but I will not have time to do the work. It took me about two years. Hopefully I might generate enough interest to raise up a faction to do it again. As for misrepresenting them, I have only written a very little of what I have learned and used against them over the years, and none of what they did to persecute me before I abandoned the defensive and took the attack position. Believe me I have not misrepresented a fraction of Islam. I know what they have planned for you, me and all the disbelievers (in Allah) if I live that long. Lord willing, I won’t.

          • I lived in Syria, Lebanon, Saudi, with time in Dubai and Egypt.

            (Oil support crew)
            and I mean LIVED, not in a camp in Afghanistan or Iraq which is essentially a US city plopped into another country.

            I had an apartment in Damascus and Beirut.
            Muslim neighbors, hung with them, eat with them.
            they offered me their sons for sex.
            you know normal 3rd world stuff.

            Muslims are NOT who you describe.
            sure there are zealots just like we have zealot Christians who are up in arms over gay marriage, WHICH is strictly a religious intolerant issue much like some Muslims have with things we do in the west.

            ” I know what they have planned for you, me and all the disbelievers”
            you have no clue.
            you are a paranoid delusional old person caught up in hatred.

            Muslims have been around for a long time.
            why are they waiting so long to go on their genocidal rampage?

            You are aware that there are a billion of them in the far east.
            not up to much really in the way of killing of Christians.

            don’t waste your old age worrying about something that is not real.

            PS. retired white dude in Ca.

          • I’m sorry Reality, but you lived there all that time, and you still don’t have a clue. Have you been put on the defense when Sunnis were trying to put you in prison for trying to help their people here in the USA? Have you experienced a Sunni prison chaplain send his worshippers into the chapel to intimidate your preachers while they preached to the inmates? Have you and your family been kept awake for hours by being harassed all hours of the night from phone booths all over southern California, from San Diego to Riverside, to San Bernardino, to Bakersfield, and back to the Los Angeles basin? Have you ever stood against a wall surrounded by 15 Sunni and Shiite leaders because you stood up for your Mayor being brought up for a hate crime because he announced at HIS prayer breakfast that Lancaster is becoming a Christian city? Have you studied the Qur’an for 9 years subject by subject, verse by verse?
            If your friends were your friends, the Qur’an Denies they are Muslim. See Surah 3:28, 73, 118; 4:34, and 100 just to mention a few.
            Forgive me, but you give no information concerning yourself. If you are an in the closet gay, and your friends offered you their sons, the Qur’an considers them, not Muslims, but reprobates, just as the Bible does. Only Islam calls for them to be decapitated while Christianity calls for them to be evangelized, according to the New Testament.
            I can understand your reason for being bitter instead of gay, and I would invite you to come to Christ Jesus for deliverance from that bitter attitude and receive joy instead of bitterness and everlasting life instead of a life of sin and rejection by others. You might read Romans 3:10, 23; 5:8; 6:23; 10:9, 10, and 13. If you need a true friend, you can reach me at gunnyyancey@hotmail.com

          • Fine?
            No ,just the average liberal dem bloodsucker, without merit, worth, value, morals honor or integrity

          • Lol, with what liberal dem bloodsucking leech, your head, certainly not your posts

          • No that sounded like OBama, deep in the arms of megalomania
            I’ll bet that you thingk you won all of the debates

          • I’ve never heard a Liberal even put together a coherent sentence.

            All Liberals ever do is bitch, whine & complain about…well, EVERYTHING.

            I do have to give them credit for spreading Communism throughout America via their lies & propaganda, especially during the past 6+ years.

          • stop the lieberals

            Exactly, everything offends them, they are always looking for the next offensive project.

          • The governor of South Carolina
            decided to remove the Confederate flag from the statehouse grounds because, to
            some, it represents oppression and slavery, even though to others it represents independence and freedom.

            To some native-Americans, the American flag represents oppression, since it was under this flag that they were driven from their homelands and forced to live
            on reservations.

            Also, some Hispanics are offended by the American flag, as are some Japanese Americans who rounded up during WWII.

            Massachusetts, the first state to legalize slavery is represented on the American flag by a star and a stripe.

            Yankee slave ships flew the American flag so as not to be boarded by European navies where slavery had been outlawed.

            The use of the United States
            flag to protect Yankee slave traders caused black historian W.E.B. DuBois to state that between 1860 and 1865 more that twelve hundred slaves were brought to the New World under the protection of the United States flag.

            These slaves were sold in Southern states AND in Northern states.

            So,
            if the confederate flag is being banned because it offends some people, shouldn’t the American flag also be banned because it offends some people, eventhough it represents independence and freedom to others?

            Should everything be banned that happens to offend someone? For example, should meat consumption be banned because meat consumption offends vegetarians?

            Should rap music be banned because it offends someone?

            If everything that offends someone is banned, someone would be offended because no one is offended.

          • stop the lieberals

            Liberals should be banned from having children, growing little liberals and increasing the population of offendees.

          • True happiness is a world without liberals!

          • stop the lieberals

            True happiness would be a world without politicians and bureaucrats altogether but especially without liberal’s “you hurt my feelings”

          • Jesse Jackson is the King of Victims. Who might the King or Queen of Offendees be?

          • stop the lieberals

            The pair in the WH are co-queens. 🙂

          • You are a stupid shit! Everything good in your life was given to you by Liberals. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the GI Bill, depending on where you live, Bonneville Power, Grand Coulee, Hoover Dam, Victory in WW-2,the saving of the automobile industry, saving us from a second great depression. I could go on and on but you’ve probably already stopped reading this.

          • Nope! I read the whole thing. I’m a stupid shit, remember?

          • True and I noticed you didn’t deny a single thing the Liberals have given you. Oh yes, I’m proud that you read the whole thing, big words and all?

          • Since you obviously weren’t being facetious, as I once thought you were, and started out your response with name calling, much like a childish bully on a playground, I’ll answer you this one time, then will say no more, as he who would banter words with a liberal would have only bested a fool! You can have the last word, if you want it? No, I didn’t deny a single thing you said, and I only tongue in cheek agreed that I was a “stupid shit” as you put it, and to nothing else you said! As for liberals “giving” you, me, or anybody, anything – you are dead wrong! We are paying for everything you mentioned as they “gave” us nothing but the bills for these rapidly failing socialistic programs! Interesting that you failed to mention that small detail? Oh yes, couldn’t you come up with even one successful current program, and had to rely on programs started two or three generations ago, and which are now known to be failing by any responsible analyst. As for the dams you mentioned, they were items of necessity and would have been built eventually under any administration, besides, they are not social programs, and as construction projects, do not fall within the parameters of this discussion. “the saving of the automobile industry” – tell that to Detroit! “saving us from a second great depression” – hell, liberals are leading us into a 2nd great depression! “Victory in WWII”? How is that a liberal accomplishment? The whole country worked at that result, and don’t forget the whole rest of the list of our allies. They might take umbrage with your statement, and be somewhat surprised to learn that U.S. liberals won the war? As for your statement “Everything good in your life was given to you by Liberals”, you are so far off the mark, it’s laughable! You haven’t got a clue as to what good things I have experienced in my life, but I’ll guarantee you that most of them have been results of the fruit of hard work and personal effort, and not the result of liberal socialistic programs! Yes, I’ll accept those monthly social security benefit checks, because I paid for them, and the money is actually mine to begin with, but I don’t need them, I assure you! As for Medicare and Medicaid, aren’t they shining examples of mismanagement? But mismanaged programs are what liberal socialistic programs always beget! Small details like how to manage these grandiose schemes seem never to be considered. Oh yes, you didn’t include Obamacare in your list of liberal accomplishments? Why not? Isn’t that the current liberal flagship accomplishment? Perhaps that’s because the majority of the provisions of Obamacare are failures right from the onset? No – liberal programs only produce good results, right, genius? BTW – this “stupid shit” will match his educational background and lifelong accomplishments against yours as well as those of any of your friends, if you have any friends?

          • Are you sure Donald Trump didn’t write your response? We all know everything he has or does is the very best and everything he doesn’t agree with is a total failure. As for matching education and accomplishments I learned a long time ago not to make any personal claims on a website such as this. One guy claimed to have an IQ of 165, 5 points above Einstein’s. The poor guy could barely spell IQ! I could say I have a Doctorate in Financial Management and there’s no way you could disprove it. I’ll make things a bit easier for you, I don’t have such a degree.
            Your condemnation of Liberal programs is telling. You are one of two things. You are a Republican because you are very wealthy or you’re a member of the great unwashed who believes Republican is good and Democrat is bad simply because your parents were Republican and indoctrinated you. Or maybe you’re a racist and Republicanism is the only place you feel comfortable. The way the Republican Party is disintegrating I doubt if it will exist in 2065.

            I should not have called you a stupid shit but I had a flash of anger when I read this smarmy response: “True happiness is a world without liberals!” and this one that preceded yours: “Liberals should be banned from having children, growing little liberals and increasing the population of offendees.”

            I try to avoid name calling. In the first place, from my standpoint, the worst thing a person can be called is “Republican”. How could one improve on an insult like that!

          • That would be so ideal and uneventful we might pay someone to now and then stir up some nonsense controversy. Ha.

          • How nice.
            So, should we have a One Party Nation too? You know, a Nation of CONSERVATIVES only?

          • stop the lieberals

            I’d go with a party of non liberals.
            A party that doesn’t create problems to have to create solutions to problems that shouldn’t be problems at all.

          • We could do much worse than having a one party system, if that one party was comprised of “Constitutional” Conservatives!
            In fact, what we have now is a multi party system which is basically a two party system, that has become so immensely corrupted, to the point where there isn’t 2 cents difference from one party to the next!
            Is living by the Constitution such a foreign concept that anyone should fight the idea?

          • Figures. That’s called fascism, pal.

          • I second, third and fourth your idea stop the liberals.

          • I love your logic pineapple. Thank you. Liberalism is a mental disorder of people with low self esteem who run to the courts (like to Mama) to cry and complain until Mama gives in and lets them have what they want–at the expense of the rest of the national family.

          • I’d go for banning “Rap Music”.

          • It’s a personality disorder. They have low self-esteem. They invent things to complain about hoping to find a sympathizer to go along with their spoiled brat agenda. Demoncrap politicians jump onto the bandwagon and use this as a slick way to get votes to stay in office. They promise “remedies” which are often things considered inappropriate by the general population. So we wind up with new laws about who marries who and who has to compromise their faith to accommodate activities they believe are repugnant to their faith. Don’t be surprised if we eventually get some crackpot laws requiring that to keep everything “even” one cannot get married to someone of her/his one race. Then maybe a law that requires everyone to be married by lot meaning that one’s name is placed in a chamber that “shuffles” the names and your name falls out a tube beside another chamber with other names and your name is matched by random selection to another person you likely do not know nor want to have any kind of dealings with. This is how liberals think and how they might eventually “level” the marital field. Stupid? YES! But not worse than some of the idiotic crap going on presently.

          • stop the lieberals

            Great post, I concur whole heartedly.

          • a moron posts vomit.

            that’s a coherent sentence I am sure you understand

          • Reality Check,. You should know. Now clean it up please.

          • So that’s why you vomit liberal socialist lies?

          • I only post facts, usually with a link.
            YOU?
            ever lived in the middle east?
            and NOT as a war monger?

          • Who’s facts? Your facts? The facts that someone “good” with words TOLD you that you “Know”?
            As our “Natural Superior” – all knowing and sech – you should know some of us are going to need references when you state facts. We’re just obnoxious that way.
            It’s so tough at the top, isn’t it?

          • Have you? Are you? You certainly seem to be stirring up a war with your fellow American patriots. No I’ve not been to the middle east. I retired from the Marine Corps in 1974. But I can pretty much feel certain that I have spent far more time in enemy territories than you have, and that before you were born. The middle east isn’t that much different from Vietnam concerning the enemy.
            You must know that the Qur’an requires every Muslim to participate in jihad, or he is not considered to be a Muslin by the Qur’an. The Qur’an forbids that Muslims become friends with disbelievers (that’s you and me, if you are not Muslim) except as a means of deception.
            I was never a war monger, nor am I a coward. I will not willingly allow anyone or any nation to come into and trample out my children’s liberties. I swore that oath as a Marine and I honor that oath ”til death removes me from it. I willingly fought in Vietnam because Christians were under attack for their faith by the Communists (and I didn’t even know what a Christian was at that time). I was still raising hell instead of heaven.
            Please, do not think that you are posting facts when you deny things, as when I have seen them with my own eyes. I never intend to be blindsided again by politicians or anyone else. Just between you and me, I am about to change parties again for just that safety measure. You see, my party is joining the liberal ranks. I am just biding my time to see which side of the fence they are going to fall on.

          • Aubrey the RINOS are already jumping off onto the enemy side. They wear a yellow stripe down their backs.

          • Some are jumping, but others are trying to oust all the conservatives. I have a personal friend who was a county chairman of the local GOP. The RINOS ousted him, and others have followed.

          • So you admit being there with them and not put there by the Dept. of Defense. Hmmm. No wonder you’re anti-America. Thanks for the confession. We’ll take that under consideration with all your posts.

          • Is Ron aware that they drill for oil in the middle east?
            Is Ron aware that US oil companies drill for oil in the middle east?

          • terryhoaglland123@aol.com

            IQ 30!

          • At best!!

          • Yes, you are a moron posting vomit, Communist vomit. GTH & take your Communist Democrat Comrades with you, especially the Gay guy in the WH that embarrassed our entire country by lighting up OUR WH like some perverted Gay Bar.

          • it was only embarrassing to the old farts that still live in America.

            the rest of the world was very happy that we finally came out of the dark ages.

            every time you old farts throw around the word Communism, you set the conservative movement back a decade.

            look up the word moron, find some reality.

          • Hilarious, sure thing liberal dem boodsucking garbage, sure thing, the rest of the world is whining because we provide a place where the decent people can come to and get away from the nanny staters.
            My suggestion for you, go to Greece as soon as they go bankrupt and start starving maybe you will catch some loathsome disease and die, we can hope.
            Till then we will continue to paln toforce national partition and separate ourselves from you tick
            You liberal parasites are the only known parasites that feed on their own species.

          • Run along over to MSNBC, liberal garbage, your shift of whining and begging for handouts and trying to raaise taxes on some one else to pay for them, starts in 10 minutes, you know they dock you three days of food stamps if you are late.

          • you wish

          • That it liberal parasite?
            That is your best retort?
            July is national , “get the mud out of the gene pool”, month, help us out, kill your self.
            if done expeditiously, you can probably get it done before your children find out that they are related to you, no point in hanging that burden on their shoulders, for life

          • “a moron posts vomit.” – RC

            Is this your autobiography, RC? Is this perhaps a lucid moment for you?

            Quick – dive back into Communist Manifesto! Reality is frightening….

          • was that a con trying to be intelligent?

          • He didn’t pinpoint you, did he. I sure hope not.

          • Is that the best you can do?

          • And you are the moron who continually posts vomit here. You are full of it–already processed for the anus. THAT we all know.

          • They can’t make a coherent statement. It is above their mentality to do so.

          • You said it, American. Maybe it is best for Reality (without a) Check to continue to show all how ignorant the Democrat Socialists really are.

          • He’s (It) has been doing it all along on this, and maybe other sites.

          • Don’t forget about being on public forums, tryigt to raise taxes on everyone else to pay for their handouts

          • And now that the dope smoking Gay dude in OUR WH is making nice with Communist Cuba, you just know he’s going to be sending $Billions of our Tax Dollars to Cuba in his continued Communist effort to bankrupt America.

          • Thanks to the low informed legalized thieves who voted him into office.
            They are the low lifes who live off the other half who work for a living.

          • Handouts that aren’t meant so much for constituency betterment as they are for buying votes for political gain and/or to maintain their power base,

          • The part, that amazes me, is that the liberal garbage, still think, that, this is about politics, they don’t even see it coming

          • poor child….!

          • Oh look, it is Miyako, the result of an incestuous one night stand between a liberal dem boodsuckersand a giant river kleech

          • Reality check, you have yet to make one yourself.

          • well I am not the one claiming that Obama and the gang incite racism, Brenda IS.

            as for rational points, that would be subjective, now wouldn’t it.

          • Obama & his Communist Democrat Party (all backed by the Nazi lover Soros) do incite Racist divide.

          • Reality, you started where he was leaving off. I didn’t see a handful of people protesting peacefully, unless he was referring to the looters. Where was I when the police used excessive force? I didn’t even leave the TV to get a drink of water.

          • Well maybe if it bothers you so much that Brenda would say such a thing, you should present proof that she is wrong. I notice you have no problem making equally disparaging comments about “cons” as you call them with no more proof than she offers…
            Isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black?

          • no.

            alright Darrel, here are the pres comments about Ferguson on the first day.
            please point out the racism and or race baiting

            “So, let me close just saying a few words about the tensions there. We
            have all seen images of protesters and law enforcement in the streets.
            It’s clear that the vast majority of people are peacefully protesting.
            What’s also clear is that a small minority of individuals are not.

            While
            I understand the passions and the anger that arise over the death of
            Michael Brown, giving into that anger by looting or carrying guns, and
            even attacking the police only serves to raise tensions and stir chaos.
            It undermines rather than advancing justice.

            Let me also be clear
            that our constitutional rights to speak freely, to assemble, and to
            report in the press must be vigilantly safeguarded: especially in
            moments like these. There’s no excuse for excessive force by police or
            any action that denies people the right to protest peacefully.”

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/running-transcript-obamas-remarks-on-ferguson-mo-and-iraq/2014/08/18/ed29d07a-2713-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

            I await your links of Obama racism

          • I sure hope you are holding your breath…
            So, you posted Obie’s comments… so what? Obama quotes prove nothing because Obama is a liar. He has lied to us so many times about so many things why should I believe anything he says?

            The truth of Obama’s racism is encapsulated in what he does more than what he says. And like Hitler, his doing is carried out by his lackeys rather than personal involvement. These actions are more along the lines of promoting racial division. A “good” crisis always offers opportunity to make big changes to a society. And he has promised to
            fundamentally Change America…
            Who does he hang with? Ben Carson, Allen West, or even Clarence Thomas? Did any of those visit the White House 61 times in the last 6.5 years? I don’t think so. They are not race baiters but real Americans who love this Country for the good things it has stood for!

            So. I’m not posting any links. (You may exhale). Who among us would ever expect to find anything Obama said that was blatantly racist? I am not the one debating Brenda that Obama isn’t a racist. You are. The burden of proof is to you… I’ve only called you to substantiate YOUR claims. Since you have chosen to quote a liar the conclusion is that you’ve proven nothing.

          • The only thing that you can trust the Washington Post to do is hide anything that would place liberalism in a bad light and to elaborate on anything that would place conservatives in a bad light,

          • That’s because you do not understand rational conversation when you read it. Oh, I forgot, you do not understand English enough to read OR write it correctly.

          • Listen to RC, Brenda…
            Upon the demonstration of this unquestionable wisdom (as bestowed by uncle Marx and cousin Alinski – they told RC all that RC knows) RC is your “natural superior” and knows beyond comprehension that you are wrong, wrrrong, wrrrrrooooong….
            (hysterical lol…)
            Let us all wonder after the Beast and say “who is like unto RC?” – Arrayed in his/her Scarlet and Purple?

          • Most “Con”victs are liberals.

          • liberal s are people that fear that if they have to defend this country with there life they would run and hide where no one would find them like the cowards that went to another country because it for someone else job to keep them free

          • Got to tell you Joe,
            this is way off topic and stupid.

            does the low info human think there are no liberals in the military?
            does the low info human think there are no liberals who own guns?

            I guess that’s what makes you low info

        • not sure where ‘reality check’ is coming from. Maybe they need to do a Reality Check’.

          • stop the lieberals

            He’d have to move into the “real world” to understand the definition of “reality check”
            These libs live in an alternate reality.

          • Most libs live in an alternate world called “Mom’s House”.

          • Clay Fitzgerald

            Yeah, they sleep in the basement.

          • What can you expect from an EBTbagger?

          • stop the lieberals

            They live in their mommy’s house and on the govt dole.
            It’s no wonder they can’t acknowledge that anything their political office brethren do is wrong. They don’t want to upset the apple cart and have their tax payer financed living expenses taken away.

          • Yes. In the basement, in their underpants, chain smoking by a computer most of their waking hours.

          • Is that what yo’re doing? Lol. jk

          • They live in a “Yellow Submarine.” That’s reality to them.

          • Most of them posting their Liberal propaganda aren’t old enough to remember “Yellow Submarine”.

          • stop the lieberals

            They’re making it so we all live in a yellow submarine and have to wear tinted glasses to turn everything around us rosy and pink and pleasant to the eye.

          • Progressives-Are-Evil

            F U N D A M E N T A L – T R A N S F O R M A T I O N

          • stop the lieberals

            We tax payers are the ones that Fund a Mental Transformation

          • “Reality Check” wouldn’t know reality from shine-ola.

        • still waiting for Brenda to post a racist remark by Holder or any other BIG 4 “racists” you post so frequently about.

          • STHt is all Sharpton does. He incites riots and protests due to his diatribe on racism, whne he is one of the worst ones. Jackson hafs always been a racist and that is proven. Obama made his racism public at a press conference.

          • Nope he just helped bury the money that got Marc Rich pardoned, approved the sale of weapons to foreign nations who were known drug&alien smugglers/killers which managed to get US law enforcement officials killed, failed to prosecute black individuals who blocked the path of white individuals to voting venues, most of the Civil Rights Division of the JOD quit under his “LEADERSHIP”, has actively tried to prosecute white police officers and others who shot black criminals and never found any wrong doing…..and you think he is not a racist or a criminal, my only hopeis he ends up in your back yard looking at you and yours in his normally destructive manner which will take your compuer away with your inane remarks.

            By the way the Civil War was fought over the same thing that is going on right now….Northeast, Westcoast, and big city elitist liberals who do not pay the taxes benefiting from those of us that do; in those days the northeast paid 20% of the Federal tab and the South paid 80% and they were getting tired of being ruled and taxed by the few and paying the bill, and a lot of folks up north owned slaves as well. And while your at it you might want to dig up every grave at Arlington National Cemetary since it was owened by none other than Robert E. Lee; god forbid they should be buried in confederate soil, especially the Black guys.

          • ,Abraham Lincoln was a racist who was also guilty of
            war crimes and is responsible for the deaths of 600,000 Americans.

            In 1858, during a debate with Stephen Douglas, Abraham Lincoln said: “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor
            of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry
            with white people….” (Google Lincoln-Douglas debates.)

            It is commonly taught that the War Between the States was about the abolition of slavery. Actually, the impetus for the war was due to a tariff placed on imported goods coming through Southern sea ports by a Northern dominated Congress. This tariff was referred to by Southerners as the Tariff of Abominations and nearly caused South Carolina to secede from the Union. Andrew Jackson threatened to send federal troops to Charleston if South Carolina refused to collect the tariff and send it to Washington.
            (See “Kearney’s
            March” by Winston Groom.)

            This tariff was used to build roads and bridges in the northern states while the south was left to fend for
            itself.

            Senator William Grayson of Virginia expressed concern that the South would eventually become the “milch cow” of the Union.

            When the southern states threatened secession, Lincoln
            was asked why he didn’t just let the South go. He said: ”Let the South go? Let the South go! Where then shall we get our revenues?”(See “Memoirs of Service
            Afloat” by Raphael Semmes.)

            Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation excluded slave states
            that remained in the Union and certain parishes in Louisiana that were under control of Union
            troops. It only applied to states in the Confederacy, which was a sovereign nation, over which Lincoln
            had no legal authority.

            Therefore, his proclamation did not free slaves anywhere.

            Slaves were eventually freed
            by passage of the Thirteenth Amendment on December 6th, 1865.

            Some of the many atrocities committed by Lincoln’s
            Union Army are as follows:

            1.
            Lincoln ordered General Sherman to “make Georgia howl.” So Sherman
            marched through Georgia
            burning not only towns, villages, factories and grist mills, but also burning
            crops, leaving women, children, and the elderly to starve. Sherman captured more than two thousand white
            women and children who were sent to the North to work at sustenance level pay,
            making them virtual slaves for the Yankees. They were never returned to their
            families.

            2.
            Union Colonel
            John B. Turchin was court-martialed for letting his troops “plunder and pillage
            the inhabitants” of Athens,
            Alabama, and allowing several of
            his soldiers to commit rape on the person of a colored girl. After being
            convicted, Turchhin was promoted to the rank of Brigadier General by Abraham
            Lincoln and continued to serve in the Union Army until Oct 4, 1864.

            3.
            In Marion County
            Missouri, Gen. John McNeil threw southern sympathizers in jail for expressing a
            pro-Southern point of view. When a Union informer came up missing, McNeil
            threatened to kill ten of these men if the informer did not show up. When the
            informer didn’t show up, these men were summarily executed. Shortly afterwards,
            McNeil was promoted to Brigadier General by Lincoln.

            4.
            In 1862, several tribes of Native Americans
            revolted against the cruel policies of the United States government. This
            caused Minnesotans to fear for their safety. General John Pope rounded up 300
            warriors, out of which Lincoln
            selected thirty nine to be executed. These Native Americans were executed to
            assuage the fears of white Minnesotans so they would vote for the re-election
            of Lincoln,
            which they did. (For details of the above and other atrocities, see, “The South
            was Right” by James and Walter Kennedy.)

            By invading The Confederate States of America, a
            sovereign nation, Lincoln caused the death of over 600,000 Americans, not to end slavery but to hold on to
            power.

          • Your post according to history, is correct. The South mainly wanted to be left alone. (The World Book Encyclopedia).

          • Your head has been in the sand to long. Lack of oxygen has completely destroyed your brain’s capability to reason.

          • Clay Fitzgerald

            Libs reasoning ability is inhibited by the fact that the grey matter in their cranium is nothing but oatmeal mush.

          • I thought it was rainbow matter?

          • Liberal scum, you don’t really think that anyone is goin gto paly that game with you, do you.
            Soon, we will force national patition, after that you liberal parasites can sit around and tell each other lie, we will sit close on our side of the border and watch you scum starve.

          • Holder’s and Barry Soetoro’s presence in Ferguson is itself a statement of racism. They did not show up after the illegal alien murdered a white girl. That’s a racist statement. The mere presence or absence of an elected official is a statement.

          • No one is going to play your stupid liberal dem bloodsucking stupid games we have all watched the inept lying outlaw in the white house for 6 years and you liberal garbage for 50 years

        • Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, they are all a bunch of crap and Capital hill and all the State capitals should be rid of the whole bunch. ENTIRELY !!!!!!

        • So Brenda, since you seem to be unwilling to provide any PROOF, I am giving you Obama’s FIRST speech after Ferguson so YOU can pic out the racist remarks and prove you are not a lying POS.

          “So, let me close just saying a few words about the tensions there. We
          have all seen images of protesters and law enforcement in the streets.
          It’s clear that the vast majority of people are peacefully protesting.
          What’s also clear is that a small minority of individuals are not.

          While
          I understand the passions and the anger that arise over the death of
          Michael Brown, giving into that anger by looting or carrying guns, and
          even attacking the police only serves to raise tensions and stir chaos.
          It undermines rather than advancing justice.

          Let me also be clear
          that our constitutional rights to speak freely, to assemble, and to
          report in the press must be vigilantly safeguarded: especially in
          moments like these. There’s no excuse for excessive force by police or
          any action that denies people the right to protest peacefully.”

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/running-transcript-obamas-remarks-on-ferguson-mo-and-iraq/2014/08/18/ed29d07a-2713-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

          now pick out the racist remarks Brenda?

          • It was “in your face”, stupid!

            “It’s clear that the vast majority of people are peacefully protesting.
            What’s also clear is that a small minority of individuals are not.”

            In Ferguson the vast majority were a bunch of thugs, rioting, burning looting & were violent. Did you miss all the TV coverage?

            That just proves Obama is a RACIST & A LIAR! AGAIN!

          • if that is your example of Obama spreading racism, there is no hope for you cons.
            So if he opens his mouth, he’s inciting racism.

        • Brenda… don’t bother trying to explain anything to liberal nuts like reality check, they will not accept anything you have to say..they are so wrapped in their stupidity they don’t hear what logical thinkers say to them..

      • stop the lieberals

        “Is Lindsay Graham a liberal”?
        “Romney”?
        Yes and yes

        • not in the real world fool.

          silly thinking like this is WHY the cons are a fading group of humans.

          • stop the lieberals

            You may want to try “conservative review” and see where your “conservatives” actually rank.”
            I live in the real world but you are a “real world fool”
            One can always depend on a fool like you to throw out the first insult in what should be a peaceful discussion.
            As a liberal yourself you should be able to recognize a liberal politician when you see one.

          • the con wants me to check a right wing wacko website to determine the extent of conservatives?

            I knew you were a fool, but it seems that brain dead is more fitting.

            If they have a R behind their name or vote GOP they are a con.
            there is nothing liberal about them or they would caucus with different party.
            you know what “caucus” means, right con?

            whether they are WACKY ENOUGH for you wackadoodle cons, I really don’t care.

          • Why don’t you go spread your Communism on Huffington Post with the rest of the Communist Democrats?

          • stop the lieberals

            Isn’t “caucus” something you and your boyfriend ask for when the two of you go to a gay bar?

          • Do you not know what a RINO is? Or are you trying to hide the fact that you know liberals have infiltrated the conservative ranks? There you are, with your oxygen-deprived head still in the sand.

          • Wait liberal dem bloodsuking scum, soon, it’s likely that you will get to go face to face

          • You accused us of not getting your side, but you are not willing to look at ours? There is a multitude of wisdom in viewing all sides. How can you speak out against something about which you are not well-informed? That just might be the reason you are the minority on this web.

          • I am a minority on this site because it’s a site for bat poo crazy cons to come and preach to the choir.
            lets get that straight.

            I fully understand your side. I look this stuff up day after day.
            that is why I win the debate, I look thing up.

            cons parrot what Fox, Rush and Beck say.
            AND THEY LIE.

            debating cons is like shooting fish in a barrel.

            what would you like to discuss about YOUR SIDE?
            I KNOW THE ENEMY very well.

          • That’s all liberfals inow – insults, rudeness because they have no valid point to make.

          • stop the lieberals

            I agree.
            Great band for your name BTW

          • And where is that occurring?

          • It isn’t the cons that are fading, it is your brain, You idiot!

          • Lol liberal dem bloodsucker Haley and all of the punks that voted with her will pay the price.
            Cons are fading group, sorry you are not entitlred an opinion ersatz life forms are prohibited.

          • such the intellect.

            and some wonder why I never loose an argument of fact.

          • When did you ever win one? I sure haven’t seen it. You know, and this is not to put you down, I’m really beginning to feel sorry for you. This will probably upset you, but I am going to pray for you right now.

          • Haven’t checked your statistics lately, have you? Body for body the Nation is conservative. State for state, because of inner cities, our Nation is liberal. But the Republicans still won the last election, hands down. Let’s hear you dumb explanation for that. No, let me explain it. The man on the street is wising up and kicking the Socialist Communist Democrat Party OUT! There’s your “fading group”, fading Reality mind.

          • so much for your knowledge base.
            “Senate Democrats got 20 million more votes than Senate Republicans”

            tell me Aubrey, does that sound like the GOP winning hands down?
            sounds more like gerrymandering. do I need to explain THAT term to you ?

            what was voter turn out in 14?

            ya, go pretend the GOP won because of policy instead of gerrymandering and low voter turn out.
            we have a presidential coming up and the Dems are coming out in force.

            Here is a headline you will love.

            “Social Liberalism On The Rise”

            and from a right wing wacky source as well.

            http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/22/gallup-social-liberalism-on-the-rise/

          • Is the way they lost the House and the Senate, and are HOPEFULLY on the way to losing the White House?

          • Oh yeah… the reeeeeal world, according to our “natural superior” RC, Let us wonder after the beast. Who is like unto the Beast and the Harlot arrayed in her fine Scarlet (of superior knowledge) and Purple (that makes her our Natural Superior – Royalty!) and never question the guarantee he/she offers that they are FACTS!

        • Lindsey moved to the dark side (Communist Democrat) in 2013 when he became one of the Gang of 8, supporting Illegal Invaders instead of American Citizens. He needs to just change parties.

          Gov. Haley needs to go ahead & change parties, too.

      • What the hell are you talking about Mentally ill people should not be aloud to post.

      • You have that right and we are marking them as RINO’s, to be ignored for any further political careers.

      • i saw it explained on an AOL post & I copied it:

        Let me see if I can explain it to all you Communist Democrats.

        Let’s say you live in Massachusetts & you love the New England Patriots’ football team. A bunch of English-Americans decide the “Patriots” is offensive because a lot of their ancestors we killed in the Revolutionary War & forced their homeland of England to give up its 13 colonies.

        So they, along with a bunch of paid Southern outside agitators, decide to come to Mass & protest and demand that the Pats change their name & that Mass remove all their revolutionary statues & American flags from the cemeteries because the English-Americans see hatred, revolution against their Queen & King and the slaughter of British soldiers.

        Now you probably never thought of the New England Patriots football team as a symbol of revolt against the Queen & King, a Revolutionary WAR, hate, secession & dead British soldiers.

        In S.C. we don’t see the Confederate flag that way either. We don’t see hate, slavery or racism. It’s just a symbol of the deep South. The Civil War ended 150 years ago. It is the Democrats who are still fighting it, not the Southerners. Just like the people of Massachusetts aren’t fighting the Revolutionary War.

        But in typical Communist fashion, a select group, is offended, and if they are offended they want to get rid of everything that offends them. Kind of like Hitler burning books to rid Germany of everything Jewish.

        • stop the lieberals

          Very good analogy. I hadn’t thought of that but thanks for posting it.

        • “In S.C. we don’t see the Confederate flag that way either. We don’t
          see hate, slavery or racism. It’s just a symbol of the deep South.”

          says the WHITE GUY.

          • At least I’m not a damn Communist Democrat like you. You & your Soros funded Communist instigators & agitators are the ones who are always trying to stir up trouble. I really felt badly for the 9 blacks as did the great majority of South Carolinians.

            After the the Communists invaded & tried to blame the Rebel flag for that POS shooter I have no sympathy for anyone associated with you Commies.

            I hope all of you Communist Democrats burn in Hell with Obama & I don’t care what your skin color is & have never cared. Communists are the blight on America.

          • Okay , not to worry liberal garbage, soon you can take all of the black peopel that want to go into your half, we have already decided that we can’t coexist with you scum

          • have you.
            AND where are the cons going to live free from blacks and liberals?

          • Reality, I have seen more racial hate in the news and in person in the north and the west coast in the last ten years than I have ever seen in the South, and I was born here, in North Carolina 78 years ago.

          • Where are all the riots occurring? Baltimore, Ferguson, and other Northern cities, but not in Charleston, a Southern city.

          • Yeah, its kind of an oxymoron.

          • I think the hate and racism that blacks experience is something we first world white people can never feel or understand.
            the same goes for some symbols.

            SO I think white people telling black people how black people should feel, is silly.

          • You my not realize it, but blacks fought in the Confederate Army, and they were paid the same wages as their white counterparts. Blacks also fought in the Union army and were paid HALF the wages of their white counterparts.

            How’s that for hypocrisy?

      • stop the lieberals

        “Holder is a retired lawyer now fool”
        Slight correction, Holder has always been a fool, not just now.

      • Could it be stupidity, ignorance and petty politics ” fool ” ?????? Could it be that the libtard demoRATS and the traitorous gutless rinos care more about votes and what gets put in their pockets than they care about this country. fool !! I believe the rino graham is now a libtard and romney has nothing to say about anything — he just needs to shut up. You people who tthink that flag had anything to do with racism are as ignorant as the day is 24 hours long. Just a bunch of whining, crying POS.

        • so if the US capital had the NAZI and Japanese flag flying over it, cons would be cool with that?

          why was it not put up after the civil war?
          Why only when segregation was about to happen?
          It’s NOT even the confederate flag.

          so tell me con, WHAT DOES THE FLAG REPRESENT?

          • If you think that National Socialists (NAZIs) or Empire of Japan war atrocities will be prevented by removal of their flags, then by all means believe whatever you want, including the tooth fairy if it pleases you. But as I am sure you have heard: “Those who don’t learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.” Yet you think simply removing anything that reminds YOU, won’t impede learning? It sounds like your grasp of reality is oil-soaked. The flag, whether US or SC, is symbolic of the highest aspirations of the people it represents DEFINED BY THEM – not you. Your characterization of that flag might mean pride, heritage, unity, and respect to many South Caroliners; while you can only see hatred, prejudice, misunderstanding, and racism – Something I’m guessing you are proud to proclaim in conservatives, while not realizing it speaks volumes about YOUR character

          • tell me con, if the guy who carried the flag, General Lee, wanted it PUT AWAY the day he lost the war, wouldn’t THAT be the most significant?
            if the GUY with the MOST vested interest in the flag knew it should no longer be flown, why are you cons second guessing him?

            He even made it known that he was NOT to be buried in a confederate uniform and the NO ONE was to be allowed to attend in a confederate uniform.

            now jive that info with your flag on the state capital and get back to me.

          • See my post above.

          • History you incredibly stupid a-hole

          • It represents freedom from tyranny, just as the American flag did when the founding fathers overthrew the tyrant King George.

            , Lincoln was a racist who was also guilty of
            war crimes and is responsible for the deaths of 600,000 Americans.

            In 1858, during a debate with
            Stephen Douglas, Abraham Lincoln said: “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor
            of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and
            black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or
            jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry
            with white people….” (Google Lincoln-Douglas debates.)

            It is commonly taught that
            the War Between the States was about the abolition of slavery. Actually, the
            impetus for the war was due to a tariff placed on imported goods coming through
            Southern sea ports by a Northern dominated Congress. This tariff was referred
            to by Southerners as the Tariff of Abominations and nearly caused South Carolina to secede from the Union.
            Andrew Jackson threatened to send
            federal troops to Charleston if South Carolina refused to collect the tariff and send it
            to Washington.
            (See “Kearney’s
            March” by Winston Groom.)

            This tariff was used to build
            roads and bridges in the northern states while the south was left to fend for
            itself.

            Senator William Grayson of Virginia expressed concern that the South would
            eventually become the “milch cow” of the Union.

            When the southern states
            threatened secession, Lincoln
            was asked why he didn’t just let the South go. He said: ”Let the South go? Let
            the South go! Where then shall we get our revenues?”(See “Memoirs of Service
            Afloat” by Raphael Semmes.)

            Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation excluded slave states
            that remained in the Union and certain parishes in Louisiana that were under control of Union
            troops. It only applied to states in the Confederacy, which was a sovereign
            nation, over which Lincoln
            had no legal authority.

            Therefore, his proclamation
            did not free slaves anywhere.

            Slaves were eventually freed
            by passage of the Thirteenth Amendment on December 6th, 1865.

            Some of the many atrocities
            committed by Lincoln’s
            Union Army are as follows:

            1.
            Lincoln ordered General Sherman to “make Georgia howl.” So Sherman
            marched through Georgia
            burning not only towns, villages, factories and grist mills, but also burning
            crops, leaving women, children, and the elderly to starve. Sherman captured more than two thousand white
            women and children who were sent to the North to work at sustenance level pay,
            making them virtual slaves for the Yankees. They were never returned to their
            families.

            2.
            Union Colonel
            John B. Turchin was court-martialed for letting his troops “plunder and pillage
            the inhabitants” of Athens,
            Alabama, and allowing several of
            his soldiers to commit rape on the person of a colored girl. After being
            convicted, Turchhin was promoted to the rank of Brigadier General by Abraham
            Lincoln and continued to serve in the Union Army until Oct 4, 1864.

            3.
            In Marion County
            Missouri, Gen. John McNeil threw southern sympathizers in jail for expressing a
            pro-Southern point of view. When a Union informer came up missing, McNeil
            threatened to kill ten of these men if the informer did not show up. When the
            informer didn’t show up, these men were summarily executed. Shortly afterwards,
            McNeil was promoted to Brigadier General by Lincoln.

            4.
            In 1862, several tribes of Native Americans
            revolted against the cruel policies of the United States government. This
            caused Minnesotans to fear for their safety. General John Pope rounded up 300
            warriors, out of which Lincoln
            selected thirty nine to be executed. These Native Americans were executed to
            assuage the fears of white Minnesotans so they would vote for the re-election
            of Lincoln,
            which they did. (For details of the above and other atrocities, see, “The South
            was Right” by James and Walter Kennedy.)

            By invading The Confederate
            States of America, a
            sovereign nation, Lincoln
            caused the death of 600,000 Americans, not to end slavery but to hold on to
            power.

      • The examples you state are self serving “career politicians” – another form of national embarrasment, and a topic for another day!

      • Conservatives made this country – liberals threaten to tear it down!

        • the FF were liberals fool.

        • That’s never been more apparent than during the past six and one half years. Too bad enough Americans didn’t recognize what “Fundamentally Change” meant. I told my wife the first time that Communist Muslim spoke it, that he was going to destroy the USA and rebuild it into his own Empire.

      • I have a lot that makes me want to cause racism among everyone else. They keep pushing me and others until we break and then a rant is going to come out and then no one wants to be around you. I don’t hate blacks or anyother race but sometimes one or another starts racial rants in hopes of starting something I assume but it does them no good because I just don’t pay attention to them and then it makes things worse. Most of the ones I have seen start fights like 8 against one. Never 1 on 1. They want to make sure they win. Thats just the cowards way out and still get to rant on how bad he beat that guy. I know that it makes them feel much better in knowing they won. Right./

      • The Confederat Battle flag , the Flag of the USA and the flag of the USMC flies in front of my house every day.
        It will continue to do so any liberal scum bag with testicles can come and take it down, I won’t even call the copss, except for them to come get the bodies.
        We have beem way too patient, way too long, with the liberal dem bloodsuckers
        It is time for us to forcce national partition and physcially separate our selves from that scum.
        it ois the only way to revent civl war.
        Haley and all of the legislators that voted for this will pay stiff price.
        Not tp worry liberal dem bloodsucker,. soon you scum will be on your own, you can burn all of the flags

        • “The Confederat Battle flag , the Flag of the USA and the flag of the USMC flies in front of “my house every day.

          well good for you.
          chances are good they will let you keep it there unless you live in a gated community.

          Be nice if you right wing wackos understood what was going on instead of these WILD guesses you make.

          you sound delusional and in need of mental help.

          • First liberal dem bloodsucker, you garbage still think, that this is about politics, don’t you?
            Wild guesses, well, liberal scum, I know for sure, that my homes sits in the middle of 117 acres.
            I know, that, my last duty station in the Marine Corps, was as a marksman ship instructor
            on the weapons range at Quantico, Va.
            I know for sure that I still have the M1 Garand that I used to set the record from the 600 yard line.
            I know for sure, that any of you scum, that, try to take it down, will be lying exactly where I shot you in the fore head when the law gets there.
            I sound delusional???
            Lol a liberal dem bloodsucking leech, thinks that, I sound delusional.
            Leave us alone liberal scum, the place that you garbage are headed, is aplace where all the fun , is gone.

          • You are so filled with Communist propaganda that you don’t even know that you ARE a Communist.

          • did I miss the part where you try and set me straight with the “real” facts?

          • Be careful Reality. People who live in bubbles are subject to sharp instruments from within as well as without.

        • I agree 100%.

        • The governor of South Carolina
          decided to remove the Confederate flag from the statehouse grounds because, to
          some, it represents oppression and slavery, even though to others it represents
          independence and freedom.

          To some native-Americans, the American flag represents oppression, since it was
          under this flag that they were driven from their homelands and forced to live
          on reservations.

          Also, some Hispanics are offended by the American flag because to them it represented
          a country that confiscated lands that used to be under their control, namely
          the Southwestern states.

          Concerning slavery, the first state to legalize slavery is Massachusetts, which is represented on the
          American flag by a star and a stripe.

          Further more, under Lincoln’s emancipation proclamation,
          slavery was allowed to continue in the states that did not secede from the Union and in parishes in Louisiana
          that were under control of Union troops. These states were represented by the American flag.

          His emancipation proclamation applied only to states that had seceded from the Union, over which he had no legal authority, since these states were part of a sovereign nation. Therefore, his emancipation proclamation did not free slaves anywhere.

          The use of the United States
          flag to protect slave traders caused black historian W.E.B. DuBois to state that between 1860 and 1865 more that twelve hundred slaves were brought to the
          New World under the protection of the United States flag.

          So, if the confederate flag is banned,
          shouldn’t the American flag also be banned because it offends some people, even though it represents independence and freedom to others?

          Should everything be banned that happens to offend someone? For example, should meat
          consumption be banned because meat consumption offends vegetarians?

          Should rap music be banned because it offends someone?

          If everything that offends someone is banned, someone would be offended because no one is offended.

      • bECAUSE IT WAS POLITICALLY RIGHT FOR THEM TO DO SO & EACH WILL PAY FOR IT AT THE POLLS INCLUDING THEIR ADULTEROUS GOVERNOR NIKI HALEY.

      • Because they ARE liberals. They are NeoCons. In the 1970s that movement really took off (it started in the ’50s) when a bunch of so called conservative Democrats quit that party and became “republicans”. But they didn’t abandon their progressive thinking and their love of Trotsky Communism. Real Constitutional “conservatives” (we’ve discussed the meaning of conservative and liberal and how hollow those terms really are anyway) do not appreciate one bit the likes of Graham, Romney, McCain, any of the Bushes or anyone else who subscribes to socialist democracy. You are mouth that says a lot of NOTHING. YOU need a reality check!

        • a rude awakening is all you are going to receive silly con.

          Graham is a WACKADOODLE right wing, not even a moderate.

          kind of why you are going to loose the WH AGAIN.

          you best find a new country or loosen up on your dark ages viewpoints

          • Come nd take them liberal scum, it behooves you scum to shut your mouth and leave us alone, not much patience left wing you fing scum

          • To a good little Alinski-vite, everyone to the “right” of you is a wackadoodle. Graham is no “conservative”; Who are you to say? Is it “so” just because you “say”? Is your opinion arrayed in Scarlet and Purple that we should defer to your wisdom? That we should wonder and marvel after you?
            Oh, you who calls the light, dark; and the dark, light. But I would think you would love the Dark Ages. Your “father”, that liar, Karl Marx, lamented the Feudal Estate because it separated man from his “natural superiors”. From whence Communism comes. Do you imagine that you are our natural superior? Is that why you are here…?
            Oh wait, do I hear a little dog barking and yapping, again?

            roflmao….!

      • Perhaps because the liberals continue to make ignorant statements. Hypocrisy on the right? Surely, you jest. Sorry, the hypocrisy seems to be prevalent in the democratic party.

        • Not just prevalent, but a prerequisite to becoming a liberal/socialist/democrat!
          “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers
          or one clever person in a position of power!”

      • To start, you shouldn’t be demeaning people’s intelligence when you do not even know proper English, i.e., cons only POINT fingers, not, “points,” you illiterate Socialist (which all Socialists are, or they wouldn’t be into socialism). Second, have you yet learned to spell any simple four letter words that are not vulgar or derogatary?

      • They Are RINOS . That’s why . GEEEZ . Are you that F*CKIN SLOW ???

      • TO BE REPLACED IN THE NEXT ELECTION / HALEY IS NOW TOAST

      • For your info, the REAL cons as you call us know that most of the Republican Party is now in the tank with the COMMUNIST AGENDA. Read the Comminist Goals again IDIOT. It’s ALL right there. Here I’ll help you. Rule No. 15 – ( Capture one or both political parties in the United States ). Thought I’d help you out since I’m sure you skipped over that part. The Republican Party is now almost just as corrupt as the Democrat-Communist Party. So no, guys like Lindsey Graham and Bush and all the rest of the GUTLESS wonders in the party are USELESS to real freedom loving CONS.

    • The Confederate is only a part of the history of this nation and has nothing to do with racism.

    • Louman, can you give me a clear definition of what act or action exactly and precisely defines “Racism”? Thought not! Please reference the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and the original Bill of Rights adopted by the people who founded this country. Pay special attention to the right of the people to assemble portion. “Racism”, “Racist”, and “Discrimination” are just buzz words used by unethical politicians and community organizers to inflame a particular group of people and nothing else. Every citizen in this country has an absolute right to choose to associate, or to refuse to associate, with any other person or group, which right includes whether to do business with any person or group of people. Stand up for your United States Constitution and demand that your elected representatives do the same. “Use it or lose it” is an appropriate idea here.

    • And, of course, you’re not racist, right?

    • It is ignorant and bigot people like you that the US will never be united as one. It is no doubt that you and many other whites DO NOT have any knowledge of American history. First NO OTHER nation in the WORLD allow the enemy that lost the was to display its flag and its statues of the officer, ONLY IN THE USA. EVERY white supremacy group flies the confederate flag, and even some display the German swastika symbol. There are 19 white hate groups in SC, I wonder how many are in the nearby states. I wonder how many are serving on the police forces and as judges. The confederate flag and the rebel statues belong in the museum, even Robert Lee said that after he conceded defeat. Sadly Whites educators and others are so ashamed of the atrocities against the black slaves and African American citizens, they do not want any mention of it in the public school history books. You white bigot have mention the US Constitution more in the seven years that the Black President of the United States of American got elected, twice. The freedom of speech and your right to own a gun. Many BLACK US Soldiers lost their life and was injured, so azz holes like you can enjoy your freedom here in the USA. Sadly many Black soldiers were lynched here in America IN UNIFORM. Look around you and see who benefit from Racism, WHITES..

      • Nice try but I found most of which you said as bullshit. So open your eyes and see who started all
        the race crap again.

    • Brenda Hargrave

      i so agree..i am shocked someone had the guts to say what they said in that article..

    • So, who has the right to declare that racism is dead and at what cost?
      As long as the racists from the north and middle east can get a microphone, they will never allow the conversation to end. They will demand the American Heritage to be trampled and ‘whites’ pay a tremendous price because they want full control. And truth has nothing to do with the conversation as far as they are concerned.

      • You are so right. Ive been told that blacks cant be racists because they dont have power. Well
        now one of them is Potus and we now have the worst race relations i have ever seen I believe
        they have set us back at least 50 years maybe more.

    • They take our freedom a little at a time. We’re past due for Militia.

      • Thats what that jerk in the white house wants so he can declare martial law.

        • I get the feeling he has things in place and he has the finger on the trigger. But I also get the feeling he has a forced maneuver strategy that might be inescapable. Besides, Americans aren’t organized for militia, most people work for a living and have responsibilities. They wouldn’t go that route unless their families were in danger and then they would only fight on home turf. Family comes first.

          • Yes I believe your right. but i dont think he will be able to carry them out. The military
            sees him as the enemy not the american people.

          • THANK GOD FOR THE MILITARY. And I hate Obama for stepping on them like he has. Same goes for Clinton.

          • The Democrat party are domestic enemies and the Military knows it. All military take an
            oath to protect the country from all enemies foreign and domestic. That is why the democrats treat our military like crap.

    • One of the most crime or the US atrocities that White Americans wish would disappear is the terrorism against Black American citizen, You say the confederate flag does not represent hatred, but yet every white supremacy group display the confederate flag, and many even display the German swastika. Louman, and do you really believe that if Sharpton, President Obama, Holder and Jackson were dead that there would not be any white racism? No where in the WORLD does the enemy that lose the war get to display its flag and statues in public, ONLY IN THE USA. You and many other Whites need to read or google the Civil War. You’ll can continue to keep your head in the sand, about racism in the PAST and PRESENT but it is the truth and part of US history and NOT his-story. The ugly head of white racism rose its head within two hoursafter Obama was sworn in office. The racist team led by McConnell and Boehner and a few others, held a meeting TWO hours after Obama was sworn in office, to make the ELECTED BLACK President a one time president. The GOP even told white Americans that they were not going to do ANYTHING to improve the lives of the middle class, but spend their time BLOCKING every Bill the President send to the House Floor. They tried to DENY healthcare to ALL Americans, sadly they refuse the Infrastructure Job Bill on the House Floor. Many racist White Americans will try to accuse Black Americans of racism, out of shame and guilt.

      • Because people dont agree with his socialist, communist ways does not make them Racists. But since you seem to want to use that crutch forever there really is not much I could say to you. Obama wants to change the greatest Nation on earth well who the hell does he think he is. Many people much smarter then him like it the way it is, and will be very happy when he is gone.Then we will change it back.

  6. Racism dead? Why don’t we talk about black racism or, isn’t it politically correct to do so? I hear a lot of talk about how whites are racists but, no one ever talks about black racists like Obama, Holder, Sharpton and Jackson (to name a few)! If the blacks truly want to end racism, they need to clean their own house before they mess with ours.

    • Don’t leave out Farrakhan and all the BLACK members of the Nation of Islam.

      • Have you noticed that anything the blacks don’t like or want is racist? This “politically correct” bullshit has gone way too far! It’s time for white America to take back our country from the militant black freeloaders and thugs. If the truth be known, the blacks couldn’t care less about the Confederate Flag, they just want to show us (who they think is) who’s the boss.
        I read another one of your comments and I want you to know that the “Black Pussies” think that they’re tough but, when the shooting starts all you’ll see are asses and elbows. I carry a gun (legally) and I just want to see one of them try to threaten me out of voting….Be Well.

  7. And yet so simple…..ban all Confederate flags, dig up all buried Confederate soldiers and dispose of them in the ocean(?). No more riots, or Five Finger Discounting, thugs, lootings, gang attacks on single whites, massive shootings in Chicago & other cities. Looks like the DemonicRATS have finally scored a winner?

    • Michael Dennewitz

      Don’t laugh. Some chump black lawyer here in Florida went into an old cemetery and, on his own, removed every confederate flag that was on graves.. Trying to figure out who the hell gave HIM that authority!!

      • Meth or Crack gave him the “authority” I suspect. Will hide my North Korean Flag so if this nincompoop should see it wont go to South Korea and killing innocent folks. I have heard the perverts want to re-name Lee County…..probably want to desecrate his grave as well?

  8. Bull Shit..racism still exists and has nothing whatsoever todo with the Flag. These liberal loons have put out a false narrative and lie like they generally do.

    • stop the lieberals

      Yes!
      And the flag only had anything to do with racism in the minds of racists.

    • so why don’t you mention all the conservatives that actually TOOK THE FLAG DOWN?

      instead all the finger pointing is at the liberals.

      why are con such hypocrites all the time?

      • Why do you seem to always post ignorant trash with no meaning. I do believe you will see those false conservatives like haley,graham and many more lose their positions in the next elections. What goes around comes around and now you can go back to kissing the libtard’s azzes.

      • You still don’t get it, do you. RINOs are not conservatives. Man! Are you thick!

        • then WHO keep voting them into office?

          you think it’s the dems in the crowd?
          talk about thick.

          “You should, of all people, know that”

          no silly con I shouldn’t because that is only in your tiny paranoid minds.
          If the GOP were really liberals in disguise, why don’t THEY DO SOMETHING that Obama wants them to do?

          they didn’t get know as the party of NO just cause.
          why did they shut down the gov?
          fight over the debt ceiling.

          you logic ISN’T.

          only a dim con could believe the crap you think.

          • I guess you’re beyond hope or help, so answer these question if you will: Was John F. Kennedy liberal or conservative? Who was the best president, Kennedy or Jimmy Carter?

      • Still one standing at my house liberal dem bloodsucking scum, come get it.

      • There are conservative folk and there are politicians who claim to be. But the battle is not yet lost. People who love the USA more than self are still around, like Dr. Ben Carson. According to the polls, he still has a chance to rebuild what Barack Hussein Obama has destroyed, like the Constitution (with the help of SCOTUS), the economy, the people’s morale, and God’s morals from our founding book, the Bible.. That was the main purpose of the Revolutionary War. Check the history of the Black Robe Regiment consisting of blacks and whites. According to the British leadership of that day, the Regiment was responsible for the start of that war. Those who agree that Dr. Carson can do it, pray daily that God will use him.

  9. After all these years of racism, we are now racist free! Halleluiah! Oh, what do we do with the head Muslim and all of his brain dead disciples? Muslims and Democrats, (not much difference except the Muslims will kill you if you disagree, and the Democrats will talk you to death!)

  10. Racism is by individual choice. You cannot legislate it away. Unfortunately it will always be there.

  11. The flag received its share of abuse by being adopted by white supremacists groups and/or individuals along the way. It never stood for racism but came to be equated with it, in the minds of some. Taking it down does remove it from the debate, but it’s nothing but window dressing.

  12. Next we need the statue of Martin Luther King destroyed; wherein, he was labeled by the FBI a terrorist….the statue also promotes racism towards whites!!!

  13. Michael Dennewitz

    I have news for Miss Nikki.. That flag had not a damned thing to do with racism! The home boys ran out of shit to complain about, so they jumped on that flag! Miss Nikki was bought off! She’s a traitor to mankind! How much did you get, bitch??
    Trust me, the bootlips will definitely find something else to piss and moan about! All my life, I never believed in racism! Then, every freebie loving home boy started shoving their shit down everyone’s throat. If there are racists out there, geeze, I wonder what caused them to be that way?? This country sure is “caving in!” What a damned pity!!!

  14. What a joke. As if legislature can cure the ills of racism of this Nation by a stroke of the pin. It may keep people from speaking out but it will not change the minds of those who are racist; especially the left who try so hard to be goody-goodies but hate their own as well at anyone who is not like them. Racism is not dead and will continue to be a problem until enough people turn back to God, learn His ways and apply them to their daily lives.

    • Michael Dennewitz

      When I was a boy (I’m now 70) without even knowing what I was talking about, I used the word, “nigger!” The word no sooner left my mouth and I found myself dazed, sitting in a corner with a bloody mouth. Thanks Dad!
      All these years, I have refrained from using that word, instead, referring to them as colored people. That all changed when the HTNIC stole the Office and they all crawled out of the woodwork, demanding MORE FREE SHIT! They’ve tried for so long to shove so much shit down the white dudes throat that it’s no wonder a lot of whites call them dumb niggers! Think on it. The more pissing and moaning they do, the more intolerable whites become! I mean, how many damned “white riots” have you seen where whites destroy white businesses and raid the stores? Most of the complainers and rioters are plainly that, DUMB NIGGERS! Not enuf that the state is providing everything they need, they get bored sitting at home snorting and they crave action. But it’s ok. What they’re causing is, every white dude in the country is stockpiling weapons and ammo, and one day, it will be THEM that causes a racial war!!!

      • where is your dad to smack you in the mouth when needed.
        someone seems to have dropped off the deep end without adult supervision.

      • They will never understand what you wrote and it is so very true. I am 75 and my Dad taught me the same thing about the black race but there are times that they are “niggers” because of their actions just like there are “white trash” types.

      • By the time Obama’s term is over that word will be fashionable again.

  15. I’m so happy they took down the Confederate flag and ended not only racism—because we all know a flag was the main reason/culprit. Not only has South Carolina been good enough to end racism, but they also were able to abolish American history and heritage. Thank you South Carolina for showing the rest of the country what true racism is. What follows? Will all history books be re-written to not mention slavery?
    Perhaps all those people that wanted the Confederate flag removed for racism reasons be studied on Ancestry.com—-being from the South, I would imagine some would show a questionable family history.

  16. that’s a shame that so many died for what they believed in and the funny thing is most people black and whites think that they’ve done something when they take down a flag …and they don’t have the sense to no that racsiam has nothing to do with a flag …and the cival war wasn’t fought over slavery it was fought over the taxation of the south… so all you done was take a flag down that a lot of people lost there life for for money… that’s a shame and pitiful

  17. Racism is pushed by blacks like Obama, Sharpton,Jackson and Holder NAACP and black members of Congress. And if you believe that the rebel flag had everything to do with it then I have ocean front property for sell in death valley waiting just for you. Idiotic psychopathic morons. USMC

    • amen, I have an interest in a toll booth on the Holland tunnel for sale. USAF

    • I will bet money that the con who loves to hate liberals CAN’T post a direct quote of Obama or Holder (who is out of office by the way) saying something racist.

      you will make up some lame excuse for not doing it.
      cons only post talking points, they are actually clueless drones.

      • Racism is not only measured in words, it is measured in actions.

        Why did 0bama send or attend the funerals of Travon Martin, Michael Brown and said NOTHING about the white person, Kathryn Steinle when she was shot?

        • I would guess because Kathryn Steinle did not make national headlines.
          was she unarmed and shot in cold blood by a cop?

          if you weren’t such a dim bulb you would have posted the story, and help make your point.

          By the way LYING CON, the administration didn’t SEND anyone to Travon martin’s funeral.
          you could always post a link and PROVE that.
          (like that will happen)

          • She was unarmed and shot by an illegal immigrant that had been deported 5 times and JUST released from a San Fransisco jail because of San Frans sanctuary city policy.

            She was also white, and guess what! 0bama had no comment, not like the time it could have been his son…..

            Kathryn Steinle died in her Dads arms on a pier in San Fransisco. A place that would have put her in jail for carrying the only kind of protection that might have saved her life.

            Thanks for proving my points about Media bias, too.

          • “Thanks for proving my points about Media bias, too.”

            it was in all the papers fool.
            Only the NUTS with a motive in the country are obsessed about it.

            posting a link was still too much for the con to handle?

            is the pres supposed to make a comment on all the shootings in America?
            all the deaths?

            or just the ones the conservatives THINK is necessary?
            what is the precedent that makes you expect a statement from the pres?

            there are close to a hundred guns deaths a day.
            i think he should be doing the countries business instead of commenting on 100 gun deaths.

            I know the GOP like to waste time and do nothing but the pres a lot of EO’s to issue.

            face it con, there is NO pleasing you fools.

          • The pres only makes comments on shootings that he can take political advantage of.

            That is why he is so hypocritical. As if Black lives matter, when only Black lives that can be politically exploited by the potus matter.

            Nobody expects white lives to matter to the potus because nothing really matters to 0bama.

      • Please remove your rainbow glasses and ear plugs. Research for the truth, don’t rely on one statement.

        • The dim marine who can’t produce a statement from Obama demonstrating his racism, yet is SO SURE that it happens CONSTANTLY.

          I though marines had honor?
          then back up your rhetoric?

          • As stated do the research your self, and yes Marines do have HONOR more that a dimwit like you who must have everything found for them.

        • “you will make up some lame excuse for not doing it”

          SEE con.
          I WAS CORRECT

  18. The NAACP is the most racist organization in the nation and right behind them is LaRaza.

    The Confederate Flag never murdered anyone. But, the hearts of racists does every day.

  19. So now by removing a Battle Flag which literally symbolized States rights. Racism is dead. In what world has that happened. What actually occurred was an attempt by the Democrats to bury their ever present racial bigoted bias. Their still very much the KKK. Only now they no longer wear white hoods and capes.Now instead of lynching’s now the demo-rats use government hand outs, welfare , housing assistance, WICK, free Phones ,free health care, any so much more to keep the people under their thumbs as indentured servants. The demo -rats claim it to be a helping hand up. What it real is, is a hand on their throats keeping them down.

  20. The flag didn’t shoot those people, Why did he go into a black Church to shoot 9 Black people, more to the story than were told.
    A Black Historic Church stands, we don’t have White churches all are welcome, they churches go around the world inviting people of all colors and race to join.
    Now our WH is lit up in Multi Colors, Walmart making Black Isis Flag Cakes.
    When the Flag was voted to be taken down so should every other group that has a Flag, Not to be Raise on or around any Government property, obama and the progressive and Gay do not own the WH, the colored light to represent their Flag should be removed.
    WH is discriminating agains Traditional Marriage and family values. this display on our WH is for the sole purpose of trying play head games with our children in order to deny them their rights,
    How many children will have to be Sexually assulted, tortured,punished if they don’t want to be gay or lesbian, it’s already been happening, where children have been raped and used by these groups. this is another way of giving legal aid the right to leave children in abusive situations.
    Where are the American lawyers if there are any left, on the subject of Gay Marriage.
    Kagen and Gingsberg in my opinion didn’t have a vote, Conflict of interest.
    Why are they not Appealing the Supreme courts ruling.?
    our Politicians are once again in hiding n the subject.

  21. YEA! RIGHT!

  22. I’m thinking,……..that this flag will become more popular to some folks now, that never even thought about it before!!

    • Michael Dennewitz

      Actually you are right on! The army/navy store down the road can’t keep enuf of them in stick. I have 2 huge ones. One is right under the American flag atop my house, and the other is attached to my motorcycle!! AND I CARRY !! (legally)

  23. disqus_C6fGXmCFNc

    OMG they the demonrat paryt is so stupid and you all know you can not fix stupid binch of moronic idiots!!

    • OMG the GOP party took it down

      • Their hands took it down. The plantation’s rhetoric caused it to come down. A similar event occurred about 2,000 years ago when the hands of the Romans nailed the Son of God cross, but it was the Jews and our sins that put Him there. Now, tell me, Reality, Where was the hatred?

  24. I believe this is well said…..I thought it nonsense and those Republican candidates who jumped on the removeal list came off my list of prospects as was Bush, Perry and others…..Not Curz or Bobby Jindal. Nikki Haley to me seems to be a get along to get along…..A VP candidate? Ouch! (many do agree the flag not be flow over the capitol…this was certainly not the reason if should be taken down)

  25. I have lived on the West Coast, the East Coast, the Gulf Coast and as far north as Milwaukee, WI. I have found hatred, bigotry and love in all of those areas. People are not robots. Everyone has feelings which includes all the above. You cannot legislate what people feel. And that is the crux of the matter. No matter how many laws the government’s pass, you will never get rid of it. As a Catholic, I believe in individual responsibility for one’s actions and words. If you kill someone, you should be held liable, not the gun, the flag, history or anything else. That is where Progressives and Liberals are wrong.

    • The political smoke screen with the flag and all the self flagellation, is to block from view the real intent of gun control and abolishment of the 1st and 2nd amendments to the Bill of Rights, then they have total control & power over the people. Communists never stop in their quest for world domination!

      • “and abolishment of the 1st and 2nd amendments to the Bill of Rights”

        HOW do people get this friggin STUPID?

      • Agreed, but they still don’t understand mankind was meant to be free and will fight against tyranny. History has proven that time after time. Their victory, if they ever are, will only be temporary because will fight to be free.

  26. I like the way you cons all ignore what General Lee wanted done with this flag.

    General Lee himself wanted the flag GONE after the end of the war.
    He also made sure it was not used in his burial and that no one wore a confederate uniform at his funeral.

    so WHY exactly do all the cons have their panties in a knot over this?

  27. If you believe removing the flag will erase racism, I have a bridge to sell you, the bridge goes nowhere. In fact removing the flag my create new problems.

  28. The feel-gooders are so amazingly stupid that they think removing an “offensive” symbol will stop racism or prevent more murders like the ones in Charleston, it is truly unbelievable! Many of these people are supposedly well educated and more intelligent than the rest of us unwashed masses, that they think we should just stand aside and let them run and manage our lives.

    • you have to start someplace, right silly con?

      is that concept too high brow for you?

      how is your life now being managed, now that the flag is down from the state capital?

  29. Is it supposed that racism was born and bred in the USA? It has been around as long as men gathered in hunter/gather tribes and in all cultures and races that followed. It will not end over some flag, or some insane man killing people of an opposite race. We are like grains of sand in the scheme of things, the world just rolls along and there is not a thing to be done about it.

    • “Is it supposed that racism was born and bred in the USA?”

      one believes that only if you are a silly con.

      liberals of course know that racism started with life itself.

  30. boris yasdnilkov

    “Taking the flag down may appear as a moment of unity, but it is actually a stunning move towards a new era of division.”
    Great statement! A great truth! Our nation is going to hell in a hand basket.

  31. You don’t ‘cure’ racism by taking down an historical emblem. Racism comes from the heart and needs God.

  32. If you stupid people think that racism will end by removing a part of South Carolina history or for that matter any state that supported the confederacy during the civil war by demanding the flag be removed from public view on government property are not playing with a full deck. You politicians are bowing to demands from the most racists on the face of the earth. THE BLACK race. Did any of you who support these kinds of movements stop and think from where this country came from. We as a nation have committed some of the most heinous of crimes against the people from whom we stole this country. (WHAT HAVE WE DONE FOR THEM)?. I as a citizen of the United States am sick and tired of the race baiting blacks and the media that loves them imposing their views on the rest of us who don’t agree with you..Get some balls and (just say no) to the ignorant mongers…

  33. Nah, da blacks still goan a be racis no matters wut!

  34. what a lying sack, if you want to control racism ,get the race baiter faschist out of the oval office, prosecut him for treason.

    • please post something racist the Pres has said or be forever the moron.
      ( i have a feeling you are going to choose the moron option)

  35. All this hate for the South is completely STUPID..

    • it’s not hatred for the South, silly.
      It’s hatred of bigots and racists.

      get the facts straight.

      • Correction Reality. If you check the happenings of late, you’ll see the bigots and racists are located in the north and the west. We Southern humans are getting along just fine because we share a common respect for God’s creatures (each other). The exception being, of course, wacko’s and criminals.

  36. IT WAS NEVER ABOUT THE CSA FLAG. IT IS ABOUT THE ONE THAT COMES DOWN NEXT THEN THE SSB,

    THEN GOD OFF THE MONEY AND THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IS ALREADY SOVIET MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. UNTIL WE ADMIT WE ARE FIGHTING COMMUNISM WE ARE DOOMED TO LOSE.

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  37. as a matter of FACT, the Longer I live, the MORE I Unfortunately realize, Blacks are More racist than “WHITES” Yet NONE are 100% ANYTHING! Race DIVIDING has been USED BY “OBUMMER & HIS MINIONS” to Further TRANSFORM THE ONCE “UNITED” NOW DIVIDED..STATES OF AMERICA!” P E R I O D! THE SO-CALLED “PEOPLE” who PROFESS TO WANT TO “HELP” PEOPLE OF COLOR?? Have Only Hurt them & MADE A LOT OF MONEY “DOING” IT! & TRANSFORMING….AMERICA! BESIDES< WE "WERE" PAST TENSE NOW< going to MOVE TO SC FROM FLORIDA..NO MORE!! IF there are as many NONE COMMON SENSE RACE BAITERS THERE THEN THERE ARE HERE? Yet they TOOK THE CONFEDERATE FLAG DOWN< NOW ALL AGAIN WRONG IS RIGHT & ALL RIGHT IS WRONG?? We'll STAY Right where we are, until or unless this STATE GETS "AS STUPID"! Then I guess it's TEXAS maybe?? Either way, I AM EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED WITH TIM SCOTT! VERY…TO COW TOW to a RIDICULOUS "EXPLANATION" For taking Down a Flag that had ABSOLUTELY…NOTHING!!!!! TO "DO" WITH SLAVERY?? Well, it just goes to show..NO ONE LEFT WITH ANY INTELLIGENCE ANYMORE..OR ENOUGH BRAIN CELLS LEFT TO BELIEVE OR SEARCH OUT OR KNOW "TRUTHS" WHEN THEY "HEAR" IT OR "SEE" IT! I'm DONE..WE ARE GOING TO IMPLODE!! THE "ENTIRE!" COUNTRY and all for ONE REASON & ONE ONLY…TO DESTROY The USA…& ALLOW FOR ALL THE WEAKNESSES Both INTERNAL & EXTERNAL TO TAKE US DOWN< JUST AS the TERRORISTS & PUTIN HAVE DONE ACROSS THE GLOBE!! & EUROPE..ONE GLOBAL WORLD GOV & BANK IS WHAT THESE "THINGS" WANT'..WELL You ALL SHOULD BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR OR WHAT YOU TRULY DO NOT RECOGNIZE AS THE "REAL TRUTHS!"..Because by the TIME YOU DO, IT WILL BE TOO LATE!! Just as those Under the REIGN OF HITLER….IDIOTS! & COWARDS & PEOPLE WHO JUST AS THEN< ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO BE "BOUGHT & PAID FOR" BY OTHER PEOPLE'S BLOOD< and SOON IT WILL BE THEIR OWN! MARK MY WORDS!

  38. This is why our cowardly governor will not get re-elected. She is not even a true southerner. She is a sell out to emotional drivel and leftist pressures. Just like ISIS, Haley and the rest of her leftist ilk are trying to deface and bulldoze TRUE history in order to rewrite it to fit into their own narratives. What a bunch of terrorists. What is next, passing resolutions to behead all of us whose ancestors fought under these flags for whatever reasons, whether it be slavery, states’ rights, or personal Liberty? Maybe they will unanimously vote, out of emotional overload and mass hysteria, to behead all of us who do not agree with their revisionist form of false history!!!
    THE TIME FOR THE 2ND AMERICAN REVOLUTION IS CLOSE AT HAND!

    • Yeah unfortunately Nicky is too naive to handle the tragedy…she will get zero credit as a Republican taking down a flag flown by Democrats…the crats will just brand her the equivalent of an Indian female Uncle-Tom and laugh their tails off at her expense for decades.

      • This is exactly true. I know that the flag is a democrat creation, but many of us on the right had ancestors fight under these flags for more nobler reasons such as states’ rights and economic Liberty.

    • “What is next, passing resolutions to behead all of us whose ancestors fought under these flags for whatever reasons,”

      How about some mental help?

      • Zing! You got me pal! That was a really awe-inspiring and life changing comment. Much like removing all vestiges of the Confederacy has cured the world’s racism problem, your comment has changed me. Note: Sarcasm fully intended.
        That is all you have, denigration and derision, otherwise you have absolutely nothing to offer this conversation at all. I believe they call your ilk, trolls in the modern internet vernacular.

  39. Smearing modern non-racist Southerners with such ease and low cost empowered the crats to launch their next hate-campaigns…American flag is racist cause slavery existed under it for 85 years. All founding fathers are just evil white slavers. All monuments must be removed. ALL history must be blackwashed. The white-house must become the black-house…and on and on and on…they will not stop…they will become more vicious…as they gain more power they become more violent against their opponents…stand up or be rolled over my friends!

  40. I agree 100% with this article.

  41. I see a lot of bashing on both sides, which only proves irresponsible behavior. That is not how we solve problems.

    • You can only take so much irresponsible behavior before you start fighting back.

      I have never started a fight with a liberal, but will no longer back down. Liberals rely on getting the last lie in before deflecting a conversation. I will not let it happen again.

      Liberals always resort to insults the second they have nothing to defend their positions with. That in my experience was the downfall of civility on the web.

      I did not start this fight. I will not turn my back on it anymore.

      • MAHB001,
        I do not back down to liberals myself. I was referring to the name calling, which proves nothing. I have responded considerably with Reality but when I got down to offering indisputable proof he changed he stopped emailing on the topic of discussion. He repeatedly bad-mouthed me time and again and did not offer much else.
        I will discuss a topic no matter which side I am on providing the opponent offers a respectful answer. But in this case, he quit. I kept going. He has bad-mouthed me on another topic but is totally silent on the one we had discussed previously. I would guess he is being paid to badmouth conservatives.

        • ” but when I got down to offering indisputable proof he changed he
          stopped emailing on the topic of discussion. He repeatedly bad-mouthed
          me time and again and did not offer much else.”

          not nice to makeup POO Jerry.

          you are still working on your “prove the bible is the word of God” essay and as for bad mouthing, YOU started it.

          such disingenuous behavior.

          • Reality,
            It would be nice if I could provide 4000 years of history in one sentence. But it does not work that way. I told you in advance I was going one step at a time. I did just that. I left off with what I found concerning the reality of Jesus. The data has been confirmed at accurate by archeologists and theologians. The next step is to confirm that what the Gospels said are also confirmed. I can do that also.
            Therefore, if the Bible has the backing of archeologists and historians that Jesus did exist in the First Century, AD then what is not to believe? If He is who the Bible says he is and He quoted and taught from the Old Testament, He substantiates the Old Testament. If He says the Old Testament is true, who am I to argue with Him?
            Are you now going to call Jesus a liar? Lots of luck with that if you do.

          • “Therefore, if the Bible has the backing of archeologists and historians”
            well there is your fatal flaw.
            archeologists have merely confirmed that things mentioned in the bible have historical connections, not that the fables are true.

            sure a guy named Jesus was causing a stir and go crucified.
            the raising up 3 days later is what yo need to prove.
            the cured lepers the water into wine.

            as I KEEP SAYING,
            archeological significance does not equal proof
            OR Zeus and Poseidon are also real since cities and characters from those fables are mentioned and confirmed as real characters.

            “Therefore, if the Bible has the backing of archeologists and historians
            that Jesus did exist in the First Century, AD then what is not to
            believe?”

            Good GOD Jerry.

            A does NOT equal B.
            by your logic all the gods of Greece and Romans and dozens of other cultures are as real as well.
            that is a slippery slope.
            also silly

            I am not calling Jesus a liar.
            I am calling the entire Christian faith, liars.
            in that there is no proof.

          • Reality,
            We are now down to the four gospels. Are they fact or fiction?
            Suetonius, who I provided info on, said the Christians were claiming that Jesus rose from the dead. He also said they were spreading their beliefs at that time to Rome. So the concept is according to what the Gospels say about Jesus and His followers.
            The Four Gospels have been verified as to their existence by writers of the first and second centuries.
            In 325 AD. the Roman church collected what they believed was the full Bible texts. But they did not write anything, they merely assembled their Bible as they saw fit. Martin Luther created the Protestant Bible when he became the leader of the Protestant movement. Again he simply eliminated some of the Catholic choices for his own. Neither the Catholics nor the Protestants made any changes to the manuscripts.
            Then there is a group of people from the first Century known as the anabaptists. Some Christian churches allowed members to continue in the church after denying Christianity and survived. Some churches required rebaptism for those who survived. These churches were know as the Anabaptists, or again baptizers. These people ended up retreating into Switzerland, eastern France and southern Germany and possibly northern Italy. They had collected he scriptures during the first century also. The bottom line is that the New Testament is accurately recorded.
            Based on that information, the four gospels certainly tell the story of Jesus, His teachings, His death and His resurrection. He was seen by up to 500 people. How many witnesses do you need that they saw what they saw? The gospels also provide what Jesus taught to the disciples and they carried it forth to all of the area as far as Rome, Greece and Turkey. Since the Gospels say what they say, that satisfies me that they are true.

        • “I would guess he is being paid to badmouth conservatives.”
          really Jerry?

          so much for any credibility I used to afford you.

          • Reality,
            I cannot recall one post from you to me that did not contain sarcasm and ridicule. I do not think you realize what you are doing. You are always right. Everyone who does not agree with you is stupid.
            So I set out to prove what I believe with specific facts. I did that and can do more. I likely will for the sake of others who post. At least someone gains from it.

          • “You are always right. Everyone who does not agree with you is stupid.”

            well lets put it this way Jerry, I am rarely wrong.
            Mostly because cons listen to inaccurate propaganda

            cons who then cal the Pres a Muslim, are stupid.
            do you think he is a closet Muslim Jerry?

            cons who claim he is destroying the country are STUPID.
            do you think he is destroying the country?
            you had best be ready to back this up with fact instead of con intuition.

        • Michael Dennewitz

          That’s funny because a really intelligent friend of mine somehow programmed my cell to detect when Asswipe Un-reality check is in here and I get a lil red flashing lite that tells me his idiotic comment went to “spam!” Neatest damned thing I’ve ever seen. ROFLMFAO

          • Michael,
            I am OK with him as long as I get my own message of research out. As long as he will converse, I will provide data to him. That get my messages out as well to others.
            My own policy is to stick to factual data such as record. When referring to Biblical matter that is often difficult unless archeologists have found data and dated a site. As for politics, I am a Constitutional conservative and often post of Constitutional issues. I believe both major parties are ignoring it at times. I support the rights od eh LGBT folks and abortion but do not approve of those activities per my own personal beliefs. The bible condemns homosexuality and also murder.

          • but for some reason you keep posting to me.
            why is that silly con?

        • You would be correct. Reality is a paid troll, it doesn’t really matter who is paying him, it might as well be Soros.

          He/she/it is a hypocritical, deceptive, mean, liar, evil, and the lowest kind of human being on earth.

          Trolls like him used to have a huge impact on the internet, simply by insulting others to silence opposing opinions. Good honest people can no longer let that type spread their lies, and they can never get the last word.

          I have found that pointing out that they are dodging or insulting, and then repeating your last point and declaring yourself the winner of the argument, frustrates them to no end.

          This usually brings on more insults and opportunities for me to claim a victory.

          In the end, it is the people reading the posts that decide who wins and who doesn’t, but I will never let them win just because they got the last word.

          • MAHB001,
            I have not let his bias and the belittling of me get the last word. I have to leave for awhile today so I will respond to his latest tirade when I can. Socialism sell to people for some reason. Certainly power is one of those reasons. But he notion that government is the great “god’ that can solve all problems ultimately fails as history has proven. They seem to have lost sight of the fact that this country looks to the people and not the government. The Constitution provides us with a system of laws, not individual or government by which to live and build up our system of personal help to our citizens. That has ceased to happen. Look how well that has failed in Mexico where the wealthy look down their noses at the poor and do nothing to help them. But help requires a reciprocation by the poor. Once their attitude changes that usually ends the problem.

          • Agreed, and well stated.

            The reason socialism sells to some people is because they have been taught by the socialists that are promoting socialism in our schools.

            Socialists have taken up key positions in both political parties, Schools, Unions, MEDIA, and our court system.

            All this was predicted and laid out in the book. “The Naked Communist,” over 50 years ago. The agenda items have been implemented since the 1930s.

          • MAHB001,
            Good Old FDR. What can I say?

    • Please point me to some “bashing” from the left.

      • Reality,
        When I think of name calling, yours comes to mind automatically. How about getting down to actual discussions and leave the name calling out?

        • I would be the only one posting facts Jerry.
          and the name calling is going both ways.
          they give respect, they get respect.

          you just dodged the “bashing” part of the response Jerry, and opted for name calling.

          I will assume you can’t find much bashing from the liberals,

          AND here you are carrying water for your brethren, how sweet.

          • Reality,
            I was referring to what you just did. Apparently you are opposed to learning anything. You are always right. I obviously do not agree with you. Be civil and I will respond. I also am waiting for your “facts”.

    • Just shows that we need a divorce on the grounds that we have Irreconcilable Differences.

  42. Well, they’ve removed the confederate flag from public domain.
    How much longer before they demand that flying a confederate flag on private property be made illegal?
    Worse yet – how much longer before even the display of a confederate flag, or it’s symbol, will be considered hate speech, and thus a hate crime?

    • “Well, they’ve removed the confederate flag from public domain”

      actually low info con, they put it in the PUBLIC museum.

      By the way dim human, THAT was not the confederate flag. it was the battle flag of General Lee.

      try to get some of the facts correct.

      • Won’t you please try to make an intelligent reply that doesn’t include a personal attack? Why are you so bitter when others point out the weaknesses in the programs that you so obviously support, but likewise will not admit constantly fail so miserably? Liberal/socialists have had their own way for far too long, and all their programs are showing that they simply don’t work! They usually don’t fix problems, they just make it easier for some, at the expense of others, to live with them. Now, go ahead and take your best shot at me and tell me why I’m so wrong about what I’ve just said! I’m sure there are some others that are waiting to hear you tell us all why we have it so good now, under our current administration, and/or democrat/liberal/socialist leadership? I’d really like to hear why major bastions of democrat control and voter base (see NY City, Baltimore, Chicago, Philadelphia, etc.) after many years of liberal/social government programs are worse now than before the programs were initiated? Hmmm? Oh yes, I’d appreciate it if you don’t refer to the actions of RINO’s and other political sellouts when you make your argument, as not many support the self-serving interests of political hacks that rise from all parties, which does not excuse the fact that these social program ideas always come from the democrat/liberal/socialist wing of government!

        • well con, when you post things like
          “Worse yet – how much longer before even the display of a confederate
          flag, or it’s symbol, will be considered hate speech, and thus a hate
          crime?”

          i just go straight to silly con. because that is what you are at that point.
          there is NO basis for those thoughts except Right Wing Propaganda, which you must be a devoted consumer of.

          so lets check you facts, shall we?

          “and all their programs are showing that they simply don’t work!”
          LIKE WHAT?
          now lets be specific with FACTS instead of talking points, ok?

          NY city is not failing
          neither is LA or SF

          you want to pretend that Ferguson Mo is in a liberal state?

          AND as for THE ECONOMY, you cons like to pretend it all downhill and we are in ruins.
          you also like to pretend it’s all Obama’s fault.
          that somehow the stock market crash of 08 was the Dems fault.
          that the housing implosion was all the Dems fault.
          that bubble that started to unravel in 06.

          The US did a stimulus, most of the EU did not, they went the GOP plan of Austerity.

          AND NOW?
          “U.S. Economy ‘Lone Bright Spot,’ as Global Outlook Getting ‘Worse’”
          “The World Bank is telling us… the U.S. economy is the
          only bright spot for global growth”

          so much for the doom and gloom you cons love to vomit day after day.

          the EU is on the brink of another recession, the US is the Lone Bright Spot.
          oh and WHO said this besides the World bank?
          FOX.

          http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2015/01/14/us-economy-lone-bright-spot-as-global-outlook-getting-worse/
          are they a leftist organization now?

        • “as not many support the self-serving interests of political hacks that rise from all parties”

          so tell me con, how did Boehner and the gang get back in office, the Dems did it?

  43. If anyone, I repeat anyone thinks that racism is dead are as dense as a block of lead. Racism is pushed by Obama, Sharpton, Jackson and Holder along with a lot of the black community. Whites are causing racism also the other direction. Mostly when someone else is pushing it. Sorry I am part of the minority now so I can push what I want.

  44. Ok Reality Check, this one is just for you. Look around you if you don’t just stay home and you will find in your black neighborhoods as to where should a white person walk through or attempt to I am afraid that they would be shot, beaten or something else, especially at night. They would probably think this person is trying to spy on us. Hey Fred and Mike go around that way, myself and Paul will go this way and catch them in the middle. You can see where I am going unless you are totally dead between your ears.

  45. “But taking it down will do nothing. Nothing at all.” Except, like you said, DIVIDE THE RACES, and P. O. EVERY Southerner, racist or not, that holds our traditions dear. And yes, it does signify way more than racism. And it’s not even the actual flag of the Confederacy. I’m sure the REAL flag was carried into more battles than this one.
    If the South ever does ‘Rise Again’, it will all be the fault of the libs.

  46. This will prove to be a death wish for all politicians in S.C. who voted to remove the Confederate Flag including their ADULTEROUS Governor Niki Haley.

    • now she’s adulterous?
      the party of family values elected an adulterous Governor?

      typical con hypocrisy.

      • yOU CAN NOT BE SO STUPID TO HAVE NOT KNOWN THIS?

      • He’s not talking about sexual adultery. Use hour head for something besides a hat rack, Reality.

        • adulterous
          [uh-duhl-ter-uh s]
          adjective

          1.characterized by or involved in adultery; illicit:
          an adulterous relationship.

          adultery
          [uh-duhl-tuh-ree] noun, plural adulteries.

          1.voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse.

          try not to be so ignorant.

  47. Are they serious/ That did nothing to cure racism. It is alive and well as long as we have racists like Sharpton, Jackson, Obama and Holder still around.

  48. Raymond J Ambrozaitis

    As long as fools have no honor and do not respect their greatest General whose word they defy constantly, thus making Robert E. Lee a liar the battle flag of Northern Virginia will dominate their minds.

  49. MuslimLuvChrist

    the only racists are the people crying racism

  50. Cured RACISM? What? Along with the flag they removed all the black people from the state? Just saying!

  51. The political party representing the south during the civil war was the Southern Democratic Party, and although there were several flags designed from 1861- 1863, it was the third national flag that was adopted on March 4, 1865, (just before the fall of the Confederacy), that is the flag in conflict today. In excess of 97% of those who
    fought against the north were not slavers. For these men, the flag represented southern patriotism; whereas, only 2 to3%, representing plantation owner and businessmen, who were the ones who fought bitterly to protect the slave trade for profit. It should also be noted that KKK today, does not utilize the confederate flag for their events or rallies. Even in England, it was the profiteers who fought against the emancipation of slavery. The point being is; the slavers didn’t need a flag to profit from slave labor. (Slavery existed long before the civil war). This is why I believe that the flag is not a remembrance of slavery for today’s southerners, but rather, southern pride. Some people are proud of their state, the south are proud of their southern heritage. (Political correctness is turning out to be a hate machine, and political tool that is being used to destroy our country). I believe the American-state flag should be the only flags flown on federal and state buildings, and that the confederate flag should not be correlated with slavery.

    .

    • I am going to bet you are White and old.

      • My sentiment on the issue is similar to what former civil rights leader believes; Civil rights icon and former Atlanta Mayor Andrew Young is imploring the black community to focus on addressing actual racism and the problems negatively impacting blacks rather than the Confederate flag, which is a merely a “symbol that means a lot of things to a lot of people.” “The problems we face don’t have anything to do with the flag,” Young said in an interview with WAGA-TV in Atlanta. “The fact is that 93 percent of the black people killed are killed by other black people. So if black lives matter, let us start believing that we matter.”
        Young, who marched with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., said the “challenge” facing the country is “not to wipe out our past history but to
        learn to live together in the future.” While he acknowledged the Confederate flag represents a dark time in America’s history, he also argued taking down the symbol doesn’t actually accomplish anything in regards to race issues in America.
        God created one race, and that’s the human race. All related problems are products of man’s inability to get along with man.

        • “All related problems are products of man’s inability to get along with man.”
          VERY TRUE.

          you should come by more often.
          an articulate conservative is rare.

  52. Knee jerk reaction by a bunch of idiot liberals. I hear they are digging up Confederate generals from parks
    and burying them elsewhere. In Houston they are wanting to change the names of high schools that have
    been around for almost 100 yrs if they think the person the school is named after had anything to do
    with the Confederacy. Idiots all. Most kids white or black can’t tell you who the first president was
    much less if the person the school is named after had anything to do with the Confederacy. I.e.,
    Jeff Davis who actually resigned because he didn’t want Texas to join the Confederacy. How would
    these idiots know they don’t teach much history anymore. Hear that roadside stands are making a
    killing selling confederate flags. Now everyone wants one. Lots of pickups have one mounted on
    their truck just since this nonsense started. Joke for ya’ll – Know the difference between the
    supreme court and the KKK ? The supreme court justices wear black robes and scare white people.

    • “Knee jerk reaction by a bunch of idiot liberals”
      one of them is running for the GOP nomination.
      the SC Senate is GOP
      the SC house is GOP.

      but the con points the finger at libs.

      so much for cons taking personal responsibility.

      OH they’re RINOS.
      Ya well YOU CONs elected them.

  53. If Dylan Roof had come into that church with an American flag , would we now be outlawing Old Glory? I ‘ve asked this a couple of times but no one has answered.

    • Roof belonged to a white supremest group THAT USED THAT FLAG, ill informed human.

      Find some facts. being ignorant is not becoming of an American.

  54. I agree with the article…just a distraction..noise, a physical object (symbol) to take aim and fire at to make it look like something is being done…in place of dealing with the real issues no one wants to talk about.

  55. Here is a speach Lincoln made.

    One of Lincoln’s most representative public statements on the question of racial relations was given in a speech at Springfield, Illinois, on June 26, 1857.6 In this address, he explained why he opposed the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which would have admitted Kansas into the Union as a slave state:
    There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races … A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas …
    Racial separation, Lincoln went on to say, “must be effected by colonization” of the country’s blacks to a foreign land. “The enterprise is a difficult one,” he acknowledged,
    but “where there is a will there is a way,” and what colonization needs most is a hearty will. Will springs from the two elements of moral sense and self-interest. Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or, at least, not against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be.

    Now which flag is the racist flag?

    • If you chronicle Lincoln’s actions while president he looks a lot more like Obama than his portrayal in history books.

  56. Michael Dennewitz

    Next, Oklahoma will give in, allow itself to be bought off and remove the Ten Commandments stone from out front.. You watch and see if it doesn’t happen. Everydamnedone of them either threatened or bought off. Pure CHICKENSHIT AMERICANS !!

    • stop the lieberals

      It’s probably the real reason BO is going to OK.
      Wanna bet he makes a speech next to the monument?

  57. Why do all the media have this distorted view that politicians have any agendas that are other than their own election or re-election and that they are going to do everything and anything that they see as favorable to that objective but nothing that might be obstructive to that end regards of the benefit that might come to the general public? Defining revelation: politicians are slime.

  58. Release Blago from prison and we will find out more truths . I cannot believe that John Kerry will make a deal with Iran, when Iran burnt the flag of Israel. Kerry has no respect for this country , I hope the Vietnamese help him to get his thoughts straight . Why is Obama going to visit the OK prison , to pick up his order ? Give Iran billions of dollars to make an agreement , I would love to read that agreement online . We will never profit on this mistake.

    • “I cannot believe that John Kerry will make a deal with Iran, when Iran burnt the flag of Israel.”
      It’s a FLAG silly con.
      so the con prefers nuclear war?

      not a good strategy for future generations.

  59. Joseph L. Light

    They should let Root go, they have already sentence the Flag to death and it had nothing to do with the shooting.
    I don’t think they should let him, But, the racist in Washington D.C and others are the big cause of racism. in America today

    • You have shown a lot of LIGHT in that first sentence……the flag did it……not that crazy drug addict Root!

  60. Governor Haley has trended all wrong since she took office. Rather than being the brave new woman “watch me roar” she has become one the the gang of 535 that are destroying the very fabric of western civilization by their cowardliness and power lust. Welcome to the brave new world where, “rolling in the muck is not the best way of getting clean.”

  61. Irene Elizabeth Grooms

    Well you people that are asleep you better wake up cause i say in the next few months there might be no AMERICA CAUSE AT THE RATE AS OF NOW WE’ER BEING TAKEN OVER BY OUR GOVERNMENT.

  62. if they like the north why don’t they go there instead of messing with the south. all the north did is kill them and they run back
    down here

  63. Symbolism over substance. Kum-Bye-Yah, Kum-Bye-Yah…..

  64. He KILLED 9 Christians

  65. At best it will increase racial violence. At worst it will result in racism as this Nation has never experienced. The flag has not been barred from private use (and should never be). This has already become the focus of some black’s as a reason to attack those who are clinging to the heritage which cost of our forefathers’ lives in defense of states’ rights.

  66. Chris Robinette

    Here is true racist. some one who would shot a black panther member just as quick as a KKK member.

  67. This controversy has all been predicated on the fact that pictures of Dylann Roof included a Confederate Battle Flag. They also included an American flag on fire and hundreds of other elements, including the fact that Dylann was wearing clothes. Maybe we need to ban clothes. After all, low life’s wear them. Pure nonsense? No more than the idea that the one element, a Confederate Battle Flag, in his photos was responsible for his heinous actions. The whole thing is a distraction from real events. Statistically, a dozen or so people will be killed by drunk driving illegal aliens today. And we’re worried about a flag!?

  68. Jonathan Cohanne

    At least removing the Confederate flag is a step in the right direction!

  69. If that flag was racist what about white bed sheets?

  70. I have seen MORE confederate Flags flying this week from peoples houses, flagpoles in yards, on cars and back of trucks!!!! These confederate Flag haters have only brought it out and they brought it back to life!!!!!

  71. why is it everytime something happens or people get killed or murdered it turns into a black white thing. The reel flag has nothing to do with why this colored person decided to gun down all these people having a prayer meeting . ANd as for Sharpton he has to stick his nasty little noise into everybodys business. how about he pay back the millions of dollars he owes in back taxes

    • “why this colored person decided to gun down all these people having a prayer meeting”

      EXCUSE ME?
      the white supremest youth is what you meant?

      but you seem to remember Sharpton, but not the color of the person who did the killing.

      so not to with it, but ready to give out those talking points!

  72. Racism is NOT dead. The cure for racism is a change in heart and only Jesus Christ can bring that change. Those who foment racial unrest- (Obama, Sharpton, Jessie Jackson) are continuing their work of evil. These folks preach racism just as surely and as completely.

  73. Now they want to dig up graves of the generals and their wives and move them somewhere else. Taking down the Flag did nothing–Zero. That was a stupid idea. Don’t you know people that wanted it down will not be happy until the Constitution is removed also. I do not feel any better or safer either. well, what’s next after destroying our history?

    • ” Don’t you know people that wanted it down will not be happy until the Constitution is removed also”

      did you know that is the stupidest thing I have read to day?

      what do base that on Texas girl?
      how did History get destroyed Texas girl?

      What’s next?

      cons with brains?

      cons who can THINK FOR THEMSELVES!
      OMG wouldn’t that be nice.

      if you are going to tell me you do (think for yourself), then be prepared to tell me how your history was destroyed.

  74. South Carolina capitulated to bigoted liberals. Climate Change used to be the biggest hoax, but now the “Hate” not “Heritage” hoax has taken the number one spot.

    • lets see your science that convinced you it’s not real.

      you won’t of course.

      not like cons are critical thinkers.

      If Rush says it’s a hoaxs, then it must be.

      It’s not like Rush is paid 40 million a year to lie to the right?
      right?

  75. It did absolutely nothing about racism. The people of South Carolina should never have let those B****rds take that flag down, I was born in a Yankee State, but the Soldiers of the Confederate Army fought bravely and should not be flushed down the toilet this way. What bothers me is that the people of South Carolina let them do it. So much for a lot of them that had ancestors fight in that war. They should be ashamed of themselves, but instead they helped pull the handle that flush them down the toilet. What ever happened to, “The South Will Rise Again” If they knew at the time that their own people were going to degrade them they may have killed some of their own kinfolk.
    It is downright shameful. I suppose in the future all of us Veterans will get the same treatment. It is already started actually. What did the troops that came back from Vietnam get. ?? We were treated like dirt. South Carolina, …….
    YOU PEOPLE ARE A DISGRACE !!!!

  76. The only Sure way to Stop ALL this PC , LIBTURD COMMIE DEM BULLSHIT is the Coming NEXT FULL REVOLUTION . Lord hope it STARTS SOON . ENOUGH is ENOUGH

  77. As long as Black Americans keep telling their children lies, and continue to make them follow in their foot steps to dependency on social programs, and Government Dependency they will never climb out of the cellar and join the rest of us Americans in the real world. They just want to blame somebody for their self inflicted woos, so why not pick Southerns to blame while they hold hands with the same democrat party that wanted to keep blacks down, but have switched gears and decided to make them dependent to the Democrat party!

  78. Respek? Pull up your pants, Groom yourself, Tie your shoes, Wear your hat or cap the way it is designed to be worn, Quit shaking my vehicle with the “N” word and “F” bomb music, Drive like you have at least a little sense, refer to each other with something other than “MF”, quit saying “you know” every 5 seconds when you are talking, Get a J.O.B. dawg, Quit having children out of wedlock and you (rather than me) pay for their subsistence, Then, respek is yours. Otherwise, never gonna happen.

  79. My comments were removed because they were critical of the behavior of some blacks. White people are sorry as can be. Let’s see if this gets removed. Confederate flag today, what is the whining point tomorrow? Name another street after MLK, Jr., Al Sharpton or Jesse?

  80. The headline is an excellent example of subtle satire! Good job!

  81. When discussing the Confederate Battle Flag (CBF) I wish you and others whom should know better would stop referring to it as the “Stars and Bars”. That name properly belongs to the first national flag of the Confederacy.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America The CBF was never an official flag of the government, but served as a guidon for some Confederate armies in the field, to avoid friendly fire incidents, which had happened when the Stars and Bars was used early in the war. The CBF was hi-jacked by white supremicists in the 50s and 60s to oppose the civil rights struggle, an action true Southerners should have resisted. (The usurpation of the CBF, not the civil rights fight). My ancestors fought under the CBF in the Army of Northern Virginia. They owned no slaves, but felt their state was being invaded.

  82. I wish the rest of planet Earth could be like South Carolinian’s are since the flag came down. We are ALL walking around arm-in-arm holding candles and signing Kumbaya – Oh what a glorious new age it is!

  83. There is no discussion here; only censorship. My comments are erased before you can read them. Boycott this site.

  84. Alleged Comment

    Imagine that?

    All the time it was the flag and not a fag. We didn’t have to elect an illegal unqualified feral negro sodomite the past 7 years.

    Awwwghhh, look at all the trouble we could of saved ourselves!!

  85. Nothing is going to Change blacks will always hate us white people

  86. The Great Unspoken truth , The Union from 1860 to thirteen months after the Civil War Ended ,practiced Slavery.
    President Abraham Lincoln prior to the Emancipation (just for the rebelling states), made overtures to the states that left the Union, return and you can keep your slaves, those states declined, The fact is there were slave states such as Delaware that stayed loyal to the Union. In the South most folks could not afford to keep themselves let alone a slave, that was an expense, thus the numbers range between 3 to 5 % of the population in the South owned slaves, by the way a Black Man owned the most slaves in the south the figure was around 236 people, men women and children. the fact is slavery was and is wrong and goes against God’s will. Slavery needed to ended. Having said that there were large communities, in fact whole counties in the Deep South that opposed slavery and opposed leaving the union and many of these families sent there men to fight for the Union, But the Civil War the fact is was not just about slavery, it was about the direction of our nation and our economy and quite frankly replacing one form of slavery for another. The biggest battle though was the theft of the Republic and being replaced with an ever powerful central government ! As for this piece of trash that murdered nine innocent people, go piece of steel, or piece of cloth made him go out and murder people, it was him ! that was it. As per the Confederate Battle Flag, There where white men and red Men and Black Men who fought for and died for that flag ! That is why I say restore that flag for those who gave heir all, They helped make America more than any of us fat Ass’s will ever do !

  87. It seems there’s very little excuse necessary for these lunatics to assign “racism” to something INANIMATE! The damn flag didn’t shoot those 9 people – the lunatic Roof did. But, now watch closely here …. will these same gutless wonders execute this barbarian? Hell no. He’ll get 3 hots, a cot and television, book rights, maybe even a movie deal. THAT’S THE AMERICAN WAY!!!!!

  88. Robbert Hoekstra Azusa

    Removal of
    the flag has cured Racism? Dr. Martin Luther King struggled and died for the dream
    that someday the sons and daughters of former slaves and those of former slave owners
    will be breaking bread at the same table. With his “dreams FROM his father”,
    his hate and rage Agenda of REVENGE and in the interest of his own political
    ambition Hussein Obama has rekindled racism and overshadowed Dr. Martin Luther
    King’s dream instead. It may have pacified
    the politicians and activists. It did not cure racism, it only increased his
    dictatorship. Just look at the dictatorships in Africa.

  89. “Taking the flag down” is part of a larger agenda, ultimately to do away with free speech altogether, and allow only ‘correct’ speech. Specifically, it’s a part of a move to outlaw ‘hate speech,’ identified as anything that ‘offends’ the Left. Can’t speak against same-sex marriage: hate speech. Can’t speak against the LGBT+ ‘movement’ in any way, shape or form: hate speech. Can’t speak in revisionism of the Holocaust: hate speech. Can’t speak against the Dear Leader: hate speech. Can’t speak against mandatory vaccinations, or climate change: because the prevailing mentality says so.

    It’s been coming for a while. It was what was behind the shelving of phonics – when children could learn to read by themselves – and the enthronement of the ‘whole word’ method, where only prescribed ‘whole words’ would be allowed into their vocabulary, and proscribed words, by definition, deleted; and therefore the activity associated with it eliminated from the social construct, you see. As someone put it: ‘He who controls the language controls the argument.’ It’s a form of mind control. A/k/a slavery.

    The liberals are big on its application. But don’t be confused by political labels, of ‘the Left’ and ‘the Right’. Many people on the so-called Right are on the side of the statist New World Order; whereby they want, and mean, to make of the whole world one big gulag. Coming to a community near you.

    • ” Many people on the so-called Right are on the side of the statist New
      World Order; whereby they want, and mean, to make of the whole world one
      big gulag. Coming to a community near you.”

      well at least I know idiots are still alive and breathing.

      BUT, I will give you credit for not using the word “communist” in your little rant.

      where do you people get this vomit AND WHY do you believe IT?

      • Ever hear of a Theocratic Government? Check out the Qur’an, Surah 2:216 “Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah knows, while you know not.” And check out Surah 8:39 “And fight them until there is no fitnah and religion, all of it, is for Allah.”

        • You still have to explain why the Muslims have been creatively quiet for the past few hundred years, if this was their goal from inception in the 7th century.

          and then there is the 500 million of them in the far east who don’t seem to read the same parts you Muslim haters read.
          or are they waiting for the “right day” to attack?

          logic dictates that the radicals are twisting the meaning, something often done by say,
          THE CHRISTIANS.

          now if Muslims did this consistently, you would have grounds, but they don’t, leaving you with Muslim haters picking and choosing the parts of the Koran they like to justify the HATRED they are building so the WAR MACHINE can keep spending MONEY for the 1% to get rich.
          .
          also something Christians do.(pick and choose)

        • “Theocratic Government” is what many Christians think the US IS,
          based on how they like to force their Christian views on others.
          Iran is a Theocratic Government.

  90. YOU THINK YOU REALLY WANT TO BELIEVE THAT STATEMENT ???

  91. So, from now on, we will not be seeing race riots and race baiters like Sharpton and Jackson in SC anymore!

    All black thugs will be lining up for jobs.

    • first the GOP need to bring the factories back that they let leave.
      THEN we will have some jobs for them.

      • Yeah, the GOP taxed them right out of the Country. No. Wate. The Demowitts were in control. It must have been them! YEAH! IT WAS!

        • Did you look that up?
          no you didn’t and now I have to make fun of you, low info con.

          by now Aubrey, you should know the liberal is well informed.

          the GOP had the control of BOTH houses from 95 until 07
          EXCEPT for a 50/50 Senate in 01 for 2 years.
          and a GOP pres. sop WHO should have looked out for the missing jobs?
          maybe the administration.

          considering you cons blame Obama if the sun doesn’t shine, you cons are sure ready to give the GOP and GW a PASS.

          no hypocrisy there con.

        • so when did you start hitting the bottle?

  92. The federal government and black leaders will never allow racism to die. Why is it so hard for you to see that? Government is driving more people to become racists every day. Liberals don’t want a color blind society, they love the problems they create so more people will turn to government to solve their problems. As usual, when government intervenes, things get progressively worse.

  93. A little history about Slavery and such: July 11, 2015

    Slavery has existed in the world, certainly, from the beginning of recorded history and is still practiced in some countries today.

    Slavery was the norm in, what is now the United States, from 1619 through the revolution and the “Civil War”. During that war, in January 1863, the “Emancipation Proclamation” freed the slaves only for those states “in rebellion”.

    Slavery was abolished in the Northern states, after the war was over, by the 13th
    amendment to the Constitution on December 6, 1865. For twelve years, the South was occupied by the Northern forces who installed their selected people in the positions of power and who ostensibly voted for the amendment. This period was called “Reconstruction.”

    The Civil War was initiated specifically to save the Union but, when the people of the North were growing increasingly opposed to the cost, the war was further justified by claiming it was to free the slaves. The War cost the country an estimated 750,000 to 850,000 people dead and probably 3,000,000 maimed. Four and one half million slaves were officially freed by this slaughter and the Union was
    saved! Oh, by the way, according to Prof. Robertson, a respected historian from Virginia Tech, “fully half of the men in the South were killed or crippled” in the process.”

    For the entire time of the European settlement of the “New World”, the Native Americans were pushed further and further to the west. First they were confined to reservations, then, they were moved to other land when the reservation land proved to be too valuable for, what the federal government called, “vermin”.

    Following the Civil War, the great humanitarians of the United States unleashed its massive army to exterminate the remaining vermin. There were not enough left alive to make much of a fuss.

    Between 1846 and 1849, the United States waged a war with Mexico in order to accomplish the “Manifest Destiny” that was claimed to be its divine right. As a result, Mexico was deprived of an enormous land mass including what is now California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and part of Colorado.

    Now, self righteous, self serving politicians and the grievance industry insist on removing the history of the Southern rebellion against the tyranny of the federal
    government. It is all reminiscent of the Soviet Union’s purges of their own history.

    While we are at the business of destroying all remnants of the Southern Confederacy, perhaps we should also destroy all the embarrassing reminders of United States history. The Soviet Union was very good at destroying the reminders of their history.

    My Great Grandfather fought for the North in the Civil War. His brother fought for the South. Nobody in my family ever owned slaves, nor did more than 95% of the Southern population. I voluntarily served in the US Army because I believed it was my duty to give something back to my country.

    The United States is my country, the country that I have loved all my life. Now, it is being torn apart by this cowardly surrender to every little group that has a grievance, groups that will never be satisfied!

    Neville Chamberlain tried to appease the Nazis. The results were not good!

    Sincerely,

    John K. Wayne

  94. Taking down the Confederate flag further empowers race baiters.

  95. It’s nice that people just want to get along.. Peace, harmony, tranquility.. The various races though are a reality, they exist, they continue.. But no one wants to be overrun or bred out of existence, or mistreated by some new ‘majority’.. An indifferent or possibly hostile ‘new majority’ should be quite unacceptable to most Americans today [ 2015 ] .. A new discrimination is already taking place, and it is widespread.. ‘They’ want us to die or disappear, inevitably, without protest or a fuss.. But those who value life and existence should not simply lay down and die.. The powers that be do want us to totally surrender and die forever, and that is unfortunate.. Pride in self is justifiable and good as it reflects numerous good works and admirable successes.. Surrender is a dishonorable and loathsome thing, self preservation is a natural and desirable thing.. May we all survive to see another new century, and far beyond.. Or, we’re all gonna end up being various shades of gray, a sad end to the world, without gay colors, so to speak.. PIE in the Sky 0201..

  96. MuslimLuvChrist

    the only racists are the people crying racism

  97. While I proudly “fly” the First National Confederate Flag as a decal on my truck bumper right next to my Texas A&M tag, I was never stimulated to fly the Confederate Battle Flag until now. I believe I will raise it up higher than the U.S. Flag my wife insists she fly in the back yard, even if I have to buy a new pole. At the age of nearly 78, I have watched the United States disintegrate thanks to spineless politicians and I no longer give a damn about “Old Glory.” There’s no glory in it for me. In fact, its history representing liberty and justice for all is pretty poor, the revolution and WWII excepted.

  98. That move in SC has had the opposite effect that they are proclaiming…thanks to SOJH, racism is reignited…everywhere…and underground…not because the blacks and whites hate each other but because of the deliberate move by the present adm and the democrats to control the people via fear..

  99. This artical said Libs will just get bored and move on to something else after this flag thing is over. NO, Libs don’t just get bored and move on. They know exactly what they are doing. They are NOT just LIBS. They are COMMUNISTS implimenting the COMMUNIST AGENDA peice by peice. Part of their SICK EVIL AGENDA is tearing down AMERICAN HISTORY. We LEARN from history, we don’t pretend it NEVER HAPPEND. COMMUNIST want to ELIMINATE our history as they want to ELIMINATE GOD from AMERICAN LIFE. That’s what this is all about. ELIMINATING AMERICA. Please google and read ( Communist Goals 1963 Congressional Record ). This shows 45 of the goals of the COMMUNIST PARTY. They will show you exactly what is happening in our country. Believe me, they know what their doing.

    • you fools and your commies.

      Tell me con, is there one under you bed right now?

      Europe has been pretty socialist for decades, BUT they don’t seem to be getting any closer to communism

      but this moron thinks we are going commie any day now.
      is this part of the con plan, “Say it enough times and it will come true”
      THAT is a fairy tale silly human.

      what’s you proof of the Commie take over, low IQ human?
      something written in the 60’s?

      I am going to guess you are one of the old farts FROM the 60’s who’s brain is fried
      from too many years of Rush Limpdick.

      • Open your freaking eyes you IDIOT. That’s all I have to say to BLIND fools like you. And by the way, who the hell wants to be like Europe? Why the hell don’t you move there if it’s so great. I prefur FREEDOM, even though it’s almost gone in this country. There are still enough of us who recognize that FACT and will fight for it to the death if need be. You and your IGNORANT LIB friends will only end up destroying yourselves in the long run.

        • And by the way, I didn’t say I wanted to live in EU, less than comprehensive reader.
          I said:

          Europe has been pretty socialist for decades, BUT they don’t seem to be getting any closer to communism.

          BIG DIFF, even for a small con mind.

        • “I prefur FREEDOM, even though it’s almost gone in this country.”

          almost gone? really moron?

          tell me ONE freedom you have lost.

        • no one said any thing about moving to the EU silly con.

          ” I prefur FREEDOM, even though it’s almost gone in this country.”

          what freedom has the cons lost?

          “You and your IGNORANT LIB friends will only end up destroying yourselves in the long run.”

          I am guessing the low info meat sack does not know that the LIBS ran the country for 50 years after the great depression.

          your obviously an idiot.

          • And where do you get your history from? For your info, since you don’t pay attention to anything but your own little fantacy world. The Great Depression in America ended around 1940. If the LIBS ran the country for 50 years after that than who was Dwight Esenhower ? Was he not President from 1953-1961? Was he not a conservative Republican ? Your 50 years of LIBS running the country would take us to the 90’s. I think there was a guy named NIXON in there and another Repub. named REAGAN. That takes us to about 1988. I count 3 Republican Administrations in that time span. I have a feeling I’m talking to a complete uninformed IDIOT. In fact I know I am.

          • congress runs the country, passes the bill , sets the budget.
            Lib controlled congress for 50 years.
            had you done a shred of research you wouldn’t be as ignorant.

            when you learn how the government works, get back to me.

          • “Was he not a conservative Republican ?”
            in today’s world he would be a flaming liberal

          • I am now going to show the IDIOT con just how friggin OUT of IT, it is.

            “Today in America, unions have a secure place in our
            industrial life. Only a handful of reactionaries harbor the ugly thought of
            breaking unions and depriving working men and women of the right to join the
            union of their choice. I have no use for those — regardless of their political
            party — who hold some vain and foolish dream of spinning the clock back to
            days when organized labor was huddled, almost as a hapless mass. Only a fool
            would try to deprive working men and women of the right to join the union of
            their choice.—Dwight D. Eisenhower

            http://laborquotes.weebly.com/presidential-quotes.html

  100. All the political theater involving the Confederate Flag is just a lame attempt to distract from the real issue of racism itself. Hate and racism have become nothing more than tool’s that are constantly used to try keep the nation divided.

    • one of the worst offenders is THIS website.
      well Right Wing Propaganda in general.

      show me some liberal racism, if you dare.

  101. The civil war had really nothing to do with slavery. If you look at true history, not this revamped liberal crap. You will see that the succession of the Southern states and the Conferderate States of America, was due to economics and policies toward the southern people. The north become tyrants and oppressive against the southern states, and become ignored by the other leaders of congress, house and executive branch.
    They stood up and said we are not going to take this from you, just like King George, they revolted….slavery was just a part of it. Not the true reasons of the CIVIL WAR……
    The flag removal should of been left up to the residents of SOUTH CAROLINA, its their flag, their destiny. If they felt it was time to remove it, then fine, they should of voted on it, not the leaders of the state, it only creates division.

    • here is Georgia’s letter of secession.
      Notice that slavery is mentioned twice in the second sentence.
      “The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with
      the Government of the United States of America, present to their
      confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation.
      For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of
      complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with
      reference to the subject of African slavery”

      http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html

      so tell me again what the civil war was about?

      I await YOUR LINKS.
      keep the flapping gums. got plenty of those.

  102. Will taking down the flag stop the Knockout Game, blacks raping white women, riots, lootings? Will it stop Sharpton from defending thugs, killers and miscreants?

  103. I’m so thankful that a RINO finally stood up and put a stop to racism. Things are better already!

  104. This is not ending racism. This is adding fuel to the fire. The race baiters make their living from encouraging racism so it will only get worse and of course obama is encouraging it also. He is very much a racist and a sociopath.

    • so post a statement from Obama that is inciting racism, MARY.

      shouldn’t be hard since you cons think it’s constant.

      I am betting Mary will cop out with some lame excuse.

      Oh, I see he’s a sociopath as well.

      so some example of that, provided you know the meaning of that word.

  105. The thing that makes me uncomfortable with an official display of the Confederate flag is not the racism issue, but the fact that the Confederate States of America was a defeated military power. We won – they lost. See below for two other examples of “battle flags” (naval ensigns, in these examples). Both are from the World War II era. The German naval ensign was flown from warships such as the Bismarck and Tirpitz. The “Rising Sun” ensign was flown from the Yamato and many others. The swastika is now illegal to display within Germany, but the Rising sun ensign is currently flown by Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force warships. Is the Japanese ensign “racist?” Maybe we should all gang up now on Japan and have their “symbol of the Bataan Death March” repealed. Many people in China and South Korea today view this flag as a symbol of Japanese imperialism, along with American combat veterans who still survive the Pacific campaign. Should we honor them and demand Japan repeal their “battle flag?” How about it? Let’s hear it for moral consistency!

  106. The more that bullies are catered to, the more bullying will be done. Flags being removed, bodies of Confederates being moved, and statues of them being sold (in Tennessee), and God knows what else. The more they get away with, the more they’re gonna demand.

  107. It takes a warped mind to accuse an inanimate object for racism. Only a fool would think that doing away with a flag would negate racism. Totally stupid!

  108. Oh Yes !!! We all know that racisim can be cured by the removal of flags ! Exactly what flags were being flown in the 1600’s and 1700’s when slavery began ? Well, one was the Spanish Flag, another the Dutch Flag, another the Portuguese Flag. None of them were the Stars and Bars. Should we ban all of those aforementioned flags as well?

  109. We cannot cure racism until the historically racist party…DEMOCRATS retire the name that practiced and fought for slavery, passed Jim Crow laws, opposed anti-Lynching laws, segregation, poll taxes, literacy tests for voting, opposed Civil Right Bills, created the Confederacy AND its battle flag. That very name is a hate word. Abolish it, and all will be well.

    • Dems also lived in the north silly.

      try this “theory” again.

      perhaps abolishing the word “confederate” or something similarly stupid.

      • Of course there were a few Dems in the north. They almost all supported the South. Others sympathized, but wanted to keep the Union. Get YOUR facts straight. Dems did all those thing all by themselves. Now they pretend they didn’t, like you. GIVE UP that EVIL hate-promoting name. Choose something else.

        • I am not pretending the Dems didn’t do it, fool.
          You think I am a stupid con or something?

          the Dems did not get a heart until the depression in the 20’s and that is when the GOP became evil. Get YOUR facts straight.
          and YES the Dems had a conservative side who started the KKK, well they did that before the libs got invovled.
          Get YOUR facts straight low info human.

          The Dems held congress for 50 years.
          they must have been so liberal to get all those votes.

  110. This is just the beginning
    The career race baiters are never satisfied. Apparently white southerners aren’t allowed to have a heritage.

    • how exactly did taking down the Battle flag of North Virginia from the state capital equate to your loss of Heritage?

      • her’it.age n. that which is inherited, legacy; physical, mental, social, or spiritual status into which one is born. This according to my vest pocket Webster.

        • Unlike most cons, I know the definition.
          I did not know there were no museums in SC.
          THAT is were it was taken. THAT is where historical things belong.

          there are battle flags all over SC, just not the capital bldg

          those flags don’t count?

  111. UNTIL AMERICA GROWS UP ANOTHER 100 YEARS YOU BETTER GET ACCUSTOM TO LIVING WITH RACISM! IT’S THE ONE THING WE CAN CHANGE, BUT WE REFUSE TO LISTEN TO OUR HEARTS!

  112. I have found that young blacks are the most racist around, how will removing a flag cure that? Usually the person screaming racism is the true racist. He who passes gas while setting smells it first.

    • Ya June,
      I am sure the old con woman has a number of black acquaintance.

      tell me how you got this first hand experience.

  113. A petion should be signed to change Martin Luther King streets because every time I see one it makes me think of racism! How many whites have died due to the knockout game? More than 9.

  114. South Carolina did not solve racism and if anything Nikki Hickie caused more tensions to America erasing Historical items that had nothing to do with slavery and racism period…The North owned slaves and was racist just like they do today! They support allowing racist groups to exist and to cause trouble and do not do one
    thing to stop it. Obama and his butt buddies have been pushing the racist buttons
    and it probably will come back to haunt him big time! The blacks that allow Obama
    and others to push their buttons are the ones the big guys use to do their dirty work
    against humanity! Get real!

  115. i put more flags up and installed a flag pole with one on it!!!

  116. I have just mail ordered a dozen Stars and Bars flags for future use. My present flag has been flying for years and is worn out. What next??? The thought police??? Where I live, this kinka fed and state crap doesn’t mean anything to us. Old Dixie will forever be remembered.

  117. I do not believe I have ever read anything more stupid : South Carolina Removes Flag Cures Racism. There is no racism in any piece cloth. it is buried deeply in the hearts of man, both black and white. Racism is not a white race thing, any longer, it grows and thrives in both the black and the white hearts, with Al Sharpton and Obama leading out, in stirring up hatred between the races, they feed on race hatred for the white man and whine about being the victims.

    OUR GOD AND OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIS,T IS PURE LOVE AND MADE ALL RACES, AND LOOKS AT THE HEART OF EVERY PERSON. WHEN WE GIVE HIM OUR HEART THAT TAKES ALL BLACK AWAY,

    If we could only remember that what GOD knows about us and try to make HIM proud of us, by living according to HIS rules, we have won the race.

  118. WE NEED TO STOP FEEDING THE MONKEYS! FIRST IT WAS AID’S THEN IT WAS EBOLA, WAKE UP AMERICA!

  119. Now that the stars and bars are gone, if we could just get that pesky S off of all of the compasses, all racism would be gone.

  120. seersuckerandapanama

    The race baiters and liberal hucksters were aghast over how we here in South Carolina cared so little about the racist crime in Charleston that we didn’t even burn down one CVS drug store. Instead, we of all races held hands together and prayed and actually tried to practice what was preached in the AME church in Charleston. So, some veteran rioters who have campaign ribbons from Ferguson and Baltimore carpetbagged their way to Charleston to see if they could start something. They failed. Yay! Therefore, South Carolina is being pilloried via the usual liberal knee-jerk pap and our citizens’ civilized response is ignored and the Confederate flag distraction gets the headlines.

  121. As Long as people like Sharpton, Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Jackson and Holder are alive there will be the need for a Confederate Flag. And it has nothing to do with Racism. Tyrants and corruption fueled the need the first time, just like today.

  122. that never solved anything… all it done was give in to a bunch of people that will just go on to try to start trouble somewhere else… all taking down a flag was for political purposes …that’s all racisam is in people not objects….
    when will people understand that all that done was lose part of our history

  123. Things like this will NEVER end until every founding document and reference to God is destroyed by all the atheists, anarchists, racists, and secular humanists. But by then, God will intervene and, we the Christians, will be called home. Then, God will have the final say in all matters.

  124. These low-life racists who want to change our history and degrade the Southern states are evil sick puppies. I am ashamed of South Carolina and its governor. They did not stand up, and allowed the racists to win another one.

  125. You never ended racism, you have tried to delete history. History should be preserved. My family fought under both flags. When Obama leaves office we will have that flag back. You don’t understand racism is not created by over a 100 yr old flag. It’s humans. You cannot dig up graves remove memorials on graves, when that starts perhaps, since Arlington is the home of Robert E. lee, the fist grave that should be dug up is JFK, we will snuff out the eternal flame as is sits on a southerners home. You have only stirred a hornets net. There is no racism in my heart, however as God as my witness you are placing some there now, Return the flag and leave all southern landmarks alone.

  126. The American flag flew over a slave nation for over 100 years. The Confederate flag flew over a slave nation for four years. By comparison, the American flag is 25 times more a slave flag.
    WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS THE NEXT TO GO OUR AMERICAN FLAG???

  127. Haley, I thought she was a true CONSERVATIVE, Republican but she is NOT!…. she came here from another country and DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF OUR UNITED STATES, OF AMERICA. She thinks…. she does!! and she DOES NOT! TAKING DOWN THAT FLAG, to appease others is FORGETTING ABOUT ALL THOSE WHO SHE HAS NOW OFFENDED AND CONFOUNDED! THEIR ANCESTORS …. DIED, FOR THAT FLAG AND IT HAS PRECIOUS MEANING. Nikki, is NOT a CONSERVATIVE WOMAN — NO MATTER WHAT SHE SAYS… All the ones who are giving in to so Many, now… at the expense of others…. HAVE A LOT TO LEARN !!

  128. Michael Dennewitz

    If everyone walking by kept kicking my ankle, sooner or later I would have one hell of an attitude! You get my drift? All my life, I’ve heard nothing but “we be gittin stepped on fo 200 years,” and if there’s any racism involved, it’s THEM trying to cram this shit down everyone’s throat that’s generating racism!! Send all the bastards to Kenya and be done with it all!!!

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