Illegal Immigration Arrests Up in 2016

No, that headline doesn’t mean that the federal government is getting better at tracking, stopping, and arresting people who surge over the border. Although the new Homeland Security numbers show that border patrol agents arrested some 80,000 more illegal immigrants in fiscal year 2016, it likely indicates a considerable increase in the number of attempts. So for the 409,000 illegals that they nabbed this year…how many got away?

Indeed, the other numbers bear this pattern out. This year, we saw record numbers of immigrant families coming together – a total of 77,674. This was accompanied by another surge in unaccompanied minors – some 60,000 came across the border and were apprehended this year.

“Unaccompanied children and families have presented new challenges in our immigration system,” Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said.

In the fiscal year 2015, it looked as though the Obama administration had gotten the worst of the surge under control. Numbers dropped, the 2014 influx trickled to a stop, and arrests fell to their lowest point in 30 years.

But those changes evidently did not last. This may be partly because Obama, being attacked from both the left and the right, finally had to make his choice and live with it. With his amnesty actions, he infuriated conservatives. With his deportations, he earned scorn from Mexican activists and hard-lefters in the party.

He chose to side with the liberals, and did away with his “Mr. Deportations” moniker. With every subsequent year of his second term, the U.S. has deported fewer and fewer illegal immigrants. Now, as he prepares to hand his legacy off to Hillary Clinton, it’s worth noting that she’s on the record as wanting to double down on this trend. At a debate in the primaries, she all-but-admitted that deportations would be coming to an end under her administration. We’ll be lucky if she even bothers with the criminals.

But for anyone thinking along these lines, Secretary Johnson had a message:

“Walls alone cannot prevent illegal migration.”

No, they probably can’t. But what about a wall and some more border patrol agents? How about an end to incentives that are drawing illegal immigrants to our country in droves? How about some common-sense policies that put Americans first?

How about you and Obama and Hillary stop pretending like you want to stop illegal immigration in the first place?

Ah well, too much to ask, probably.

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  1. Here is a place where Trump has to hammer Hillary. He should point out she wants to bring in 125,000 Syrians. Apart from the security problems they present because it is almost impossible to vet them because all the Syrian databases have been destroyed, it is estimated that it will cost $64,000 FOR EACH ONE which includes processing, transportation to the U.S., settlement and support for two years. It does not include the cost that has to be born by local communities for services. That’s at the very least $8 billion we can’t afford. I’d rather take that money and earmark it to help pay off student loans. Believe me $8 billion is only the beginning. then he should pound her on immigration which she will not stop.

    • Trump really needs to push hard on the burden these Illegal aliens and refugees put on our country and American legal citizens. They need to be sent right back to where they came from the same way they came in. They have mo rights here. America first. Go Trump!

      • I couldn’t agree more, cmee!! We need to quite coddling these parasites and take care of Americans! We were once known as a “melting pot” of immigrants ( legal ones); now it is just one huge pot of sludge and slime. Obama applauds bad behavior and “we the people” need to stop him. He is the poison in our government! Trump 2016! Prison for Obama and Hilary!

      • Hope you Vote: many have asked why Trump?

        This probably explains why most Americans are behind him-the following letter says it best and it’s from an 83 yr old Doctor :

        From the time I was able to vote I voted Republican. I am now 83.

        Recently I received a questionnaire and request for money from the Republican Party and strongly agree with every question, as I have since Obama was elected.

        Unfortunately the one question that was missing is: What have the Republicans done for the American people?

        We gave you a majority in the House and Senate, and you never listened to us. Now you want our money, my money, more money. You should be more concerned about our votes, not our money.

        You are the establishment which means all you want is to save your jobs and line your pockets.

        Well guess what? It’s not going to happen.

        You might think we are fools because you feel Trump is on a self-destruct course, but look beyond Washington and listen to the masses. Nobody has achieved what he has, especially in the state of New York

        Here’s why I want Trump. Yes, he’s a bit of an ass; yes, he’s an egomaniac; but I don’t care.

        The country is a mess because politicians suck.

        The Republican Party is two-faced and gutless, and illegals are everywhere.

        I want it all fixed!

        I don’t care that Trump is crude.

        I don’t care that he insults people.

        I don’t care that he has changed positions.

        I don’t care that he’s been married 3 times.

        I don’t care that he fights with Megan Kelly and Rosie O’Donnell.

        I don’t care that he doesn’t know the name of some Muslim terrorist.

        Our country has become weak, bankrupt. Our enemies are making fun of us. We are being invaded by illegals. We are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo and Hassid is a special group with special rights to a point, where we don’t even recognize the country we were born and raised in, “AND I JUST WANT IT FIXED.” And Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want.

        I’m sick of politicians, sick of the Democrat Party, the Republican Party, and sick of illegals. I just want this thing fixed. Trump may not be a saint, but he doesn’t have lobbyist money controlling him; he doesn’t have political correctness restraining him; all you know is that he has been very successful; a good negotiator; he has built a lot of things; and, he’s also not a politician. And, he says he’ll fix it. And, I believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong or looked at and called a liar.

        I don’t care if the guy has bad hair.

        You are welcome to pass this on, or not.

        Thought for the Day “No country can sustain, in idleness, more than a small percentage of its numbers. The great majority must labor at something productive!”

        Don R. “Dick” Ivey, PhD

        P.S. No Borders, No Language, No Culture = No Country.

        Go Trump!

        • Don R . let me add : the price WE Taxpayers pay on Benefits to illegals is $ 200 Billion a year . The price to build the Wall is $ 15 to 20 Billion . This is how Mexico will pay for this wall ; simple and easy to understand . Trump will Enforce E-Verify and illegals will self deport . Trump that B**** .

          • This year we could take in about 20000 refugees, costing in benefits about $42 million and most is spent by the refugees to live on

          • And our returning Veterans can’t find jobs or get help from our Government.

          • That is your problem

          • I’m sick of politicians, sick of the Democrat Party, the Republican Party, and sick of illegals. I just want this thing fixed. Trump may not be a saint, but he doesn’t have lobbyist money controlling him; he doesn’t have political correctness restraining him; all you know is that he has been very successful; a good negotiator; he has built a lot of things; and, he’s also not a politician. And, he says he’ll fix it. And, I believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong or looked at and called a liar.

            Go Trump!

          • Dont Believe lies from your fellow Yanks

            This study
            reveals that U.S. military forces were directly responsible for about
            10 to 15 million deaths during the Korean and Vietnam Wars and the
            two Iraq Wars. The Korean War also includes Chinese deaths while the
            Vietnam War also includes fatalities in Cambodia and Laos.

            The American
            public probably is not aware of these numbers and knows even less
            about the proxy wars for which the United States is also responsible.
            In the latter wars there were between nine and 14 million deaths in
            Afghanistan, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, East Timor,
            Guatemala, Indonesia, Pakistan and Sudan.

            But the victims
            are not just from big nations or one part of the world. The remaining
            deaths were in smaller ones which constitute over half the total
            number of nations. Virtually all parts of the world have been the
            target of U.S. intervention.

            The overall
            conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been
            responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million
            people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.

            To the families
            and friends of these victims it makes little difference whether the
            causes were U.S. military action, proxy military forces, the
            provision of U.S. military supplies or advisors, or other ways, such
            as economic pressures applied by our nation. They had to make
            decisions about other things such as finding lost loved ones, whether
            to become refugees, and how to survive.

            And the pain
            and anger is spread even further. Some authorities estimate that
            there are as many as 10 wounded for each person who dies in wars.
            Their visible, continued suffering is a continuing reminder to their
            fellow countrymen.

            http://www.countercurrents.org

          • You will never convince me of that-all propaganda. No nation in the world has done more to help other nations in need/Humanitarian efforts/helping people to live free from dictatorship/communism – why because we care about others besides ourselves. Standing up to those committing genoside, ethnic cleansing, outright murdering citizens/ women and children etc or trying to take over our allies and ignoring human rights issues around the world has been our calling. No one else has done more. I’m proud of our efforts/accomplishments. Our country has been the stabilizing force around the world. Without of men fighting many other countries battles they would have been over run by bigger countries. we could have taken over other countries through winning numerous battles- yet we have not done that as other power hungry countries have done. The greatest country ever is the US
            And the reason so many try to immigrate here every year. Without the US -two or three countries would take over all countries and kill /loot /pillage all wealth and exploit its people as force slavery everywhere.
            Be thankful for the US – without us the world would fall to mass corruption. Your wasting your time with your hate talk- I know better!

          • You can Believe what you want, it is still a freeish World, but facts are facts………..and the USA does give a lot of Money to “”help””……………..I Think its about $93 a year per capita…………….about $30bn………my country gives about $7bn…..per capita about $715…………so all I can is put your Money where your mouth is…………the USA may be big…….but there are many countries that are much much better at helping people…. NOT MURDERING them

            https://goodcountry.org/index/overall-rankings

          • What is your Country? America is a capitalist society and most other countries are socialist which means the people own nothing ( the Govt makes the donations) so giving to charities in the US is done individually. Out of 137 countries we are 13th but that is being disputed. The correct dollar amount for private charitable giving in the US is $240B, or over $3,000/household. Note who if fighting ISIS and paying for this battle – probably not you or your country. These people deserve killing as well as OBL. Yet again that’s always left to us to deal with both financially and manpower. You have no clue what we are all about. There are evil people in this world and the good people must stand up against them or else we will all perish and our world will become corrupt/ lawless with mass ethnic killings etc. who sacrifices more than we do with lives lost and money to pay for these wars etc.
            How dare you paint a picture of the U S murdering others for the sake of killing- Wrong Wrong Wrong. I fought in one war and my father also fought in a war– you are so full of BUll Shit your eyes are turning brown. You need to tend to your own countries business – you don’t know Shit about our country! Piss off faggot!

          • WOWWIE, you have chips on both shoulders, and still Believe that the USA is the best country ever ever ever…………you cant even accept facts either, you live in your Little Cave sucking dicks………eating frogs and shitting turds………even you are a shitful turd…………….America is a capitalistic country………….perhaps a 100 more are also capitalistic, 40 African countries that have been raped and exploited by the USA in recent decades after mostly France and Great Britain were thrown out………the USA has thrown $500 bn at these countries, and the people are just as poor as they were in 1960 when the USA took over the rape and plundering of the countries…….where people today earn $1 a day working for companies that are owned by the US or told how to do things by the USA……….all for the natural rescources of these countries…………and they ARE rich, and the USA wants it all……….ITS OURS………….like the wars in Iraq, the US didnt get one drop of oil, and the bill was……something like $5 trillion, thousands of US dead, and millions of civilians dead or severly injured……….and it goes on and on and on……..the USA bullying its way around the World, with military in 182 countries, and the USA has started 52 wars or conflicts since 1945………Death toll…..about 72 million from US bullets or Shells………your turn now,but keep it short I have the ironing to do

          • Your a lost cause- typical liberal bott -no substance-all talk no show.
            You can take that iron and shove it up your ass–caboose Bandit!
            You must be ashamed of your country- can’t reveal where your from.
            I can see it sucks being you! Everyone hates you! Move on Troll.

          • Iam not ashamed of my country, on the contrary, is all surveys done across the World, by all organisations even American, my country is ALWAYS in the top 5 everytime……..the USA is never ever in single figures,in fact the worst I have seen the USA was at about 48 th position……..where do I live……..this could give you a clue…….a social democratic country, 97% of industries owned by people……which is like the USA, very capitalistic, a country that does not have a minimumwage system like the USA,where unions are very strong,over 80% of workers are union members, high wages for all workers, even the low paid fast food employees earn about $22 an hour, 40 hrs a week, about 35 Days vacation each year, with full pay, maternity leave 460 Days a year with full pay, and only one tax………

            Salary……$12000……..Tax
            $1560…….13%

            Salary……$36000……..Tax
            $4600…….23%

            Salary……$60000……..Tax
            $7800…….28%
            and yearly GDP growth of about 3.5%

            https://goodcountry.org/index/overall-rankings

          • One further comment…….just to annoy you some more…….do youmake up such crap or has your one brain cell stopped working……………..””America is a capitalist society and most other countries are socialist which means the people own nothing ( the Govt makes the donations) so giving to charities in the US is done individually.””…….there are perhaps less than 10 countries in the World that are socialistic or have socialistic leanings, Venezuela, the odd SE Asia country,N Korea….and thats about it

          • anibanib; You are one low-life stupid son of a bitch. Take that goddamn crap you keep spewing, roll it up real tight, shove it up your quasi-human ass, turn it crossways and JERK IT!

          • Whats your problem Donny, cant you handle the true facts and figures……………and the USA does give a lot of Money to “”help””……………..I Think its about $93 a year per capita…………….about $30bn………my country gives about $7bn…..per capita about $715…………so all I can is put your Money where your mouth is…………the USA may be big…….but there are many countries that are much much better at helping people…. NOT MURDERING them……..and again…………

            and the USA does give a lot of Money to “”help””……………..I Think its about $93 a year per capita…………….about $30bn………my country gives about $7bn…..per capita about $715…………so all I can is put your Money where your mouth is…………the USA may be big…….but there are many countries that are much much better at helping people…. NOT MURDERING them
            ………….AND I havent even started to insult you yet, but I might

          • You ain’t capable of insulting me. You’re a lot like one of them big ol’ shit house flies that tries to light on a person’s face. Just a filthy annoyance.

          • You cant handle the truth,you as an American just hate it when Another country does more than the USA does………you are a yellow bellied wussie

          • Donald Mitchell

            You ain’t capable of insulting me. C’mon sweetpea,try harder.

          • I have trodden in nastier turds than you………..hows that then

          • Donald Mitchell

            A) I doubt it. B) It’s pathetic. C)It pleases me that the U.S. is NOT the biggest spender per capita in this boondoggle.

          • I did what you said……………..you knew it would hurt, cos you have done it Before……..now go to the back of the classroom and put on that pointed hat……..and stop playing with your dick,it wont get any bigger

          • All good points- agree,

          • Thank you my friend .

        • Well Said !!!!

      • The three magic words – AMERICAN PEOPLE FIRST.

      • Right! Send them all back where they came from! On their way out, have
        each one put a DEMOCRAP under each arm! Have obama and Hillary lead
        them all out of America! We don’t want any of them here!

      • I live close to borders and the government and media doesn’t tell the truth. Our borders arexa mess, Colexco was taken over by drug gangs. Crime is up sense 2008. Obama does nothing to stop the flow of Illegals and they are from the Middle Eastern countries, South America, Cuba and Mexico. Why is Mexico allowing these illegals to come through Mexico to our borders. Obama visited Castro and a couple other South American countries. WHAT did he promise them. THE so called kids from South America countries are between 14-18. These kids are gang members, housed on our bases. How many of these KIDS get to our borders? Encouraging this puts our government in child human trafficking. Drug cartel loves THIS, they have choice of kids to sell into sex slave to highest bidder. We have home invasions, murders, stolen guns, criminal illegal drug gangs. They take over towns. Trash, strip and burn homes. Shooting, domestic violence, rape, drugs. We need to STOP this abuse of power through our Federal government doing NOTHING. I have to keep alarm on all the time, don’t go out at night. ,84 year old woman home invasions and she was beat, tied to chair, no food or water. The attacker had been deported 10 times. Illegal criminals. He cleaned out her account and left her for dead. Neighbors found her 10 days later. Our Police are targeted and Obama does NOTHING but invite BLM to WH.
        TRUMP for President.

    • Good points! The Koran instructs Muslims to kill all non Muslims. One God created all mankind and I’m sure he didn’t tell one group to kill all others ( his creations- no way) The Koran is a corrosive document and will never promote Coexistence of other races within the same country. That’s why the Muslims have been isolated for over 1400 years. No one trusts them and for good reason ( like setting on a time bomb-want one for your neighbor??- no way). Their Koran should be banned from all civilized societies, their Mosques torn down and all Muslims must be sent back to all Muslim societies. They breeds terrorists and they have sworn an oath to divide and conquer ( biggest haters on the planet-well over 50% follow the Koran to the letter- do the math ). The POS in the White House is responsible and against the wishes of over 80% of Americans he opened the flood gates by design to millions to immigrate within the U.S. – putting Americans in harms way. He should be put in prison for his actions along with the corrupt Clintons (6 th biggest crime family in NY) Imagine America looking like Beirute in another 15 yrs. This is not an option it’s a must do for all our survival. What a legacy the stupid and corrupt will leave for our kids/grandkids if this is not addressed. All being funded by the Billionare George Sorros ( Socialist and known destroyer of countries). wake up America the Democratic Party has 
Lost it way ( no mans land-communism/socialism/Muslim immigration/wall street corruption etc etc) and are the Satin within the US. No wonder so many are bailing out.
      Another good reason we need Trump – he gets it and understands the problems – America needs Trump to Survive.
Go Trump!

      • And the bible instructs christians……….as many as possible……….the USA has murdered 10s of millions since WW2

        • Tens of miliions, really, can you itemize by nation. Oh, and exclude soldiers.

          • http://www.countercurrents.org
            and more details above. You Americans, sit around your camp fires………….you dont know what war is all about……..some do who had to fight them in foreign countries, but a Death or an injuredperson is someone regardless………..

        • aibanib,
          Your comment is a bit strange. The Bible does not advocate murder, either in the Old Testament or the New Testament. In fact the Ten Commandments specifically says you shall not murder.so says Exodus 20:13. Older versions of the Bible say kill but in Hebrew, the word is murder. Murder and killing are not the same thing. Murder is to kill with malice and pre- planning. Killing is not necessarily with malice but in self defense.
          We have fought wars that are a threat to us, generally. However leadership has not always been honest in their drive to confront a supposed “enemy”. But the troops who fought did so believing they were defending the country. That is not murder.
          Having said that, I just posted a couple of passages from the Quran that tell a different story of the Islamic world of fighting each other and with other nations. If you do not believe their version of the Quran, you are an infidel worthy of death.
          Genesis 2: 11-12, Moses killed an Egyptian who was abusing a fellow Hebrew. He was never punished for that kind of killing in defense of his own people.

          • OK,then how can a bible bashing nation such as the USA be responible for so many murders across the World…..see my reply and figures above….

          • Your so misguided- wake up

            There is no verse in the New Testament which instructs Christians to harm non-Christians. In fact, in Matthew 5:43, Christ instructs Christians to love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them.
            On the other hand, there is no verse in the Koran which instructs Muslims to love non-Muslims. There are, however, verses in the Koran which instruct Muslims to slay, burn-in-fire and decapitate non-Muslims (Surahs 4:56, 4:89, 9:5 and 47:4). Furthermore, a Pew Research Center Poll of American Muslims in May, 2007 reported that 50% of “American” Muslims believe that the Koran should be taken literally word for word.
            With 6 million in the US do the math— common sense 101—–they must go!

        • What have you been smoking? 10’s of Millions?

          • More like…..what have YOU been smoking, you ignorant Yankie jerk

            This study
            reveals that U.S. military forces were directly responsible for about
            10 to 15 million deaths during the Korean and Vietnam Wars and the
            two Iraq Wars. The Korean War also includes Chinese deaths while the
            Vietnam War also includes fatalities in Cambodia and Laos.

            The American
            public probably is not aware of these numbers and knows even less
            about the proxy wars for which the United States is also responsible.
            In the latter wars there were between nine and 14 million deaths in
            Afghanistan, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, East Timor,
            Guatemala, Indonesia, Pakistan and Sudan.

            But the victims
            are not just from big nations or one part of the world. The remaining
            deaths were in smaller ones which constitute over half the total
            number of nations. Virtually all parts of the world have been the
            target of U.S. intervention.

            The overall
            conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been
            responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million
            people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.

            To the families
            and friends of these victims it makes little difference whether the
            causes were U.S. military action, proxy military forces, the
            provision of U.S. military supplies or advisors, or other ways, such
            as economic pressures applied by our nation. They had to make
            decisions about other things such as finding lost loved ones, whether
            to become refugees, and how to survive.

            And the pain
            and anger is spread even further. Some authorities estimate that
            there are as many as 10 wounded for each person who dies in wars.
            Their visible, continued suffering is a continuing reminder to their
            fellow countrymen.

            http://www.countercurrents.org/lucas240407.htm

          • You are full of Sh*t. Go crawl back up hitlary’s back side

          • When you crawl out, I hate laying beside pigs

          • I would not insult pigs by having you lay with them. Since you hate America so much why don’t you pack your back side up and go live in Cuba or Iran. You would fit in perfectly. You are a very poor excuse for a human.

          • Dont get me wrong,I dont hate America, its a wonderful country,so I have been told……..its the people like you that spoil it, you and your like have so much hate……….and anybody who “”dares”” to criticise the country, one just has to be a COMMIE or a MUSLIM………hence your suggestion to live in Cuba or Iran………..well Cuba cant be all that bad as the USA allows 100s of thousands to immigrate into the USA. yet Iran is still on the USAs hate list……..I mean you sold some extremely nasty WMDs to Iran, stuff that was already on the forbidden list,you that doesnt stop the USA if she wants to sell them and you DID sell them to Iraq in the 70s and 80s, Iraq used them on Iranian military and Saddam used them on his own people………..nice friends that Rumsfeld had………actually I have been to Iran, and its a fine modern country, religious of course, just like the USA is,but they are modern , have fine shopping centres and the people are very friendly towards my nation, dont know about the USA https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/013059ceaefe58151c695c7519473ea6e4685e07ec06a10a387ead854649619b.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8b2a0f5abc72a14c526574026050965111c6347916d37e508d4d2e95d375a4c7.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b05560599288880d000c29bffa8bcba39f4225fe0d456d1edb1dd6b6ae5b1e3f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6448234f233cbbf09b4f18db81d80973533042bf0bbb2a3b86411cd132916794.jpg

          • Look asshole.

            First if you weren’t there then shut the fuck up.

            Second, That is what happens in a war, asshole. You kill tem before they kill you.

            There is a rock in DC with the names of 54,000 of my brothers on it. Check the American graveyard in Normandy too. They never made it back here even in death. Same goes for the guys that bought the farm in Korea. Scum bags like you need to be run out of this country.

            Did you see the guys that got caught that were going to blow up a bunch of YOUR brothers? All hell is about to break loose and by your own admission, we are very good at getting rid of our enemies and you are obviously one of them.

            Be afraid, moslem, Be VERY afraid. – When you screw with us the dogs of war eventually get turned loose on our enemies.

          • Now now Molkie, calm down………first I wasnt old enough for WW2, butI do have lots of experience of just what war is all about…..most Yanks at home still dont know, usless they Watch a made up Hollywood Movies, I have lived thru enough bombing and destruction and killing than you will ever experience, 63000 killed in London alone autumn 1940, whilst the USA was still funding and helping the Nazis……..to kill other Europeans and destruction of cities……Its OK you can stop snivelling ………….and being a typical yankie moron, you automatically Think that everybody who comments on a WWW website, lives in the USA……..the USA is but 6.5% of the Worlds area……and you are assuming yet again…..””Did you see the guys that got caught that were going to blow up a bunch of YOUR brothers? All hell is about to break loose and by your own admission, we are very good at getting rid of our enemies and you are obviously one of them.””…….nope I belong to the other poor sods across the pond………..youknow those that stood up against Hitler and those who chased the Nazis out of N Africa…..with a Little help from you guys…………and yet Another assumption………..””Be afraid, moslem, Be VERY afraid. – When you screw with us the dogs of war eventually get turned loose on our enemies.””………like anybody who talks against the USA, just hasto be a Muslim……..you frigging wussie Yanks are so pathetic

        • Wrong Bozo – you forgot to engage your brain before opening your Yap
          Do yourself a favor and watch The utube link below.
          Bridget Gabrielson is the expert on Muslim matters —-your not!

          There is no verse in the New Testament which instructs Christians to harm non-Christians. In fact, in Matthew 5:43, Christ instructs Christians to love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them.
          On the other hand, there is no verse in the Koran which instructs Muslims to love non-Muslims. There are, however, verses in the Koran which instruct Muslims to slay, burn-in-fire and decapitate non-Muslims (Surahs 4:56, 4:89, 9:5 and 47:4). Furthermore, a Pew Research Center Poll of American Muslims in May, 2007 reported that 50% of “American” Muslims believe that the Koran should be taken literally word for word.

          Your obviously not an American— so ignorant and damaging with your BS philosophies- move on Troll!

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

          • More BIBLE claptrap…………here is the real truth

            Dont Believe lies from your fellow Yanks

            This study
            reveals that U.S. military forces were directly responsible for about
            10 to 15 million deaths during the Korean and Vietnam Wars and the
            two Iraq Wars. The Korean War also includes Chinese deaths while the
            Vietnam War also includes fatalities in Cambodia and Laos.

            The American
            public probably is not aware of these numbers and knows even less
            about the proxy wars for which the United States is also responsible.
            In the latter wars there were between nine and 14 million deaths in
            Afghanistan, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, East Timor,
            Guatemala, Indonesia, Pakistan and Sudan.

            But the victims
            are not just from big nations or one part of the world. The remaining
            deaths were in smaller ones which constitute over half the total
            number of nations. Virtually all parts of the world have been the
            target of U.S. intervention.

            The overall
            conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been
            responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million
            people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.

            To the families
            and friends of these victims it makes little difference whether the
            causes were U.S. military action, proxy military forces, the
            provision of U.S. military supplies or advisors, or other ways, such
            as economic pressures applied by our nation. They had to make
            decisions about other things such as finding lost loved ones, whether
            to become refugees, and how to survive.

            And the pain
            and anger is spread even further. Some authorities estimate that
            there are as many as 10 wounded for each person who dies in wars.
            Their visible, continued suffering is a continuing reminder to their
            fellow countrymen.

            http://www.countercurrents.org

      • bigKAhuna,
        Quran 8:56-57
        As for those whom you made a treaty and who abrogate it every time, and do not fear God( allah), if you meet them in battle, inflict on them such a defeat as would be a lesson for those who come after them, and that they may be warned.
        Quran 8:59- 60
        Then infidels should not think that hey can bypass (the Laws of God).
        Surely they cannot get away. Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster, that you may strike terror in the hearts of) the enemies of God and your own, and others knot known to you, but known to God (allah).

        This from their own book. Nice folks, wouldn’t you say?

        • First of all Allah is not God.
          The Koran (Trash) promotes killing of all non Muslims ( so God created all mankind and instructs one group ( Muslims) to kill everyone else- no way — Duh! ) There is a good reason Muslims have been isolated for 1400 yrs – they are corrosive with their beliefs and will never fit into civilized societies without pushing their ways ( Sharia law) . No one wants to live next to these people
          — it’s called common sense.
          If not you will help them to spread like rats and destroy us all from within (Beirut all over again). You can thank that POS in the White House for allowing this to happen in America against our wishes ( Prison sentence).
          They must be sent back to all Muslim society, their mosques torn down, and the Koran must be banned from all civilized societies

          • big KAhuna,
            I did what you did not do. Instead of generalizations, I quoted from the Quran what they believe. As for the reference to God, I was quoting precisely what the Quran said. In parentheses I added allah, (no caps) which is their “god” I cannot think of anything I would thank Obama for except to disappear in January 2017.

          • You left out this important aspect:

            there is no verse in the Koran which instructs Muslims to love non-Muslims. There are, however, verses in the Koran which instruct Muslims to slay, burn-in-fire and decapitate non-Muslims (Surahs 4:56, 4:89, 9:5 and 47:4). Furthermore, a Pew Research Center Poll of American Muslims in May, 2007 reported that 50% of “American” Muslims believe that the Koran should be taken literally word for word. Do the math with 6 million within our borders. They must go!

        • Jerry
          Do yourself a favor and watch The utube link below.
          Bridget Gabrielson is the expert on Muslim matters.

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

          • big KAhuna,
            I watched the clip and totally agree. I took a class in college in 1962 which was taught by a Muslim professor. The Quran was required reading and was discussed. That was before the current Muslim situation arose. I continued to read the Quran in order to fully understand it. But so many had their hands on the wording over a long period of time (622 – 800 AD) that the Quran lacks the continuity that the Bible has. Therefore it skips around and is not fluent and connected from chapter to chapter. I picked but two of the passages that indicates radical Islam uses certain passages to enhance the radical ideals found in the Quran. I also know as a historian he difference between the Shiites and the Sunnis. They have been fighting each other and killing each other because of their demand for control of Islam. But they will go to war against anyone from the outside who interferes. Furthermore, in most mosques, the Quran is read to them. Also, many and especially women, are literate. Therefore not all that many can even read the Quran, let alone understand it. I have Muslim friends that I have had for many years and I did some projects in Pakistan, Iran and Libya. I worked with variety of Muslims with different concepts with Islam. I am aware of the infighting that has taken place since 800 AD.

            There are millions of peaceful Muslims but they know only what peaceful people have taught them. On the other side, radicals have abused the Quran by using evil parts of the Quran. They are the ones who promote violence and enforced sharia law. But make no mistake, even moderate ones will resort to sharia law when given an opportunity to speak out. Much of sharia law comes from the Old Testament laws but modified to their own conceptions promoted by radicals..

          • Jerry

            It’s virtually impossible to fix the many discrepancies within their beliefs/Koran/and their preachings. I have a friend who was station in the Middle East for 20 yrs- he says they will never accept our constitution, ways of life, and they will push Sharia law, and wear clothing that hinders security. Again they must go! We get it – yet so many others don’t have a clue of the dangers ( they swore to divide/multiply like rats/ and conquer from within- their mission is to promote Armageddon). If they where in charge we all would be on our knees – mass executions beyond Hitler proportions.

          • big KAhuna,
            I do agree wkth what you are saying. My sister told me yesterday that she caught a Muslim woman in her garb take something from a store shelf and place it under her garb. Fortunately men do not wear such garb here. But they could.

          • Jerry
            It will only get worse- no wonder our police hate Hillery and Obama- they make it harder to catch the bad people ( Allowing corruption and crime to thrive). It’s maddening to see so many in our society supporting her. Trump is head and shoulders abover her. She’s a crook, devout liar, has no vision, hated by our military. She shouldn’t even be running – thanks to Comey ( FBI corrupt investigator who failed to do his job). She is without a doubt the most corrupt candidate to ever run.

            No one said it better:

            “The Quote of the Century”
            From the former Premiere of the Czech Republic ( Vaclav klaus)

            “The Danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable
            of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be far easier
            To limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than it will be to restore the necessary common sense and good judgement to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr Obama,
            Who is a mere symptom to what ails America. Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy that made him their prince. The Republic can survive ia Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”

            We must hep Trump get elected— To much at stake!

          • big KAhuna,

            I am doing everything I can to support Trump. He is no choir boy but I wold vote for Jessie and Frank before I would vote for HilLIARy.

          • Like a guy prayed while trying to take Monte Casino in WWII…

            “God help us,,,and come yourself, don’t send Jesus. This is no place for children”

            And cleaning out the RINO/Democrat Elite Establishment is no job for a choir boy.

          • Mathew,
            In Matt. 21:18, Jesus cleaned the temple of events that were absolutely repulsive to Him. It takes someone to exert authority. I believe Trump has that capability.

          • Are you going to judge and condemn 1.5 BILLION Muslims worldwide by this one act???

          • Kol,
            Certainly not. It is an example of that someone can do with Muslim garb. Americans have their own methods. So do Muslims. But I have not found them to be thieves. That is because their punishments are not unlike the Chinese.

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          • My personal experience while frequently living among and associating with Muslim extended family members & friends is that the by and large vast majority of young adult Muslims do not even wear “Muslim garb,” as you call it. They dress like anybody else.

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          • Kol,
            My Muslim friends here never wear Muslim garb. Newer arrival women still do but men do not. Kids do not wear Muslim garb, either. This time of year we have a big Coats for Kids drive. Some Muslims take advantage of that coat drive to provide sufficient warmth for their kids in cold weather. Surprisingly enough, Kenyans, who are not Muslims, stick to old native garbs for women but not for men who dress in American clothes. The women do not even wear American coats in cold weather. I suspect they swear American long underwear underneath the silk garb, tho.

          • I think one of the most humorous things I recall about Muslim people is the numerous times I’ve sat in Azerbaijani or Uzbekh cafes which are very popular in quite a few cities in Russia chuckling about the “Muslims don’t eat pork/Muslims don’t drink alcohol” nonsense we frequently hear while noticing that all around us at other tables there are dozens of Muslims sitting at their own tables eating pork shashlik or roast pork or pork chops and enjoying really good Russian beers or vodka. In fact, one of our favorite eating places in my Russian family city is an Uzbekh family-owned little restaurant with a nice outdoor cafe that we enjoy in the summer which is known for the best pork shashlik (sish kebab) in town, and they serve the best Russian beers and a favorite vodka! When traveling in Russia with the two young fellows in my family whom I’m closest to, I’ve yet to see a Muslim eatery that does NOT serve pork and the best brands of good booze!

          • The only acceptable solution is that these people who threaten our lifestyle/liberties/constitution/our children and Grandchildren must go!

          • big KAhuna,
            As long as they are a threat to our own kind of government and our Constitution they pose a threat to our way of life. We agree on that, I believe.

          • Is that not the definition of an “enemy” ?

            The Judaeo Christian way it to love our enemies but in the case of the moslems (Not a mispelling BTW) it’s like loving a malignant aggressive cancer. It must be cut out and disposed of.

          • Mathew,
            That is easier said than done. The Quran is the problem, not the people. If you understand the way Muslim worship goes, it helps. According to the Quran itself, the Quran is read at services. Most do not have a Quran to read elsewhere and even at that many ,especially women, are illiterate. Therefore it depends on the Imam who may be peaceful or a terrorist.

          • “But so many had their hands on the wording over a long period of time (622 – 800 AD) that the Quran lacks the continuity that the Bible has.”

            REALITY is that the EXACT SAME THING is said about the Bible!!

          • Kol,
            After purchasing commentaries on the Bible for my own study desire, I discovered the Bible is its own best commentary. I got rid of the commentaries. I had a course in both Hebrew and Greek. I have a Hebrew Old Testament and a Greek New Testament which I now use. I do not buy the baloney about the Bible lacking continuity.

            Certainly people do get off track in the Bible. That is to be expected. People often read what they want to find and take passages out of context. For example, the Sixth Commandment says in some old English Bibles, Thou shalt not kill. In Hebrew it says thou shall not murder. There is a big difference between the two words in meaning. But Jesus clarified the meaning in the New Testament. The difference is in premeditation.

            I do buy a lack of continuity concerning the Quran. Mohammad created the Quran but he died in 621 AD and the Quran was not published until 800 AD. A whole list of Caliphs wrote additions to the Quran. Usually after doing so for awhile the Caliph was killed and someone else took over. As a result the Quran lacks consistency. It would be a much better book if the bad stuff was eliminated. But it is there and radicals make the best of it. The book is easy to take out of context. I sometimes get accused of doing that when quoting from it because there is no follow up on the intent of what is said. All I can offer is what the book says. I am lucky to be able to provide more than maybe two verses on one thing and then it jumps to another.

      • Beeotchstewie the deplorable

        Say it with me SHARIACRATS! Sold us out to Muslim takeover.

      • I know a few Hindus, A Shinto, a Buddhist and even a couple of atheists and none of them want to kill me (I’m a Catholic) yet I absolutely know that the devout moslems they are bringing in in hordes have an ingraned belief that I must either convert and submit to their filthy sharia law or be killed. — I do have a much better idea though about who should be killed ,,,,,,,,,,,,

        • Here is the expert on Muslims

          Brigitte Gabriel gives FANTASTIC answer to Muslim woman… — m.youtube.com
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s&ebc=ANyPxKrw34IHxM_Q-jRzdKhd2sUKtS_swLzJ1XjqjVe0L4kq-UCWTwK2bZ8nv34-EGdskolV7UpPpk7sOhTxKabEg3xg-e5ZCA

        • Matt
          Another article on Muslims:

          Article on Muslims

          The code of conduct and defining document for Islam is the Koran and the code of conduct and defining document for Christianity is the New Testament.
          There is no verse in the New Testament which instructs Christians to harm non-Christians. In fact, in Matthew 5:43, Christ instructs Christians to love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them.
          On the other hand, there is no verse in the Koran which instructs Muslims to love non-Muslims. There are, however, verses in the Koran which instruct Muslims to slay, burn-in-fire and decapitate non-Muslims (Surahs 4:56, 4:89, 9:5 and 47:4). Furthermore, a Pew Research Center Poll of American Muslims in May, 2007 reported that 50% of “American” Muslims believe that the Koran should be taken literally word for word. The members of ISIS believe that everything they do is mandated in the Koran and supported with after-life rewards.
          In terms of survival, the important question for free democratic republics with Bills of Human Rights is whether any organization, whose code of conduct prescribes harm to non-members, should be classified as a religion or a terrorist organization. The answer should be based on logic, not established tradition which may be right or wrong!
          ———–
          Muslim-American Citizen Polling
          Know What Your Next-Door Muslim Neighbors Are Thinking
          2Aug16
          Preface: In terms of sources for statistics presented here, CSP stands for Center for Security Policy in June 2015 and PEW stands for Pew Research Center in 2007

          The statistics presented below represent the views of Muslim-American citizens:
          1) 86% believe the Koran is the word of God (PEW)
          2) 50% believe Koran should be taken literally word for word. (PEW)
          3) 47% think of themselves as a Muslim first and an American second. (PEW)
          4) 43% feel that mosques should express themselves on social matters. (PEW)
          5) 41% under 30 years of age admit feeling that suicide bombings of civilian targets can sometimes be justified. (PEW)
          6) 33% admit shariah law should be considered supreme to the U.S. Constitution. 25% don’t know or gave no answer. (CSP)
          7) 51% of Muslim-Americans strongly or somewhat agree that they should have choice to be governed by shariah. (CSP)
          8) 25% strongly or somewhat agree that violence against Americans can be justified as part of global Jihad. (CSP)
          9) 41% believe that Jihad is an obligation of their practice of Islam. 19% don’t know or gave no answer. (CSP)
          10) 54% believe that there are violent jihadists in the United States. 31% don’t know or gave no answer. (CSP)
          11) 19% believe the use of violence in the U.S. is justified in order to make shariah the law of the land. 15% don’t know or gave no answer. (CSP)
          12) 24% believe it is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohamed. (CSP)
          13) 48% consider themselves to be a Democrat at some level from strong to 9% that are independent leaning. (CSP)
          14) 19% consider themselves to be a Republican at some level from strong to 6% that are independent leaning. (CSP)

          Note: The defining document and code of conduct for Christians is the New Testament and the defining document and code of conduct for Muslims is the Koran. There are no verses in the New Testament which instruct Christians to harm non-Christians, but there are verses which instruct them to love their enemies. There are no verses in the Koran which instruct Muslims to love non-Muslims, but there are verses which instruct them to harm non-Muslims (e.g. burn-to death [4:56], slay [9:5], decapitate [47:4],–this is just a partial list).
          Question: Should any organization whose code of conduct and defining document Instructs it members to harm to non-members be classified as a religion or a terrorist organization?

          The POS in the White House needs to go to prison for dammage to our country!

          Go Trump!

    • More LIES,the cost of having refugees is about $700 a month for lets say a family of 4……..and most of the Money is spent on food, clothing etc etc etc etc……..thats how much we give them in benefits

      • And that’s $700 TOO much.
        Matters NOT just the amount, matters most that’s it’s OUR MONEY!!!!!!!!
        It’s OUR CHILDRENS FUTURE TOO!!!!!!!
        You and others wish to GIVE AWAY that which YOU DO NOT OWN, NOR EARNED!!!
        To those who have not earned it, and with NO PLANS TO ENSURE it gets paid back, or that these people will even GET OFF the give away system!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        Just how stupid does one have to be before realizing that sooner or later, one RUNS OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY!!!!!
        And just how stupid and ignorant of the fact that once one subsidizes others, more show up to take advantage of the subsidies?
        Only a fool and an idiot would support that B.S.

        • Mycomment was not refering to how the USAs system works, my commentis how we do it in Sweden………the USA has its own benefit programs, that cost 10s perhaps 100s of billions each and every year,and many of the recipients just sit on their fat backsides and do nothing

        • Amen !!

      • Bull s hit

      • Don’t forget housing.

      • THAT WONT EVEN COVER THE FREEEEE HEALTH CARE !

      • Then add food stamps, section 8 housing, free utilities, free Obamacare, free translator, free education and free lunches. Better not be any pork. Paid prayer TIME at work.
        Your tax dollars at work.

        • My reply is how we take in so many refugees and how we treat them………they get very basic living quarters, some may be lucky and get a very small flat, others may have to live in ex military quarters, butthe accomodation IS FREE, heating is free, but the have to pay for electricity and water….they also have to part pay for doctors, the pay for medication, transport, food, clothing etc etc etc….and a family of 4 will get about $700 a month…..not easy, but they get by……….and what is also important, ALL refugee SHALL go to School to learn our language, 5 Days every week, I see the adults going to the train at 6.45am every morning, and coming home at 4.15pm with some shopping……….if they miss a day, they WILL loose one Days benefit………and ALL Children shall go to the normal school,regardless of religion……….and they do very well, 8 yr old kids Learning a new language in 5-6 months…….This how we do it in SWEDEN……….a nation of caring peoplenot like the USA….a nation of hate

          https://goodcountry.org/index/overall-rankings

      • B.S. – The price WE pay for each refugee is $ 1700 . Inform yourself . All paid by our taxes .

        • Just because I post a comment on a US website…….doesnt mean that I am an American………this is a WWW a world wide website……and I posted a comment of how we do things in my country in Europé…………like I said $700 a month for a family of 4

          • You are in Europe and an European ; I am here and very well informed of our Problems . I am not in Europe and I don`t know what is going on there ; only from reading . How can I speak about Europe without being there and seeing all your problems .?????
            A Question for you : are you able to survive on a $ 700 a month .????
            You , yourself , are not convinced of what you are saying ; you are guessing #s ; you are simply talking and telling B.S.
            is about $700 a month for lets say a family of 4……..and most of the Money is spent on food, clothing etc etc etc etc…….
            Please tell it to yourself ; what you are saying is Crap .
            Have a nice day with your 700 . Please do not waste your time and
            please do not reply , my time is very important . Thanks.

          • Its OK pig shit face.you dont have to Believe anything,so fuck off

          • Typical Diarrhea mouth of yours ; you are not able to stay in a Polite conversation .
            Your Parents never told you about Respect . Go wash your mouth with soap and water , Rinse it with H2S04 .
            Have a Blessed Day .

          • Being vulgar and not very polite is the trade mark of most Americans, most have been born with a chip on both shoulders and they know it, they are loud mouth wherever they are even abroad, they Think that the USA invented almost Everything, and they know better than any other person…….there now, that wasnt too insulting, but i candomuch better when I try

    • I can see no reason that their behavior will be any different than it is in Sweden and Germany with it’s constant gang rapes of non Muslim women. For that reason alone we must vote for Trump.

    • If they can support that many illegals, because according to federal law all muslims are illegals, brought into country or not, they can give more to Vets and to Seniors than they are planning at this moment.

      • Beeotchstewie the deplorable

        Muslims were banned by law in 1952, that law is still on the books.

        • But there are 3.3million muslims in the USA as of today……….Islam is the third largest religion in the United States after Christianity and Judaism.[1] According to a 2010 study, it is followed by 0.9% of the population, compared to 70.6% who follow Christianity, 22.8% unaffiliated, 1.9% Judaism, 0.7% Buddhism, and 0.7% Hinduism.[1][2] According to a new estimate in 2016,………………………………………………………………………………………….. there are 3.3 million Muslims living in the United States, about 1% of the total U.S. population

    • there are also middle Eastern christians here who fled from Isis why do you even want these christians to be locked up with the Terrorists?

      • You are not very well Informed : from all the refugees that came here , Only 40 Christians .
        Please Inform yourself . Thanks.

    • Beeotchstewie the deplorable

      She wants to bring in 250K per year over 4 years. Muslims are non-assimilating welfare leeches the world over. The Shariacrats want all Christians and conservatives DEAD bringing in more jihadists is just the way to get the ball rolling.

    • You say it does not include COSTs born by the local communities for services…………so what do you estimate it could be for 125000 over 2 years

      • It’s difficult to say, but the children have to be educated, probably in Arabic, which will cost an arm and a leg. They have to be clothed, housed, feed and there will be stress on law enforcement for people who have know idea about American law, culture or values. Then, of course, the vetting process will miss radicalized Muslims and they are their own source of concern.

        • The figures you posted were extremely high. Here in Sweden we have done more for refugees than any other western country………last year 146000 came into Sweden………we coped but only just, and the anti muslim people forecast we would take in this year about 250000……….real scare mongering, 10 months on, just over 19000 have come……….and many many more have left, long process times, cheated into coming here, and the climate is very extreme…………however, those that decide to stay as long as need be, they are housed in small flats, or hostels, camping chalets, army barracks or whatever there is,nothing luxury at all, a roof over their head and heating, electricity and water is metered.
          An example of a family of 4, they receive about $700 a month for the family, for food, drink, doctors, medication, travel, clothing etc etc etc.All Children of 6 and over shall attend the Swedish schools,no ifs or buts, the men and women over school age, shall attend SFI schools every day of the week…….5 Days…….SFI Swedish For Immigrants……….if they miss a day they loose a Days benefit.I see them every morning at 6.45am going to the train station, and coming home at 4.20pm………….Always pleasant people to talk too, their kids are great, speak Swedish after just a few months…..so you see we are not showering Money over them
          example only-……….146000, 36500 families…….$700 a month, X12months, just over $300 000 000 a year, and most of the Money comes back into the Swedish economy, buying goods etc, and taxes

  2. Build a wall and hide the costs in the deal.Every bit of information from Obama’s foul government is a lie he cannot tell the truth his ship would sink. Hillary will continue the lies and take our guns and freedom as well. Do not think otherwise America begins it’s death on 11-8=16 if Trump is not elected.Stalin killed 100,000,000 Russians and Gorbachev ended communism for a while. Putin, an ex-KGB officer, retook the power and Russia will never see freedom again just as America will never see it if Hillary get in.People are foolish and brainwashed but it is over 11-08-16 unless Trump is elected and given his chance.

    • Trump clearly won the last debate and slammed the corrupt Hildabeast.
      Unfortunately the lamestreet media still tries to find anything to put him down-
      They asked him Will he accept defeat and he stated I’ll let you know – did All Gore??
      Here’s the question: Should Trump’s despicable, decades old and private comments be considered at a higher priority than the following issues in the upcoming Presidential election?

      1) Development of an effective new strategy for fighting world-wide terrorism which attacks it from within and without and openly recognizes that it is connected to Islam.
      2) Continuing to provide terrorists constitutionally provided rights which were meant for American citizens, not enemy combatants.
      3) Continuing to have open borders.
      4) Continuing to fail to enforce existing immigration laws.
      5) Restoring international respect for the U.S. throughout the world and no longer attempting to institute the failed policy of leading from behind.
      6) Restoring fairness in international trade.
      7) National debt reduction.
      8) Energy independence.
      9) Considering Hillary’s illegal criminal actions with emails in association with FBI and Justice Department compromising complicity, and in addition, her demeaning comments concerning husband Bill’s sexual victims, more damaging than Trump’s despicable comments.
      10) Electing a candidate who tells Wall Street one thing in private speeches and voters something else.
      11) Actively and openly supporting legitimate attitudes toward law enforcement officials who are placing their lives on the line every day.
      12) Discrediting political action groups which generate false narratives and participate in anarchistic activities to include rioting, looting, personal attacks, building burnings, the diminishment of others rights, blocking public avenues, and attacking police.
      13) Electing a candidate who grossly failed in her responsibility to insure Americans where safe in the performance of their embassy jobs in Bengazi-resulting in their deaths.
      14)-Her support structure is The Socialist Billionare George Sorros
      ( known to have damaged other countries and one of the most hated person on the planet) Who is promoting world order and doing everything to destroy us/our constitution from within.

      15. She jeopardized American National Security with her mishandling of top secret mail ( ignoring secure protocal- required by every Govt official) and made poor decisions to hide her mail from others.

      Voters are left with the options of making a stupid decision that is possibly only pious and self-righteous in lieu of a smart decision which serves the best interests of our United States. Intelligent American voters will stick to the issues.

      There’s only one choice
      Go Trump!

      • I wonder how many of these bi tches are going to come forward after the election after they stop getting paid?

        • Probably none. The Demon rats use these tactics when they can’t win on Merritt.
          All diversions to get people off of a topic and put them on the defensive. Staying focused to the important issues is what is needed.

          This will help our focus:
          Best depiction of why Americans want Trump!
          From the time I was able to vote I voted Republican. I am now 83.

          Recently I received a questionnaire and request for money from the Republican Party and strongly agree with every question, as I have since Obama was elected.

          Unfortunately the one question that was missing is: What have the Republicans done for the American people?

          We gave you a majority in the House and Senate, and you never listened to us. Now you want our money, my money, more money. You should be more concerned about our votes, not our money.

          You are the establishment which means all you want is to save your jobs and line your pockets.

          Well guess what? It’s not going to happen.

          You might think we are fools because you feel Trump is on a self-destruct course, but look beyond Washington and listen to the masses. Nobody has achieved what he has, especially in the state of New York

          Here’s why I want Trump. Yes, he’s a bit of an ass; yes, he’s an egomaniac; but I don’t care.

          The country is a mess because politicians suck.

          The Republican Party is two-faced and gutless, and illegals are everywhere.

          I want it all fixed!

          I don’t care that Trump is crude.

          I don’t care that he insults people.

          I don’t care that he has changed positions.

          I don’t care that he’s been married 3 times.

          I don’t care that he fights with Megan Kelly and Rosie O’Donnell.

          I don’t care that he doesn’t know the name of some Muslim terrorist.

          Our country has become weak, bankrupt. Our enemies are making fun of us. We are being invaded by illegals. We are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo and Hassid is a special group with special rights to a point, where we don’t even recognize the country we were born and raised in, “AND I JUST WANT IT FIXED.” And Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want.

          I’m sick of politicians, sick of the Democrat Party, the Republican Party, and sick of illegals. I just want this thing fixed. Trump may not be a saint, but he doesn’t have lobbyist money controlling him; he doesn’t have political correctness restraining him; all you know is that he has been very successful; a good negotiator; he has built a lot of things; and, he’s also not a politician. And, he says he’ll fix it. And, I believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong or looked at and called a liar.

          I don’t care if the guy has bad hair.

          You are welcome to pass this on, or not.

          Thought for the Day “No country can sustain, in idleness, more than a small percentage of its numbers. The great majority must labor at something productive!”

          Don R. “Dick” Ivey, PhD

          P.S. No Borders, No Language, No Culture = No Country.
          Go Trump!

        • If Trump should lose, he should do to Peoples Magazine what Joe Alioto did to Look Magazine. If Trump wins, he probably won’t have time to do that.

    • What a load of nonsense, Stalin killed about 16 million, and Russians have more freedom than Americans have

      • SAYS THE USEFUL IDIOT THAT VOTES DEMOCRAT ,,, GOOD ,MOVE COMRADE !

        • Dont Believe lies from your fellow Yanks

          This study
          reveals that U.S. military forces were directly responsible for about
          10 to 15 million deaths during the Korean and Vietnam Wars and the
          two Iraq Wars. The Korean War also includes Chinese deaths while the
          Vietnam War also includes fatalities in Cambodia and Laos.

          The American
          public probably is not aware of these numbers and knows even less
          about the proxy wars for which the United States is also responsible.
          In the latter wars there were between nine and 14 million deaths in
          Afghanistan, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, East Timor,
          Guatemala, Indonesia, Pakistan and Sudan.

          But the victims
          are not just from big nations or one part of the world. The remaining
          deaths were in smaller ones which constitute over half the total
          number of nations. Virtually all parts of the world have been the
          target of U.S. intervention.

          The overall
          conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been
          responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million
          people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.

          To the families
          and friends of these victims it makes little difference whether the
          causes were U.S. military action, proxy military forces, the
          provision of U.S. military supplies or advisors, or other ways, such
          as economic pressures applied by our nation. They had to make
          decisions about other things such as finding lost loved ones, whether
          to become refugees, and how to survive.

          And the pain
          and anger is spread even further. Some authorities estimate that
          there are as many as 10 wounded for each person who dies in wars.
          Their visible, continued suffering is a continuing reminder to their
          fellow countrymen.

          http://www.countercurrents.org/lucas240407.htm

      • That is because so many fools vote Democrat.

    • Ignore anibanib ; a paid troll .

  3. Build a wall,
    Then deal with the people that are inside.

    Build the wall first… Build the wall first…… Build the wall ……

    They say repeating things works in advertising, wonder if it works on Politicians?

  4. May be true but why turn them back out on the streets ?

  5. Jeh Johnson – another idiot heard from.

  6. Just in time to vote illegally

  7. we need ten times the number in deportation of 20 years. It does not do ny good to catch and release except for giving the false impression that something is being done.
    If you are here without government papers, you get tossed out PERIOD and coded for never getting approval to come back. Third time you get caught, you get executed as an enemy without a uniform invading the USA

    • You can`t go to another country without permission ; this is One of our many Laws that are not respected , obeyed and enforced . If someone goes to Mexico without permission : he will be in prison , chained to a metal ring on the floor and left there to putrefy .

  8. Funny that we don’t need a border wall, but obama just gave Mexico $75 million to build their border wall–Turns out Mexico needs a wall to stop all the central americans from coming into Mexico–I still can’t figure out why we don’t need a wall but mexico does??

  9. Demorats NEVER have a plan because they can’t see past their bulbous noses into the future. In other words, they aren’t “Visionaries”. They run things from the seat of their pants with ABSOLUTELY no thought involved!
    Did you notice last night at the Debate that killary daid what she wanted to do several times but not once did she say “How” she was going to accomplish those things. Oh, my bad. She daid.she was going to TAX big corporations and individuals making over 6 figures to get that money. WOW! That’s perfect! Get Corporations to bring their industries back to the U.S. and them SLAM THEM WITH EVEN HIGHER TAXES THAN BEFORE THAT MADE THEM LEAVE! BRILLIANT!

    If liberals don’t get it that their beloved airhead leader hasn’t a clue how to fix our Nation, they better wake up before they follow the Bozo Pied Piper into Looney Land and destroy America’s chances of recovery from another of Looneyland’s snakes, bho.

    VOTE FOR TRUMP — leave killary and her drones to walk Looneyland for the rest of their ignorant lives!

    • The welfare of the American people is never on the liberal agenda. It is always delta smelt, wolves imported from Canada, illegal emigrants, Muslim migrants, or whatever. No matter what the issue, it always comes before the welfare of the American people.
      Trump = AMERICAN PEOPLE FIRST!

      • And yet is is OBAMA who deported millions of illegals.

        • Wasn’t obama but ICE who captured the illegals and kicked them over the border. Bho would NEVER go against his PuppetMaster Soros who wants America flooded with illegals AND MUSLIMS. Don’t ever believe anyone saying obama did that. He is physically, mentally and emotionally unable to do that period.

          When Trump gets in office, he will deport so many illegals and build a massive wall between Mexico and the U.S. for security backed by our Military and any other means of securing our borders. AMERICA IS NOT A BABYSITTING SERVICE FOR OTHER COUNTRY’S PEOPLES…not now, not ever! Time America is for Americans…and no one else! Send obama over to Mexico. He can personally help those people out. He’ll fit in the corrupt Mexican govt perfectly!

          • If the wall is built on the American side of the river, would that mean that we are essentially surrendering the river to Mexico?

          • I believe that the river is a wall itself and anyone that tries to cross it from Mexico into the U.S. would be stopped anywhere up to maybe 10′ from the Mexico shore…by Mexican authorities and U.S. border patrol.

            Many people have drowned trying to cross into the U.S. that way. At this point I’m sure ICE AND the Border Patrol monitor that area constantly.

            In the 1960’s Latinos escaping into America were called Wetbacks because that’s their main way to enter illegally. But now there are drones and patrols that guard our borders, plus tall fences. But that doesn’t stop them because they dig substantial tunnels from Mexico to the U.S.

            My solution for that would.be to build a large deep moat (water channel) close to the tall fence at the border. That way any tunnels would have to go so far down and would be subject to leakage from the water above it that they would stop building tunnels.

            It would be expensive but by refusing to give millions of dollars to the MIddle Eastern countries (because they are disrespectful and fighting the U.S.), THOSE MONIES COULD BE USED TO CREATE THAT WATER FEATURE.
            It’s a thought…

          • My father used to call them Wetbacks when I was a little boy so that term goes all the way back to the 1940’s. I believe we need to deport the ones that come to us. Either in the back seat of a police car for DUI or some other crime, or they apply for welfare or other such services, or to abuse the Emergency rooms at hospitals. A lot of Americans are killed by illegals DUI. Sometimes it seems like God cursed us all by making some of them just barely intelligent enough to operate a motor vehicle.

          • I inow what you mean. Can you speak any Spanish? If you can, it’s a great way to stop these illegals from copping out when they get in a car accident with you. Some of them play very ignorant of our English until a cop comes and says the magic words, “jail time”.

            I had one hit me from behind when the cars in front of me suddenly stopped. I had stopped without hitting anyone when he plowed right into my rear end going 35 mph. The impact was hard enough to throw my sunglasses off my face and they landed at the rear door of my SUV. When I got out to see if anyone was hurt, the illegal (who had no insurance and was driving an old VW bug with only a driver’s seat on the floor) tried to say he didn’t understand English. So I went to what I could remember of my 3 years of Spanish in High School and asked him if he could speak english. When he said No, he asked me if I spoke Spanish and I told him “a little” in Spanish.

            Eventually I got enough info from him to know he tried to stop but just couldn’t. After seeing how his car was piece mealed together, I believed him. I also found out that the car behind him had pushed him into me. There were 5 cars involved and the very last one was at fault behind the illegal.

            The illegal was taken away in an ambulance because he didn’t have a seatbelt and had injuries to his chest and chin. Once he knew I could speak to him and understand him, he no longer tried to hide behind the “No Ingles” excuse but was cooperating with everyone.
            You don’t have to be fluent in Spanish, but just know some key words like “Como se llama” (what’s your name?) “Como se dice en Espanole: car?. (How do you say in Spanish “car”? “Caro”. They will help you communicate.

            When you think of all the illegals as a whole it is easy to hate them. But when you deal with one and get to know them, it isn’t so easy to hate that one person. Still, they have broken our laws and are feeding on our Social Security and someone needs to stop this craziness now!

          • Since this illegal was not the cause of the accident he is not one I would want to deport. Even if he was the cause I would not necessarily want to deport him. I was talking about the drunk drivers. I live in San Jose so someone who can’t get along with other nationalities would have a very hard time here. Unfortunately we can’t deport drunk drivers who are US citizens. Otherwise I would be in favor of that tool.
            We didn’t seem to have any problem with wetbacks back then. My uncle had the same one working for him every year during the harvest season.

      • Agreed 100%! Time for Americans to come first before any liberal agenda. That will only happen if Trump is elected. VOTE TRUMP!

    • All good points- so true. You might appreciate this letter from father to his son in lieu of what’s happening in our country: You wonder why your country is F____. son? It’s what happens when your nation elects an obscure turd from the sewage catch basin of the corrupt shit hole that is Chicago politics.
      An unqualified, community organizing, American hating, Islam loving
      Racist mulatto faggot who has as much business occupying the People’s White House as a serial child rapist does running a day care center. A turd that no matter how much glitter these left-wing ass pimples dumped on it still couldn’t change the harsh truth that despite the glam and hype, underneath its still a stinking piece of shit. And that’s what you have running the greatest free nation in the history of the world straight into the ground…on purpose and by design. MAKE NO MISTAKE AMERICA this worthless son of a bitch Is & forever will be recognized as The Worst President in The History of America!

      Only Trump can stop the bleeding!

  10. This is all about arrogant policies not about laws. We have laws. We should enforce our laws. And we should enforce those coming into our country obey our laws. But it looks as though we have a govt that does like or enforce certain laws. Dump them and get a govt that will enforce our laws. This policy in itself is unlawful.

  11. Might be a good idea to put the “Gimme, don’t work me” types to work helping to deport all ILLEGALS occupying this country! If they are here ILLEGALLY, THEY DON’T BELONG HERE SO SHIP THEM OUT!

  12. Illegal immigrant ARRESTS are up because “illegal immigration” is up!
    What the hell would you expect???

  13. Robbert Hoekstra Azusa

    Of course, the Muslim Arab Hussein Obama needs all the Taxpayers’ money he can get to support his government programs for the hundreds of thousands of his Muslim ARAB “refugees” his Executive Power order is bringing into the country. The lives of America’s retirees, of ALL color, DO NOT MATTER, and they worked for it.

  14. ACCORDING to DK more than 64,000 illegal immigrants have killed and/or murdered Americans the past 15 years.

    They are very destructive people and why they are TURD world countries that Demoncraps INSIST come to your land.

    They rape, pillage, murder everywhere they are allowed in. Why haven’t you arrested your leaders for treason???

    Many should be held liable for the murders and rapes, IMO. But if you do nothing they will just bring in more till you cry out to them (yes amazing) and what do they do?

    Make sure more of your rights are taken away. Pretty soon they will say the only thing that will solve this problem is to take away your PESKY Constitution and give FULL POWER.

    In another word turn it to another TURD world country and they are HALF WAY there with all the illegal immigrants they have allowed to INVADE YOUR LAND!!!

    And you still don’t get it!!!

      • LOL! Good liar. Sign up at the Demoncrap office they need people like you.

        • It is the truth……..and now as many as 33000 are killed by guns each year in the USA……….if you say I am lying, then prove it

        • more proff……..

          How many people die of gunshot wounds …

          https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-die-of-gunshot-wounds-each-year

          How many people die of gunshot wounds each year … How many people, who die of gunshots, … It is generally accepted that about 32,000 people die of gun shots in …

          More than 30,000 People Die from Gunshots Wounds Each …

          https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/Olson_21.pdf · PDF-fil

          More than 30,000 People Die from Gunshots Wounds Each Year in the United States . Georgina Olson . … many of which do not stay in the U.S. territory, …

          Terrible tally: 500 children dead from …

          http://www.nbcnews.com/…news/…dead-gunshots-every-year-7-500-f8C11469222

          About 500 American children and teenagers die in hospitals every year after sustaining gunshot … NBC News VR; College Game Plan … 500 children dead from gunshots …

          How many gunshot deaths occur each year …

          http://www.answers.com › … › Society and Civilization › Demographics

          2016-10-12 · How many gunshot deaths occur each year in … that as many as 44,000 to 98,000 people die in hospitals each year … are caused by gun shots

          • No, you are giving PHONY figures. You are lump summing from everything and trying to blame the gun.

            What about doctors and their ubiquitous prescription. Estimate 150,000 to 250,000 deaths a year.

            Or car accidents that of about 32,000 a year worldwide.

            How come you don’t ban doctors, pharmaceuticals, or cars YOU PHONY!!!

          • I am only the Messenger,I post figures from US websites………….guns KILL, that is why American have and WANT them, so as to kill Another person, true motor cars also kill people, usually loonies who do not have any regard for other road users, or perhaps they are car drivers who didnt get the gun they wanted, so………….they took their car and killed someone………and police they also shoot tokill 1000s every year, only because they are confronted with a crazy gunowner. In my country the last time a policeman killed anybody was 19yrs ago………..wedo not have guns like the USA………the last time a policeman killed a person in Iceland was 75 yrs ago…………are you getting the Picture………a gun society like theUSA 10sof 1000s are killed each year

          • Why Don’t We Know How Many People Are Shot Each Year in America?
            By Lois Beckett

            Has nonfatal gun violence increased or decreased over the past 10 years? No one really knows.

            Updated May 15, 2014 3:38 p.m.: The article was
            updated to clarify that CDC estimates for nonfatal, violent gun injuries“include only injuries caused by violent assault, not accidents,self-inflicted injuries, or shootings by police.”

            How many Americans have been shot over the past 10 years? No one really knows. We don’t even know if the number of people shot annually has gone up or down over that time.

            The government’s own numbers seem to conflict. One source
            of data on shooting victims suggests that gun-related violence has been declining for years, while another government estimate actually shows an increase in the number of people who have been shot. Each estimate is based on limited, incomplete data. Not even the FBI tracks the total number of nonfatal gunshot wounds.

            “We know how many people die, but not how many are injured and
            survive,” said Dr. Demetrios Demetriades, a Los Angeles trauma surgeon who has been studying nationwide gunshot injury trends.

            While the number of gun murders has decreased in recent years,
            there’s debate over whether this reflects a drop in the total number of shootings, or an improvement in how many lives emergency room doctors can save.

            Doctors and researchers have been advocating for better gun injury data since the late 1980s. But fierce political battles over gun violence research — including pressure from congressional lepublicans that put an end to some government-funded studies on firearms — has meant that we still don’t know many basic facts about gun violence in America.

            “In the absence of real data, politicians and policymakers do what
            the hell they want,” Dr. David Livingston, the director of the New
            Jersey Trauma Center at University Hospital in Newark. said “They do what the hell they want anyway,” he added, “but in the absence of data, they have nobody to call them on it.”

            An initial push to create a national database of firearm injuries in the late 1980s and early 1990s was slowed by the political fight over Centers for Disease Control and Prevention funding for gun research, according to a history of the project written by researchers who worked on it. To make the effort more politically viable, as well as more scientifically rigorous, researchers decided to collect data on all violent deaths, not just firearm deaths.

            And to cut costs, they decided to focus only on fatal injuries. Even that more limited effort has languished without full congressional funding — the database currently covers fewer than half of all states.

            Most discussions of crime trends in America look back 20 years, to
            1993, when violent crime of all kinds hit its peak. Compare 1993 to
            today, and the picture looks bright: The number of murders is down nearly 50 percent, and other kinds of violent crime have dropped even further.

            The Department of Justice has estimates of nonfatal shootings that suggest a similar trend: Its National Crime Victimization Survey
            shows a decline, from an average of about 22,000 nonfatal shootings in 2002, to roughly 12,000 a year from 2007 to 2011, according to a Department of Justice statistician.

            But over the same time period, CDC estimates show that the number of Americans coming to hospitals with nonfatal, violent gun injuries has actually gone up: from an estimated 37,321 nonfatal gunshot injuries in 2002 to 55,544 in 2011. (These numbers include only injuries caused by violent assault, not accidents, self-inflicted injuries, or shootings by police.)

            The contrast between the two estimates is hard to clear up, since each data source has serious limitations.

            Experts say that household data-gathering efforts, like the National
            Crime Victimization Survey, likely miss the Americans who are most
            likely to be victims of gun violence.

            Shooting victims are “disproportionately young men of color who are living unstable lives and often involved in underground markets or criminal activity, and this is a group that is incredibly difficult to
            survey,” said Philip Cook, a gun violence expert at Duke University. “A lot of them are in jail at any point in time, or if they’re not in jail,
            they have no stable address.”

            Meanwhile, the CDC numbers are based on a representative sample of 63 hospitals nationwide, and the margin of error for each estimate is very large. The CDC’s best guess for the number of nonfatal intentional shootings in 2012 is somewhere between 27,000 and 91,000.

            “Uncertainty in the estimates precludes definitive conclusions,” one group of medical researchers explained in a back-and-forth in a journal on internal medicine last year.

            The FBI also gathers data on gun crime from local police departments, but most departments do not track the number of people who are shot and survive. Instead, shootings are counted as part of the broader category of “aggravated assault,” which includes a range of gun-related crimes, from waving a gun at threateningly to actually shooting someone.

            There were about 140,000 firearm aggravated assaults nationwide in 2012, according to the FBI’s report. How many of those assaults
            represent someone actually getting shot? There’s no way to tell.

            The lack of a clear number of nonfatal shootings has caused confusion.

            A frequently cited 2012 Wall Street Journal article attributed the falling murder rate to advances in trauma care: “In Medical Triumph, Homicides Fall Despite Soaring Gun Violence.” The
            article based its conclusion — that “America has become no less violent” over the past two decades — on the CDC’s shooting estimates.

            The article did not cite the other estimates of gun violence that show shootings trending down, or the level of uncertainty in the CDC’s own data.

            Livingston, the Newark trauma surgeon, said that it’s “very nice”
            when journalists give trauma surgeons credit for saving more lives. “I think that improvements in trauma care clearly have made a great difference,” he said. “On the other hand, if you don’t know the extent of all of the patients, and all of the data, you can make some erroneous conclusions.”

            At University Hospital, which treats the vast majority of shooting
            victims from Newark and surrounding towns, Livingston and other doctors decided to do their own research.

            “It’s easy to count dead people. But counting people who are merely injured? The data was all over the place, and, frankly, terrible,” Livingston said.

            In a paper published early this year, they looked back at their own hospital’s records and logged every gunshot wound patient from 2000 to 2011.

            What they found was that the number of patients injured by guns had actually held roughly steady over the past decade. But the injuries were getting worse. The percentage of patients who came in with multiple bullet wounds had increased from only 10 percent in 2001 to 23 percent in 2011. The incidence of brain and spinal cord injuries almost doubled.

            And though trauma care has advanced over the past decade, the
            mortality rate for gunshot wound patients in Newark had actually
            increased, from 9 percent to 14 percent.

            With more severe gunshot injuries came increased costs.
            The researchers estimated the total cost over 10 years for their
            hospital was at least $115 million — and three quarters of that was
            unreimbursed, which meant that taxpayers ultimately paid the bills.

            In total, the hospital had treated an average of 527 patients with
            intentional violent gunshot injuries each year: “unrelenting violence,” as the researchers termed it.

            Are the trends that the Newark researchers observed an anomaly? Or are gunshot wound injuries across the county becoming more severe, as they have at this one hospital? The Newark researchers looked for national data and could not find it.

            After the American Bar Association and medical and public health groups collaborated on an extensive campaign — with the message, “what we don’t know is killing us” — Congress did
            approve funds to begin building a National Violent Death Reporting
            System in 2002. The push was inspired by a successful effort to track highway vehicle accidents, which experts say has helped reduce the number of deaths from car crashes.

            But until last year, the system had only received enough
            congressional funding to collect detailed data on deaths in 18 states. Then after the Sandy Hook shootings, Congress approved an additional nearly $8 million for database, though that still isn’t enough to detail violent deaths in all 50 states.

            President Obama has asked for enough funding next year — $23.5 million — to allow the CDC to finally begin to collect violent death data nationwide.

            As for tracking the number of Americans who are violently injured and survive, CDC spokeswoman Courtney Lenard, said simply, that “is something that may be considered in the future.”

            Funding a CDC effort to track nonfatal violence is not the only path
            to getting a better answer. Livingston and Demetriades, the Los Angeles trauma surgeon, suggested that independent medical associations could also help collect national nonfatal gun injury data, supported by government funding, and perhaps by legislation. In order to get a clear picture of gun violence, injury data from hospitals should be combined with local law enforcement data about crimes, they said.

            Another solution might be better FBI data. “In my opinion, the FBI’s
            UniformCrime Reports system should be changed so that it tracks nonfatal gunshot woundings in criminal assaults,” said Daniel Webster, a gun violence researcher at Johns Hopkins University.

            “If the FBI could get local agencies to include nonfatal criminal
            shootings into its UCR system, you have the capacity to track
            information that hospitals couldn’t — distinguishing domestic shootings, from gang shootings, from robbery shootings.”

            An FBI spokesman said that changes in data collection practices could be made through congressional mandate or through the Criminal Justice Information Services Division Advisory Process, which would require buy-in from an advisory board of local, state and national law enforcement representatives.

            In the past, changes to UCR data collection methods have been rare, the spokesman said. But several changes have been made in recent years, including changing the definition of rape, and changing how data about hate crimes is collected.

            Cook, the Duke University researcher, said that the first step should
            be to find out why CDC data shows a different trend than other
            measures, and clarifying whether the ways hospitals collect data — or changes in the willingness of patients with minor gunshot wounds to come to the hospital for treatment — might explain the disparity.

            “We have a variety of other evidence that gun violence is going
            down,” Cook said. “By Occam’s razor, I’d have to believe that the
            simplest explanation is that the nonfatal woundings are going down,
            too.”

            SEE, I can pick and choose too!

    • Agree– That’s why we need Trump to get us back on track. Between the Muslim POS in the White House and a misguided millennial voting crowd our country has been Shanghaied by the corrupt left wing socialist George Sorros.

  15. 20 years ago I could count the Illegals on my hands, now I could not get a construction job because I speak little Spanish. Our teachers must try to teach the children English who know only Spanish. The schools our paying for free breakfast, lunch, and weekend take home backpacks at the expense of the citizens children. From what I see the open borders crowd has already won.

  16. Watch Border Wars on the Justice channel to see what really goes on. We are not winning the battle on illegals entering the country and drug smuggling.

  17. Beeotchstewie the deplorable

    Arrests are up in an election year, BUT how many of them were actually tried, convicted and deported, that is the real measure, not the Shariacratic lie.

  18. Stop blaming the Koran blame the Imams who preach their interpretations. The difference between the north and the southern interpretations of the bible caused the civil war.

  19. Who’s responsible for Our problems?

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.
    When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.
    If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.
    If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it’s because they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan …
    If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.
    There are no insoluble government problems.

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power.

    Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
    They, and they alone, have the power.
    They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses, provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees…

    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess! Note which candidate is not part of this corruption—Trump!

  20. Have they arrested Imam Obama yet?

  21. #1 – IF I’ve followed this subject, there may have been ‘more arrests in 2016,’ but were there deportations matching the number of arrests?? I don’t think so!
    #2 – It was illegal for welfare benefits to be given to illegals. When did that change? I’lll answer my own questions on that: ever since BO moved into 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.!

  22. If they wanted to truly tackle this problem of illegal immigration it would not be that difficult…
    1. Build the wall.
    2. Pass legislation causing the people to self-deport, such as; All illegals (Each and everyone no matter age) must register with county clerk office where living, within the next 60 days. anyone not having done so and caught afterwards would be deported and all processions would be confiscated and sold, proceeds going to local, state and federal governments for expensive incurred. All illegals would have to pay a fine of no less than $2,000 for each member of the family per year for the next 10 years for having caused a burden on this nation… All employers would have to verify illegals registration and pay the illegals health benefits of their employees… Absolutely no benefits of any (From local, state or federal governments) kind would be paid out to them for anything until their 10 years of payment has been made. All would receive a card much like our Social Security Card but of one certain color with noted Illegal immigrant written on it. No Illegal immigrant would ever be allowed to vote in any election ever and no illegal immigrant can ever become a citizen of USA because they entered illegally, neither can any children of these illegal immigrant ever become a citizen of USA.
    3. Any government official found trying to disregard these laws set in place would be fined no less than $5000 per offense and with a second occurrence $10,000 and 10 years imprisonment.
    4. Prison terms for any violation would be meant with hard labor and definitely no special meals prepared for special prisoners of certain religions… Maybe if we would set this in motion for all prisoners today the crime rates would began dropping throughout USA.

    I believe the vast majority would self-deport with these limitations be enacted.

  23. Arrests up, Deportations down, Intake of illegal “refugees” up. – Guess I have to say, So what? – We are screwed without a President Trump.

  24. king obumba is just making a show by deporting illegals so the dems look good for Hillary. If she becomes queen she will welcome them all back with benefits and millions more. Trump in Nov or America is only a memory.

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