NY Times: Manson Had a Lot in Common With “Far-Right Groups”

In a new op-ed for The New York Times, reporter Baynard Woods decided that it was time to defend the liberal hippies of the 1960s from the bad rap they’ve been getting for the last fifty-some-odd years. It was time to divide his favorite form of counterculture from the deadly crescendo of August 9, 1969, when Charles Manson and his “Family” brutally murdered Sharon Tate and friends at their mansion on Cielo Drive. But reading his account of the murders, one wonders whether Woods is more interested in what could be an interesting examination of Manson’s association with the 60s “free love” era or just using it as a pretense to take a shot at the New York Times’ favorite target: Donald Trump and his supporters.

“Apart from the long hair and the casual sex, Mr. Manson, who spent much of his life in prison with a swastika carved into his head, had more in common ideologically with far-right groups like the John Birch Society than he did with the anarchic leftism of, say, the Yippies,” he writes, setting the stage. “Mr. Manson was not the end point of the counterculture. If anything, he was a backlash against the civil rights movement and a harbinger of white supremacist race warriors like Dylann Roof, the lunatic fringe of the alt-right.”

Ohhh, okay.

First of all, it is journalistically irresponsible to lump in a whacko like Dylann Roof with the alt-right, but we’re getting used to these smear attack that says there’s essentially no difference between the KKK and Breitbart subscribers. And to be fair, certain elements of the so-called alt-right haven’t made the press’s job any more difficult. But in any event, we should at least be clear that it takes a hell of a leap to get from the JOHN BIRCH Society to a mass murderer like Roof, to say nothing of Charles Friggin’ Manson! But hey, please, continue…

After delving into Manson’s bizarre theories about the impending race wars that would consume the country – wars which he supposedly hoped to ignite with his murders – Woods takes us back to the present.

“In recent months, the far-right media have become fixated on the idea that left-wing ‘antifa’ activists will spark a new civil war,” he writes. “Gateway Pundit, a far-right website, claimed that ‘millions of antifa supersoldiers will behead white parents,’ and Alex Jones, the conspiracy enthusiast who runs the website Infowars, predicted that the antifa activists would lose such a war.

“A recent essay by Vincent Law on AltRight.com, Richard Spencer’s website, granted that though ‘I love fantasizing about RAHOWA’ — racial holy war — a culture war among ‘good’ and ‘bad’ whites will have to come first,’” he continues. “That is not the inevitable outgrowth of the 1960s counterculture. That is the apocalyptic racism of too many eras, including our own.”

We’re not going to vouch for whatever weird theories Woods found in the dark recesses of Gateway Pundit or Infowars, but they have nothing to do with anything that has – EVER – been covered by a mainstream paper like the New York Times. But in using terms like the “alt-right” and “the far right,” Woods is attempting to make it look like conservatism in America has taken this dangerous turn towards apocalyptic, racist fury, and there’s…there’s just no evidence that this is the case. Go yap about it on some left-wing blog, fine. At least then, you’re on an even playing field. But when you’re talking about this stuff in the pages of the Times, you’re trying to get readers to believe that this is Trump’s base you’re talking about.

Oh, and he also managed to slyly cover for Antifa there, too, which we did not fail to notice. How about we go into their websites and see what kind of apocalyptic racism we can find. Will the Times publish us if we do? Or will we be told that these are just far-left loonies who don’t really matter? Either way, we bet they have “more in common” with the Manson Family than Baynard Woods would like to admit.

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  2. The lunatic fringe of the alt right????? I guess this guys been in a coma for the last year and missed the embarrassingly cartoonish antics of the left. Vagina hats, toilet licking, threatening to cut off their own body parts if they don’t get their way. Demented, often gibbering hysteria that grows more ridiculous by the day. Screaming at the sky on the anniversary of their well deserved defeat like toddlers having a tantrum. Dancing around in public in front of children naked, covered with filthy slogans, menstrual blood and a barrage of bizarre decorations that make them look as if they had just then escaped from the nearest asylum to fight a hate that has never existed outside of their own imaginations. And of course the constant false accusations and calls for impeachment based entirely on childish spite.
    Liberals playing connect the dots they’ve drawn themselves in a desperate attempt to invent parallels that don’t exist between the right and a few lunatics we have no connection to at all while ignoring the rampant lunacy in their own midst just makes them look even more foolish than they already appeared.

    • Spot on!

    • Thank you Natalie. You nailed it.

    • Wow. I didn’t even know about HALF of that stuff. For this left leaning idiot to DARE to even try to compare Manson with the alt-right shows that he is certifiably, liberally insane. The kind of insane that only the left can cause.

      How dare he even TRY to impugn the memory of those who were brutally murdered when he probably wasn’t even born is worse than insulting. It is just sick.

      • Do you find problems with the expression Alt-right generated by the amoral atheistic Socialists. Let’s use the correct truth about the left because I don’t like letting the left to generate the description of us when we are PRO-LIFE and not anti-Abortion. Let’s not let these cow manure people cast their images on us but let us rule in the verbiage.

        • That, sir, is precisely why I do not do PC, or allow the Left to dictate the definitions of terms in any discourse. Words have MEANINGS for a reason; without an understanding of which there can be no civil discourse.

        • I try to steer clear of all the negative pc language. It is beyond counter-productive, goes against every single principle I was raised with, and I refuse to take part in it.

      • You mean the KKK like Robert KKKKKKKKKK Byrd? He was a dimbocrat was he not. Or maybe LB, I’ll have those N-word voting democrat for the next 100 years, J. Wasn’t he a dimbocrat as well?

        • Oh you BET he was, and it was the REPUBLICAN Congress that passed that bill and sent it to his desk; he was planning to veto it, ’til someone pointed out HIS name would be attached to it, whereupon he made that completely racist claim about their voting; which has held up….

          • You are absolutely right.

          • The repubs did not gain the House until the 90’s and I would doubt had control of the Senate until after that. You leftist seem to want to go back 40 years until it does not suit your purpose, are you ashamed of your past?

          • I am NOT a leftist and I have nothing in my past to be ashamed of.

            Civil Rights Act of 1957 – Eisenhower Presidential Library

            Civil Rights Act of 1957 . In 1957, President Eisenhower sent Congress a proposal for civil rights legislation. The result was the Civil Rights Act of 1957, the first ..

            Short narrative:
            The Eisenhower proposal had four main parts. The first two-the creation of a civil rights commission to investigate voting irregularities and a civil rights division in the Justice Department-survive to this day. The other two pillars, unfortunately, became victims of politics.

          • The democrats hated the Civil Rights act and everything that was in it. And you even try to tell that too the blacks today you are looking for a fight with the blacks.

          • No, I am not. What I printed came DIRECTLY from the Internet. Look up “Eisenhower and Civil Rights.”

            That’s where the reference came from.

            All I said was that I am not a leftist and that I had nothing to be ashamed of.

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          • When did the Republicans gain control of House or Senate, long after LBJ. How about Robert KKKKKKKK Byrd? If the dombocrat had been so anti racist, they had the House until the 90’s.

          • Sorry to burst your bubble but the dimbocrats had control of Congress until the1990’s and could have stopped anything they did not agree with.

          • No sir; like a mirror image of Obamacare, NO Dems voted for the Civil Rights bill passed in the summer of ’64 and signed by LBJ; it had to be a Republican Congress to pass that.

          • What the hell are you talikng about?

            On June 19, the substitute (compromise) bill passed the Senate by a vote of 73–27, and quickly passed through the House-Senate conference committee, which adopted the Senate version of the bill. The conference bill was passed by both houses of Congress, and was signed into law by President Johnson on July 2, 1964.[21]
            Vote totals[edit]

            Civil Rights Bill -1964

            Totals are in “Yea–Nay” format:
            The original House version: 290–130 (69–31%).
            Cloture in the Senate: 71–29 (71–29%).
            The Senate version: 73–27 (73–27%).
            The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289–126 (70–30%).
            By party[edit]
            The original House version:[22]
            Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
            Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)
            Cloture in the Senate:[23]
            Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
            Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
            The Senate version:[22]
            Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
            Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
            The Senate version, voted on by the House:[22]
            Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
            Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

          • You need to block this P.O.S. like I did it’s a liberal lowlife as well as a low info voter.

        • And NONE of that had ANYTHING to do with the Manson murders!!! You can bet that NONE of those crooked politicians cared ONE WHIT about the victims of that madman.

          I am sick and doggone tired of the liberal loony left trying to use every single villain from our past (Hitler, Manson, etc.) to assign it to the Conservative people in this country because they are so full of hatred they are no longer capable of putting together an intelligent thought.

          There is no reason for all of this hatred. All it does is make things worse.

          • Tell me about it, I mean we had our hands up and said don’t shoot right?

          • I presume you are being sarcastic, so I stand by my comment — there is NO reason for all of this hatred.

          • The hatred is mostly on the left but I agree with you.

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    • Thank you Natalie, perfectly said!

    • Natalie,
      You are completely right. I grew up in the 60s and the hippies were a movement of the left. Lots of sick people (Clintons, Bill Ayers,John Kerry, Joan Fonda, etc To many to name) There is no alt right? Where did that terminology come from, some leftist professor? This is what they do all the deceit and separating every one into groups so they can use those groups to create an enemy in our country. Than blame these evils on other groups, but it always been the left in America. This is why things don’t make sense to people as how much can you change the facts until they make no sense. You should get the Big Lie by Dinesh D’Souza it is a treasure for understanding the big picture of how and where this all comes from. In America we have a Republic and most Americans have never lived under real socialism so it is hard for us to recognize it.

      • Dear Princess Of The Alt Right-

        What is the meaning of the symbol of the facial tatoo between Charles Manson’s eye brows?

        • Rich Girod,
          I am not Alt Right whatever that means I am a conserative. Sorry I don’t know what those Tatoo means

        • What about the alt-left? ANTIFA dresses all in black with black masks just like ISIS Jihadis. Is there a difference? Are you one of the ANTIFA loons?

      • Ditto. My problem is I should be expressing the reality of God’s great blessing of returning us to a personal relationship with God through the propitiation Jesus made for us. I mean getting real, story after story of miracles in our history, testimony’s of healing especially on CBN 700 club. I have books about people who have died and were resurrected. “My Time in Heaven” by Richard Sigmund, “Within the Gates” by Rebecca Springer, “To Heaven and Back” by Mary Neal MD, from Christ for All Nations, on DVD, a minister died in a car accident and his wife wanted him to be taken to a Reinhardt Bonnke service because of the Special anointing on his services but was sent to the funeral home and was embalmed but she still sent him to a service and was resurrected. and boy does he have a testimony. Then there is “23 Minutes in Hell” by Bill Weiss. These things are real and so is God!

    • I hadn’t heard about them licking toilets. It’s pathetic that, for some reason, I don’t even doubt it.

    • It’s the new normal!

    • Natalie, wow I was going to write something, but you stated it so well and much better than I. You have to laugh at the lefts hypocrisy, but so sad we have people in America with so much hate.

    • you are saying/doing the very opposite of you accusations…..-

      “…a desperate attempt to invent parallels that don’t exist between the right (substitute left)and a few lunatics we have no connection to at all while ignoring the rampant lunacy in their own midst just makes them look even more foolish than they already appeared.

    • LOL…Actually Manson wasn’t as crazy as these left wing loons. He was crazy but I’d be willing to be he never wore a vagina hat!!!

    • Agree totally but do not let that despicable rag known as the NYT bother you! They are brainless!

  3. The alt left radicals who riot and assault others if they disagree with the socialist propaganda of hate, lies and deceptions. Antifa is a terrorist organization with ties to ISIS. That makes them and those that support them enemies of the state include the media that Lie to us, telling us that they are harmless.

    • “Antifa is a terrorist organization with ties to ISIS.”

      Where did this information come from? Did you make it up?

      Please supply facts>>>>>

      • I am not your researcher. Supply your own facts. Use your search engine, Google , etc. The FBI states that ATIFA is connected to the terrorist. At the G20 they met and plotted the assassination of Trump. They are coordinating their attacks here with ISIS, They are the US arm of the ISIS. That makes them enemies of the state along with those that support them. The main stream media, George Soros, Hillary, the DNC, Obama

        • You are intellectually lazy and if you can’t provide researched back up not worth my time….I have nothing to learn from you-I know more that you-you are worthless-

      • Same as the Jihadis, a left wing terror group.

    • seriously- do you actually think that communism is a real threat to replace our democratic republican form of government?

  4. Saul Atlinsky says , Tell the people what the other side is doing, when you’re doing it yourself. The New York Times is soooooooooooooooooo full of shit. They no nothing about the right side but blame it. As Reagan would say, they’re you go again.
    Charles Manson falls in line perfectly with the Democratic Plantation.

    He goes with everything they represent to a T.
    They may be called liberals but, have nothing in common with liberty.
    They maybe called progressives but has nothing to do with making progress.
    The democratic plantation is more of a cult that brainwashes kids in school on up into college to believe in their utopia ideas that will never work in america.
    The left don’t agree with nothing the right side has to offer.
    They will lie, cheat, steal and even kill to push their agenda forward.

    They don’t respect anything or anyone who trys to make a clear difference in their lives own their own.
    They want to hold you back, dumb you down so that you’re depending on they’re support.
    The don’t believe in less government , less taxes, more independents on the regular American. Allowing them to persue their own happiness.
    That sure as hell don’t sound like a right wing Charles Manson either.

    Who blows up starts tearing up shit when things don’t go their way or starts blaming lies and crap the hate group shake down artist. Who’s always after everyone’s free speech because they can’t handle the truth or always after you’ve gun so that you can’t defend yourself.
    Who’s always wanting to start come kind of war here in america.
    Something to divide a nation.
    From not allowing all men to be created equal to women’s lib. To calling every white american a racist. Putting the rich against the poor. Black vs, white, thinking that socialism , diversity, equality, will bring us a new beginning of the utopia they call heaven.
    But, leaving god , faith, morals, family and country out of the picture.
    Not accepting that capitalism tells the tell. Of who wins and loses.
    The democratic plantation needs to be put in its place as a washed up hate cult that is anti American should be kicked out of America for good.
    What would happen if this was to come to pass.
    1. Smarter kids.
    2. Less crime.
    3. Less government.
    4. A better place to live.
    5. Neighbor helping neighbor.
    6. Less gun violence
    7. Better colleges.
    8. Better churches.
    9. Better communities
    10. Working government for the people.
    Just think, if you have to lie you’re ideas to start with, how good could they really be to start with?
    If you have to force someone to believe you’re lie, then why bother.
    If you have to cheat you’re way into to power, look.how bad you look at the end.
    Americans is a great bunch of people as a whole.
    Hard working, god fearing, family loving, willing to give the shirts off their back to help a person in need. UNTIL,
    you lie to us. Cheat us, or take something that don’t belong to you. Or hurt one of our kids. Then you get what you deserve.
    We personally don’t give a shit what color you are as long as you act like you got some sense.
    Or what country you came from as long as you want the American dream as well.
    Don’t bring you’re crazy shit over here.
    What ever flavor name they want to use to make them look better through shit glasses if it calling them,
    1. Democrats
    2. Progressives
    3. Liberal
    4. Community organizers
    5. Diversity
    6. Equally
    7. Socialist
    8. Racist
    9. Family hating
    10. God hating
    11. Baby killing
    12. Country running
    13. Vote stealing
    14. Brainwashing
    15. Culture killing
    16. History changing
    17. War starting
    18. Shake down artist
    19. Power grabbing
    20. Race baiting
    There’s no good thing come from the democratic plantation. NOTHING.

    • Charles Manson doesn’t fall in line with ANY political ideation. He was a career criminal and a murderer. Period.

      Trying to assign some kind of political motive to his horrific crimes is just ridiculous.

      So, let’s put it into realistic terms, okay? I was 14 when those murders happened. We were all so frightened, that our parents would not let us out of their sight. My dad came down to the house where I was babysitting to stay with me until the parents got home.

      Charles Manson ordered those murders because he was p.o.’d over not getting a recording contract. That Axl Rose actually recorded one of his songs in no way justifies his conduct, OR the conduct of his followers.

      This was a revenge killing — not a political one. It was absolutely brutal and all you have to do is look up the crime scene photos to see that for yourself.

      The ONLY “loyalty” he EVER had was to HIMSELF. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

      His “ladies” cannot follow him soon enough for me.

      • HE was who assigned the “political motivation” to his acts: if you haven’t read it, get hold of the book Helter Skelter; it was written by the prosecutor who got him put away, but it was based on the information uncovered during the trial; Manson believed it was his job to start the race war in America. I was a bit older when that happened, into my 20s, and recall the news being full of it too, back during that summer of ’69. Of course that all came out of his drug addled and sociopathic mind, but that was his excuse for those murders that summer.

        • I read it, and I followed every single second of that trial, and I know that he said he wanted to start a race war. His “political motivation” was nothing but an excuse. Did you know that his “family” actually murdered one of his defense attorneys? I’m sorry, but I will never buy the alt-right b.s. the NYT is putting out. I believe it was a revenge killing — rich against poor, etc., and he has made numerous excuses for his actions over the years. He was a murderer, he’s dead, ’nuff said. He was no better than Jim Jones, David Koresh, or any other moron who thought he was somehow divine.

          • I wasn’t trying to excuse him; only to point out that it was Manson himself who assigned the political motivation, not the NYT. I haven’t read the NYT in decades; they fell too far left too. I used to live out in that area in the ’40s -’60s, and am well acquainted with it. What he was is just plain evil; a monster in human skin.

          • “Did you know that his “family” actually murdered one of his defense attorneys?”

            Where did you hear that whopper? Alex Jones?

          • Here is the reference.

            Ronald Hughes – Wikipedia

            Ronald W. Hughes (March 16, 1935 – c. November 1970) was an American attorney who represented Manson family member Leslie Van Houten. Hughes disappeared while on a camping trip during a ten-day recess from the Tate-LaBianca murder trial in November 1970.

            His body was so badly decomposed when it was found — wedged between two boulders — that an exact cause of death could not be determined. Several “family members” wrote and stated that his was the first of the so-called “Retaliation Murders.”

            Read the reference I gave you. I followed every single second of that trial and have read every scrap of material there is on this heinous crime. Ronald Hughes had been threatened numerous times by Manson’s followers.

          • From you wiki post-

            County sheriff Charlie Rudd, who was assigned to investigate Hughes’ disappearance, stated that he felt Hughes’ death was accidental because there were no signs of foul play. Rudd believes that Hughes was stranded by the rainstorm which caused the creek to swell. He believes that Hughes drowned or was knocked unconscious and killed by rocks and debris as he was swept away by the water.[12] Musician and author Ed Sanders, who was a friend of Hughes’, wrote about his death in his 1971 book The Family. Sanders also believes that his death was an accidental drowning.[13]”

            So there is really no evidence of your claim-

          • Did you read the reference I sent you??? Obviously not.

            It isn’t a “claim” but came directly from the autopsy report. His body was so badly composed that an exact cause of death could never be established.

            Vincent Bugliosi always felt that his death was “suspicious,” given that it came at a time when the court was in recess, AND given that his body was found in an area where the Manson “family” used to live.

            It was NOT a “supposition” and it was NOT a “false claim.” I came directly from the encyclopedia, sir AND from the news at the time.

      • yeah and california voided his death sentence

  5. Ok, the media.
    We the people should have the right to have freedom of the press. To get the news. The word out. To know what’s going on in our towns, community, our state, our government. Our world.
    Who does this?
    The papers dont.
    The news industy dont.
    The local or world news dont.

    They want you to know what they want you to hear.
    Especially their opinions.
    ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, NOW FOX all they’re sister stations , CNBC, MSNBC, TELEMUNDO, ETC…..
    all are bought and paid for by the liberal democratic plantation.
    George Soros ,
    These ass clowns couldn’t tell the truth even if it was on the tellaproper.
    They have an agenda to hide the truth.
    Propaganda news.
    Sports isn’t sports anymore.
    I’ve lost interest.
    The weather will also lie to push global warming for al gore.
    Hollywood in the news business.
    Actors and actress can give you their paid for opinions to push their agenda.
    Not their personal one.
    Sports teams thinks they can protest and get paid doing so.
    Actors can protest and make films about their agenda and get paid for it.
    Brainwashing society to dumb us down to allow them to take way not just some of our freeds but not stopping until they have them all.
    Pushing European ways here in America.
    Not telling the facts about how corupt the democratic plantation really is. Holding their feet to the fire.
    How messed up Hollywood is.
    Or liberal states so the people there can vote them out of office.
    Changing the numbers or spinning the words to make them look good.
    Knowing the state doing so poorly.
    They should be held accountable for their actions.
    I’ve stop watching their lies.
    Half truths.

    How can we the people ever trust the news they report?

    WE CAN’T.

      So long ago that the aren’t even worm food! Any flesh has been consumed by the worms years ago! All we’re left with is “PROPAGANDA” mongers! They tell you everything and ONLY what the puppet masters wish you to hear!! I don’t trust the LSM (Lame Stream Media) at all!

      In actuality they are closer to being like the Russian Izvestia and RIA Novostiy, Gov.’t spin or Pravda if you like the tabloid news!!

      Lame Stream Media:
      CNN – Communist Nonsense Network or Certified NON-complete Nonsense or Calumny Nonsense Network *** or “Counterfeit Nonsense Network” OR “Childish Nonsense Network” or “Crap NOT News”
      or Cesspool Nonsense Network or Constant Negative News or Communist News Network or ConningU News Network
      CBS – Communist Broadcast System or Calumny Broadcast System *** or Corrupted Bull Sheit
      ABC – Accredited B.S. Channel or Anarchists Bullying Channel or Always Broadcasting Communism
      NBC – No Broadcasting Credibility or Nothing But Conjecture or Nothing But Corruption or Nothing But Crap!!!
      MSNBC – Main Stream National BullChit Channel! Most Stupid Numbed Brain Channel! Many SMALL Numbed Brain Cells or More Snotty Nonsense By Chicks.
      PBS-Premeir B.S.
      NPR- National Propaganda Reporting
      What do they all have in common?? ANYTHING negative about the DimmiWITZ or positive about a Republican WILL NEVER see air time!!

  6. The fact is that everything that is wrong with this country today can be traced to the verminous crowd of scrofulous drug-sodden and verminous degenerates who were spoiled in the 1950s and early 1960s by the sacrifices of their parents and the affluence they created, indoctrinated with atheist marxism by the homosexuals and cosmopolites of the Frankfurt School and manipulated by the Communist Party to bring the United States close to revolution, collapse and takeover by the Soviets and the Chicoms at the end of the 1960s. Satanic murderer Manson was the Horst Wessel or Che Guevara of that movement, which was only stopped at the last ditch by the courageous anti-communist resistance of Richard Nixon and Joseph McCarthy, the irrepressible and insouciant defiance of George Wallace and the courage of the Ohio National Guard at Kent State.

  7. I guess ignorance wins again. Mason was pure left. extremist. Antifa and others all the same. Whacos full of hate. White supremacist are all left close to real Communism. There is no such thing as alt right.

  8. Wow this guy is so far gone he cant roll his own joints.Burned out roach left over from the 60s. Manson preyed on run away children, he didnt like to work, he was a pimp and a theif. Sounds more like a welfare food stamp piece of white trash to me.

  9. Well I’m glad Manson is dead.
    I think he had more in common with the Clintons than the Republicans……

  10. Far Right???? Sounds like the Clinton group to me.

  11. William E. McNamara Jr.

    I don’t get it. The insane democrats continuously accuse Republicans of violence, yet every time there is violence, it is an insane democrat neophyte carrying it out. More of the communist tactic “blame others for what you are doing”. There is no such thing as “far right”.

  12. This explains a lot about today’s Democratic Party.
    In an article published in late June, anti-communist analyst Trevor Loudon, author of the book The Enemies Within: Communists, Socialists and Progressives in the US Congress, shined the spotlight on the multiple communists and “radical anti-American socialists” serving on the platform committee. Among the figures cited in the report are a number who have been involved in the “Democratic Socialists of America,” which Loudon described as “a communist group based on the theories of Italian Communist party theoretician Antonio Gramsci — an advocate of revolution through infiltration.” Other platform members were from what he referred to as “more traditionally communist groups.”

    “Most of these individuals could not pass an FBI background security check to sell you stamps at the Post Office,” Loudon argued in his June 26 article. “They would not be allowed to clean the toilets on any military base in this country. Yet they are drafting policies that will shape the lives of more than 300 million Americans. It is time for loyal Democrats to realize that their party is no longer the party of Harry Truman, or JFK. It has been hijacked at the highest levels by enemies of the U.S. Constitution and American freedom.”

    And indeed, there can be little doubt that some of the extremists identified by Loudon are hostile to the U.S. Constitution and the liberties of the American people. In fact, they say so themselves throughout the Democrat Party platform they drafted — a document that includes brazen attacks even on constitutionally protected liberties such as free speech, and of course flagrantly denies even the right to life by promoting taxpayer-funded killing of unborn children across America and worldwide. The fact that the extremists were appointed with the support or at least tacit approval of leading Democrats, including Hillary Clinton and DNC boss Debbie Wasserman Schultz, also speaks volumes.

    Several of the socialists identified by Loudon are affiliated with the Democratic Socialists of America, the nation’s largest and most prominent socialist organization. Aside from promoting dangerous tyranny and constitutional subversion in the United States, the DSA is also an affiliate of the totalitarian global alliance of communists and socialists known as the Socialist International. The SI, of course, is a world socialist government-promoting outfit that includes numerous murderous political parties from around the globe. So extreme is the global outfit that its 24th Congress in 2012 was hosted by a Marxist political party whose president was at the time busy advocating genocide of minorities on national television.

    Another dangerous outfit well-represented on the Democrat Party’s platform committee is the Communist Party USA, once a tentacle of the mass-murdering Soviet regime in the United States. However, the presence of CPUSA friends and activists on the Democrat Party’s key committee guiding the party’s positions is hardly a surprise. Last year, the CPUSA’s boss, John Bachtell, even boasted openly that his Marxist-Leninist organization “utilizes” the increasingly radical Democratic Party to advance its totalitarian objectives in the United States. “At this stage we are about building the broad people’s movement led by labor that utilizes the vehicle of the Democratic Party to advance its agenda,” Bachtell wrote to his supporters.

    The first anti-American socialist highlighted by Loudon is Dr. Cornel West, a supporter of socialist Bernie Sanders and a supposed “theologian” who does not even bother to conceal his radical socialist views and extreme agenda. In fact, after decades of membership, West also became Honorary Chair of the Democratic Socialists of America. West also founded the socialist New Party in the 1990s and has produced a great deal of Marxist propaganda, including, among other resources, the book The Ethical Dimensions of Marxist Thought. He has been a pioneer in exploring how race-mongering and fanning race hatred can be exploited by socialists to advance their totalitarian agenda.

    Also cited by Loudon is Representative Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), another Sanders supporter who, among other controversies, has been a supporter of the radical Nation of Islam. Despite his open advocacy for homosexuality, Ellison is the first “Muslim” elected to the U.S. Congress. He is also “a longtime associate of the Minnesota Communist Party,” according to Loudon. “Keith Ellison has held several meetings in the home of recently deceased Minnesota Communist Party leader Erwin Marquit, was elected with the help of teams of communist phone bankers and has contributed an article to the Communist Party USA‘s People’s World website,” Loudon explained. Indeed, the CPUSA’s propaganda mouthpiece even promoted Ellison’s campaign for Congress, calling him a “fresh progressive” and “established progressive leader.”

    Another socialist helping to write the Democrat platform is Obama’s former “climate czar” Carol Browner. Plenty of the “qualifications” on her résumé ought to raise eyebrows for Americans concerned about freedom and sovereignty. Perhaps most alarming, though, is Browner’s leadership seat on the Socialist International’s “Commission for a Sustainable World Society,” which openly sought to impose “global governance” on humanity and “promote socialist ideas and work towards this objective at international level” under the guise of dealing with supposed man-man global warming. Browner also has a long history of working with extremist groups, including an outfit known as “Citizen Action” founded by former Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) radicals.

    Numerous other extremists with troubling track records of totalitarian, anti-constitutional extremism are also listed among the platform committee’s members. Representative Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.), for example, is “a former member of the pro-Cuba, Marxist-Leninist Puerto Rican Socialist Party,” Loudon explained, adding that Gutierrez, an open-borders activist, was also involved with a Maoist group and the socialist New Party. Gutierrez is currently in hot water for showering hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds on his wife and daughters.

    Also listed is Paul Booth, a Big Labor organizer for government workers and a DSA leader whose group has helped train “thousands of community organizers in Saul Alinsky tactics.” Alinsky dedicated his book on how to seize power to Lucifer. Representative Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), described by Loudon as “a longtime associate of Democratic Socialists of America and the Communist Party USA,” is also on the platform committee. Lee, who has been to Communist Party-ruled Cuba more than 20 times, was also a secret member of the Communist Party breakaway group Committees of Correspondence.

    Of course, none of this is a new phenomenon. In a March 1999 exposé of socialists and communists in Congress by The New American, Robert W. Lee showed how the “House Progressive Caucus,” founded by avowed socialists and communists, was becoming increasingly influential while attempting to conceal its extremism behind lofty rhetoric. Indeed, many of those identified had a long and dangerous history of working with America’s sworn communist enemies to subvert the U.S. Constitution and promote tyranny worldwide. Today, the extremists are more powerful than ever, and, along with their globalist comrades, practically run the Democrat Party.

    Unsurprisingly, the Democrat Party’s draft platform reflects the dangerous extremism of the committee that wrote it. That is bad news for America. Indeed, if it were to be implemented, what remains of the Judeo-Christian foundations of America, the U.S. Constitution, and the liberties it protects would all be obliterated, along with America’s remaining prosperity. Americans who value the U.S. Constitution and the liberties it protects should educate others about the dangerous cast of characters that helped write the Democrat Party’s agenda.

    The Communist Left >>>>>> Transforming USA into a COMMUNIST country (FULL video)


  13. These people have totally lost it! I actually feel embarrassed for a news paper that would actually print this kind of pathetic garage! No doubt why this country is so divided with this kind of propaganda being printed this could actually provoke a lunatic to pick up a gun and start killing people! NYT please be more responsible and think of possible serious consequences over printing such outrageous statements only to sell news papers that could cost many innocent people their lives!!

  14. He had far more in common with the alt left, killing innocents, yes that would be the leftists. Wacked out, yes again. Belong in jail, definitely.

  15. Memo to Mr. Baynard Woods of the NYT, “Your Mother Ship” is coming to collect you. Please take as many libby lefty loonies as you possibly can.”

  16. NY Times you and the times is a total POS!

  17. Frankly, the so-called label “far right” (Nazis and white supremacist types)is is the figment of some deranged liberal media imaginations and is an ongoing attempt to destroy the conservative movement, The far right has everything in common with communism/tyranny and dictatorships not conservative values. it is designed to make conservatives guilty and/or defensive. And they have succeeded beyond their wildest expectations – until now. They are not used to push back.

  18. Joan Ferrantesimplyme

    Does this paper ever print anything worth reading!! Liberals ya can smell them from afar!! UGH!!! the stench!!

  19. The only “racist fury” being expressed these days is by antifa and BLM; both FAR LEFT anarchist groups. TYPICALLY, they accuse the “right” of doing what they actually ARE doing, trying to claim the “moral high ground”, which they can never legitimately do, being as they behave in entirely amoral manners.The hippies of the ’60s became the yippies of later decades. They were leftist in the ’60s and STILL are the leftists today. But of course leftist rag NYT would seek to deflect its own guilt and that of those it supports to the “enemy”.

    • sandraleesmith46
      You are completely right. The Hippies of the 60 did become the yuppies, strange from “do your own thing” to “me generation”. Yes the left in America deceive in an attempt to claim the moral high ground. But we all know that they do not have any morals. Just look at our history not taught in schools anymore.
      Senator Bird according to Clintons’ and Obama said that Bird (upon his death) “He was the conscience of the Senate” He was back in the day a leader of the KKK.
      The Republican was the party that passed the Civil right laws in the 1950’s when they were in power, not the DEM’s
      Jackson the first DEM’s President was responsible for killing and moving the Indians to reservations
      Wilson was responsible for activing the KKK again in this country. The KKK were to the left the same as the Brown Shirts were for Hitler.
      Eugenic-Margaret Sanger in America responsible for force sterilizations for what the left in America consider Disposable People, the poor and unfit. She became the Icon for the Planned Parenthood movement in the US. Sanger. Planned Parenthood International is to the left what the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute was to Nazis. We also have our Mengele it was Gosnell.
      I can go on but I think you got the picture.

    • Would it be OK if I converted this comment into a stand-alone article for Writer Beat? There is no fee; I’m simply trying to add more co5ntent diversity for our community and liked what you wrote.

      I’ll be sure to give you complete credit as the author. You can learn more about Writer Beat by checking out my profile or just say “sure” and I’ll handle the rest.

      • Sure, go ahead. Anything I post for public consumption is just that: for public consumption.

          • I see most of those lean pretty far left and think they’re “centerist” too, much like “Medium” a similar site on which I frequently post. “Left” has moved SO FAR left, the center got left somewhere in the middle of what used to be the “right”! 50 years ago, I was a centerist; without “moving” I found myself hard into the right over the decades. And at least 1 doesn’t even know there is no “alt right”; those are LEFT too. I guess you have to be OLD enough to remember the hippy age to even realize how that change happened. Very sad indeed, for America.

          • Any interest in engaging your commenters?

          • Not really; I encounter enough of their ilk on sites I’m already on. I’m getting too old for this war and my blood pressure takes the hits.

  20. Let’s get this straight: Charles Manson (“Mr.” Manson, as Baynard writes? – REALLY???) was a stinking, worthless, murderous, HIPPIE BASTARD LOSER, and he should have been put to death!!! The only reason he wasn’t was because California got rid of the death penalty around the time he was sentenced. The fantasy world the Left lives in is ridiculous (obviously). Any comparison of Charles Manson to the TEA Party or other conservatives is like comparing Adolf Hitler to Normal Rockwell.

  21. Mason and the NY Times have at least one thing in common: Insanity.

  22. He was clearly a socialist attempting to provoke a revolution like any good communist, “Revolution is the god of the Communist”.

    • What is that tattoo between his eye brows mean?

      • This was considered the best answer, but you do remember the objective of the attack and murders to begin the war between whites and blacks to DESTROY THE EXISTING GOVERNMENT OF AMERICA:
        Best Answer:
        Attention. But he said, seceded from the human race. Then,

        he joined the airian nation. Because they are the superior race. He was and is CRAZY. And when did he come up with that one? In Prison, again the objective was to destroy the U. S. and create his idea of a Utopian Society.

        • ” Then,he joined the airian(sic)(aryan) nation. Because they are the superior race”

          Sounds like the alt right to me-Are they socialists as well-a bit confused – aren’t you?

          • That was presented by a another group, but the symbol on his forehead is represented of Nazism which as you know is a symbol for the Socialists promoting the Arian Concept. Now remember there used to be a large contingent of Nazism in New York which actually had the names of Nazi heroes. Yes, arians were of Germanic descent, but remember how the Nazi’s killed what they considered defective peoples, the elderly, the imperfect to create the super race. Now I grant you the group would consider any other race was defective other than those of the Germanic Races. But ultimately we are talking Socialism, where the GOVERNMENT DETERMINES WHO LIVES OR DIES AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR Republican form of representative government and has nothing to do with government by and for the people. He was CRAZY. You may consider we are a conglomerate of people and not an idea of promoting separate groups. Before these ideas had been promoted, most if not all of those coming to America were more interested in joining the American Ideals of Freedom of Religion, Thought and learning one language and not promoting our DIFFERENCES. You may enjoy being of a certain culture, such as Mozambican but you would want to be an AMERICAN after all. Manson had no use for racism but for the Revolution which is more of a socialist and communist ideal.

  23. Yup, if that’s true then how come most if not ALL of the mass murderers have been DEMOCRATS ? You a** hole. As usual you twist the facts to what you wish they were.
    Democrats kill, babies, inner city poor, the elderly, my guess is that Charlie was a Demon-Crat, his opinions that I’ve heard of sure point in that direction. He hated the rich and successful, blacks and wanted a race war to wipe them out. Where do you find most if not all abortion clinics and what party is hell bent on continuing to murder their babies, what inner cities have the most black on black murder ? The answer, where ever Demon-Crats are in charge.

  24. For the many of us who are conservatives, and have some fuxking common sense, all you need to know is that the New York Times said it! No further comment is necessary!

        • David Horowitz, not a bias source…I guess only contards are allowed to use bias sources….HA,ha,ha,ha….

          • LOL. Psychology today is an unbiased source?

          • To you, anything or any one who is associated with higher education aka learning is liberal bias.- The under educated (“I love the under educated”) to you are the only people whose “common sense” matters.

            BTW- What is your”problem” with gay identifiers?

          • People with high educations also think our ancestors were apes and that man can control the climate.

            Sorry sonny, unlike you I’m exit only and gays vote democrat. Just ask Obama/ Want to get demolished in a gun debate?http://theconspiracyblog.com/conspiracies/current-politics/barack-obama/1135-obama-photo-holding-hands-with-gay-pakistani-lover

          • No, they dont. Stupid people think that is true.

          • So you don’t believe in evolution? First thing that you ever said that was correct.

          • What? Of course I do. Now, tell me about those 3 PhD’s….

          • When did I say anything about 3 PHD’s? What’s your educational and job background, Larry? Section 8, welfare and food stamps Larry?

          • Yes you did.No one on assistance in Belle Meade. You are projecting, white trash.

          • Larry I was just goizzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzz..zzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzz..

          • Chris.

          • Different liar. You mentioned a “4 year business degree”. Even funnier. Details?

          • ….and the dumb seem to believe edited video clips and that the Present has power? Funny as!
            Definitely descended form apes – your avatar proves that, despite the science. Stuff climate change, but would like cleaner water and air and moving on from fossil fuels seems sensible – they’ll run out and “free” is more economic.

          • If you think yo descended from apes you probably did. Where’s your real photo? Put up a real avatar and let me have a laugh. The climate has always changed even before man was on Earth, so what made it change before man was on Earth? Dino farts? If only the genius scientists could put a thermostat on the Sun.

            We already have clean air and water and when you can come up with something cheaper and more efficient than fossil fuels, I’m on board.

          • Suggest you look up “Evolution”. Science.
            Climate has always changed – no disagreement; neither side has a winning argument. Gaping holes in both. I merely intimated that I would prefer my descendants to have cleaner water and air and free fuel. Duh!
            We have pollution in some areas and heaps in Asia – we have less now because of regulation.
            We have free solar water – seems more sensible to develop now than last minute.

          • Evolution is a theory that hasn’t been proven. Where’s the missing link? Why aren’t apes turning into men today? If the species have advanced, why can’t dolphins and dogs talk? It’s Darwin BS.

          • Evolution has science as a back-up. creationism has fiction and was written after the “perps” were dead, sometimes by well over a 100 years.
            Fairy story over science.
            Dolphins and dogs presumably do talk – just not in English. Duh!

          • Dogs have been barking of years. Why can’t they talk with people? Evolution didn’t work with the dogs! Evolution is a theory and we were created. Read “Genesis Revisited” By (pardon my spelling) Zecharia Sitchen. Say his to your ape family for me!

          • Why can’t we bark dog?
            We tweaked dog genetics for our own good.
            say hi to God/Allah/Yahweh – same guy, different pants. I’d rather go for a surf!

          • We agree, your ancestors were apes.

          • Guns: W Europe, Canada, NZ and Australia have licencing and regulation. Homicide rate a fifth to a tenth of US’s
            US averages a mass shooting every day – W Europe et al don’t collectively have 365 in the lifetime of the gun.
            US city with highest homicide rate – St Louis, open carry. Number two – Baltimore – open carry.
            Can’t think of anything else but it would seem licencing and regulation work when imposed nationally.

          • 66% of all gun deaths are suicides. That’s two third of 30,000. 90% are done by gang bangers if inner-cities under democrat control with the toughest gun laws in the country. And they’e all done with illegal weapons. The rest are justified killings by police and private citizens. About 200 accidents a year. We are 113 on the list of the most gun related deaths. Take away the inner cities under democrat control. we would be 3rd from the bottom. I know what would cut down on homicides. Tougher laws for bangers with illegal weapons and not the people who aren’t committing the crime.

          • Suicide is not homicide – so what?
            The homicide rate is the worst among our peers and much of the Middle East – we are better than crazed places. Just! Whoop!
            St Louis and Baltimore have open carry and the worst rates – did you miss that bit?

          • Suicide is part of the 30,000. As I said, we are 113 from the stop in homicides and 90% of those are done by obama’s sons with illegal weapons and no where near ME numbers.

            St’ louis and Baltimore does’t have open carry, that’s a lie My state has constitutional carry.

          • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Missouri
            Permit required. Big deal – look there’s John Wayne.
            Suicide is not part of homicide. Who cares.
            Homicide – 50/50 white and black and mostly folk shoot the same color.
            Most of the Middle East has considerably lower rates of homicide.

          • Your links don’t work. Correct, suicide isn’t homicide. Want a gun debate? What laws would you come up with?

          • Yes, they do! I’m correct as per usual!
            Suspect something like what they have in sensible countries – licence and regulation. Will only work federally. Why is W Europe et al’s homicide rate so much lower? We average a mass shooting per day, collectively they haven’t had that many in the lifetime of the gun. No one is denied a gun – subject to criminal and mental health checks. Hunters still hunt, target shooters still practice. Less fruits, idiots and crims with them I guess.

          • Yougave yourself a thumbs up, pathetic. Typical dumb response, make the laws tougher for those not committing the gun crimes. The key solution is tougher gun laws for those black gang bangers who commit all the gun crimes with illegal weapons. You think they get FBI background checks?

            We are currently at 113 on the list of gun crimes, and if you take away all the inner-cities under democrat control with the toughest gun laws in the country, we would be 4th from the bottom. In NH where I live we have a very low gun crime rate, and like Vermont, who also has a low rate we have constitutional carry. Tougher laws and sentences for those committing the crimes.

          • Source?

          • Pathetic – if you visit quiet rural areas in W Europe et al you’ll find the same results. Lower crime -duh!
            What is wrong with their laws? Homicide rate is a fifth to a tenth of US’s, the Middle East mostly have lower rates.
            Your argument is churlish and ignorant.

          • There isn’t a high gun crime rate because of law abiding citizens who pass FBI background checks or NRA members, it’s all on the shoulders of obama’s sons. You idiots come up with tougher gun laws for those not committing the crimes. How fricken dumb are you?

          • Think you’ll find homicide is a fairly even split between races. Suspect you’ll find all would come under low income bracket.
            Ha, ha, ha – for someone who cries “Constitution/2nd Amendment” you are a bit silly. “All men are created equal………” Don’t recall a line saying “Except for niggas”? Maybe in your copy? So that would be un-constitutional – duh!
            So what’s wrong with W Europe et al laws? They work.
            America – happy with mediocrity. You have no argument!

          • Black men are 6% of the population and commit 90% of gun crime. Do you think they’ve had FBI background checks? The answer is tougher and longer sentences for those bangers committing the crimes. Common sense not liberal logic.

          • Irrelevant, 95% of the perps are low socio-economic.
            W Europe et al rules work – tougher sentencing does not.

          • We’e not talking socio-economics we’re talking about tougher laws and lax laws are the problem.

          • Maybe you should engage your brain (?) before speaking. We already have very high penalties, compared to W Europe. We also have one of the highest, if not “the”, incarceration rates per capita in the world. At least we’re top of something huh!
            America – not really working!

          • We don’t have harsh penalties. Yu keep talking about E. Europe. The UK has the highest crime rate baseball bats and knives the weans of choice. We’re not Europe.

          • Suggest you do some research – homicide rate is five to ten times W Europe et al. We have harsher penalties and our incarceration rate is considerably higher. Maybe you should find a better argument – you’ve just been walked all over!

          • Why are they five to ten times higher? Like I’ve already said, takes away all the murders in inner-cities with the toughest gun laws and under democrat rule, we’d be 4th from the bottom. You haven’t walked all one me because yo can’t tell me what you could do to stop the gun related murders, but I have.

          • Drivel. You must be proud, burger flipper.

          • Projection, boy. You’re a college grad? (eye roll)

          • Vanderbilt. Full ride. Your 4 year business degree? IQ? Curent reading list?

          • Sure. If I told you my job you would just call me a liar so it’s a moot point. The books I read are all by right wing authors.

          • Too funny. Your posts are very telling.

          • Your posts are fucking stupid.

          • How so?

          • Ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you have yet to produce a fact.

          • Giving yourself a thumbs up is pretty pathetic. Here’s a fact, making it more difficult for law abiding citizens to get firearms will not save lives. Tougher laws for those committing the crimes will save lives. All of the mass killings are done by liberals or Jihadis and I don’t see much of a difference between the two groups. They’re both intolerant.

          • Really? Then please explain W Europe et al with their considerably lower homicide rate? Maybe they just have fewer dumb people?

          • You’re so dumb. They don’t have inner-city black and Hispanic gang bangers with illegal weapons committing almost all the homicides. You’re too easy. You gave yourself a thumbs up, at least someone agrees with you but he must be real stupid!

          • Really – well they don’t have Hispanic gangs but they have black and Asian. Obviously licencing and regulation work then! WoA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • And where do all the gun related murders happen, welfare boy? In inner cities run by democrats. KAPOW!

          • St Louis and Baltimore go with the state laws on guns – so your point is irrelevant.
            Were do most gun related murders occur? Inner cities – wherever. there’s just a load less in W Europe et al with licencing and regulation. WoA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Here’s what democrats and their gun laws create. Last year in one small pert of the city, the South side of Chicago there were 4,379 people shot and 716 shot and killed. That’s just one inner-city. There’s also South Central in LA with similar numbers. How will tougher laws prevent this? What the numb skull democrats do is make it tougher for those who aren’t doing the crimes. Not going to beat me in a gun debate or any other debate for that matter. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/are-you-internet-troll

          • Meanwhile in W Europe et al licensing and regulation have given them a homicide rate a fifth to a tenth of the U.S.’s and fewer mass shootings in the lifetime of the gun compared to one year in America. WoA!

          • What? WoA!

          • It does matter because if you take away those inner-city gun murders we would have a very low gun crime rate. Here in NH we have constitutional carry like Vermont and vey low crime. The muggers don’t know who’s packing. What does WoA mean? You’re really strange and I’ve never communicated with anyone who gives themselves a thumbs up. Are thugs up important to you, Buford?

          • Take away inner city homicide everywhere and we’re still top of the shit-hole among our peers. Duh!
            They can carry in St Louis and Baltimore, they still have the highest homicide rates in the country. Duh!
            Walked all Over. WoA! Duh!

          • Because of the democrat’s refusal to have stronger laws for those committing the crimes. the high numbers are the democrat’s fault.

            The South side has the highest gun crime in the country, Nazi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPmKmfULrGI

          • Stronger laws – you mean licensing and regulation? Duh!
            Soros – get over it. Whole story don’t cherry-pick drivel.

          • Do you think gang bangers go through licensing and background checks LOL! You’re sooooo stupid. >>>>this explains it. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12/new-poll-finds-92-democrats-uninformed-ignorant-easily-played/

          • W Europe et al explain it better.

          • We already have licensing and background checks. Do you think that gang bangers with illegal weapons go through background checks? Duh! Give me a link that proves me wrong. crickets>>>crickets>>>>

          • No license except for machine gun. Duh! W Europe et al works! WoA!

          • Send me a link and prove me wrong.

          • Take away the inner-cities and the US is lower crime rate than Europe. Here’s the proof. http://www.fbi,gov I’ve proven you wrong…again.

          • Not fair – take away inner city trouble everywhere and America still remains the toilet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WoA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • 66% of gun deaths in the US are suicides. fib.gov. The rest are murders in inner-cities by black and Hispanic gang bangers. Once again I’m correct and you are wrong.
            You lose….again. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us/murder-rates-rising-sharply-in-many-us-cities.html

          • ……..and elsewhere has no inner city issues? WoA!

          • Almost every state has inner-cities, and slums are always under democrat rule. Once again I’m correct and you are wrong…again.

          • …….and no other country has inner city issues? Duh! WoA!

          • zzzzzzzzzZZZzzzzzzz

          • Who cares about inner-cities in other countries. The slums here are run by democrats.

          • Irrelevant – think you’ll find the slums are run by socialists there and Democrats are no were close to that. Conservatives with social responsibility at most.

          • Bingo! Democrat policies=poverty. (see obama)

          • You’re wrong….again. Look up the numbers and prove me wrong, you can’t. fib.gov

          • Who is “fib”

          • What did I say that wasn’t fact? You’re just getting your ass kicked.

          • Provide one that was a fact with a reputable reference – good luck!

          • Walked all over. The top two worst cities are “open carry”. Take out black homicide and still 3-6 times worse.
            Mass shootings, more of a white thing – we average more than one per day, W Europe et al haven’t had 365 in the lifetime of the gun. 400+ years!
            Yes, I did, licence and regulation – works elsewhere. Duh! Also brought in predominantly by conservative parties.
            Walked all over – ha, ha, ha!
            Back in your hole!

          • What no response nothing to substantiate your drivel is there. Just what you make up – are you a Nazi or a commie, I suspect the former and a disgrace to humanity.
            Thing is when you’ve traveled some you realize what a dump the US is. Homicide, crime, social disparity and mobility, healthcare and education systems. Numero uno shit-hole!
            You’ve got no comeback – the facts all back me up; you only have hyperbole and BS , plus a bucket of conspiracy theory.
            Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Try Cuba! I hear it’s nice this time of year. And free healthcare!

          • What’s wrong with W Europe et al? Though I believe Cuba’s healthcare is deemed close to the U.S.’s in rankings.
            America – always striving for mediocrity.

          • It’s deemed close to the US’s in rankings? If you’re rich in Cuba LOL! http://www.therealcuba.com

          • The World Health Organization ranks healthcare services by speed, efficiency and value for money – we sit next to Cuba last time I checked. WoA!

          • f you’re rich their healthcare is great and that’s why Hugo Chavez flew there with his cancer. The average Joe on the street doesn’t get the healthcare the rich does, dummy.

            And speaking of dummy’s, another one gave you an up vote.

          • Healthcare is irrespective of money in Cuba – socialized medicine; just turn up. WoA!

          • Like I said, the healthcare is great if you’re rich and famous, the residents die in the street. You probably think that Castro was a good guy, alt-lefty. Some knuckle dragger keeps giving you a vote. Pathetic.

          • Only if you’re rich and I sent you the link from a former citizen of Cuba. You’re so dumb! Common Core education? http://www.therealcuba.com

          • Cuba has the second highest number of doctors per capita in the world – maybe they are all on vacation?

          • One person over the WHO – moving on!

          • ZzzzzzzzZZZzzzzzzzzz. WoA!

          • Guess you don’t want the facts! Game. set and match!

          • Facts I can live with, Alt-right unsubstantiated drivel I can do without – when have you produced a fact with reputable reference to support? WoA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • I give you facts and links and instead of denying the content, you attack the source or you say the video was edited.

          • I don’t believe anything that is one person’s view – that is all it is. Reality, Cuba has the 2nd highest number of physicians per capita in the world – U.S. is not in the top ten. They can afford to have a private system too and make money from the wealthy – that’s capitalism, equally it is paying for the rest, that’s socialist.
            Cuba’s greatest problem is US sanctions,which no other country in the world approves of. WoA.

          • Well in fairness some proved to be wrong because of later developments and I have never promoted either side of politics, I’m happy to berate them all. Try again – WoA!

          • 113 – so not numero uno. We’re aiming for mediocrity, worse than the camel jockey’s. Great!

  25. Manson was an admirer of Adolph Hiller. Hitler was a fanatic socialist. Once again the Times assumes we are all stupid enough to believe their twisted (so called) journalism.

  26. The WaPo and NYT are likely the most stupid and backward, lying papers in the USA !

  27. Manson is dead YIPPIE!

  28. Well, Manson was a racist and was proud of being a racist. That fits with right wingnuts. He thought his violent antics would start a race war, There is talk of that among the NRA crowd. He claimed to be Jesus Christ like Roy Moore. I can see a lot of similarities here

  29. Manson had a lot in common with the Alt left as well, ANTIFA etc. So what is the point? Oh I forgot, it is the new York SLIMES.

  30. It’s the blacks and antifa that agree with Manson that they want to kill off one race that they don’t want around..

  31. Learn a little history, KKK, BLM, Antifa, etc. All Democrat hate groups from the far left, Democrats.

  32. Pahahahahaha!

  33. What a sick puppy. When he grows up he may see the light of the truth and become a man rather than a slithering snowflake, pajama boy.

  34. The guy who wrote this must been dyslexic and I had, as the attacks of the left on the right of been overwhelming and not reporting on it. That’s not counting the attacks by blacks or whites, with grapes robberies murders etc. etc.

  35. The fact is Manson was a Marxist!!!

    • Manson was a half asses pimp who preyed on dysfunctional adolescents. If I kept a group of 20 something on acid, I probably talk them into anything too.
      Back in the late 60s the members of the democratic party were bombing black churches, Clinging to Jim Crow Laws, imitation of black voters….. and Vet Nam. They killed over 100,000 young men.


  37. Rather , this killer was a left side activist educated by Dem killers, as I remember…!

  38. WOW, the Clinton’s have a kill list as long as anyone in history, and last I heard they weren’t far right!

  39. You know what is funny as bad as we are I haven’t seen any of us going around killing people like the left has done so this IDIOT is so stupid, it’s just unreal and what is more surprising is that of IDIOTS believe him.

  40. Whomever this coward is (didn’t put their name on the story) the dumb butt isn’t doing the NYT’s any favors. Does the NYT’s not remember what calling the right “deplorables” got the left, specifically Hillary? Call us whatever toots your horn, we know we are so much better than you lefties, bottom line.

  41. There are wackos on the left and wackos on the right. It appears that Manson was a frustrated entertainer who was bothered by those whose talent made them successful. “Death to the Pigs!” No. What did he really mean? He was once being interviewed and he started singing. He then implied that because of his talent he would become a star. Well, yes he did have charisma. Yes, he did have leadership skills. Yes, he had a way with words. Is one to “use his gifts” to murder and commit atrocities? No. Do so. Pay the price. The murderer pays the price. He can blame the “political winds” all he wants. The criminal goes to prison. The talented star receives fame and fortune. Simply stated: Some people become famous. Some people become infamous.

  42. The New York times is the most unethical news paper in America today and reporter Baynard Woods is no better liberal communist to the core.

  43. The New York Times has a lot in common with fish wrap!

  44. The NYT has lost all credibility. It is nothing but a Demo propaganda mill. Just disregard anything they crank out.

  45. If it is in the New York Times, then it is not credible.

  46. and the times is lie a clogged toilet ,full of shittt

  47. I got it ! Neither Manson nor the Right ever read the NY Times. Good Show !

  48. Charles Manson was evil from his satanic partnership with Satan. This was the only association with any group. Manson was not far right he was certainly the most evil multiple murderer in California’s history. Manson and his cult with the use of mind altering drugs from hell were the catalyst that took the lives of Sharon Tate and her precious baby and others. I live in Bakersfield CA where Manson died and no one wants his remains buried here his grave site would be come a shrine for satanic worship. I would recommend that Manson’s remains be tossed into a active full of fire volcano for internment so his body will match his soul in hell for all eternity .

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