Liberals Are Just Pragmatic, Says Liberal

According to The Nation’s Eric Altermann, the fundamental difference between liberalism and conservatism is that “the latter is an ideology and the former isn’t.” Yes, you read that right. You don’t have your latters and your formers confused. He believes that liberalism, at its heart, is nothing more than a tendency to take all the available information, peruse it dispassionately, and then make the correct choice moving forward. Conservatism, on the other hand, is about pursuing maximum economic freedom regardless of the costs.

Altermann uses this jumping off point to assail against today’s conservative intellectuals and pundits, throwing George Will, Rupert Murdoch, and all the rest into a big pile of Koch-funded, lunatic stew. While liberals try their damnedest to follow the evidence, here come the brash, ignorant conservatives to advocate dropping nukes on the Middle East, throwing black mothers in prison, and whatever else our poor, ideologically-twisted minds can come up with.

It’s a strange time to be making such an argument. The last year has been a remarkable one when it comes to demonstrating liberal pragmatism. Was it that famous pragmatism at work when President Obama launched a crusade against the police based on a justified police shooting in Ferguson? What kind of pragmatism led to the University of Virginia suspending a fraternity after a wholly-fabricated story was printed in Rolling Stone magazine?

Maybe when he talks about liberal pragmatism, he’s thinking about State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf, who said earlier this year that our best chance against ISIS was to create jobs for them.

Or maybe Altermann is remembering Dianne Feinstein’s 2013 assertion that we “have federal regulations and state laws that prohibit hunting ducks with more than three rounds. And yet it’s legal to hunt humans with 15-round, 30-round, even 150-round magazines.” Feinstein went on to assure her supporters that if she “could have banned them all,” – meaning all guns – she would have. That sounds pragmatic.

One wonders what kind of evidence the city of Berkeley, California was working from when they ruled that medical marijuana dispensaries were required to devote 2% of their product to low-income patients. God know, studies have shown conclusively that poor people need their weed.

Of course, the list could go on and on. I’m not saying that liberalism and pragmatism are mutually exclusive, but you have to put your head pretty far into the sand to ignore the extreme left. They’re out there, and they are becoming increasingly mainstream. These are the anti-gunners who think we’ve been somehow misreading the Second Amendment for 200 years. These are the feminists who think men are endangering women by sitting a certain way on the subway. These are the social justice warriors who think it’s racist to say a suspect was black.

Altermann’s right about one thing, though: conservatism is an ideology. Its adherents believe that we shouldn’t be so quick to trade the lessons of history for the newest fad theories. It’s an ideology that, when properly applied, cannot fail. And that’s the very definition of pragmatism.

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  1. The far right are nothing but a bunch of bullies. Stay on this blog and you will see. They will do a lot name calling and a bunch of untruths that only they believe. It’ll make you sick to your stomach.

    • And the far left? Name calling from someone who has already called the right a bunch of bullies, go figure.

    • How is living in STUTOPIA working out for you, Wayne?

      • Wayne needs us to kick his a$$. He isn’t but a girly boy who wets his pants, then blames it on the dog. And the smartest man in the world, Rush Limbough has three times the brains, even when half is removed? Do you think Mr. Thor is starting to throw up yet? Wayne just proves that Liberalism is a mental disorder, and that you just can’t fix STUPID!

    • Wayne, it is clear from the comments here that none of these posters have the faintest idea what Pragmatism is. The primary source is CS Peirce’ “How to Make Our Ideas Clear” which is easy to find on the Internet. Over the years Peirce wrote a great deal more about it and it was expanded by others, such as William James, John Dewey, Herbert Mead, Since it revolutionized philosophy and is completely of American origin one would thing that true patriots would be familiar with it. It provides the basis to modern science, for instance and our modern view of Common Law owes much to Oliver Wendel Holmes who was a good friend of James and a pragmatist. This Wikipedia page points to references that provide a good starting point to someone interested in learning about it.

      • BTW, if you understand Pragmatism, part of is is that it rejects foundationalism examples of which would be: Constitutionalism, Biblical morality and, basically, any system built on basic principles. In other words, it is, at its core, relativistic — just like science. That is why it is is is important in the philosophy of science and that is why the author of the article you are attacking is correct, it is a liberal philosophy. Since it is a liberal philosophy it makes more sense to attack Pragmatism than to pretend it is not a liberal philosophy because it is a liberal philosophy. Look up “fallibilsm” which is a part of Pragmatism. President Obama is often called a philosophical Pragmatist. If you are a conservative you do not want to be called a Pragmatist. .

      • President Obama is a Pragmatist, meaning “relativist and liberal:”

    • Do I know what I’m talking about or do I know what I’m talking about? Just read some of these comments. Pure bully talk.

      • No Wayne. You have no IDEA what you are talking about. Please be sure to write your name inside your shirt and pants so when you get done blithering, you can look to remember who you are. And when we find you walking aimlessly in the woods, cold and hungry, we will then know that you are WAYNE THORSON, Blitherer at large! Utopia is down the street to the “left”….. Right next to never,never land……

      • It’s no different than left wing sites, you have selective liberal outrage syndrome.

      • You don’t know what you’re talking about.

      • You have no reason to be here except for the fact you want to be heard your meaningless litle life is not making you happy someone needs to listen to you. How sad indeed little wayne how sad indeed.

        • Well bully for you.

          • At least you admit to it thats the first step admitting you have a problem good for you old timer now go check your adult diapers make sure you did not make poo poo for the nurse.

    • seems like some folks are taking your bait hook line and sinker.

    • Stop your whining & get back in the closet…if you get really up-set and Xanex is not working try crushing a grape! No bull!

    • You make me sick to my stomach, dingleberry.

    • And why are you here then wayne for the attention? do you crave attention that bad you would come to a site that is against your phony beliefs just so someone will acknowledge you. I see you wayne it is OK junior we hear you would you like a cookie little man , sure you would now go play in the corner and let us adults talk ok, good boy.

      • To stand up against bullies like you. Anyone with common sense knows you are hiding behind your first name and don’t give your last name because you don’t want people to know who you are just like all these alias’s on this site. Just a bunch of yellow bellied bullies that are afraid of their own shadow. They get on here and call people a bunch of names and then hide behind a name you can’t trace to anybody. It’s obvious they are little bitty pip squeaks that have no back bone at all.

        • Yes I am stupid let me put my full name address and phone number up here maybe a map to my house and a list of times I wont be home oh yea a picture too that way someone can steal my identity I am so smart . What are you going to do little man come beat me up ha ha ha only a half wit threatens someone on the internet most likely a coward as well. Go clean your dentures you foolish old man you belong in a nursing home you are too old to be of any use to society any longer so you should be put out to pasture. I think you are turning senile do you understand that you are on a computer you know what a computer does don’t you. Ha ha ha you lame old has been.

          • You listed all the things you are afraid of. I would guess I should be afraid of them also. I don’t worry because I am proud of my comments. I don’t feel I have any thing to worry about. You far right Republicans keep preaching doom and gloom all the time. You must be shaking in your pants. If I gave out the spiel you do I would be to. You can look me up on face book and find out anything you want to know about me. So keep using your alias you big coward.

          • ha ha ha ha you are so stupid it is funny old man. When some crackhead comes and robs your house and beats the crap out of you or someone steals your identity lets see how brave you are then as you are crapping your pants, wait you probably do that every day. Only a total moron gives out personal information on the internet so I guess you are a total moron.
            I have no desire to look up anything about you to me you are meaningless, nothing but a way to entertain myself for a few minutes a day. You are insignificant, just a distraction that’s all the value you have to me. There is nothing you could to to harm anyone what are you going to do hit me with your cane, toss your dirty adult diapers at me, scratch me with your plastic teeth ha ha ha you crack me up.

          • Joe, you should see what you can do to get yourself out of that ghetto you obviously live in. If I had to worry all the time about some crackhead coming into my and beating the crap out of me I would move. Nobody should have to live like that. I hope you find a way to better yourself. I do feel sorry for you.

          • Hey you dried up old man I own a company I employ people and I live in a rural area where we will shoot criminals. You are a decrepit old man living off the govenment that hides in your room watching game shows all day I am so superior to you that it is hard to imagine for someone with your limitied mental abilities. I do not keep my teeth in a jelly jar next to my bed at night I do not need adult diapers and I can remember my own name from day to day. You are a nobody here to cause trouble because you crave attention like a 5 year old child. You can not stand the fact that you are wrong about everything you hate the fact that no one comes to vist you in the nursing home and all you have to look forward to is jello Tuesday every week ha ha ha ha.
            You lame old fart face it you have nothing to offer society any longer you are nothing but a drain on society.

          • Yes you sound like a real humble person.

          • Yep I sure am I am also smarter than you better looking than you nicer than you hell I am every thing better than you.

          • Don’t forget that you are also more humble than me.

          • Oh yea thanks for reminding me Wayne you are a swell guy. Maybe I miss judged you after all

          • You are certainly welcome.

        • I’m Ray Taylor, 68, disabled retired soldier, Vero Beach FL. You’re a yellow bellied liar. If you want, li’l girl, I’ll send you my address and a day/time to come get your mouth fixed, spineless brat.

          • Is that all you got Ray? Look at some these other so called haters on this blog. They have far more nasty names for people that don’t think like them. You don’t even fit in with them. You must be a liberal. Your to nice a guy to be a Republican. Wanna try again?

  2. Here’s The Left in a Nutshell…

    A Country Founded by Geniuses but Run by Idiots!

    If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but

    not for entering and remaining in the country illegally — you might

    live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you have to get your parents’ permission to go on a field trip or

    to take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion — you might

    live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you MUST show your identification to board an airplane, cash a

    check, buy liquor, or check out a library book and rent a video, but not

    to vote for who runs the government — you might live in a nation that

    was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If the government wants to prevent stable, law-abiding citizens from

    owning gun magazines that hold more than ten rounds, but gives twenty

    F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt — you might live in a

    nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If, in the nation’s largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but

    not one 24-ounce soda, because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make

    you fat — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is

    run by idiots.

    If an 80-year-old woman or a three-year-old girl who is confined to a

    wheelchair can be strip-searched by the TSA at the airport, but a woman

    in a burka or a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head

    searched — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but

    is run by idiots.

    If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions

    of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more — you might live in a

    nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If a seven-year-old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his

    teacher is “cute,” but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class

    in grade school is perfectly acceptable — you might live in a nation

    that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more

    government regulation and intrusion, while not working is rewarded with

    Food Stamps, WIC checks, Medicaid benefits, subsidized housing, and free

    cell phones — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses

    but is run by idiots.

    If the government’s plan for getting people back to work is to

    provide incentives for not working, by granting 99 weeks of unemployment

    checks, without any requirement to prove that gainful employment was

    diligently sought, but couldn’t be found — you might live in a nation

    that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest

    big-screen TV, while your neighbor buys iPhones, time shares, a

    wall-sized do-it-all plasma screen TV and new cars, and the government

    forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage — you might live in a

    nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If being stripped of your Constitutional right to defend yourself

    makes you more “safe” according to the government — you might live in a

    nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If the media panders to your openly socialist leader while the IRS targets groups with dissenting views— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If your government ‘cracks down’ on legal gun sales to law abiding citizens while secretly supplying illegal guns to Mexican drug cartels— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    If your local government (Chicago) outlawed gun ownership for ‘the safety of its citizens’ and now boasts the worst murder rate in the country — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    What a country!

    How about we give God a reason to continue blessing America?

    This was borrowed from another blog, author unknown, please spread it far and wide!

  3. the left has a true anti-American socialist agenda… make no mistake about that. American pragmatism is what made this country great… however, just like Oblamer and all the whackos on the idiot left, they swim in a cesspool of lies, deceit and obfuscation… (many RINOs do as well). This is simply another example of the left trying to use a fine America term to cloak themselves in something they are not. Wolves in sheep’s clothing… that is all this is…

  4. Pragmatism…??!!!!!!…………..LMAO!!!!!!….This is just another example how Liberals have a mental disease called Liberalisim…..They are legends in their own minds, self rightous, self absorbed and without a doubt have all these qualities wrapped around self aggrandizement to the point where they start to drink their own bathwater….Bathwater like saying thay are Pragmatic! and other BS……LMAO!!!!!!!….These people are mental, and I mean MENTAL………Like Ron White used to say…There ain’t no fixin stupid…well in this case there ain’t no fixin LIBERALISM

    • Francisco Machado

      The Progressive goal was to achieve totalitarian control of government, the economy, the environment, health, education, etc. They have come very close to achieving this and may yet succeed. To their discredit, they’re having a little trouble with some segments of mass media, but they’re clearly working hard on it. Given that “pragmatism” is doing what works, their success so far argues their case. The Conservatives, on the other hand, are largely ethical – they conform to the laws and to the Constitution. There is a strong conflict between conforming to that ideology and being pragmatic. An old axiom of war says that the attacker sets the rules. Who would win a chess game, the rule conforming player or the player who made up his own rules?

  5. If liberals are indeed pragmatic they are as poor at pragmatism as they are at democracy.

    The only thing they’ve done that resembles pragmatism is isolating a group whose votes can be purchased at bargain rates with taxpayers money and making sure that that group stays isolated on the demoncrats’ plantation.

    • We are a Republic. We are a nation governed by elected officials to carry out the demands of the people. In a democracy, the majority of a like-minded group force their ideology on everyone else. Democrats love democracy because in that effect, the mob rules.

      • If elected officials are just carrying out the will of the people, how does that differ from mob rule?

        • A mob supports and does what is socially unacceptable. A mob voted a Kenyan-born Muslim into POTUS who disregards the US Constitution by ruling in the manner of an Emperor by disregarding Constitutional provisions of checks and balances with three branches of government.

        • It is taken to a vote through proper procedure, (to deem it constitutional)and passed if found to be. Mob rule is more on the side of oppression,( anyone found in the minority will be subjugated to the rule), so those that do not like it, must obey it. It all comes down to a political framework, and a forced ideology.

          • And how does that stop laws from being passed and enforced until that day years in the future when the law is declared unconstitutional. Congress and this president don’t recognize a law as unconstitutional until courts are finished listening to objections to it.

          • Very good point. These days we are left with legislators that are only out to appease the majority, instead of protecting our rights and the constitution. With this kind of policy becoming widely accepted and approved (instead of shunned, as it should be), we are in for a fight to preserve our liberty, privacy and freedom. God help us all.

          • It is not the majority that is winning. It is those who can Lie, confuse, obscure, cheat, control the media, and browbeat enough people who WIN.

          • What are we going to do to change this travesty?

          • The first thing we need to do is have the tea party and the old guard republicans put their differences aside and work together. If we remain at odds, we will fail. If we unite, we can then put our resources to work defeating the ultra liberal forces. We need to unite all those with moderate views both democrats and republicans to fight the battles that are winnable. That is pragmatism. Unfortunately, too many groups think they and only they have all the answers. If that continues, we all lose.

          • The saddest thing I see in “modern” america is, the fact that corporate lobbyists are the primary concern of any new resident to a seat in politics. The american citizens that they represent, come in a distant second. To fix the problem , we need to correct where it begins.

        • Mob rule wins its way by outshouting opposition and using terrorism, deceit and fear to dissuade opposition from voicing an opposing view. Gee that sounds a lot like liberal tactics to me.

          While we are at it why does every group come with a list of demand which are often declared as non negotiable? What ever happened to sharing ideas, presenting a logical argument, working together, and being pragmatic?

    • IllBeYour Huckleberry

      See youtube The American Form of Gov. You might then remove your untrue statement about liberals and democracy. A democracy is mob rule. It is why Liberals push for it. It is temporary and usually replaced by an oligarchy. Like Hitler in Nazi Germany and Stalin in Russia. No one is safe in a democracy nor is anyone free. Which is why America was founded as a Republic and has been distorted by the left to undermine the entire system.

      • Well said Huckleberry. As in the article, the left seems to forget history and in doing so, if left (pun intended) to their devices, we will be forced to repeat it.

  6. Really, when did this happen?

  7. Most of the liberals I know cant even spell “Pragmatic”, much less “know the meaning of the word!!

  8. That is HILARIOUS! I was wondering why liberals are so blind to current events, that helps explain it a little better.

  9. That is not the word I would use in describing the liberal behavior in the last 10 years.

  10. This doesn’t surprise me. We all know that liberalism is a mental illness.

  11. Conservatives are the pragmatists! This guy is confused, no doubt due to his mental illness.

    • Pragmatist are liberals, it is a liberal philosophy. If you are a conservative you do not want to be called a Pragmatist. President Obama is a Pragmatist. That is not the company you want to keep.

      • I beg to differ. While pragmatism may not be a good term to differentiate liberal and conservative, it certainly is more descriptive of conservative than liberal. It means practical. From the Merriam-Webster dictionary : a reasonable and logical way of doing things or of thinking about problems that is based on dealing with specific situations instead of on ideas and theories. Liberals are full of theories about creating what they envision to be a utopian world. We conservatives know that man cannot create utopia because man is a fallen creature and we tend to wish to make the most out of life from that recognition. We recognize that liberals are trying to lead us to what ultimately will be a h_ll on earth, rather than paradise.

        • I posted references that you can look at. It does not mean “practical.” It is used as an adjective to mean “practical” but Pragmatism is a philosophy that was invented by CS Peirce right here in the USA. It is the antithesis of conservationism because it does not accept the idea of absolute truth. It is probably hard for you to get your head around because you might be thinking “those liberals, they have crazy ideas and no common sense like us conservatives and do things like socialism that don’t work so they couldn’t be pragmatic” but that is not what pragmatists mean by “what works.” They mean it in the sense that conservatives don’t like, the relativist sense. They mean if we believe something is true, some principle, belief, idea, truth or whatever and we discover another one that works better the one that works better is true. At least take the time to read this entry in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

  12. Pragmatic? Lunatic is closer

  13. What does a stupid Liberal know about describing “anything” … left alone the meaning of Liberals, duh!!!!
    Liberals are about as Pragmatic .. as Obama is the most brilliant man on earth!
    What “F’en” Idiot this AH is .. period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  14. Liberalism equates to stupidism.

  15. This guy is truly living in LA-LA land and if we are lucky it come back to bite him without bothering anyone but him and those who are as goofy as he.

  16. prag·mat·ic
    dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.
    Democrats, Liberals, and the Left in general=Harping on racism with their political correctness yet continue their race baiting and stating all whites are racist, promoting the THEORY of global warming as a fact, endangering the general public without securing our borders so they can have more votes, confiscating land because of a tortoise and in turns kills them because they don’t have the money to care for them then turns around and takes more land because of a grouse that is almost endangered yet they can be found from Texas to Canada, taxing the middle class out of existence yet pandering to their extreme wealthy friends and Unions that out spend the the Koch brothers political spending by a vast margin,etc., etc., etc.
    I could go on but this already shows that they are neither sensible with their spending, realistic in how science actually works, or practical in how they handle foreign affairs. As Toni pointed out, they are worse at democracy as the meaning of democrat is……someone who believes in or supports democracy or the democratic system of government. they fall more into…….The Leftist……support for political and social change: the advocating of liberal, socialist, or communist political and social change or reform with a little Liberalism that likes to equally distribute other peoples’ money and not their own.

  17. is that a bs word for just saying they think they know better?

  18. Lying endlessly is pragmatic? Concealing all of Obama’s evil conivings is pragmatic? Supporting the NWO and trashing Israel is pragmatic? Why not just admit it. Liberals stab America in the back in a hundred different ways and a hundred times a week. Liberals aren’t pragmatic, they’re corrupt and mindless.

  19. There are many words that I would use to describe liberals and pragmatic is definitely not one of them. Emotional lemmings would be a closer description. If this is how they describe themselves then it is no wonder they have any idea about government, common sense or justice.


      • I am a child of the 50/60’s I am way far to the right, If you will watch, many of the patriot movement people (Tea Party) come from that era as well, but I agree with you that many of the 60’s flower children are the problem today. Many, it seems are still stuck in brain addled mode, except now instead of drugs liberal Kool-Aid is the drug of choice, either one keeps the brain fogged and common sense at bay.

  20. Pragmatic is their fancy name for Unreality.

    • The Liberal lefties take a “good” word, and hold it real tight, ever so gently, while twisting and pulling and pressing, until they totally distort it into another word. Example is gay. Used to mean happy, but now it is a “hate” word.

  21. This is one reason why I call for the BAN of all lieberals from positions of authority. They do not even know who they are!

    I believe the German co-pilot was a lieberal and look at his reasoning for what he did. Sounds very much like a lieberal deluded with his own liberalism.

  22. Altermann’s ascertains prove beyond reasonable doubt the Libtards and liberalism is a mental illness. His stunning ability to lie, obfuscate and even blindly ignore facts stems directly from his ignorant arrogance about liberals knowing all, and seeing nothing except through their distorted filter. Altermann needs to extract his head from his backside.

  23. Liberals also confuse pragmatism with expediency. Republics were not meant to be expedient, especially not the way ours was formed. Expediency eventually leads to tyranny, which is where we are now. The only thing keeping the bayonets from being against us, is we still have enough people, including local law enforcement who believe in the rule of law.

  24. Pragmatism – an approach that assesses the truth of meaning of theories or beliefs in terms of the SUCCESS of their practical application.

    Liberal do things because they “feel good” in their heart, no matter how ineffective or misguided the results. It’s all in their “try” of things, it has nothing to do with the success of such feel good approaches.

    Let us take a recent book written by Jason L. Riley, “Please Stop Helping Us”. In this book a black man, exposes the liberal position of expanding welfare to nurture and ultimately trap a dependent, expectant, and increasingly demanding slice of society who grows to think that this welfare is some sort of birthright. This, while a piled higher and deep welfare state, that sucks the lifeblood of productivity not only out of those who contribute to that misguided system, but also sidelines those who are trapped within its misguided liberal chains.

    All of us on the fiscal and most of the social right of the center know that welfare beyond its bedrock original intent is just plain BULLSHIT by the insanity called liberalism. We all know the meaning of insanity… The above cited liberal calls it their form of “pragmatism. A self delusion instilled in these types before the argument has begun, but only if the right surrenders to such nonsense.

  25. i have heard… i think there is some truth to it that both liberals and conservatives are patriotic (in their own way): but conservatives are patriotic in terms of “i love my country and my country right or wrong” and liberals are patriotic in terms of “i love my country, and because i love it… i know it can be better.”

    i think a lot of that simplistic version has been tossed into the winds with the new consitutionalist movements (e.g., tea party etc.) and so now both sides seem to feel “I love my country and so i will work hard to make it even better than it is now”. the difference is, tho, that both sides feel that to fix the country, we have to go in basically opposite directions.

    interesting cultural evolution… this experiment we call democracy.

  26. Trying to off set all the psychologist saying liberals are crazy folks.

  27. Pragmatic; A word explaining the rational and logical matter of things and their practical application. (Websters)
    Pragmatic; A word being abused by illiterate, inferior human beings to compensate for their lack of social skills, intellectual capacity, and moral development. In their words, pragmatic can be broken into two functions; 1) prag; to whine and complain, to find fault, and ovine-like alligiance to supercilious and depraved leadership, 2) matic; to function without thinking, feeling, or without fact, as in “auto” matic. (New World Unabridged).

  28. in the sense that socialism, marxism and communist ideology has worked in every country that has based its defense of freedom and democracy on moral/ emotional grounds – liberalism as inherent to these philosophies is pragmatic.
    many see their constitutional rights as inherent from god rather than facilitated and protected by the constitution until they were sabotaged by those same principles based on blind trust.
    sympathy, tolerance and compromise inverted means we were compromised based on our tolerance and sympathy or emotion rather than intellect and critical thought.
    the truth is that the things most people think they understand about the principles of freedom are upside down, inside out and backwards to reality and we keep pushing this stuff so that no one can say that the truth was not available to them.
    we understand the idea of morality opposing anything that is not; but its an emotional/ moral, not intellectual conversation where reality rather than the appearance of it is that :
    the 180 degree opposite of more control, is more freedom in our personal choices wether we agree with them emotionally or not.
    pragmatism : the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again the exact same way, for an “unknown” destiny – while the definition of a bold genius is someone who does the exact same thing over and over again, for a “known” destiny.

  29. John Stratemeyer

    For instance, the object is to put Hillary “What difference does it make?” Clinton in the Oval Office. That might not happen if We, the People were to see all of the deleted e-mails. So, Hillary “What difference does it make?” Clinton deletes 30,000 e-mails – deeming them “personal.” The end justifies the means.

  30. I suppose in a way liberals are pragmatic when it comes to making political decisions. The definition of the word is given as follows: adjective, Also, pragmatical (for defs 1, 2, 5).
    1. of or relating to a practical point of view or practical considerations.

    Conservatives don’t see what liberals are doing as a “practical point of view,” or as prescribing “practical considerations” when it comes down to destroying our constitution ad taking away our God-given rights and liberties. The way liberals view the decision making process is being on the winning side and posturing for a position in the New World Order.

    They want to be on the winning side, no matter how much it hurts America. They know what the goals of the Internationalists are and how violent they (the internationalists) will deal with those who believe in the Founder’s Constitution and the attributes of free government as envisioned by our forefathers. In other words, liberals want to be on the top of the manure pile, no matter how corrupt it is going to be, or how much it smells.

    Most of us cannot comprehend how our so-called leaders on Capitol Hill can sell their own birthright for a mess of pottage. But they don’t see it that way. What they see is that the enemy is winning and because sit in the seats of power, they are posturing to be minor dictators at the expense of “The People.”

    I believe they know what they are doing is wrong, but they don’t care. If it means “insuring” their place in the power structure and staying on the winning side, they are happy to throw the common, every day person into the crematories, just to save their own, miserable backsides..

  31. Liberals are just plain jackasses… excuse me, democ-rats

  32. Or perhaps Altermann is simply a typical psychopath as I believe all on the political left are. Not everyone realizes what a psychopath or a sociopath is. They do not comprehend soft emotions such as love, generosity, sympathy, empathy. They seem to fully experience hard emotions such as hate, greed, jealousy. They KNOW when they have done wrong, but do not feel any guilt feelings or any remorse for having done the wrong. Some have said these people have no conscience. In my view ALL of the political left consists of either one or the other: sociopath or psychopath.
    The left isn’t pragmatic. The left KNOWS that it knows best and will FORCE others to go along with them, and they find no problem witih using FORCE, and policy itself is totally irrelevant to them. Getting their way is the only thing that counts.

    I cannot tell you the number of times I have posted this belief on political sites, and I have yet to have ANY leftist start an argument with me about it……I find that truly strange……and damning for them.


    a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.


    a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc.

  33. So now the progressive, an liberal minority, are once again attempting to promote their arrogance as well their idiocy, by claiming they are a pragmatic bunch. ? Well so much for that claim. To be a pragmatist, one must use well thought out well reasoned logic. I have yet to meet or hear one such progressive spoken of, in all of my 56 years of life’s hard knocks , and a well traveled journey. Having become enlightened sufficiently to speak this truth. They truly are an inept, flock of two left footed wingless albatross es.

  34. The Realm Must Fall Boehner,Obama ,McConnell,If Reid is Stepping Down Maybe a medical,Hidden Factual Condition ? Or he is ready to go underground ,and Miss all
    the Chaos Above !

  35. As Time goes by Will America be restored by Our Repentance to God or will we just Go To Hell ?

    We can Never stop Hoping EVER ! For every Military humanitarian Cause from every man and woman who Sacrificed And Where in Christ. I say Never give up, EVIL will Not Prevail if we just Keep Standing Up as Good Men. We out Number the Ungodly Atheist ,Agnostics, Ungodly ,LGBT>Q<. The Pedophilia founded Islamic Muhammad Muslims,Commies,Nazis, The Nazi Hitler Lover,Planned Parenthood founder Margret Sanger,Alfred Kinsey Worshiping Homo Sexual follower Losers from hell..We will Prevail in the End !

  36. If pragmatism means to steal all that you can, then liberals are pragmatic. But poragmatism is knowing what is possible and striving for that. In other words, ‘Pick your battles”.

  37. The simple fact is to be a liberal you must be uneducated and easy to maipulate you must have a weak mind and a weak will so that their masters can control them like puppets. Facts are maningless you need to lie or twist figures in any way you can to get what you want this is the definition of liberal period! oh yea almost forgot if you are not a liberal then you are a racist and that is all Bushs fault.

  38. The fact that leftists refuse to accept the evidence of mob rule’s historic failures is damning proof that liberalism is a form of mental disease based on self-delusion.
    Hitler, Stalin, Marx, Mussolini, Castro & others capitalized on this, and the results speak for themselves. Liberals choose to keep the blinders on 24/7.

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