Rev. Graham: Government Officials Have Right to Their Beliefs

Rev. Franklin Graham said this week that Americans were called upon to demand that government officials be allowed to practice their religious beliefs without interference. In a Facebook post, Graham shined a light on the case of Ruth Neely, a Wyoming judge who had fallen afoul of the PC police. Noting that Neely had “faithfully served her community in Pinedale, Wyoming for 21 years,” Graham explained how one reporter’s question derailed her career.

“One day a reporter asked if she was excited about performing same-sex marriages,” Graham said. “Judge Neely expressed that she had not been asked to perform one and that she would be unable to do so based on her Biblical beliefs about marriage.

“Her statement was published in a local paper — and then the Wyoming Commission on Judicial Conduct and Ethics recommended she be fined $40,000 and fired from two judicial positions!

“Thankfully, this week the Wyoming Supreme Court rejected the Commission’s recommendation and ruled that she could continue serving. This religious cleansing of public officials with religious beliefs about marriage should be challenged on every front,” Graham contended.

In the cited case, the Wyoming Supreme Court said that while Neely violated judicial conduct code, it was not necessary to remove her from office. In the decision, the court ruled that Neely “must perform her judicial functions, including performing marriages, with impartiality. She must either commit to performing marriages regardless of the couple’s sexual orientation, or cease performing all marriage ceremonies.”

So while this case is a “win” in terms of Neely’s specific career, it just shows you that liberal activism is still winning inside our judicial system. There will continue to be people like Neely and Kim Davis, as well as people like the Christian florists and bakers who have been fined for refusing to participate in gay wedding ceremonies. Not until the Supreme Court rules that religious freedom is more important that whatever LGBT trend of the day might bring will we see sanity restored to the justice system.

We’d like to think that day is coming soon, but we fear the trend is heading in the other direction.

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  1. Let the gays have their unions. Let them debate with God about Marriage.

    • There was me thinking Jesus advocated peace, love, understanding and forgiveness. I thought it was God that judged – are you God?

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      • Actually God demand to teach His and follow His word. Standing by ones religious beliefs or voicing them is not judging it is following God’s law. God also demand man follow man’s law UNLESS it goes against His law. The Bible instructs government on laws. The forefathers of this country wrote the Bill of Rights and the Constitution with the Bible as a guide. History has shown many times the many quotes and letters from these men and the importance of following these laws. As a human we are going to judge, we are going to sin. Thankfully God made sure we are forgiven IF one believes and accepts Jesus. We’re not God so we will continue to sin which includes judging. Teaching or voicing ones belief, again, is not judging.

      • GODBlessRealAmerica!

        We judge the actions of Liberal Racist Democrackhead atheist thugs who spread hatred, lies and propaganda against our Great powerful President! You can’t touch him!

      • I love when you guys try to use our beliefs against us. You show precious little peace, love, understanding or forgiveness trying to force your lifestyle down everyone else’s, and particularly their children’s throats. And no, Jesus would not have stood aside and allowed what he believed to be a wrong to continue. He loves the sinner, hates the sin. We don’t want to judge anybody. We just don’t want to be forced to go against our beliefs, common sense, reality and biology in a country that is supposed to be free, until liberals lost their minds and decided to start compelling people to participate in their growing madness. I guess it’s never occurred to you, because you believe yourself to be in the ‘right’, but less than one percent of the population legally compelling the other 99 could backfire in a big way. When people get tired of watching you put eight year old boys in dresses and curls and deliriously celebrate their ‘choice’ to become a ‘girl’. It’s a dangerous path you’ve chosen, because you aren’t the only ones who can use our legal system.

        • So very interesting that your criticism of Biblical beliefs by Christians is exactly what you are doing against us — except you accept evil over good and take our freedoms away from us. Look in the mirror and see yourself as you really are; a hypocrite.

        • I sent my reply to the wrong person; you are right and I apologize. You are absolutely correct.

        • I don’t recall Jesus giving a crud. Actually I’m in the category of ambivalent – who cares? Fairies meant more girls for me was my policy. An’ 1% aren’t compelling anything – the First amendment expects folk to accept others for what they are, you just don’t have to like it.

          • Do you even know what the first amendment is? They aren’t compelling anything? Seriously, your post reads as if it was written by a child.

          • “The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, ensuring that there is no prohibition on the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble………..”

            So, if it ain’t illegal it’s okay, if you don’t like it walk away. Duh!

          • So you read the first part on Wikipedia. You don’t seem to have a very firm grasp of it’s meaning though do you? And your last sentence, Your ‘community’ is the one doing everything in it’s power to ensure that no one can ‘walk away’.

          • The only community I belong to is the town I live in – that aside I’m merely correcting your ignorance, I have no opinion just facts.

        • “But the Christian story of God the Father putting his son to death, or employing people to do it (for that is the plain language of the story) cannot be told by a parent to a child; and to tell him that it was done to make mankind happier and better is making the story still worse — as if mankind could be improved by the example of murder; and to tell him that all this is a mystery is only making an excuse for the incredibility of it. How”
          ― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

          • If that’s what you, and Thomas Paine took from one of the most beautiful, inspirational stories in human history, then I feel very sorry for you, although I doubt very much you know the whole story. You’re probably like most who criticize religion, Christianity in particular, because it’s currently in vogue. You read a bit of extremely selective and biased propaganda, pronounce yourself an expert and then proceed to smugly condemn. The age of reason, sounds more like the age of conceited, cynical arrogance. Perfect for liberals.

          • Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind, and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded prospect.
            [Letter to William Bradford Jr. April 1 1774]”
            ― James Madison, Letters and Other Writings of James Madison Volume 3

          • He was speaking about government sponsored religion. He aslo said “Before a man can consider himself a member of good civil society, he must first consider himself a subject of the Governor of the universe.”, which means the man must be a believer in God. Need to study more before you post.

          • We must be interpreting the same information differently; he is correct that America’s Civil Liberties protected us from the Religious Zealots of any, (and many), faiths:


            “…I believe they lost footing by it and the bad name they still have with those who pretend too much contempt to examine into their principles and Conduct and are too much devoted to the ecclesiastical establishment to hear of the Toleration of Dissentients, I am apprehensive, will be again made a pretext for rejecting their requests. The Sentiments of our people of Fortune & fashion on this subject are vastly different from what you have been used to. That liberal catholic and equitable way of thinking as to the rights of Conscience, which is one of the Characteristics of a free people and so strongly marks the People of your province is but little known among the Zealous adherents to our Hierarchy. We have it is true some persons in the Legislature of generous Principles both in Religion & Politicks but number not merit you know is necessary to carry points there. Besides[,] the Clergy are a numerous and powerful body[,] have great influence at home by reason of their connection with & dependence on the Bishops and Crown and will naturally employ all their art & Interest to depress their rising Adversaries; for such they must consider dissenters who rob them of the good will of the people and may in time endanger their livings & security.
            You are happy in dwelling in a Land where those inestimable privileges are fully enjoyed and public has long felt the good effects of their religious as well as Civil Liberty. Foreigners have been encouraged to settle amg. you. Industry and Virtue have been promoted by mutual emulation and mutual Inspection, Commerce and the Arts have flourished and I can not help attributing those continual exertions of Gen[i]us which appear among you to the inspiration of Liberty and that love of Fame and Knowledge which always accompany it. Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprize every expanded prospect. How far this is the Case with Virginia will more clearly appear when the ensuing Trial is made.”

      • lol…typical liberal…hearing things that no one said. Where did he say he was God? He said let them have their unions…and that’s about the extent of it. Pretty much like you stupid pukes marching because of President Trump’s immigration policy.. Yeah, his policy is to follow the laws that are written. Deport ILLEGALS ….yep, to much for you asswipes to follow the law. Then there’s the women’s march…nothing’s changed except WE shouldn’t have to fund anything that is really considered murder by most accounts…just so a woman that can’t either take precautions gets a government funded abortion. You all take the cake for audacity.

        • “lol…..typical” moron. Not a liberal: asked if he was God, didn’t say he was. Words in whose mouth? No marching – don’t care. However most of Trump’s missives so far have been garbage and don’t have any power. He can’t build a wall as their is no Act to enforce and that is all EO’s can do – no, Obama did not go beyond that remit. On the bright side abortion means there are 60 million less American’s on welfare.

          • Sorry, your wrong on the wall…it’s already passed a long time ago, just hasn’t been done. A mandate i.e. Executive order it can now be executed. I don’t care whether they get abortions I just don’t want to pay for them…unless I can be the abortioner….lol…I’m thinking 308. Just get rid of the whole oven.

          • The Bill that was passed has been completed. The Finish the Fence Bill failed twice in the House – so nothing to support.
            There is, I believe, a new Bill in motion but debate, voting still to come.

      • “Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law.”
        ― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

        • However, Christianity is NOT a religion — it is a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ totally through His grace. Religion is the devil’s ace trump and totally against God’s grace.

        • The first war in the name of religion was the Crusades – fail!

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            Now Satan sit down before we cast you in the Liberal pit!

          • LIAR! The Crusades was about freeing the Holy Land from the Muslims and not religion. Study more.

          • The Crusades were instigated by the Pope Urban II – the Middle East may have had Muslim leaders but was secular as most of it still remains today. Fail! The Pope urging made it a religious entity.

      • I’m not God either but I can tell you what He said in His Word: Romans 1:21-32 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections; for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrightousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity, whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful. Who knowing the judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

        Yes, God advocated peace, love, understanding and forgiveness. He died on the cross and rose again to save us from our sins, this is where forgiveness comes in. He didn’t die so that we could continue in our sins and think he will just wink at it and say go ahead, all’s well. It doesn’t work that way. We are to repent and turn from our sins and homosexuality is a sin. God called it an abomination.
        Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

        God loves the sinner but hates the sin, He is a Holy God. We are to strive to live like Christ and are to be examples of Him to the world. If we don’t stand for what He has said in His word, we are against Him. I’d rather stand with Him.

        • Yes, and if you are a sinner to the LAST SECOND of your life, you CAN repent, ask forgiveness, and BE forgiven by Him, and YOU WILL go to Heaven.

          • Yes, I believe that if the person is sincerely repentant, God will forgive them at the last moment, but do you really want to chance that? I don’t.

          • It is not a matter of what you or I believe. It is a matter of the truth, and that is what the Word says.

            I don’t even know how many unknowing sins I commit each day, but I sure am glad there is a Father who forgives them, past, present, and future.

          • I must agree. God bless you and yours.

        • Don’t think Jesus overly bothered about fairies – maybe he became a liberal or he was gay or he figured being ugly there’d be more choice of female for him if fairies were allowed?

          • Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
            Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
            This is my last response to you. I will pray for you that you turn to God and repent while there is still time.

          • Pathetic. One should note that the whole idea was stolen from the Indus Valley by better salesmen. Drivel!

          • Irreverent& Though technically quite likely; monotheism was in Indus Valley before and trade already established. “Better salesmen!”

          • You are very kind and patient. Thank you for your attempts to save this person.

          • Thank you for your kind comments. I look back 44 years ago when my sister kept inviting me to go with her to church and I kept telling her no, and she prayed and didn’t give up on me. I finally told her that I would go with her once and if I didn’t like it, I never wanted to hear anything else about it again. I went with her once to basically shut her up, felt the presence of God and although I didn’t understand it, I loved it and on my 3rd visit was baptized in Jesus name and received the Holy Ghost. I no longer go to church but I do pray daily and read the Bible daily. I’ve failed God many times these 44 years but He has never once failed me. Prayer goes a long way and as long as there is breath and life, there is hope. God bless you and yours.

          • This morning I had a technician over to replace a water heater. You knew right away he was a Christian. He was so kind and pleasant! You just know don’t you? His name was Trinity! Its such a shame those that turn their backs miss out on that wonderful feeling. No one is perfect, that’s what makes us human. We sin every day and sometimes w/o even knowing it, But for those sins we are cognisant of and repeat over and over we can’t wait until just before we die to ask forgiveness. God knows our desires and our thoughts. He knows those who plan on doing this are not truly repentant.. So, I hope you keep trying. You are truly excellent at that!

          • Again, thank you for your kindness. I’m sure that the technician recognized the Spirit of Christ in you as well, kindred spirits always know each other 🙂 Your words are true and God alone knows the heart and meets us where we are and I am so grateful for this, for His love, mercy and grace.

          • Your blasphemy is not welcome here.

          • …and under Biblical Law I’d be sentenced to death – nice! Think I’ll go with tolerant!

      • He might be, why don’t you ask him?

      • sandraleesmith46

        God judges to condemnation; but He commanded His followers to judge (discern) by the fruits as well, and to NOT be unequally yoked with unbelievers.

        • Book and psalm please.

          • sandraleesmith46

            It’s in the NT; all over it, not the psalms. However, the intent can also be found in the OT in many places as well; so I suggest you start at Genesis 1:1 and continue ’til you complete Revelation 22:21. Then you may have an understanding of what God said and meant.

          • So you’re full of poop not myself. Thanks for confirming.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Not at all; it’s simply not my job to do YOUR research!

          • ……..but to lie and deflect is? Funny! Again; not very Christian.

          • sandraleesmith46

            No, that’s what leftists do; I told you where the information is found.

          • I asked you to prove your point – you can’t because you’re talking drivel. If you had any substance you would wave it at me. Fail!

            As for lies and deflection – the Alt-right have that well and truly covered and I’ve never voted Democrat but I can see through the ludicrous drivel that the Alt-right post. Fake news is all they got!

          • sandraleesmith46

            Not my job to “prove” anything to you; it’s YOUR job to do some decent research and learn for yourself! THAT’S what adults do. And there is no “alt-right” it’s simply a made up term for a non-existent entity that the leftists dreamed up as an enemy.

          • Not a leftie.
            Never voted Democrat.
            Technically I’m a conservative, little “c”. But there’s also “C” conservative and “N” Nazi – that’s you.
            Obviously you have nothing. So I’ll offer you $10,000 to a charity of your choice for your substance. Waiting…………………………………..

          • Book and “PSALM”??????? Have you ever even opened a Bible?!

          • Yes; don’t ever recall being told to “judge”. So were?

            PS Your haircut is funny – is it supposed to be higher on my left than the other side?

      • No, that was you trying to be a wise ass and turn God’s word against His children. Just so you know, God does know “WHO” His children are – and that would not be you.

        • Well please prove your point – am pretty sure what I said was what was taught.

          • I’m positive you misinterpreted the lesson. Gays are not living according to God’s written word as expressed in our Bible. They are sinners according to the Bible. The Bible is God’s word, so they have sinned against God. Pure and simple, Gays are sinners in God’s eyes.

            It has nothing to do with humans, but is a slap in God’s face! Perhaps that is why when you tell a Gay they are sinners according to God’s word, they scteam and make a scene — trying to obliterate the fact they are sinners. It doesn’t work. They are what they are. We don’t have to judge them because God is waiting for each of them with His own punishment for going against His word. Whether they believe in Him or not — they will be judged for their sins. Amen.

          • Must be it – there was me interpreting it as peace, love, forgiveness and understanding but all the while it was hate, hate, hate. Nice! An’ we wonder why religion causes wars? Funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Again. You misinterpret things. There is NO hate, just right or wrong, sinless or sinner. As long as gays feel they can live misguided abnormal lives that the Bible calls a sin, they are committing a sin. They are the ones committing a sin. THEY are the ones choosing their sinful lifestyle over God. Humans don’t have to judge gays because God will do that. It is in God’s hands. It isn’t about hate but about choices made. Gays aren’t hated, they are pitied because they choose to have a sexual relationship with their own gender instead of following the Bible and God’s word being that “Marriage is only between a MAN and a WOMAN”.

            It’s really very easy. If a Gay chooses that lifesryle, fine, but keep away from those who do not think like you…especially Christians who view Gays as sinners. CHRISTIANS DO NOT HATE GAYS, BUT PITY THEM FOR IGNORING GOD’S WORD. HATE ISN’T IN THIS, MAKING BETTER CHOICES IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT AND NOT BEING IGNORANT ABOUT GOD’S PATH FOR US ALL. One day gays may wake up to the realization that their choice to easily cast God aside will affect their eternity…is it worth suffering for?

          • I recall Jesus being about forgiveness and understanding – you seem to have none.

            Either way, it’s for God to decide, not you surely? Are you God?

          • No; equally I’m not a sad git – suggest you check the mirror. Do you actually have anything to say or is it all just silly pictures. My 9 year old is more eloquent I suspect. An’ your pictures are just kind of boring and pathetic!

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            I have fun lol at your liberal ignorance. You are pathetic a hater and a liberal moron…
            My pictures depict the Liberal ignorance you spew..truth will set you free you Liberal fraud…..Now catch up and get some comin sense before someone does!

          • Yes He is. But who in their “right” mind would challenge God’s word just to find out? But Gays do it every day of their lives – slap God in the face and show Him His word means absolutely nothing to them! Fatal error. It’s almost as if they are possessed by the fallen Angel and no longer fear GOD’S WORD. God is NOT to be taken lightly and, as with all ill behaved children, punishment will be dealt out.

            But in the case of gays, at least THEY know why they are cast down below. Do you? Time for some heavy introspection abt what you write because it is not genuine and you truly do not care what happens to gays…you just want to argue for argument’s sake…like a webtroll. Words mean nothing but ate used like weapons. God will win no matter what you say.

            Gay’s have a chance at redemption and being saved if they’d change their lifestyle, but they won’t because lucifer controls their desires and he needs an army to try to take over our world. God knows what is happening but since He gave us FREE WILL, He doesn’t interfere hoping most will find their way back to Him. Many won’t. Many have made the wrong choices. In the end, they will perish – but that’s their choice.

            The ones who defile children will feel a more fiery eternity. God loves His flock, but some must be sacrificed to protect the whole. The Fallen Angel just wants souls any way he can get them – with so many gays walking around, he has many lost souls to chose from. Beware, he watches everyone that ignores God’s word…is that you? Absolutely!

          • Don’t think Jesus cared about fairies. Don’t think you are God’s right hand either. Nor do you have a hotline to God. Am ambivalent to gay people, if they are nice people they will be my friends, if not forget them.

            Not overly concerned about God watching, doubt he exists and my life whilst maybe not perfect is not that naughty either. Suspect that life is the here and now, not the thereafter. Either way I’ll be okay as already stated.

            As for defiling kids well that seems to be the remit of organized religion – more about power than anything else I think. None of the gay folk I know have ever been interested in children.

            You are a sad little person who portrays God as some all powerful oppressive Genie. Get a life!!!!

          • GODBlessRealAmerica!

            You are one pathetic Liberal wacko…who raised your ignorant ass they did a bad job !

        • God, it would seem wears many hats – did you mean God, Allah or Yahweh? Same bloke different underpants.

        • There’s a rubber room waiting for this guy. Wait, is there a rubber room in Hell?

          • Probably is a rubber room in Hell with his name on it. Maybe he escaped? No worries, he’s tattooed with his maker’s number and shall be found by his master.

      • So very interesting that your criticism of Biblical beliefs by Christians is exactly what you are doing against us — except you accept evil over good and take our freedoms away from us. Look in the mirror and see yourself as you really are; a hypocrite.

      • Does “Pot calling the kettle black” mean anything to you?

    • Jesus is the Word (Jn. 1.1). As the Word, Jesus is also the Word in Romans Chapter 1: verses 18-32:

      “18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

      19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

      20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

      21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

      22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

      23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.

      24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

      25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

      26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

      27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

      28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

      29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

      30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

      31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

      32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

      • Southern Patriot, I particularly like “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.” (Rom. 1:22) It is plain foolish to not be guided by God’s Word. His ways are the best.
        “The fool has said in his heart, ‘there is no God.’ ” (Psalm 14:1 a)

      • “I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. I do not mean by this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise; they have the same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.”
        ― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

    • Unfortunately if they have their Unions, what is going to stop them (Unions) from demanding to still use straight facilities? Nothing, only with a Union behind them, straight individuals will be stomped under from their organized attacks. There really needs to be a “Law” that dictates “that no one, no business, no religious institution, no school, has to accept any individual’s demands if they deviate from their beliefs”…period.

      There used to be signs on the walls of businesses (some places still have them) that said “WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DENY SERVICE TO ANYONE.” That needs to come into play for our country to get back to normal and Gays need to get over themselves and deal with other Gay businesses, not pester straight businesses because they think they can force them to accept their lifestyle…no one has to accept that lifestyle, no one! Just do NOT shove it in straight people’s faces. That pisses people off and Gays will get the wrong reaction from normally peace loving Americans.

      • Gays don’t just want people to “accept that lifestyle,” they want blanket endorsement and promotion. We must respond with as much “in your face” rejection of this blatant sin as they have done to push it at us! The squeaky wheel gets the grease, so to speak. We have to squeak more!

        • How about using a loudspeaker to blast the insanity out of Gays. We’ve tiptoed around their precious little feelings long enough. Now it’s time to get up close and personal – like a Drill Sergent! They’ve been asking for it for the last few years. So let’s let the LGTB Community know how we Christians feel. We don’t want them nor their lifestyle in our faces. Keep pushing this agenda and the outcome will be nasty. We can push back. That’s acceptable!

      • sandraleesmith46

        It’s not even just forcing their life style; it’s “easy money” they get to steal from those who disagree with them, court sanctioned.

      • unions as in civil unions, not labor unions. Just wanted to clarify.

        I have no problem with the State taxing the crap out of them, just like they do with a married couple. I also do not have problems with a gay couple visiting each other in a hospital.

        I agree, Political Correctness is a disease used by Communists to destroy societies and make that society ripe for occupation.

  2. Without a proper sense of purpose for life and behaviors which safeguard and perpetuate it, laws regarding how people must respect or treat people who do not agree with them only discriminate against life and purpose. If the purpose for licensed relationship is emotional, psychological or sexual fulfillment, everybody needs to be licensed for the benefit of government, since “equal protection” under the law is what is being sought by those who claim not to be “equal” based on proof of difference, irreconcilable difference, which they wish to be declared, legally, “equal.” If “equal” is the “same,” under the law, is it the “equality” of difference which is the same under the law?
    This is a disavowal of the proposition that “all men are created equal and that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights” among those are the right to be alienated, compelling the obligation to be alienated. That which is alien to our belief system, regardless of what our belief system is, proves the inequality of difference on the basis that it is not the same or equal. Nor would the founders have set forth such a proposition had proof of difference, with respect to equality, not been the reason justifying the basis for a new country whose entire history proves, in recurrent fashion, the utter absurdity of the intrinsic equality of all men. We have been fighting about it since colonial days. Royals, take heart, your inequality is proved.

  3. The Lib’s just can’t get their hands around the meaning of “Equal Rights”! All they really want is “Special Rights” for any and all things that gets them votes! All of the Rights in the Constitution requires “equal everything”! Will someone,anyone show me where the Constitution calls for “special rights” for anyone. Nowhere in the Constitution is it mentioned that anyone has the “right” to be liked, befriended or givens rights not also given to all others! Grow-up and learn about how life really works!

    • They are not for equal rights- they are all about Socialism/Comminism
      Totally against our constitution/ values ( Anti American)

      • No; they are for “freedom”, which is guaranteed by the First Amendment. Suck it up – being a fairy ain’t illegal. You should be fine! If not, who cares more girls for you!

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        • Boy your handle suits you– your stuck somehow on gay rights?? We are talking about liberals- you must have gay on the brain– oops you can’t have a brain if your Mr Poohead- maybe you should change that to Caboose Bandit?? When gays infringe upon my rights then that will cause most of us to rise up against their misguided
          BS. First of all Being gay is a mental disorder and no way will I condone them teaching my children, put into a leadership role period
          Especially when our constitution is based on Judea Christian values.
          It’s clear that most religions do not support Gay activists in any way.

          • Don’t really care about “gay”, just about freedom. Thankfully we are secular and LGBT have rights in Turkey and Lebanon so obviously only narrow-minded bigots that bothered. Doubt it’s a mental disorder and how do they infringe on your rights?

            I take it you meant Judea/Christian/Islam values – God/Yahweh/Allah, same guy different underpants.

          • Islam has nothing to do with our constitution. Their Koran is a piece of trash and could never be the word of God who is our Creator . The Koran advocates killing all non Muslims – more terrorist that a religious org. Move on Troll your still bleeding from getting your ass whipped.

          • God/Yahweh/Allah – same guy, different underpants. Abrahamic religions – same drivel.

            If the Quran advocates killing all non-Muslims; then are they really tardy or just damn lazy. Most of the Middle East is secular all have minorities who’ve been there a thousand plus years. Do you get out much or do you just sit in front of News4Nazis?

          • You are a piece of work – a true twisted libturd. the Dems do not serve everyday Americans; nor are they our friends who care for us! They will lie, cheat, steal, take bribes, allow our enemies to get stronger as we get weaker BY THEIR HAND, and they will destroy people or have those they consider threats to their warped version of the ‘greater good’ put ‘away’, one way or another (Vince Foster, Ron Brown and many others)! They consider God and our Constitution as obstacles to their twisted agenda as both the Diety and the Document both hold them to account for their actions. Republicans are not perfect but with our assistance we can move them to where they are serving U.S. and a greater future, one with Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness as the main points of focus! Now, if we can only get the numbers required to push back all the Illegal and terrorist voters which they are trying to add to their ill-gotten voter contingent.
            The democratic platform has done way to much dammage to our country and those within to ever trust that platform again. The icing on the cake was their selection of a devout Muslim ( OBummer) to serve as our POTUS ( Who swore to be a Christian- nonsense). And now they want to put the most corrupt and lieing candidate
To ever run – Hildabeast in charge. Their is no end to their corruption and destruction to our values/constitution/Allies. They promote: gay rights, abortion ( responsible for 100 million deaths of fetuses), athiesm ( taking God out of America),illegal immigration, Muslim immigration (people who will try to destroy our way of life- sharia law), socialism ( sponsor is Sorros), communism, ignoring our constitution ( all swore to support it before taking public office), world order/takeover, corruption, and cheating at the polls to get their ways— they are the “SATIN” within America and have lost their way. No wonder a record amount of democrats are abandoning this platform by the thousands after showing its ugly head.

            You blocked moron

          • Never voted Democrat. Very little voter fraud. God not involved in Constitution – don’t think he was there, suspect he’s been on vacation for a long time.

            Don’t think Obama Muslim – why. Both parents Christian; unlikely. LGBT, abortion – “issues” moved on from in modern countries.

            Sharia Law only exists in one country – our best friends in the Middle East; funny! So obviously not spreading. Sharia Law as bad as Biblical Law – death penalty for adultery, disobeying one’s parents, blasphemy, not being a virgin on your wedding night (girls only – nice!) and witchcraft (that’s the wife and Mother gone!). Thankfully we’ve moved on from Biblical Law!

            Soros a communist – he could buy countries. Silly comment! By that logic Hitler was a humanitarian?

          • Please do not declare falsehoods, mrpoohead. There is no death penalty for adultery, disobeying one’s parents, blasphemy or not being a virgin on one’s wedding night (girl’s only) and witchcraft. If you are such an expert on the Mosaic law and the Bible, please explain it’s applications for the 21st Century. Please explain who has the authority to practice these punishments. Please explain the spiritual ramifications in light of the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament. Please explain the letter of the law and the spirit of the law regarding these important matters. You live in the greatest country in the world. You are free to speak and make light of the sacred. However, I do not agree with what you say. You are neither speaking, nor are you explaining the truth.

          • A standing ovation for this entry! THANK YOU!

          • Your welcome – they can’t handle the truth.

          • Use it and it shuts them up every time– they can’t defend the truth.
            Keep a good library of data/ issues to call them on- works every time
            It’s ok to use someone else’s letters or research- I keep over 100 different letters / diff topics etc etc– easy to cut and paste.

          • Excellent post. I think you meant Satan, not Satin.

          • Yes – no spell checker.

          • Well, I HAVE a spell checker that doesn’t even function on some sites.
            And, according to my dictionary, it sometimes doesn’t know how to spell correctly!
            Since these sites are “conversation” sites, one or two misspelled words don’t change the content or meaning of the text anyway (or as some folk like to say “anyways.” lol

          • Talk about MORON! Your diatribe is replete with ignorance and misconception and you are too preternaturally dumb to realize it. Who is this “SATIN”? Is he/she related to polyester or silk?

          • headonstraight? more like headupyourarse! You seem to have the MORON part down in spades! You weak minded limp wrist libs keep up the good work. See how many posts you make and how many comments your allowed when you rag heads take over. You will be the FIRST to cry to mommy while the REAL Americans will continue to fight for truth and justice. Nothing yall really understand!!!

          • Did anyone notice that Mrpoohead always has only one “Like” and its himself ?! Speaks volumes, huh?

          • He’s just a Troll still bleeding from loosing and a total waste of time
            For any productive conversation or exchange of ideas– the only smart way is to block them I did.

          • “Blocking” them is my solution also!
            Look up the definition of the word “sociopath,” and you will find that is the mental disease of many Liberals that post on these sites!

          • Mary

            I have little tolerance for most liberals – especially when they show their ignorance on these sites with their dumb replies. They usually cannot defend their candidate. They cannot support their choice to support evil, corruption, and lies. The rule of common sense does not exist with most liberals– they have none! They have little or no values and appear to be so called useful robots for their fallen Party. It’s like looking at a deer in the headlights — lights are on but nobody is home.
            Why anyone would want to be a supporter of such an evil and corrupt party is beyond imagination. Many must be drug dependent, illegals,
            Gays, Racists, homeless, Communists, Socialists, atheists, terrorists, Muslims, and chriminal advocates of corruption. In my eyes all are treasonists because they have abandoned the two things that made us great-God And our Constitution. I hope every republican in power removes all democrats from their work registrars. I have grown to have total disrespect for everything they stand for- biggest losers on the planet. Is it true that all democrats aren’t bad people? Probably yet
            They will be judged by their willingness to support an evil party– making them all part of the problem!

          • “Two things that made us great – God and our Constitution.” This is absolutely true, big Kahuna. Great countries like the USA do not, and cannot happen by accident. We have greatness in this country because of the influence of the Word of God upon it’s leaders, documents and society. “It is impossible to rule a nation without the Word of God.” (George Washington) People risk their lives, forsake their families, and bring their life savings in order to arrive in the greatest country on earth. You do not actually think Americans are smarter than everyone else, do you? “For the Word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword.” (read the whole verse, Heb. 4:12)

          • So true. poohead is one of those athiests that thinks his clever remarks will suffice his lack of manhood. I just pray that on judgement day these people are not TOO distraught when Christ looks at them and says go away I never knew you!!!”
            So so sad!!! To have nothing to live for…. We should pray for them not hate them!!

          • “…lights are on, but nobody is home,” is an excellent description of the Liberals!
            I have great hope for the election in 2018. Surely, the conservative Democrats (if there are any) will have had enough of the silly behavior of the Liberals and elites since President Trump was elected!
            I hope and pray that We the Decent, Sane People can clean house.

          • Mary

            Me too. It’s high time that a good part of the Democratic Party wakes up and realizes that their party is all wrong for our country. I would be ashamed to be associated with that party – especially after seeing how childish and stupid they have responded after the loss. I’m hoping that at least half the democrats get the boot. This next go ahead – allowing Trump to have a clear road ahead.

          • and the lights are growing dim 🙂

          • That should be “you’re,” not the ignorant “your.”

          • Headsupyourass
            As usual your still stuck on stupid. You have no substance
            And it’s obvious your here to disrupt meaningful conversation.
            That is typical of you libturds. Still in denial cause you got your
            ass whipped—move on Troll! Your forever Blocked!

          • We were founded a Christian nation and not secular you liar. God and Allah are different you troll.

          • Abrahamic religions – God, Yahweh, Allah. Same bloke, different trousers. That’s a fact Jack! Trolls more Scandinavian or Loire Valley. Duh!

          • he’ll have plenty of time in Hell to think this over.

          • Poohead is a libturd . Allah & the Koran are all false prophets of Gods words. God would never instruct his people ( creations) to kill all others as the Koran preaches ( complete trash – advocating terrorism). Block that fool!

          • Fail! Or, why both with First Amendment?

          • “Judea” is a region of ancient Palestine. Both of you (you and big KAhuna) should use “Judeo”. Get testy and act offended about my correction if you wish, but those who use and rely on such terminology should use it correctly.

          • Why – there is no country called Judea, not even part of the equation. Just wake up?

        • GODBlessRealAmerica!

          No they Socialism/Comminism
          Totally against our constitution/ values ( Anti American)…get an education you Liberal low life!

        • The Constitution protects people’s God given rights, but not their lifestyle. Need to study more before you post.

          • Not really sure what your point is or the difference – unless it’s illegal then I kind of figure same difference.

        • Wrong again poo-head! What they propose is strict allegiance to all the PC garbage while they discriminate against anyone with morals. Anyone that cant see this is blind or deranged. Anytime a person or group states that they have control over our THOUGHTS while attempting to FORCE their THOUGHTS on us is NOT freedom by any means. being a fairy may not be illegal but it IS immoral!! Thats the problem they are “SUCKING” it up. (pun intended)

    • First Amendment allows for freedom of most things unless illegal – being a fairy ain’t illegal, being a racist bigot is. Suck it up!

    • VERY well stated. I applaud you!

  4. Of course Government Officials have the right to hold personal religious beliefs. They even have the right, upon reflection, study, and prayer to alter, modify, and amend those personal religious beliefs. That’s one of the most important cornerstones of Free Will.
    The question is: Does a Government Official have the right – acting in the capacity of a Government Official – to IMPOSE their beliefs on others?

    Thoughts? (This is not really a “Yes or No” question.)

    • Not wanting to participate in a ceremony is not imposing beliefs. The “wanting to be married” couple has the choice of finding another judge.

      • A public official is obligated to comply with the nation’s laws, just like you and me. Public officials are paid via tax money collected from you and me. Gay people are taxpayers and have every right to utilized government services.

        • sandraleesmith46

          Except there is no “law”, only a SCOTUS opinion! Congress made NO such law!

        • I do not disagree with your premise it’s just where it takes us that has me questioning. Once we go down the slippery slope of demanding that public officials comply we soon get to the point that a baker, a caterer, a florist are called to task and I think that is infringing upon personal choice. If you draw a hard line with “government employees” you have to allow for freedom of choice for those who are not. Once the edict is on place the liberals demand additional compliance. I’m not for that, are you?

          • There is a huge difference between the two sectors you are discussing. People who are paid out of the public till have a different obligation than those in private enterprise. However, historically, there have been incidences where people in private enterprise have been discriminatory in the “type” of people they are willing to “serve. They even used Biblical “evidence” to separate one race from another, offering “colored” drinking fountains and “colored” toilets and refusing restaurant service in “white” areas. And, I don’t know about you, KK, but this is in MY lifetime and I am “only” 71!!

            In specific answer to your question about “liberals demanding additional compliance,” especially when it comes to Gay Rights, I think it will be GAYS that will be demanding compliance and Equal Rights. Many people (I hope not you, KK, do not realize that there is a growing gay movement within the ranks of Republicanism – the Log Cabin Republicans, for example.)

            So, it ain’t just the Liberals!!

    • There are already systems in place to honor a person’s personal belief system, such as when people have opted-out of military-draft service because participating in war goes against their religious/moral beliefs.

      If a judge works for the government, of course they need to fulfill the duties of that job; if they are not able to, then they should be able to Opt-Out, and work where they are able to function fully.

      Private citizens being forced to sell wedding-cakes to people who do not share their views doesn’t make sense to me; Government Official’s should not have the same right.

      • Do you believe a Rabbi should be forced to perform a Christian wedding, or a Christian Minister perform a Jewish wedding?

        • My knee-jerk response is, “No, Of course not”; however, I would be curious to know why a Christian couple would request a Rabbi perform their ceremony, or why a Jewish couple might request a Christian Minister; are you aware of this kind of request being made, and what was the rationale offered?

          • sandraleesmith46

            Actually, in the military, chaplains of various beliefs often perform spiritual services to personnel of other beliefs, and have done for decades. A Baptist saying Kadish for a Jew was no more “alien” than a Rabbi giving extreme unction on a battlefield, or ship. It can’t happen now in the PC military; but it did for a very long time. A base pr ship or combat unit might only have 1 chaplain assigned to it; his job was the spiritual well being of ALL those based there. Not just those of his specific belief system. Thing is, none of that was “forced” and those men chose to so act. NO ONE should be forced.

          • Yes, it makes sense that anyone who would volunteer to work with the military would be open-minded and gracious because being a Chaplain in the United States military includes supporting the free exercise of religion for men and women of all faiths, an endorsement from an endorsing agency that is recognized by the Department of Defense, (such as National Conference on​ Ministry to the Armed Forces), representing one or more faith groups in the United States, will be required, in part to ensure that the separation of church and state is honored.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Wrong understanding; this STOPPED with the intrusion of PC and the social experiments! It was going on before WW I at least and through Vietnam, at least. It CAN’T happen now!

          • AdvocvateNurse, My point was you can ask a number of officials to marry you, but none are obligated to do so. It is not immoral, illegal, or fattening to refuse.

          • You are half-correct: Religious, non-government officiants, are not obligated to marry couples.

            While Civil Servants are obligated to do so; because they are government employees:

            “Civil marriage consists of two, unrelated adults entering into a legal contract which is recognized by the government. As a result of this contract, the adult couple is granted certain rights and assigned certain responsibilities. Additionally, there is a commonly understood societal status associated with being a married couple. Marriage is a civil right and all loving and committed, consenting, unrelated adult couples should be allowed to enter into the institution if they so choose.

            When clergy or congregations of religious faith communities marry couples it is a religious rite/ceremony, not a civil contract. Clergy and congregations choose whom they marry. They are not compelled or required to accept the government’s definition of marriage. Some religious institutions are more restrictive than the state, rejecting interfaith marriages or re-marriages after divorce. Those with broader definitions, bless the unions of same-gender couples.

            In the U.S., a marriage is only legal with the signing of a civil marriage license. Many couples get married by a judge, a justice of the peace, or other public officiant. They do not need to go to a church, synagogue or mosque in order to marry.

            Our government has made the process simpler by allowing religious leaders to perform a religious wedding and to act as a civil officiant. The religious leader must sign the civil marriage license before witnesses and the couple for the marriage to be legal.”

        • A rabbi is not a public official. Neither is a Christian minister. Your question does not apply.

          • My point was that although a Judge is a public official he/she has a choice as to what wedding to perform. A Judge can choose to not perform any weddings at all.
            However, in the Court Room the Judge has to abide by the law and be impartial.

    • I tried to say that in an earlier email. I may not have said it as eloquently, but I meant the same thing.

    • sandraleesmith46

      No, and neither does government or anyone else have a right to impose it’s/their beliefs on a person because he/she works in a specific position. Declining to be involved in a specific event is not imposing anything on anyone, unless the person declining DENIED the one seeking service a God- given right. In this instance, the judge even offered to help homosexuals find an official who would perform the ceremony, more than required of her. She DENIED nothing beyond her personal participation.

  5. Equality does not exist but liberals keep trying to force their believes on everyone under the name of equal rights. To begin with not everyone is beautiful, nor do they have the same IQ as others, nor can they hold the same jobs due to their abilities, nor can they buy the same things as others, nor are they great at sports, or art, or writing the great novel. There are those who can reason out a problem and those who can not, those who do research prior to making a choice of things that will effect their lives and others then you have those who just jump in and do then find out they wish they hadn’t. In marriage you have a male and female who can reproduce and have children, the basis of marriage is to have legal children to carry on the population, then you have the gays, who can not bare children between the two but have to adopt or use another means of reproducing. There is no equality in the marriages other than the ability to be allowed to get the same benefits as a man and woman who marry have. The thing is they could have a civil union and get the same benefits but they want to force the Christians to do what they want without stopping and thinking of the Christian’s rights. Thus equality goes out the window. You can not take an other’s rights to their believes away because of your believes and call it equality.Equality is the ability to make choices you feel is right not have others choices forced on you because THEY feel they are right. Equal rights is the most misused two words in our nation simply because instead of allowing others to choose to do, say, or be what they want, some one is always forcing their will on some one else.

    • It’s not a matter of Liberals imposing their values on Conservatives, etc. Same-sex marriage is the Law of the Land.

      Note: “On June 26, 2015, the Supreme Court of the United States of America ruled that same-sex couples have the right to marry in all 50 states. States cannot keep same-sex couples from marrying and must recognize their unions.”

      You may not like that decision. It might go against your personal beliefs, but life in this great country isn’t just about YOU. God Bless America and God Protect the Ruler of Law. It is our Patriotic Duty to be law-abiding citizens.

      • The supreme has made several mistakes over the years. That was just one of them!

        • I agree not because I disapprove of gay relationships, it’s none of my business what other people do in private. What I disagree with is the notion that it has to be “legalized” and every single American has to bend. NO!

          • My point exactly!

          • Do you think ANY marriages should be “legalized?”

          • I’m not sure I have a firm position on that question. It’s a good one though:)

          • KKmoderate, if people who say it is none of their business really meant it there would be no need to legalize it.

          • That’s a good point. As I thought further about this issue this morning I realize that my objection to legalizing this or that is that then there is opportunity for someone to run afoul and to bring suit for illegal application of the legalized issue. I refer to the judge in this article who should have a right to her personal point of view and if she doesn’t want to marry them they can pick another judge to perform the ceremony right? The absurdity comes in when bakers are ruined and their right to earn a living for their family is forfeited to the liberal dogma. I just don’t think it is in the best interest of our nation and our citizens to spend time on pursuing these insignificant matters. The courts should be used for serious things. If the one baker doesn’t want to bake your cake get another one to do it! It just keeps escalating and I’m not behind that kind of utilization of resources.

        • It’s still the Law of the Land. God Bless America! A country of laws and law-abiding citizens – who don’t just pick and choose laws they will obey at whatever whim they have.

          • So is abortion and it is murder!

          • Not according to the Supreme Court, AZ. Sorry, this is a nation of laws.

          • Where were those laws for the last eight years on the southern border?

          • Who said this:

            “President Obama has moved millions of people out. Nobody knows about it. Nobody talks about it. But under Obama, millions of people have been moved out of this country. They’ve been deported.”

            Do you know? Can you guess?

            It was DJT – Check this source from the Christian Science Monitor:


          • I don’t have to hear what others say about the illegal aliens or wonder what goes on there for years I lived near Douglas Arizona. I still have many rancher friends living on or near the southern border down there. Obama moved the border patrol back about 40 miles or so north of the border. His catch and release program reported false numbers as well.

          • Not according to Donald J. Trump: “President Obama has moved millions of people out. Nobody knows about it. Nobody talks about it. But under Obama, millions of people have been moved out of this country. They’ve been deported.”

        • Arizona Dan, you are right. In your mind or point of view the Supreme Court made a mistake about same sex marriage, but in some other minds or points of view the Court decision was correct. This is called freedom. The American way…

          • Its Don if you don’t mind. You’re point can be made about every decision they make. However, that does not make some right and some wrong. Reality does that.

      • Religious truth you make a lot of sense to me.
        Some have a right to be Christians…
        Some have a right to be Jews…
        Some have a right to be Muslims…
        Some have a right to be gay…
        Some have a right to be straight.
        But first and foremost we are Americans first. The rest is just opinions.

        • And let me extend your GREAT list:

          Americans are Patriots….
          Liberals, Conservatives, In-Betweeners, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Straights, Gays, City Dwellers, Suburbanites, Rural Folk, White People, Black People, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, Northerners, Southerners, the Left Coasters and the Right Coasters, the Cattle Ranchers and the Sheepherders…. you get the drift, right?

          The goal of too many (and from my perspective, especially on the Right and Mr. Trump in particular) has been to divide us rather than unite us, to disenfranchise those we disagree with, and to instill fear between the very fabric that should be holding us together.

          And THAT is the Rigteous Truth.

          (Right on, Jerry …. sorry for the ’60’s expression, but I AM a child of the ’60’s!)

      • Who gave the Supreme Court permission to say that gays have a constitutional right to marry. This should be left up to the states and that means the majority of the people. And I truly believe the majority are against gay marriage because that can never be called a marriage. It should have been called a “Civil Union”, not marriage. Christians who believe in the Biblical meaning of marriage should not be forced to accept gay marriage. Where are the equal rights there. Gay life styles are being taught in schools as being natural. There is nothing about this that is natural. It is a perverted life style and that is all there is to that. Nine people in black robes do not speak for the whole country. Calling this the Law is plain stupid.

        • Correct. Their decision also was unconstitutional because it violated the tenth amendment. Gay and lesbian rights are mentioned no where within the constitution therefore, jurisdiction reverts directly to the States or the people.

          • By definition, the Supreme Court cannot issue an UN-Constitutional legal opinion. (Note: In a common-law system, court opinions constitute the LAW by which all controversies are settled.)

        • Who gave the Supreme Court permission to rule in this matter? Are you kidding, 75Matt? Nothing less than the Constitution of the United States of America ??

          Biblical meaning of marriage? How about polygamy?

          Then Lamech took for himself two wives: the name of one was Adah, and the name of the second was Zillah. And Adah bore Jabal. He was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock. His brother’s name was Jubal. He was the father of all those who play the harp and flute. And as for Zillah, she also bore Tubal-Cain, an instructor of every craftsman in bronze and iron. And the sister of Tubal-Cain was Naamah.

          Then Lamech said to his wives:
          “Adah and Zillah, hear my voice;
          Wives of Lamech, listen to my speech!
          For I have killed a man for wounding me,
          Even a young man for hurting me.
          If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold,
          Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold.” (Genesis 4:19–25)
          Before the Flood, we have a clear distortion of what God had intended for marriage. To compound Lamech’s sin, he brags of his murderous deeds. The Flood was brought upon the earth to judge the sinfulness of mankind, including the sins committed by Lamech.

          After the Flood, there are many mentions of polygamous relationships—including among the patriarchs of Israel. Abraham, Jacob, David, and Solomon all had multiple wives. It is interesting to note that there are no passages in Scripture that clearly state, “No man should have more than one wife.” However, polygamous relationships are never mentioned in a positive light, and, indeed, the problems of such relationships are presented.

      • sandraleesmith46

        No, it’s not the “law of the land”, it’s a SCOTUS opinion; nothing more! Congress has passed no such law!

        • You do understand the role of the Supreme Court, right, sandraleesmith46? THEY decide the Constitutionality of ALL laws passed by Congress. SCOTUS is the final word!

          • sandraleesmith46

            Yes, including the authority they have been usurping from the people for decades; they’re NOT the ultimate authority on what is or isn’t Constitutional; they merely issue OPINIONS, and often enough those are DEAD wrong!

          • The Supreme Court is – greater minds.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Not hardly; they only had a couple and 1 of those was murdered and covered up over a year ago.

          • Do you have proof or is it just belief. Conspiracy theory is not fact based – maybe this is why the mainstream media is deemed biased. They only have fact based stories? Where’s the “fake” news? Alt-right drivel-land.

          • Sandralee, I think you are
            confusing the common definition of an opinion with the definition of a LEGAL opinion:

            “A statement that is prepared by a judge or court announcing the decision after a case is tried; includes a summary of the facts, a recitation of the applicable law and how it relates to the facts, the rationale supporting the decision, and a judgment; and is usually presented in writing, though occasionally an oral opinion is rendered.

            “Court opinions are the pronouncements of judges on the legal controversies that come before them. In a common-law system, court opinions constitute the law by which all controversies are settled. Attorneys analyze prior opinions on similar legal issues, attempting to draw parallels between their case and favorable court opinions and to distinguish unfavorable opinions. Judges study relevant opinions in rendering their decisions.”

            I emphasize this part in particular: “In a common-law system, court opinions constitute the law by which all controversies are settled.”

          • sandraleesmith46

            No, I’m not confusing anything; OPINIONS do NOT make “law” regardless who issues them. And SCOTUS opinions are no more valid than yours or mine; look at Dred Scott for a classic example; that was as WRONG HEADED as an opinion could possibly be! But a SCOTUS made it none the less!

          • Same-sex couples – BY LAW – have the right to get married.

          • sandraleesmith46

            There is no law giving ANYONE a “right” to get married, and to have a marriage, you have to be heterosexual; period. You may have a civil union as homosexuals but that’s the BEST you can have; and that’s a PRIVILEGE, not a right!

          • Only in the world of sandraleesmith46. I am a Patriotic, Christian American. I belive in the US Constitution and the rule of law. God Bless America!

          • sandraleesmith46

            Apparently not; when you claim the US Constitution gives a “right” not mentioned in it in any way. And when you agree with something Yhwh God labeled an abomination!

          • Apparently not – what do you mean “apparently not?”

            And you say that I agree with something…. what do you mean? What do I agree with?

    • Excellent post Kay. Well thought out and well laid out.

    • “Our civil rights have no dependence upon our religious opinions more than our opinions in physics or geometry.”
      ― Thomas Jefferson

    • sandraleesmith46

      The only “equality”, which our Founders well knew, is that with which Yhwh God views each of us; there can, as you observe NEVER be equality of outcome, which is what they leftists are trying to force, because we are NOT all equally endowed, unless everyone is dropped to the very lowest common denominator, in equal misery and poverty. Rights are Yhwh God given, not man devised.

  6. Whats next from these people, burning books and hanging christians from crosses. Why can’t these idiots mind their own business. If she doesn’t believe in that garbage then so be it, neither do i or over 70% of the country. If thats their thing it fine just don’t try to shove it down everybodys throat.

  7. Five UNsupreme court justices unconstitutionally redefined “marriage”. The only way they could justify their decision was by invoking the 14th amendment of equality before the law, but they also had to assume that marriage was other than male/female. This was their unconstitutional sleight of hand. I do not recognize the decision as valid and no one else should. The Supreme court makes wrong decisions (e.g., Dred Scott, separate but equal) which have to be changed. As I pointed out in letters to the justices prior to this decision, nowhere does the Constitution give any branch of government authority to redefine any word. If they wanted to give committed same-sex couples certain rights, then unique names for male/male and female/female relationship should be used. Marriage has always designated a male/female relationship. Simply adding “same-sex” to marriage tells you that. By analogy, 2 lines joined at one end constitute an angle, but we use terms such as right, acute, and obtuse to specify the difference in relationship of the two lines. Using marriage to cover same-sex relations would be equivalent to acute and obtuse angles demanding to be called right angles. Absurd! Self-deception. This decision is wrong, wrong, wrong, and should not be recognized by anyone who respects the Constitution and God’s law.

    • “Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment…But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times.”
      ― Thomas Jefferson

      • Note that Jefferson spoke of the mind, not feelings.

        • So true…preceding every feeling, is a thought; that is why the ability to pause before reacting impulsively, and instead, respond thoughtfully; is such a valuable and respected trait to cultivate.
          It is imperative that we teach effective communication skills to our kids and others; the beginning of that insight is the ability to pause long enough to communicate with myself.

          • Correction to your “preceding every feeling, is a thought”. Often, just the reverse. According to Daniel Goleman’s 2006 survey of brain studies entitled “Social Intelligence”, we can suffer “emotional contagion” before our (frontal lobe) thinking brain part becomes aware of it. E.g. being in the presence of someone who is angry affects the emotional part of our brain before we are aware of it. That is why feelings are not a trustworthy basis of dealing with reality. Feelings come and go. They may be indicators of reality, but they are not creators of reality. As Jefferson’s era was known as the Age of Reason, I fear that in the future the present era will become known as the Age of Feelings.

      • sandraleesmith46

        The human mind is not only not progressing; it’s actually REGRESSING! Intellectually, morally, and psychologically it is FALLING OFF, not gaining ground. Technology is not the measure of progress and neither is amorality. There are no “new” truths; TRUTH is a Person and His name is Jesus!

    • If you do not believe in same sex marriage do not marry someone of the same sex. You have no idea what God’s law is. There is no God’s law. All laws are man made. The Bible was written by human beings. God is not a person. God is a power, the power of creation.
      If you are trying to impose your views of same sex marriage on those who believe in it is no different that those who believe in same sex marriage trying to impose the views on you. Mind your own business and live your life as you see it and let others do the same.

      • You also should mind your own business along with the homosexual community who try to cause problems who do not believe or accept their lifestyle.
        God is the order of space: (Rom 8:29) Space and time is for humans to assemble together. He is inbound and out of bounds. He is imminent and transcendent. He is Omnipresent and as a believer in Jesus Christ He is in you to help you. Omniscient, Omnipotent and knows everything about us. God knows it all. He is everywhere at one time. He was on the mountain with Moses and in the Tabernacle, yet everywhere.
        God is beyond our understanding but a description of some of His characteristics is known from the Bible:
        • God is an individual
        • A self existent being – He depends on nothing to exist
        • He is a self conscience being – objectify Himself – we can object our being mathematically. He defines Himself
        • He is self determining – He has awareness, intellect and will
        • He is the original of all things – creator – the uncaused cause, transcends history
        o Deist says He is over creation but not imminent in creation – leaves it to our doings
        • He is life; not just a force or nature itself but characterized by life and imparted to us.
        • Ex 3:14 I AM – I exist, I am life, I am eternal life
        • Presented in the Bible as personal and with personality
        o We can identify with God in a limited way but not in an infinite way
        • He is not just the big bang or spark of life – how did inanimate matter become living? How in the world could this happen? I would rather believe that God created the universe in the beginning.
        • Evolution is a religion – it is not of God

        • mallen11, So we have a different view of God. In the end we both believe in God that’s what is important.

          • sandraleesmith46

            ‘Fraid not; God’s view of Himself is what’s important, and that’s what you’re denying.

          • Don’t you realize how you are belittling God by making him/her human?

          • sandraleesmith46

            Hardly; He chose to clothe Himself in human flesh briefly, so as to interact more successfully with His creations, but He was NEVER not at all times, fully God even then!

          • Jesus is fully God. ” I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Jesus is God. His name was secret. It was not revealed until Bethlehem.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Actually, it was revealed to both Mary and Joseph in Galilee before they went to Bethlehem, to Mary first when Gabriel told her she was to be His mother, and to Joseph when Gabriel told him to not put Mary away, that the child she was carrying was holy.

          • Jesus said He was God: John 8:58 and John 10:30 – unity of Divine Essence and purpose

          • Jesus said: I am the son of God as you are the sons of God.

          • John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” and John 10:30 I and the Father are one
            Jesus Christ is equal to God the Father even when He was here on earth; the God-man
            1. Works – attribute of omnipotence John 5:19
            2. Knowledge – Omniscience John 5:20
            3. Life – He is Life – Power over life – John 5:21
            4. Judge – full power of the authority – John 5:22 & 27
            5. Honor – worthy of all honor, worship — John 5:23
            6. Power – spiritual and eternal life giving power through God the Son – John 5:24-25
            7. Self existence – He is eternal – John 5:26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
            Jesus is just as much God as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

      • Your are at liberty to believe whatever you wish. But God and His laws don’t change. You seemed to have missed my point that we must use words with integrity, to make appropriate distinctions rather than blurring or manipulating. Saying “same-sex” marriage is like saying “square-circle”. You may get people to use the term but that doesn’t mean it is reality. “Same-sex” marriage is wishful self-delusion. It doesn’t really exist despite the 5 UNsupreme justices unconstitutional decision. Marriage (like right angle, e.g.) has always meant a male/female relationship. So to maintain integrity of words a unique term should be used to designate a legal union between two men, and another unique term for two women (just like acute & obtuse angles). A committed/legal relationship between two people of the same sex is simply different from a male/female relationship and language should reflect that reality.. I’m not trying to impose anything. Just advocating for using words with integrity rather than for self-delusion.

      • sandraleesmith46

        Wrong; He is a Person; and He did write laws; ever hear of the Decalogue? That was 10 laws written by His Own hand, in STONE! We aren’t seeking to impose our view, but His, and not even that; just to NOT be forced to violate His laws, or lose our jobs and property for choosing His laws over man’s. Your double standard was clearly revealed by a Steve Crowder video recently!

  8. But their own facts

  9. to quote Christ as best i can… “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s.”

  10. What if I were a plumber and I refused to do a plumbing job because I found the customer obnoxious. What would be wrong with that…nothing. What if I refuse the job because of their homo lifestyle? What would be wrong with that…nothing.
    What if I’m a Judge and I do not like homos and I refuse to do homo weddings. What would be wrong with that…nothing.
    What if I’m a Judge and I’m judging a case of a baker refusing to bake a cake for a homo wedding. What would be wrong with my imposing my religious beliefs in judging this case…everything.
    My humble opinion…

  11. I have a solution for everyone regarding the Gay hysteria. Move ALL GAYS TO ONE LOCATION, LABEL IT “SODOMARA” AND BUILD TALL FENCES SURROUNDING IT SO NO ONE GOES IN AND NO ONE COMES OUT. Only Gay industry would be running that state, the Gays could live anywhere they wanted because only Gays would be living there, no Heterosexuals, no straights, just Gays. There would never be any lawsuits, because, Hells Bells, there are just Gays living in that state.

    Here’s the problem. Most straight Americans do not know or associate with Gays, so when THOSE Americans start telling everyone that there are no issues with Gays being around, they truly have no idea of what they are saying. I have no problem with Gays as long as they keep their twisted lifestyles away from children of any age — which includes adopting kids. What clueless Gays do NOT get is — that the child they adopt and try to give a good home will be unmercilessly ridiculed/hurt at school once it gets out that there are two dads and no Mom. They will be teased forever and not allowed to play with other normal kids…yes, that is exactly what happens on the playground (retired teacher, seen it done numerous times). If you think adults can be hurtful, you’ve never seen young kids gang up on someone that is different or comes from a “weird” home!

    In studies done on kids that have been adopted by same sex parents, they have found that those kids have more emotional issues and diseases as they become teenagers because they are NOT ACCEPTED by normal kids…if you want to call them normal…they are after all children, not adults and don’t know the damage they can do to a single child. To sum it up, the love the gay couple may have for a child will not undo the damage the other children will do to the child…the kid ends up suffering more than when living in a normal Mom and Dad family.

    Again, putting all the Gays into one location where they can run their own businesses and still enjoy their lifestyle is a better solution than having these gays ruining straight Christian American’s lives. No one wants gays hurt or unhappy, but many Christians do NOT accept gay’s lifestyles and consider them sinners, therefore, they refuse to give credence to their desires. It’s going to happen forever and will not stop just because some judge says so. So either the Gays go find their own Country or State, or what ever to live or they live in our Straight Society and stop asking straights to incorporate them into their lives. It WILL NOT HAPPEN, SO GIVE IT UP. That’s like asking Christians to stop believing in their Bible, and they won’t. So all the fines in the world will NOT change this. Gays if you want to fit in, do so without causing issues, but do NOT DEMAND that straights accept who you are or your lifestyle. That is something you need to keep to yourselves and behind closed doors…not out in the public.

    One more pet peeve: Why do Gays make such a spectacle of themselves in public? Are they trying to prove something or gross people out? Instead of encouraging people to accept them, they turn people off and more and more straights want them GONE! It is disturbing to see two guys groping and French kissing where there are children present. Actually it is disgusting to most people. You don’t see a guy and a girl in the middle of a mall, groping and deep throat kissing, why do Gays do that?

    By doing that, gays have crushed their ability to ever be thought of as normal or acceptable. They must have a special gene that is twisted or misshaped. Something has twisted their behaviors to not trust the opposite sex enough to have a relationship with them. I believe it goes way back to their parental choices in their upbringing…homosexuality, transgenderism, etc. – all emotionally driven issues that can be created by parents not consciously aware of what they are teaching their children. If you are going to do the dance and have a child, for the love of God, learn good parental skills!

    • I recall very distinctly when gay meant happy. Now it seems to mean queer.

      No one is born that way it is a voluntary decision, some say It is a sickness associated with mental illness. It certainly is not normal.

      • No it isn’t! Just like there is no such thing as “transgenderism”. This is a subculture created by some lonely liberal who had nothing in their lives so they had to make up something so far off and bizarre…and the rest of the liberals “loved” it and ran with it!

        The only way any kid wants to be the opposite sex is because their parents raised them “not as their naturally born sex”. Like the woman who was in the news several years ago when this transgender stuff came out, She never wanted the little boy God gave her, so she dressed him like a girl and gave him little girl dolls, makeup and jewelry. He never had boy things, a baseball bat or glove or trucks, etc., only feminine things and he was always told he was so pretty. THIS is how you change any young child from the sex they were born with — by treating them like their opposite gender.

        That mother who did that to her little boy will reap his anger when he becomes a teenager and finds out he really wasn’t a girl, but a boy and his mother made him a girl! She will regret playing God and get her son’s revenge like no other. But stupid is as stupid does…she will deserve every bit he gives!

      • Better happy than gay – as straight people say…

  12. sandraleesmith46

    Sadly, no, it doesn’t look like that day will come under Trump, who has aligned with the homosexuals and other practitioners of perversion. That was clear from the convention and reinforced by his cabinet selections.

  13. We don’t force Muslims and Jews to eat pork, we don’t force pro=abortionists to carry their children to term, we respect their religious beliefs. We should not be forcing Christians who believe the Biblical definition of marriage to surrender their beliefs, simple as that.

  14. Do religious beliefs mean ostracizing others? No forgiveness?

    These narrow-minded evangelicals are no better than ISIS – just as bigoted, just as nasty. Thankfully living in a country with laws and less likely to have an AK47 and a bazooka. No more Christian than ISIS is representative of Islam. Both are scum of the first order.

  15. GODBlessRealAmerica!

    Thank You Real America we got a Real President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  16. I agree with Rev.Graham. When deciding for whom to vote , their religious beliefs are one of my main considerations, because most people will stay true to what they really believe.

  17. This is very lopsided. We would not expect LGBTQ people to do tings that they were morally or ethically opposed to, Why are others expected to bend to their will? Give an inch . . .

  18. Hard to believe that someone with the name Mr. POOP “Head” thinks they’re right about ANYTHING!

  19. WY is rapidly becoming a part of the liberal West, just like Colorado and California. I live in Colorado.

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