How Big Would a Sanders Government Be?

At the PBS Democratic debate Thursday night, Bernie Sanders was asked by the moderator how large the federal government would be under his ideal administration.

“Of course there will be a limit,” Sanders said. “But when today you have massive levels of income and wealth inequality, when the middle class is disappearing, you have the highest rate of child poverty of almost any major country on Earth — yes, in my view, the government of a democratic society has a moral responsibility to play a vital role in making sure all of our people have a decent standard of living.”

How strange that we have all of these massive problems after seven years of a liberal Democrat in the White House. Granted, Sanders has argued that Obama failed to get the job done, but no one can pretend that Obama ran a conservative administration. The issues Sanders cites have only become bigger problems under his tax-and-spend watch. And now we’re to believe that the solution is to double-down on that kind of liberalism?

What makes Sanders especially irritating is that he winds up making Hillary Clinton look sensible by comparison. As people – as individuals you might want to hang out with, for instance – there’s no contest: Sanders is likeable, passionate, and he comes off like a real guy. His aims for America are tragically terrible, but there’s not much doubt about his sincerity. Clinton is as oily as they come, but she knows that you can only take Democratic Party nonsense so far.

“Judy, I think that the best analysis that I’ve seen based on Senator Sanders’ plans is that it would probably increase the size of the federal government by about 40%,” Clinton said at the debate.

Clinton isn’t exactly attacking Sanders from the right – she wants to build on Obama’s policies, especially as it pertains to healthcare – but it’s still mind-boggling to see her forced to defend American capitalism. And unfortunately for her, every time she does so, Sanders fans see it as proof of her Wall Street corruption. And the conservative press is so pleased to see Clinton floundering that they don’t see the real threat on that stage. This arrogance that says a Sanders nomination would automatically mean a Republican win is dangerous. You’d think the story of the GOP primaries would be enough to show that anything can happen.

A Clinton administration would be terrible, but a Sanders administration could very well push this country into oblivion. Even his strong showing in this race is a menace to America, and it could accelerate our already-rapid descent into mediocrity.

 

 

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  1. The Government that Bernie Sanders will never be…. as soon as he established his Democratic Socialists Government it would fall to some sort of communism.

    God help us, and especially our Children if we allow that form of evil to rise.

    • Bingo. It happens every time, and Bernie is a soft target. Have you seen Curtis Bowers’ films, Agenda Grinding America Down and Agenda 2 Masters of Deceit. The communists have been working in the background for decades. We have to expose their agenda to the folks who have been indoctrinated. They don’t know that they’re being made into subjects of the state.

      • Let’s face it the UK is now communist, as well as all of the western European countries. We are just shy of that with Medicare the ACA, Social Security, and the VA, along with other government programs,

        • I would agree that the ACA is just short of socialized (one pay) medicine. But, if a person is forced to pay into Social Security all their working lives, then they deserve to be paid back. If a veteran, who serves and puts his life in danger protecting this country, he deserves and has earned the benefits he receives. No one should be forced to contribute to programs that do not offer some form of pay back. But you are right in that save for the VA, these programs are socialistic in that they take the product of some ones labor and redistribute it to everyone.
          The only way is not depriving those that have contributed to be denied, but to dissolve federal agencies that are not part of the original directives of the Constitution.

        • True, but the USA isn’t Europe. Exposing them is of utmost importance.

      • I have allowing history to repeat itself. while I slept…

        • Me, too. I’m awake now, though. The films confirm what we’re seeing in our society, but also show us how and why. The fight isn’t over.

          • My awakening came from two sources. The book “The Naked Communists” which lists a set of agenda items created by communists in Russia designed to weaken America’s institutions, that have been adopted by the Democrat party.

            Note #15.

            15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

            Couple the list with this short clip by Yuri Bezmenov describing what the KGB was focusing on some time back and it becomes clear that the US has been under attack since . If you look at it carefully, you can see Hillary, and 0bama’s actions as he describes it.

            https://youtu.be/mqSV72VNnV0

            Phase 1: Demoralization 15-20 (Evidence Liberal Trolls)
            Phase 2: Destabilization 2-5 years (Destroy economy, foreign relations, Defense systems)
            Phase 3: Crisis 6 weeks – includes a violent change in power. (0bama want to accomplish this so he does not have to leave office.)
            Phase 4: Then Normalization which lasts indefinitely. (this will not happen until every last patriot is dead.)

            God Bless the United States.

          • I’m in the process of reading that now. It was mentioned in the films. Very interesting. Thanks for the comment. People need to be made aware of these agendas.Blessings to you and yours.

    • Socialism can only work if the electorate is willing to mutually contribute. it can only survive if there is a population having a solid majority who have a strong work ethic. When this fails to exist, as it does among the urban inner-city dwellers of America, people will have to be forced to work by the government administrators. In order to accomplish this, the masses will have to be forced into a communal existence where they can be controlled by the administrators. This is where socialism becomes communism. Bear in mind that, at this point, you no longer have a government by the people for the people. All of those now receiving the goodies and freebies from Obama’s minions will suddenly find that there are no longer any freebies and will in most probability attempt to revolt. Those revolting will then be placed into reeducation communes or camps where they will be enlightened by the ruler’s minions. Those sufficiently enlightened will possibly be allowed to eventually leave the camps and rejoin their families. Some, on the other hand, will never exit the camps. Worked for Joe Stalin – will probably work for Obama for a while.

      Incidentally, Pappa Joe Stalin often also called his government Progressive.

      • That is why I say that Socialism always falls to communism. And the Socialists will have to destroy the Constitution to enslave the masses under communism.

        Socialism will never exist until EVIL is removed from Earth. The masses will view the lazy as evil. Progressives do not recognize evil, thus they will never achieve their utopia…

        Excellent post, thank you.

      • What you say here is true except socialism never really works and eventually always becomes communism or a form of communism. What is being proposed by so called democrats here in the US is not just socialism it is communism. And that will never work here. Never! What has happened to this economy under obama would be considered flourishing in a communistic society but not in a free enterprise society. Furthermore, you are right again there are no freeloaders in socialism or communism. There may be no motivation but there is also no freebie programs.

    • so then after i get my Pokemon cards i will challenge Bernie sanders to a Pokemon battle

  2. The middle class is disappearing and child poverty is up. Bernie, it was policies by your party that’s responsible, you FN dork!

    • Not just the Democrats but also the Republicans. It is the latter that has always been associated with big corporations.

      • Yet, it was the democratic presidents and congress that made it possible for jobs to go overseas. And it is democratic policies that created the huge gulf between the have’s and have not’s today.
        As for the republican association with big corporations, may I remind you that GE and other large corporations have been and are associated with democrats, as well as the Unions.

      • So You say The Republicans are mostly the ones associated with large corporations. O really . Just where did all Obama s an hillarys campaign contributions come from . Here is your answer General motors GENERAL Electric wall street ,George Soros. Mark Cuban. Donald Trump. Micheal Bloomburg. An many many more.

        • Not even counting the unions – which are also owned by the democrats ! Between 1989 and 2012 unions have dumped $602,108,049.00 in into the democrat party !

      • The Republican party has been taken over by progressives, they are liberals in conservative clothing. What we call crony Capitalism is the collusion of big government and big business and is far closer to communism than it is to capitalism…

        While crony capitalism happened under the guise of being Republican funded, I think it is actually progressive traitors that are the source of the corruption.

      • What do corporations have to do with it? It’s strictly because of left wing policies.

      • The reason Republicans are associated with big corporations is that they give people JOBS. 🙂

  3. Well a Sanders ,Shillary or Trump Government won’t look much different.

  4. IF BERNIE SANDERS GOT IN AS OUR PRESIDENT,THIS WOULD TRULY BE THE END OF AMERICA, SPIRITUALLY, MENTALLY, MORALLY, PHYSICALLY, AND FINANCIALLY. ALL THOSE WHO GAVE THEIR “ALL” FOR AMERICA, WOULD BE FOR NOTHING. LORD HELP US. !!!
    BOBBY ~!~

  5. I can sum up Bernie in one word. Bankruptcy. But I also have to wonder about the word we have put out to prospective immigrants. I believe it is called – hard work leads to prosperity. Prosperity is a sin only to socialists.

    • Bankruptcy; not unless we fail to pay our debts. As for hard work leading to prosperity? Well, there are a lot of people who work really hard and never get ahead. How can you if wages and salaries are stagnant? But this has been a trend that has been going on for about 30 years. As soon as board members and CEOs started getting millions in salary, the money had to come from somewhere and it turned out to be the ‘lowering’ of wages and salaries for regular workers. Think of the golden parachutes execs get, especially when they are let go.

      • Bankruptcy does not only include a failure to pay debts, it also includes the inability to pay debts unless the only way you can pay is through borrowing. At some point in time, China and others owing our debt will call in their notes.

      • Mogan,
        I believe that since our national debt is 19 trillion and rising if Obama gets his way that will come to a day under a Sanders government that will lead to the US ability to not be able to pay our debt. I believe that is called bankruptcy. Why are wages stagnant? We have lost a lot of jobs that supported people for a long time after WWII. We have not replaced enough of them with any better paying jobs since. Yes, we do have some better paying jobs in new fields but we do not have enough people trained to do those jobs. But all too many people cannot afford the education to get the jobs. So, we are between a rock and a hard place. New startup companies do not have the time nor money to train people so they need a labor pool in a specific location to be able to move their business to that location. Is that the fault of the Wall Street wealthy? That is the fault of a society/government more bent on welfare than solutions.

    • you should look up the word socialist Jerry.

      you seem confused about what Bernie is proposing.
      maybe you can link me to him saying we are taking over the means of production and distribution.

      • Reality,
        Maybe you should get a history book on socialism and where it goes.

        • well Jerry, so far there has NEVER even been a “socialist country”

          so tell me , where does it go? (once one has happened that IS)

          “communism” NEVER even has happened for that matter.

          so before you go quoting Marx, we should get that part clear.

          • Reality,
            I am sure you have read many books of socialism. Where did it lead? ask the Russians and Chinese.
            .

          • well Jerry, Russia NEVER achieved “socialism” did they.

            nor did China.

            AND both those countries NOW practice Capitalism, PROVING that the commie thing is a dismal failure.

            but for some reason you conservatives seem to think THAT failure has some allure for the left.

            WHY IS THAT JERRY?

          • Relaity,
            You sure read different books than I have. I will have to dig up one.

          • I would refresh the definition of “socialism” before you do that.

            Russian leaders were “preaching” socialism after the revolution but that did not happen.

            have any of the Northern EU countries gone commie yet?

          • O yes they have North eastern European nations have already fallen into Communism
            Spain is right there . Greece pretty dam close,right on the verge. Just look real close at Germany anti free speech policies Same with the many northern EU nations free speech is dead. Socialism -communism. They are all very much on the verge of Complete Communism. My friend The evidence is available if one would just look below the surface. All signs lead to one critical evidentiary point ,once the right of the people to keep an Bare Arms goes, as in most of All of Europe so goes free speech.. An yes the European people have ever so slowly enslaved them selves. It is the niave foolish fools whom persist in believing other wise.

          • “O yes they have North eastern European nations have already fallen into Communism”

            Geez,
            that is proof that you don’t even have the intellect of a radish.

    • “Prosperity is a sin only to socialists.”

      no one here is a socialist Jerry
      we are Democratic Socialists.
      YOU are a Democratic Socialist.

      you seem to not realize

      Social Security is Democratic Socialism.
      Medicare is Democratic Socialism.
      Medicaid is Democratic Socialism
      Post Office are Democratic Socialism. (and in the Constitution)
      The US highway system is Democratic Socialism (and in the Constitution)
      our electric grid is Democratic Socialism
      Public Utilities are Democratic Socialism

      the VA is “socialism”. you want to end that?

      • Reality,
        Some of your list are the responsibility but most should be out of the government hands and into private enterprise with government oversight and all need to be optional to the public. WE should be in control of our destiny, not the government. If a person muffs it, tough.

        • ” but most should be out of the government hands and into private enterprise”

          like healthcare, Untied HC CEO make 60 million a year and runs on a 20% overhead.

          medicare runs on a 3-4% overhead.
          so which do you think runs better?

          you want to put SS into Wall Street?

          so It would be crashed in 2008. (and senors starve)
          oh and every time the client burps, wall street charges you a fee.

          so tell me what has been privatized that works better?

          maybe military contractors that make 10 times what a US service man makes?
          that sounds efficient.

          • Relaity, before I respond to this post I need to eat dinner. But just for kicks I looked up socialism in good old Webster. I suggest you do the same.

          • You must be referring to the government owning the means of production and distribution.

            ya, but we are not talking about that.
            That would be disingenuous to even suggest that.

            Universal HC just means the bills get paid from one source instead of a hundred insurance companies.

            the Doc, Hospital, and clinics remain the same.

          • Reality,
            It means we the people have choices, not tyranny.

          • having healthcare and being responsible is not tyranny.

            can we put labels on those who DON’T get HC so we can let them die?

            I have a feeling you are not going to go for that.

            WE currently PAY for those dead beats.
            why you good with THAT?

          • Reality,

            You just do not get it. We need better health care than we have at present. It needs to be free as possible for people to make their own choices. Yes, some make bad choices. Whose fault is that? Sounds cruel? What about auto accidents? What about suicides? What about drownings? We give people the freedom to throw their lives away in so many ways already.

          • Reality,

            I got answers for you in the mawnin. It R bedtime now. Don’t wait up. I have a good response.

          • Reality,

            Let me get back to the basics of our disagreement.

            Socialism is defined in my dictionary as a system of government in which the producers possess both the political power and the means of producing and distributing goods. I would add that it provides total control of government, not government FOR the People and BY the people. It has led to disaster in many other countries which has led to ruin.

            As for privatizing government, to be sure we need government. But much of it is more privatized than we think. Space and boredom will not permit me to delve into every segment of our society and government. So let me do a couple.

            Transportation:

            Mass transit today across this country is accomplished by bus lines, railroads and air lines, all private business.

            Modes of transportation are accomplished by more private enterprises than government. Engineering, geology, soils companies, laboratories, surveyors, legal requirements and traffic analysis re all done by private enterprise.

            Education:

            Most school systems, while run by local governments, are just that – local. Teachers, administrators, and all associated duties can and often are done by private enterprise. Or have you overlooked private schools, Christian schools and home schooling. And then there is private enterprise when it comes to psychologists and psychiatrists, nursing homes and health care clinics.

            Health:

            Hospitals, doctors, pharmaceutical laboratories, ambulances and insurance companies are private enterprise.

            Therefore, we can and should privatize wherever possible. and we generally do. I would not like it any other way.
            Can we do more to give citizens the right of choice? Not only can we but we absolutely should.

            I will stop here as this is already getting long. But I think you get the idea.
            sob

        • how about THIS privatization
          A 2009 analysis of water and sewer utilities by Food and Water Watch found that private companies charge up to 80 percent more for water and 100 percent more for sewer services. A more recent study
          confirms that privatization will generally “increase the long-term
          costs borne by the public.” Privatization is “shortsighted,
          irresponsible and costly.”

          http://www.commondreams.org/views/2013/08/05/8-ways-privatization-has-failed-america

          • How about this reality . Those same Private Water companies, pay taxes ,higher fees to counties an states ,an are more heavily regulated. Then state county or local sewer an water company’s. Also there permitting process is substantial more stringently obtus..

          • the liberal post a link to back up his statements.
            the conservative Flaps it’s Gums.

            the difference between the 2 groups.

            FACTS versus HOT AIR

          • ” It would be truly nice if for once you were to include all available information relevent to the subject matter”

            sure FOOL.
            the liberal post a link to back up his statements.
            the conservative Flaps it’s Gums.

            the difference between the 2 groups.

            FACTS versus HOT AIR

            what I think is amusing idiot of the right,
            is that you are so LOW FUNCTIONING that you think you can post the above SHIT and not post a link to back it up.

            PROOF that you have the IQ of a radish.

          • Reality,
            You missed the part of my post about government oversight. We definitely need watch dogs just like we need watch dogs for government agencies. Oversight works in both directions. Oversight is not control, however.

          • so why give a private company the task and PAY THEM PROFIT when the gov agency can do the same thing for LESS? (medicare)

            make the oversight civilian/public.

          • Reality,
            I am about to get into this issue. The answer is that a private company can often cost less even with a profit, than government agencies, overblown with empire building.

          • well, Jerry, you are going to have to do some SEROUS explaining to make that one true.
            oh, and don’t forget your examples of where that has happened.
            cause apparently it happens “often”

            fairytales are not proof lets remember.

          • First off Medicaid doesn’t cost less The Burcrates pay the doctors an hospitals less then half the market value . WHILE the Buracrates suck up the Lions share. Further more Medicaid , Medicare an social security all have added to the unfunded national Debt of over 200 trillion Dollars. Now our nations Deficit exceeds 19 trillion dollars. There isn’t any one Federal program that is not in financial distress. Or on the verge of bankruptcy. Not a single one. Further more when one looks at the overall results of all government programs. Privatization always exceeds any goverment managed programs. Private on time under budget. Unless we are talking about Unions. Civil service over bloated over budget an never completed in the alotted contract time frames.

          • well I see the fool hasn’t learned how to post a LINK yet.

          • Actually: I refrain from posting links. Unlike progressive trolls . Who merly post links to progressive sources. Id rather let you guess as to what , my sources are. Had you had an ounce of integrity with in you . You would have already utilized those same sources. On the Contrary your more of a political propagandist. Then truth seeker.

          • ” Id rather let you guess as to what , my sources are.”

            more proof you are a moron.

          • What !Are you exspecting, that I should or even would consider. Providing links for you to
            ignore . As you have with others. Whom were generous enough to do so . While you ignored their links an refused to reply based upon those links. Well if Your waiting for this Man to comply with your needs . You’ll die waiting. Further more I trust in both my opinions an beliefs in that which I’ve state is sufficiently accurate enough . To know I’m correct.. And need not have to count uoon others for conformation, or approval. Unlike you, I’ve more then enough living sources . An have lived abroad long enough to put to rest . Your Bias partisan bullshit.
            We all know the very second you come into conflict . You resort to trolling the Lunatic left blogs. Then copy past those links . What you fail to understand is we all have your number. An the sum of that number is zero.

          • MORE moron of the right excuses.

            all add up to HOT AIR.

            you think Trump (or whoever) is going to get away with these “fuzzy facts”.
            they will be CONSUMED by the media.

            in the REAL WORLD one has has to PROVE the unsubstantiated shit they say.

          • Nice try. However; reality is not of the realm of which you reside. Therefore I need not substantiate . Any thing . All I’m reqiired to do is relay the facts as I know them to be. An not as you would wish them to be. Wake up The realm of reality is passing you by.

          • “All I’m reqiired to do is relay the facts as I know them to be”

            but YOU are a brainwashed fool of the right who CAN’T prove these things because they are LIES.

            THAT would be the issue.

          • “WHILE the Bureaucrats suck up the Lions share”

            I will ONCE AGAIN prove this con is just another idiot of the right.

            “However, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has found that administrative costs under the public Medicare plan are less than 2 percent of expenditures, compared with approximately 11 percent of spending by private plans under Medicare Advantage. This is a near perfect “apples to apples” comparison of administrative costs, because the public Medicare plan and Medicare Advantage plans are operating under similar rules and treating the same population.”

            http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/administrative-costs/?_r=0

            notice cons how the liberal continues to post LINKS while the conservative continues to FLAP it’s GUMS.

          • “Privatization always exceeds any goverment managed programs.”

            wow, ALL those EXAMPLES are just overwhelming.
            and ALL THOSE LINKS

            moron.

            “With privatization comes automatic rate increases. Chicago surrendered its parking meters for 75 years and almost immediately faced a doubling of parking rates. California’s experiments
            with roadway privatization resulted in cost overruns, public outrage,
            and a bankruptcy; equally disastrous was the state’s foray into electric power privatization. In Pennsylvania, an analysis of school busing by the Keystone Research Center concluded that “Contracting out substantially increases state spending on transportation services.”

          • another example for the fool.

            “It seems the whole world is leaving us behind on the Internet. According to the OECD, South Korea has Internet speeds up to 200 times faster than the average speed in the U.S., at about half the cost. Customers are charged about $30 a month
            in Hong Kong or Korea or parts of Europe for much faster service than
            in the U.S., while triple-play packages in other countries go for about half of our Comcast or AT&T charges.”

        • “all need to be optional to the public”

          so if you opt out of healthcare, then YOU should have a marking so we know NOT to save you when in an accident.

          as it stands now they will spend millions of dollars to keep you alive, and those of us WITH INSURANCE are paying for that.

          so you support freeloading now?

          • Reality,
            I do not support freeloading. I do support keeping it out of government.

          • so you DO support paying 20% HIGHER rates

            for NO GAIN?

            why is that?

          • Reality,

            Where did I say that? You are trying to put words in my keyboard. One of the main concerns I have with government is what I call empire building. That is creating a special interest within a program solely for support of an issue that already has as much protection as is needed or for the express purpose of expanding jurisdiction over people’s lives. The EPA is a classic example of that. Once that kind of crap gets into a government entity it ceases to be pragmatic and become much more difficult to control, especially if a government agency cannot be curtailed. Free enterprise can always be curtailed.

          • well it is common knowledge that private insurance companies have a 20% and UP overhead and that medicare has a 3-6% overhead.
            so for the same care, you get more for less with medicare.

            shall I link you to some proof?

            not too complicated or putting words in your key board.

            YOU did say that you preferred private.
            THAT is what you get with private.
            MORE money for the same care.

          • Reality,
            You still do not get it that government waste like the EPA offsets much of the profit issue. Let me clear up something else. Way back when, I said government’s job was oversight, not running industry. Unfortunately the EPA is a classic example of oversight running away with itself. That is my objection. But Congress is supposed to be the oversight of government agencies. Unfortunately that oversight does not come often enough.

          • “You still do not get it that government waste like the EPA offsets much of the profit issue.”

            the pentagon had MOST 8 TRILLION and I don’t see any one on the right calling for the end to that?

            and as for government waste I offer Medicare.
            which is PROVEN to work cheaper than private

          • Reality,
            You might have a point IF Medicare paid for everything but they do not. Supplemental insurance is necessary for some strange reason.

          • Medicare “overhead” is the issue. not the coverage.

            those “private” Medicare outfits have a proven record of a MUCH higher overhead.

            wanna see the link?

          • Reality,
            Coverage often affects profit. The last I checked, profit is a part of prosperity.

          • Medicare does not deal in profit.
            THAT is the problem with healthcare, PROFIT.
            profiting off of sick people would probably not sit well with Jesus.
            what do you think?

          • Reality,
            Perhaps the framers of the Constitution which formed our government should have created a totally socialistic governmental system. On the other hand, they did not for good reason.
            Jesus amplified His position on the ill in His parable of the Good Samaritan. I believe that is called a lesson in people helping people.

          • Jefferson did a free college. (so did Lincoln)
            AND

            Public roads, bridges, libraries, postal service and fire stations were
            programs designed by the founding fathers to benefit citizens and as
            these grew taxes were collected to pay for them making all citizens
            common owners of these public works.

            Democratic Socialism at work.

          • Reality,
            The last I heard, profit is a sought-after goal in our financial program. Coverage can and does contribute to profit.
            Government offsets the lack of “profit” by being far less efficient. I have seen that in local government programs to do me for a lifetime.

          • actually, money is the root of all evil, so…

            Medicare has a PROVEN track record for doing it’s job for WAY less that profit motivated insurance.

            “Government offsets the lack of “profit” by being far less efficient”
            LOVE to hear some examples of that.

          • Reality,
            You want an example. Medicare, Medicaid, welfare programs, to name a few.

          • It is well documented that Medicare runs more efficiently.
            very disingenuous.

          • Reality,
            Funny, I have never heard of money being the “root of all evil”. I think you best look that one up again. I believe it says the LOVE of money……………….

          • “money is the root of all evil”

            the Love is implied.

          • No the root of all evil is “Greed an lust.” Both words cover every situation.

          • The industry is bloated with deceit and depravity. Almost all of the big names have taken part. Goldman Sachs designed mortgage packages to lose money for everyone except Goldman. Countrywide and Wells Fargo targeted Blacks and Hispanics for unaffordable subprime loans. HSBC Bank laundered money for Mexican drug cartels. GE Capital skimmed billions of dollars from its customers. Dozens of hedge fund managers have been guilty of insider trading. Bank of America and JP Morgan Chase hid billions of dollars of bonuses and losses and loans from investors. Banks fixed interest rates in the LIBOR scandal. They illegally foreclosed on millions of homeowners in the robo-signing scandal.

            Matt Taibbi explained to us how financial malfeasance led to the bubbles in dot-com stocks and housing and oil prices and commodities that extract trillions of dollars away from society.

            This is all the result of free-market deregulated private business. The best-known public bank, on the other hand, is the Bank of North Dakota, which remains profitable while serving small business and the public at low cost relative to the financial industry.
            wow , private really SCREWS the American public.
            why do you support screwing the US citizens?

          • Reality,
            That is why we have government watchdogs. But someone then has to watch the watch dogs.
            Here is our difference as I see it. You live in a large urban areas where government is of vital importance because of crime from the small time criminal to the big ones. I would expect you to be more in favor of what you believe.
            But I am from a very rural state where large chunks of it are owned by either the federal government or the state government. I have to deal with the USFS, BLM, Ag Dept. and a state government that is way to the right.
            I often side with Dems here on urban issues because I have no representation from anyone but far right wing farmers who see no time for urban needs. There are five urban counties in the whole state out of 44 total that are all far right GOP counties. I get my fill of far right issues and government control issues at both the state and federal levels. Heir ignorance and arrogance is something I have dealt with for many years and it never gets any better.
            In spite of what you may think, I delete far more right wing emails than I answer. I address issues that come up at state levels but ignore the rest of the political garbage. I must admit I knowingly push your buttons occasionally just to get dialogue. I do care about what you have to say but we often do not agree. I am certainly not a fan of Sanders and I know you are. I see no way he can get his agenda through the House as long as it is controlled by the GOP and especially the Tea Party. He would have the same problems as Obama has had.

          • I have bad news for you.
            the Senate is going to flip Dem.

            the GOP are defending 24 seats, 8 in states Obama won TWICE.

            Dems are defending Ca and other Blue states.

            new polls out today have Bernie beating Hillary in several more states
            the WAVE is getting larger.
            time to hop on.

            Burn has the same positions as Trump
            (mostly)
            foreign policy
            HEALTHCARE
            TAXING THE RICH

            I think the only difference is Trump promises things that ARE impossible (Fence and deporting 11 million)
            i mean REALLY impossible.

            Bernie at least deals with his hair loss.
            Trump is in DENIAL.

          • Reality,

            Don’t hold your breath. The Senate may go the other way. Old timers may get the axe, depending on who runs against them.

          • you should stay away from Vegas if you like those odds

          • O sure You say you’ve experienced dealing with the BLM ,An The EPA. Which you claim is far right. Just who is the immediate, arbiter of both those federal goverment agencies. Why yes of course far lunatic left fringe. Damn you are a blooming idiot. As for the rats who dwell in urban areas. At their own choosing . I’ve watched over the past 50 Years as the rat sprawl has destroyed rural areas in the guise of improvement. Enlightenment improvement my ass. With the city rats came land fills . Lower water quality. Destruction of wildlife habit.violent crime . More self indulgent self centered greedy rats . More government intrusion. More goverment control ,far less individual liberty. Sure I see nothing with which the rats brought that has been to the benefit of mankind. With all the modern technology,so called modern advancements. I’ve witnessed the utter collapse of an other wise healthy interactive society. Where folks actually cared for one an other. No matter their political persuasions . An yes I do blame the rats. Now it is for you to think an decided what exactly the rats are of whom I’m speaking.

          • the fact of the matter IS.
            WE (the US) spend PER CAPITA, way more than all of the other industrialized countries.

            so we HAVE the funds, we just have a crappy system fraught with PROFIT.

            United Healthcare CEO get 60 million a year. AND they have a number of “officers” that earn a million..

            those bucks will go a long way in the single payer system.

          • Reality,
            The last time I checked, we stand for hard work and profit. Government is too inefficient for profit.

          • “The last time I checked, we stand for hard work and profit.”
            Oh really?
            lets hear where you saw THAT?
            was it in a hidden part of the Constitution?
            the Declaration?

          • Reality,
            It is in fact in the Constitution based on the system of government that we have. So, tell me why all the Mexicans seek to come here? Since I have two granddaughters who go to Mexico on missions to help the poor, I believe I have a good picture of why they want to come to the US.

          • “It is in fact in the Constitution based on the system of government that we have”

            SO expressing THAT PART was too difficult?
            or does not exist
            OR requires you to hold your tongue the right way and stand on one foot to see it?

          • There is no question as to why they come here.
            higher wages than at home.

            I do believe the principle of “profit” exists in Mexico.
            right Jerry?

          • “Government is too inefficient for profit.”
            the don’t NEED to profit on basic services, like power and water.
            the Constitution gives congress the power to look after our WELFARE.
            STOP PRETENDING I am talking about pure “socialism” Jerry.

          • Reality,
            You are sure making mouintain out of a mole hill. I stand VERY FIRMLY behind what I said about the inefficiency of governmental agencies. I have seen it for years. I have had to deal with it in transportation, welfare, health, education, wildlife management, land management, and water management. I could likely come up with more if I thought about it longer.

          • BUT, dealing with PRIVATE you think is going to be better and less expensive.

            is that your story?

            I gave you several example of how THAT IS FALSE.

            so far no example from Jerry on how privatization is so wonderful

          • A Citigroup economist gushed, “Water as an asset class will, in my view, become eventually the single most important physical-commodity based asset class, dwarfing oil, copper, agricultural commodities and precious metals.”

            A 2009 analysis of water and sewer utilities by Food and Water Watch found that private companies charge up to 80 percent more for water and 100 percent more for sewer services. A more recent study confirms that privatization will generally “increase the long-term costs borne by the public.” Privatization is “shortsighted, irresponsible and costly.”

            Numerous examples of water privatization abuses or failures have been documented in California, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, New Jersey, Texas, Massachusetts, Rhode Island — just about anywhere it’s been tried. Meanwhile, corporations have been making outrageous profits on a commodity that should be almost free. Nestle buys water for about 1/100 of a penny per gallon, and sells it back for ten dollars. Their bottled water is not much different from tap water.

            Worse yet, corporations profit from the very water they pollute. Dioxin-dumping Dow Chemicals is investing in water purification. Monsanto has been accused of privatizing its own pollution sites in order to sell filtered water back to the public.”

            so is THAT private doing better?

          • Reality,
            You forgot Detroit. Oh, pardon me. That was a government screw up.
            As I have said, the role of government is to oversee private enterprise (and themselves). Monsanto is one company I have been critical of for many years. I still am. I detest genetically modified foods, which Monsanto has created. Where has the FDA been on this issue? And here is one I dearly “love”. The flood plain areas through Boise are the same as they were back before the system of three dams that have existed for over half a century.
            In spite of the vast improvement of emissins stnadards in vehicles and vastly improved gas consumption, we still have emissions fees imposed by the EPA. Why is that? Inefficient government that has left us with no more corridors for major road improvements without a sever and frankly, a fatal lack of any corridors for improvement.

          • “You forgot Detroit.”

            where a GOP governor APPOINTED a MANAGER who CHANGED the water to the POISON stuff in order to get closer to PRIVATIZING.

            THAT Detroit?
            someone is going to jail over that one and it’s NOT the local politicians cause THEY WERE REMOVED BY THE GOVERNOR and replaced with a PRIVATE official who was UNELECTED.

          • Yes You have forgotten Detroit where in a Federal EPA officals was sole responsible for over site ,failed an was fired. Just like the emious river an the pollution of 3 states the killing an poisoning of wildlife an the water supply of a native American reservations water Supply . Yes that was The Obama andminstrations Federal EPA. Again just one more of thousands of Federal government failures under obama VA. HEATH CARE FAILURE Obama no care health care failure ,Red line failure, reset button failure, Libia policy failure ,Afghanistan policy failure, Iran Policy failure ,980 billion dollar shovel ready jobs bill Failure.. Quantonamo bay failure, releasing terrorist who returned to the battle field failure, IRAQ policy failure.. border security Failure , name one policy issue where there has been a successful out come. Not a single one.

          • ya, as usual, YOU ARE LYING.

            you are starting to sound DESPERATE.
            did you call Sarah Palin for some Word Salad tips?

            let’s see some links

            you are babbling so much I can’t even look them up to embarrass you.

          • Reality,
            Since I do not live there an could care less if Detroit sank in the lake, I do not know all the details. However, did the guy appointed by the governor know anything about this old system? Did any of the past employees tell him about the old system? What did anyone know about this old system? I think that you and I are wise enough to not reuse an abandoned system without checking it out first. But I have no idea who knew what.

          • “Inefficient government that has left us with no more corridors for major road improvements without a sever and frankly, a fatal lack of any corridors for improvement.”

            wel

          • Reality,
            I sorta botched this last part. I shall try again. The city/county has never created a corridor for a second freeway north of the river. It is now so built up that no corridor is possible without a huge expenditure just for right-of-way, let alone sufficient lanes

          • It seems the whole world is leaving us behind on the Internet. According to the OECD, South Korea has Internet speeds up to 200 times faster than the average speed in the U.S., at about half the cost. Customers are charged about $30 a month in Hong Kong or Korea or parts of Europe for much faster service than in the U.S., while triple-play packages in other countries go for about half of our Comcast or AT&T charges.

            Bloomberg notes that deregulators in the 1990s anticipated a market-based decline in phone and cable bills, an “invisible hand” that would steer competing companies to lower prices for all of us. Verizon and AT&T and Comcast and Time-Warner haven’t let it happen.
            so is THAT private doing better?

          • As Republicans continue to deride public transportation as ‘socialist’ and ‘Soviet-style,’ China surges ahead with a plan to create the world’s most advanced high-speed rail transport network. Government-run high-speed rail systems have been successful in numerous other countries, and England and Brazil both lament industry privatization.

            As a warning to wannabe Post Office privatizers, Greyhound and Trailways once provided service to remote locations in America, but deregulation intervened. The bus companies eliminated unprofitable routes, and cutbacks and salary decreases, all in the name of optimal profits, resulted in drivers working up to 100 hours a week — a fact to consider any time each of us ride the bus.

            With privatization comes automatic rate increases. Chicago surrendered its parking meters for 75 years and almost immediately faced a doubling of parking rates. California’s experiments with roadway privatization resulted in cost overruns, public outrage, and a bankruptcy; equally disastrous was the state’s foray into electric power privatization. In Pennsylvania, an analysis of school busing by the Keystone Research Center concluded that “Contracting out substantially increases state spending on transportation services.”
            so is THAT private doing better?

          • You get less from medicare. Much less. Medicare an medicaid, both programs require individuals to purchase supplement insurance other wise the individual’s go bankrupt starve or have no heat ,or electricity. They ate forced to choose Health or heat. Who are you trying to bullshit.. Now combined the cost of either medicaid,or medicare . With the additionally cost of supplement insurance. An both goverment programs now become 10-15 % more costly then an individual private insurance program. Either post an prior to Obama care.

          • By now I was hoping you had gotten smart enough to post a link.
            Especially since I prove you wrong all the time.

          • In your case even a stopped clock is correct twice aday. However on this subject you could be more wrong. I know you’ll post some off shoot liberal link, or an administration . Link. Like every other posted liberal link , nothing is what it seems. When one has facts. Life facts which you refuse to consider. For instance with in my neighborhood hood resides Two elderly couples. Both on social security. Both are retirees both with small pensions Both on Medicare. Part A an Part b. Supplement both pay am additional 169.00 per month that is 338.00 per month extra. Now considering their property taxes are 6800.00 per year . Home owner insurance. 129.00 per month electric 160.00 per month heat Now add phone food medication even with the prescription plan These folks often have to make choices. Pay the bills and do without food or prescriptions. Then we have a disabled neighbor. Now no Pention, no other soure of income social security disability ,Medicaid pays shit once a year our neighbors pool money together to pay for her supplement Health coverage. Life experiences Talk more then any bullshit the government or you put out. My friend you’ve been greatly decieved. Here’s another fact. The medicaid an medI care programs yoy think so highly of . Will not pay for certain procedures or treatments infact many are not aproved. So stop blowing yourself.

          • so they really need is universal health care, by the sound of it.
            THAT would not be happening in Canada or Denmark, I can tell you that.
            secondly.
            without Medicare and ONLY private insurance companies, are you telling me they would be BETTER?
            that’s some crazy math you got going there.
            their basic A coverage would be astronomical based on their age, right?
            that disability person would be in even more trouble, wouldn’t they?
            you ACT like there IS some other, better option.
            you think the $5000 health saving account to buy private is the better GOP plan?
            you seem to be big on telling me what is WRONG but have no solution that I hear.

          • You mean so they can be in exactly the very same position they are in now. Having to purchase supplement insurance. Dam you my friend are still very much in lala dream world. Go ahead post Another link. Form those nations which post a picture of a rosy out look. Utilizing false, misleading information . So as to make their nations more attractive to corporate Ceo’s and their populace. Damn as intelligent as you act an sound at times ,is as niave an ignorant as reality truly is. How quickly you forget . Your information comes from truly unreliable sources . My information comes directly from the people my distant relatives who work an live all throughout Europe. .

          • Forbes is a liberal source now?

          • “My information comes directly from the people my distant relatives who work an

          • so you want to make the EPA a private business?
            can you spell “love canal”?

          • Reality,
            I didn’t think about that. I’m thunk it was luv canal. Actually I would like to make the EPA no business, as in extinct.

          • so you can’t spell Love Canal.

            corporations have proven they cannot be trusted.
            the EPA is why we can breath

          • Reality,
            I mischpelled Luv on poipose.
            What makes you think government can be rusted?
            I totally dislike the EPA as an agency due to its propensity to go off on tangents beyond the scope of their initial responsibility which was clean air and water. They have chased the concept of stopping cattle from belching to reduce air pollution.
            That is a joke here because cows have been belching for centuries.
            Meanwhile, feed lot owners are using cattle waste to produce methane gas for generating electricity. They do not produce much but it all helps.
            By the way, I see the democratic think tanks do not see how Bernie will carry out his threat of taxing the wealthy to feed his projected federal programs. Since the GOP House controls the purse strings, I do not see him being able to accomplish his mission. I do not see Wall Street worrying much about his program.

          • man, you have been hitting the right wing blogs to hard Jerry.
            full of talking point that didn’t have a shred of reality to them.

            “They have chased the concept of stopping cattle from belching to reduce air pollution.”

            LOVE to see you prove that one.
            (that better be a joke Jerry)

          • Reality,
            Remember, I live here. I well remember the issue in the Statesman newspaper. This was some years back before far right articles were around very much. So, no, I did not find it in any far right article. It was a mainstream article in the local news. That was when the article on what the feed lot people were doing with the cow poop.

          • Reality,
            A recent article did appear in the local news about the dairy industry also getting involved with the use of cow poop to generate electricity. That is after the article by several ears on the feed lot article. We have some huge dairies in the local area.

          • Poop yes,
            it is being burned like they did in the old days.

            the burps and farts was what i was referring to.

          • Reality,
            The belching cows was the issue. It finally went away.

          • “I totally dislike the EPA”

            Well Jerry, I am aware that the EPA can be heavy handed, but you should be aware that corporations are even LESS trustable, proven by the thousand waste dumps we are cleaning up.

            How many salmonella events did we have last year?

            the peanut guy got 28 years for salmonella poisoning.

            you think that would have happened without the EPA?

            http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/20/us/peanut-butter-salmonella-trial/

          • Reality,
            What does the EPA have to do with salmonella in peanuts? That seems to be an FDA responsibility. Which is precisely my point on the overreach of the EPA.

          • I think it was the FDA.

            you conservatives want to shut down so many agencies, I get confused.

          • Reality,
            You misunderstand. The FDA should have been the agency to deal with food products, not the EPA.

          • IT WAS.
            I was mislabeling.

          • there are still 1300 sites still being cleaned up after corporations screwed up.

            and you want to trust them.

          • Reality,
            There is one in Idaho in which the EPA has thrown up its hands on cleanup and given up. But the cleanup is the result of sloppy mining practices done before the dangers of smelters was known., or so it has been said. But vegetation dying off completely over 50 years should have been a clue. I am referring to the Coeur d’Alene River/ lake cleanup in recent years.
            I can remember very well, drinking out of streams in the wilderness areas. Thanks to he ineptness of the EPA, the water is no longer drinkable without a special filter. That was supposedly an initial fixit for the EPA but it has only gotten worse.

          • “Thanks to he ineptness of the EPA, the water is no longer drinkable without a special filter.”

            how did the EPA do that?

          • Reality,
            Simple. Foul air and crap in the water. Who did that? Miners, the USFS especially and loggers. Human waste in streams are also contributors. So are sheep and cattle herds allowed by the USFS. But apparently that does not bother the EPA.

          • wow.
            so disingenuous Jerry.

          • Reality,
            Idaho has had numerous environmental screw-ups by mining for the last 150 years. Some were due to the lack of knowledge and some were deliberate. But the state has been at work along with volunteers to repair the losses.

          • apparently it is SOP for mining companies to TAKE the minerals and LEAVE the waste for YOU and ME to pay for clean up.

            completely legal as well

          • Reality,
            Old mine dumps and placer piles and even dredge piles are waste sites. But what can you do about them? Many here are now overgrown. They are no threat to the public. But the air waste from the smelter was quite toxic. No one figured that out until all the trees and even grass disappeared. Toxic waste went down the river also and into the lake. It is still in the lake. The EPA said no one in the town was concerned so they quit on their project. BAD idea.
            Many of the environmental tragedies were simply not known to be an issue until they were long deposited in the water. One toxic waste here was chemicals such as cianide used in the mining process. another was the erosion cause by logging operations. Unfortunately it is still being done, which irritates me to the max.

          • A Free people ,a free market economy. Is all about self correction, competition brings about the self correcting factor. Open markets where individuals may purchase where ever what ever they need or desire brings about fair pricing. Fact is . We have not had a free market the vast majority of state mostly in liberal controled states have closed of over state line purchases of health care. But you left lunatic trolls continue to ignore those facts. Take for instance New Jersey . We residents have never had the option to purchase our health insurance for outside sources. Yes I shall are both establishments parties closed that option off to us. However we were not the only state infact the vast majority of states . Through the guidence an suggestions of the Insurance companies who basic wrote those laws in to the legislation.

          • wow , you recited that right Wing Talking Point real nice.
            though I think it has an element of “trickle down” that you left out.

            now prove some of that SHIT.
            AS IN, “free markets” will solve everything.

            never worked where tried.

            Does the LOW INFO con know WHY the don’t sell across state lines?

            look it up on the “right wing search engine” you pretend exists

          • Yes I know why it hasn’t become law across state lines . ( Greed, power hungry scumbags , control,an those voters who suffer from mental illness like yourself .

          • You mean like the sign 666 which may not be visible to You . But us Enlightened ones see it on your forehead quite clearly.

          • I was thinking an L for “Loser”

            anyone without health coverage is a loser.

          • So now your calling the 19 million folks who had payed for their private health care plains losers because they cannot afford Obama no care premium s an deductibles. Losers. When in all actuality they like I were paying for the low life scumbags such as your self. Before being screwed out of their coverage. By the way loser
            Your right my family an I will never pay a single premium to a socialist government control heath scam system . You have heard if Meda share. A Christian based health care system. Yes Christian based
            We care for our own.

          • Funny how you religious nuts think you are “enlig

  6. The gov’t is bloated now; imagine an out and out Communist in the Oval Office telling us how to live our lives ( or else ).

  7. I fear that either of these people would push the US into a vilolent revolution with the policies they want to impose on decent, hard-working Americans. They seem to want to pit Americans against other americans, illegals, terriorists, etc. People are fedup and at the boiling point. The US is past bankrupe but does not acknowledge it.

  8. Unfortunately, the answer in not more or a bigger government, but a smaller government. It was never governments job to provide for societal issues. Up until the progressive movement, people generally took care of their own or charitable organizations were involved. Today, we face the same problems of the poor being shoved to the sidelines, even with the massive amount of spending and “agencies” being increased. Are the poor better taken care of by big brother?
    Has our educational system bettered itself with big government involvement? No. Today we are allowing students to progress thru grades based not on knowledge, but a sense of protecting their physics.
    Our infrastructure is in a mess, yet government takes our tax dollars and no improvements are made.
    The Constitution outlines the duties and responsibilities that government is to provide. It is time that our “elected politicians” revert to the original guidelines of their authority and NOT increase an already overburdened government that continues to operate incompetently.

    • ” Up until the progressive movement, people generally took care of their own”

      up until the NEW DEAL seniors STARVED TO DEATH.
      just another day in America.

      • How sad it is to experience, such unintelligent nonsense. There are more folks percentage wise starving in America to day. Then there had ever been prior to the new socialist deal. An That’s a fact. Which seems to excape the attention of the average idiot..

        • I will once again PROVE this con is a IDIOT.

          “”If you measure poverty properly, which is only now being done, you find that the poverty rate has fallen pretty dramatically since the middle of the nineteen-sixties. Indeed, according to an important new study by a group of economists at Columbia University, it has dropped by forty per cent. The main driver of this fall, in fact, has been the very type of anti-poverty programs that L.B.J. championed: food stamps and housing subsidies, Social Security and Medicare, and generous income subsidies, in the form of tax credits, for the low-paid.”

          http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/how-the-war-on-poverty-succeeded-in-four-charts

          MAYBE you can link me to something to prove you are not just a LYING POS

          • An once aga in you have to resort to a far left progressive study to make your point. Here’s some facts the Columbia University study left out..levels of poverty Either 340%220% or 110 %percent below poverty line in the us.. presently there are over 4.6 million in the US whom are below the 340% poverty level 23.5 million at or near the 220% below poverty level there are nearly 30 million at or below the 110 % below poverty level. This study doesn’t inclue those right of the poverty margins.
            These margins are presently incalculable. As each passing week fewer Americans find employment. Far fewer have unemployment benefits remaining to fall back on..,over 97 million less folks on the employment rolls . But then again . Progressives an socialist never count those they have abandoned. (Right Mr non reality )

          • wow, you are a lame one.

            The liberal posts links.

            the cons Flaps it’s Gums.

            the difference between the two groups.

            Facts versus Hot AIR.

          • “,over 97 million less folks on the employment rolls”

            you are just a DRONE repeating the same shit, over and over.
            the actually number was 94 million. i guess you are updating for inflation.

            ok silly con,
            lets do some math.

            “There are 94 (97 for you) million Americans now out of the workforce”

            The total U.S. population age 16 and over is at least 243 million.

            Subtracting the nearly 156 million Americans in the labor force in June 2013 — that is, those who were either working or looking for work —

            leaves 90 million Americans

            However, the 90 million number is padded, since this number includes a lot of Americans who wouldn’t be expected to be working. Specifically:

            • People age 16 to 17, who likely are in high school: 9 million

            • People who are enrolled in either two- or four-year colleges: 21 million

            • People age 65 and older, who have reached retirement age: 40 million people

            That means 20 million people are of normal working age, not in
            college and not working.

            That’s less than one-quarter the amount

            So the 90 million number is A LIE.

            you can add and subtract, right?

    • “Our infrastructure is in a mess, yet government takes our tax dollars and no improvements are made.”

      Yet the GOP block attempts to fix the infrastructure, lest it make Obama look good.

      “$478B Infrastructure Bill Blocked by Senate GOP”
      http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/03/25/478B-Infrastructure-Bill-Blocked-Senate-GOP

      “Senate GOP Blocks Obama’s $60 Billion Infrastructure Plan”

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/03/senate-to-block-competing-infrastructure-plans.html

      you should be blaming the GOP not Obama.

      • Hey idiot What ever happened to the 998 billion dollar expenditure budgited for all those shovel ready jobs. . Yea it was passed by a fillabuster proof demo rat majority in both houses in Obama’s first term. No jobs, no Roads repaired, no bridges built or repaired ,an no money. It all disappeared under demo rats. What no answer ; no reply smuck.

        • “No jobs, no Roads repaired, no bridges built or repaired ,an no money”

          YOU are an idiot.

          first of all the over 300 BILLION of that was just tax cuts, so that PROVES you are a IDIOT.
          secondly there were hundreds of roads and infrastructure jobs.

          this will prove you are an FOOL

          https://www.cbo.gov/publication/21671?index=11706

          the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released a report
          in August that said the stimulus bill has “lowered the unemployment
          rate by between 0.7 percentage points and 1.8 percentage points” and
          “increased the number of people employed by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million.”

          Simply put, more people would be unemployed if not for the stimulus
          bill. The exact number of jobs created and saved is difficult to
          estimate, but nonpartisan economists say there’s no doubt that the
          number is positive.”

          so other than your FLAPPING GUMS what proof have you offered?

  9. I do not know how large that MARXIST COMMUNIST Bernie would push the Spending Levels and the Deficit To….but I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT BERNIE COULD PRINT ENOUGH USELESS “FIAT PAPER” FAST ENOUGH TO ATTEMPT TO COVER THE “FREE EVERYTHING” FROM BIRTH TO DEATH FOR EVERY CITIZEN….AS HE WANTS TO DO….The reason Bernie will have to do this as his ONLY OPTION….Because their will not longer be ANY Private Sector Jobs….so their will be NO TAX REVENUES….

    Spending Limits for MARXIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST D****RATS….DO NOT EXIST…

  10. 100% employment. Everyone would be employed by the Federal Government. Problem is, no one would be paid because there would be no one would be employed in the private sector, the ones who pay for all this crap. I guess Bernie would have to borrow it from China.

    • Sadly for you , Bernie is not talking about everyone being employed by the government.

      the word 100% employment also did not cross his lips.

      you are sadly informed.
      stop making up poo.

      Healthcare.
      we ALREADY spend more per capita for healthcare than ALL of the EU countries,
      meaning universal healthcare is already paid for.

      Jobs are not coming back until we change our trade deals, and we add tariffs (as Trump proposed as well as Bernie)

      Free PUBLIC college is paid for by a tax on wall street speculation trades.

      rich people are going to pay taxes like they did in Reagan years.

      • Actually my comment was sarcasm. I take it yours is too?

      • Sadly The ignorant an intolerant, can nont Over Come THIS Simple Truth . Universal health care in those European nation,which the indoctrinated seem so fond of aspousing . Fail to include in their diatribes. How utterly useless beyond normal exams an or minor illnesses. Universal Health care is. Here are the facts. For those European citizens whom are financially able they purchase private Health care. Or Come to the US. Same with Mexico an Canada. So to those whom make claims of how Great health care is in other nations. ( YOUR ALL FULL OF CRAP. ) THIS ISN’T SOME UNEDUCATED FOOL SPOUTING OF . This is coming from one whom presently is in continuous communication with extended family members . Who live an work through out Europe. Italy ,Germany ,France , Ireland, Scotland ,Austria. It is the same everywhere. Yes they have So called Universal coverage. If you consider waiting for weeks months even at times a year for critical care.. Then you truly are idiots.

        • wow all that bloviating an not ONE LINK.

          well fool, I HAVE relatives in Canada, Germany and Denmark and from them I know YOU ARE LYING.

          my uncle was injured in a construction accident.
          he was 55.
          after 6 months in the hospital they RETIRED HIM and PAID OFF his TWO houses so he would have NO BILLS and then gave him a 250K “payment” to get him on his way.

          ya, sound pretty dreadful moron.

          NO ONE waits for critical care.

        • I will now DEMONSTRATE how to prove the con is a MORON.

          “What American Healthcare Can Learn From Germany”

          Last fall, Sam, an American woman who lives in Berlin, began to
          experience stomach pain while eating and drinking. She visited her
          general practitioner, who wrote her a prescription.

          The problem hadn’t gone away several days later, so the doctor referred her to a specialist for a gastroscopy. Her issue wasn’t deemed an emergency, though, so she had to wait about two weeks for an appointment.

          “But man, was I impressed with the exam itself!” she later told me in an email. “Went to the hospital, filled out a few papers, was knocked out for a bit while they looked in my stomach, and was home again a few hours later. Everything was very efficient.”

          The best part: Sam paid exactly nothing for the experience.”

          http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/04/what-american-healthcare-can-learn-from-germany/360133/

        • how about THIS fool of the right wing?

          “Most Patients Happy With German Health Care”

          Mention European health care to an American, and it probably conjures up a negative stereotype — high taxes, long waiting lines, rationed care.

          It’s not that way in Germany. Very little tax money goes
          into the system. The lion’s share comes, as in America, from premiums paid by workers and employers to insurance companies.

          German health benefits are very generous. And there’s usually little or no wait to get elective surgery or diagnostic tests, such as MRIs. It’s one of the world’s best health care systems, visible in little ways that most Germans take for granted.

          Checking In With An Old Friend

          Juergen in der Schmitten was a medical student when I first met him 17 years ago. Now, he’s a 42-year-old general practitioner in a suburb of Dusseldorf.

          On one particular night, Juergen was the doctor on
          call for the region. Any German who needs after-hours care can call a central number and get connected to a doctor.

          Around 11 p.m., a woman with a fever called Juergen. She wanted him to make a house call. They talked for maybe five minutes, in the end agreeing that she would come into his office in the morning.

          A situation like this would be unlikely in the United States. Americans might not get through to a doctor at all, let alone have a discussion about whether the physician should make a house call in the middle of the night to treat a case of flu.”

          http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91971406

          SOUNDS SO EVIL, right fool?

          • How about this Idiot lunatic of the far radical left fringe. First an for most . The story with which youve promulgated of German health care system . Is just as I had described for those whom could afford addition health insurance. Nice try though. But the devil is in the details.
            Second point. Up an until 2014 When my beautiful bride of 37 years Company provided Health insurance was deemed inadequate. By the scum left lunatic her platinum health insurance acted as Health care coverage had during the 1950,60, 70,80 ,an 90, , one call away at any time night or day holiday or not. And you would have a GP. Or specialist on call waiting for you. Then came Obama no care. Like The health care industry in ALL OF Europe now us Health care sucks. We Payed for a family of $ 468.00 per month our Co pay was $20.00 per visit. Our annual deductibles was $234.00 per person annually. Our life maximum benfit was $36,000.000.00 yes that is Thirty six million per persons life time ..it included pre exsiting conditions. 24x7x365 days per year.. not any more thanks to scumbag dead beats like you . Who want for others to pay for there non contributing ass’s .. For the exact same coverage. It would cost us 3,000.00 per month plus $10,000.00 per year per person deductible. So we said F you an F Obama . We put our money wisely into Christian care. ALmost exactly like we had before..only this time not a single dime of our money goes supplementing, dead beats. Yes our family plan is a bit more expensive but not half of what a single payer or Obama no care cost..

          • so what was the point of that sad story?
            we are discussing health care in Northern EU countries and Canada.

            My mom had to wait a whole two days for a stint in her heart (Canada)
            Oh and then there was the time she injured her leg (bad).
            a month in the hospital and 4 months of therapy including a person who came by daily to her house for the first month home.

            such evil health care.

        • Sounds like the government run V.A.

  11. SO Trump supports Universal healthcare and I don’t hear the right whining about the size of government or the COST.

    Why is that?

  12. I think Sanders andbhillary are both certifiably NUTS!!!!

    • Both belong in strait-jackets and on a Funny Farm with high fences.
      Hitlery had a brain injury fall & is suffering from severe menopause dysfunction…..what is Bernie’s excuse?

  13. SANDERS HAS BEEN IN THE GOVERNMENT FOR 35 YEARS AND STILL HE CALLS HIMSELF AN OUTSIDER? SANDERS IS JUST ANOTHER BIG MOUTH LIBERAL HELL BENT ON DESTROYING AMERICA. OSAMA-OBAMA IS DOING HIS BEST IN THE 7 YEARS HE’S BEEN IN OFFICE…BUT…SANDERS WOULD BE THE ROAD RUNNER, HE’D COMPLETE OSAMA’S JOB IN LESS THAN A YEAR. EVERY ONE CRIES ABOUT JOBS HEADING SOUTH AND OVER SEAS UNDER OSAMA, UNDER SANDERS THE COUNTRY WOULD BECOME A LAND OF DIRT FARMERS TO FILL THE GOVERNMENT STOCK PILES. FOR A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THAT WOULD BE LIKE SEE CHINA,N. KOREA,CUBA,S.AMERICA.

    • “OBAMA IS DOING HIS BEST IN THE 7 YEARS HE’S BEEN IN OFFICE”

      another MORON of the Right wing needs an education.

      lets examine reality, shall we fool?

      Before Obama, we were losing 500,000 jobs per month
      After Obama, gaining 200,000 jobs per month

      Before Obama, GDP negative for a year
      After Obama, GDP became positive and now the best in the G-20

      Before Obama, DOW 6500
      After Obama, DOW 16,000

      so explain to me, low info con, how THAT adds up to Obama destroying the country?

      • wants to take away 2nd amendment, open borders flooding the U.S. with illegals over whelming our hospitals,schools and economic environment. allowing un vetted Syrians, Iraqis, Iranians from known terrorist strongholds. releasing Gitmo detainees that reenter the terrorist war machine. increasing the width and breath of the entitlement programs. taxing corporations to the point they leave the U.S. for a more corporate friendly environment. allowing the E.P.A. free reign to shut down coal fired facilities and coal mining operations…that have the Fed required scrubbing and filter requirements imposed.. which has put thousands out of work. Preventing employing U.S. natural resources…and whining about the costs of foreign oil and gas.. The first sitting U.S. president to BOW DOWN before a foreign dictator. proclaiming that his administration would be the most transparent..it is not. The first American president in more than 60 years to NOT have the W.H. national day of prayer, BUT, hold a million muslim celebration of the muslim religious holiday. He is the most racist president ever.. rather than trying to bridge the racial gap he actively widens it with his comments and actions. Low info con…I doubt it. I don’t see him as the god you apparently do. This is done .

        • wants to take away 2nd amendment, BIG LIE

          open borders flooding the U.S. with
          illegals over whelming our hospitals,schools and economic environment. BIG LIE

          allowing un vetted Syrians, Iraqis, Iranians from known terrorist
          strongholds. BIG LIE

          releasing Gitmo detainees that reenter the terrorist war
          machine. increasing the width and breath of the entitlement programs. BIG LIE

          taxing corporations to the point they leave the U.S. for a more
          corporate friendly environment. BIG LIE

          is that WHY some corporations paid no taxes last year? our high tax rates?

          allowing the E.P.A. free reign to shut
          down coal fired facilities and coal mining operations. BIG LIE

          that have the
          Fed required scrubbing and filter requirements imposed.
          BIG LIE

          so is your whole life a LIE?

          you will find that you can’t prove any of this foolish crap only the mentally challenged would believe.

          • Sheesh – you got a terminal case of brain dead ! Hope it proves fatal before the next election !

          • My Friend You are a lost caused ,Having drowned in the lies of the left.
            Certainly Obama isn’t foolish enough to attempt to eradicated the 2nd amendment in one huge bit. He shall try incrementally . A little at at time
            You have to admit he has appointed left wing enviromentlist To the EPA. That same EPA that polluted 3 states an The Emouse river. That same EPA that has written regulations so costly to any energy producing company that those in the coal industry where to be put out of Bussiness. Mind you the US Supreme court just smacked their ass’s down . Now your also denying that the demo-rats an Obama had not increased corperate taxes.,regulations which has lead to company’s like Ford to move the plants to mexico.. companies like Bowing to move their production plants over seas . That lead to GE to move it’s national headquarters over seas . O yes you are the blind lieing fool. I won’t however put the entire blame on the demo-rats alone . But add to those who are responsible those Unions who have bilked billions out of the tax payers an those corporations with which they were contracted with.. it’s time for a complete house cleaning . And that is exactly why there are as we speak 21 states thus far who have added right to work statues to their books. And those numbers shall grow even larger in the near future.

          • do prove ANYTHING, ever?

          • “Obama trying to destroy gun laws and cause infringement rights over gun owners,”

            “Despite the perception that Mr. Obama is anti-gun rights (gun shop owners say fear of his policies drives strong gun sales), he has repeatedly reaffirmed the right to bear arms. Indeed, the only gun-control laws he has signed as president have been to expand gun rights – allowing guns on national park lands and Amtrak trains.”

            http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-vs-romney-gun-control-2012-9

            delusional human

            you fools just lie to yourselves non stop.

            the fact that you CAN’T prove shit, does not seem to bother the low functioning conservative.

          • I remember when they passed NAFTA back in the eary 90’s saying that free trade would help the economy. Maybe it has, but a lot of jobs left the country. Factory and manufacturling jobs. I remember when they used to make bullet-proof vests in Y

          • AND as the sucking noise of the jobs leaving the country, the POWERS that BE who had control of BOTH Houses of congress did nothing except make the move to China Deductable instead of trying to curb it.
            sure there are bought Dems, but the GOP voted 99% FOR the TPP
            only 25% of the Dems voted for TPP.

          • Hey Moron ! Your boy Bernie Sanders is saying the exact samething! Jobs leaving the nation . Cruz , Trump all saying same thing.. Damn you still don’t Get it. What you refuse to grasp is Your Reality isn’t anyone elses.. Fantasy world is dream world. Real life is going out among the people . Walking the city ,town streets from state to state an witnessing the empty ware houses the abandoned factories. Stores front signs which now say for rent or for sale. Looking on the Internet at the help wanted adds near empty space. Ecept for some specifics but few technical full time jobs. Or mostly part time seasonal jobs. Reading local flyers which us to be full of help wanted adds . Yea moron . Economy is dieing an quite near death. But then again noncontributing losers aren’t looking for jobs they like you wait for the mail man an tax payer checks. Well hint that will all soon end.

          • was that you proving something or just the usual bloviating shit from the moron?

          • any smart business person would make sure they don’t have that kind of profit to pay 35% on.
            a better accountant would have helped.

            I am sure you never took advantage of “company expense”
            that car you drove?

            let’s remember that corps like Xerox pay little to no tax some years

            my corp tax rate never went over 25% (10 years) and I made sure to reinvest or pay out to myself

          • That was after I consulted a very experienced accountant and she helped me find every deductible I could. It took us both a month to do my income taxes…Fortunately, I only had to pay $1500 in taxes. However, I had to put it on a credit card. The system is so complicated and complex I wish someone could simplify it. Its ridiculous. I’m glad to see the card is paid off now and neither one of us works for ourselves any more. I’m taking care of my parents and my husband works for someone else…

          • “No wonder capitalism in America is on life support…”

            nothing like a total exagera

          • Correction 97 million unemployed . 1 in 14 purchased a car last year is a record. Hardly prior to 2008 average car purchases was 1 in 10 not including leases. Ur 1 in 14 includes leases. Just like the unemployment statistics U an obummer losers aspouse 5% is an absolute lie . What U an all the obummer supporters fail to state is that only 5% of those whom are unemployed have unemployment benefits remaining .

          • “There are 94 million Americans
            now out of the workforce”

            The total U.S. population age 16 and
            over is at least 243 million.

            Subtracting the nearly 156 million
            Americans in the labor force in June

            2013 — that is, those who were either
            working or looking for work —

            leaves 87 million Americans, which is
            close to 90 million.

            However, the 90 million number is
            padded, since this number includes a

            lot of Americans who wouldn’t be
            expected to be working. Specifically:

            • People age 16 to 17,
            who likely are in high school: 9 million

            • People who are enrolled in either
            two- or four-year colleges: 21 million

            • People age 65 and older, who have
            reached retirement age: 40 million people

            That means 20 million people are of
            normal working age, not in

            college and not working.

            That’s less than
            one-quarter the amount

            So the 90 million number is A
            LIE.

        • Great litany, pop.

      • Those numbers are as phony as Obutthole’s birth certificate dip !

        • only to the moron right.
          2 seconds and a search engine prove every friggin word.

          you wouldn’t want to shatter your fantasy world.

          Then I wonder why cons always pretend that they are after the truth and then ignore IT?

          • 2 seconds on a progressive search engine is not proof. I’ve noticed You’ve never been prone to using non bias sources. Why is that. No need to answer we all know. That answer is simply, because non bias sources do not promulgate your lies .

          • so tell me moron of the right wing, what is a “right wing search engine”

            the “Liberal media” bull poo again.

            I notice the fool did not respond to this last time.

            A tired talking point they tell you shallow conservatives so you believe the crap told to you by Fox news.

            somehow you cons are gullible enough to think that the “Liberal
            media” including the media from 195 other countries,
            is colluding together to shape American politics in favor of the
            “liberals” .

            ya, that makes plenty of sense to people desperate to believe.
            all you have to do is suspend all logic and common sense.

            The SAME media that the GOP candidates flock to.
            the SAME media that tear the Pres a new asshole every week.

            the SAME liberal media that the
            GOP candidates quote on national
            television.

            so either the GOP are lying to the American people on a daily basis,
            or “Liberal media” is the BIG LIE.

            you choose.

  14. Don’t you find it ironic that every single problem Sanders cites as being wrong with our government are the direct result of government programs, namely, the war on poverty! Isn’t it about time we declare that war over, admit that we lost, and force people to take care of themselves since 60 years of government programs hasn’t helped and has only made things worse!

    • silly con the war on poverty is far better that it was BEFORE.
      you must be an ill informed conservative.

      “If you measure poverty properly, which is only now being done, you find
      that the poverty rate has fallen pretty dramatically since the middle of
      the nineteen-sixties. Indeed, according to an important new study
      by a group of economists at Columbia University, it has dropped by
      forty per cent. The main driver of this fall, in fact, has been the very
      type of anti-poverty programs that L.B.J. championed: food stamps and
      housing subsidies, Social Security and Medicare, and generous income
      subsidies, in the form of tax credits, for the low-paid.”

      http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/how-the-war-on-poverty-succeeded-in-four-charts

      MAYBE you can link me to something to prove you are not just a PARROT of some GOP candidate, who seems to BE LYING.

  15. Business an wealth will leave this country so fast they won`t have time to turn out their lights.What`s to keep them here, giving all their money to the government.These people did`t make their money by being stupid. It happened in France when they decided to tax their wealthy by some large amount. Their are a lot of country`s in this world would open their arm`s to except our wealth Is this the end of Wall Street, if so good by America an it`s dreams

    • is that why RICH people still live in Northern EU?

      is that why when tax rates were 80% here in the US, the RICH still lived here in the US?

      • Well let’s take a step back . To 10 years ago . Look to the development of both Poland an Ireland. Both nation had at that time the lowest tax rates across the board. Both those nation where in a rapid state of development. Then low an behold . The Irish anD the Polish decided to change governance. Selecting socialist leaning progressive. They then joined the EU..an what happen then of course higher taxes . Corporations Stopped building an begun leaving . Higher taxes kill jobs . More stringent regulations kill jobs ,higher minumum wages kill jobs
        Higher fees kill job’s. Progressivism, socialism, communism kills jobs. Ignorant uneducated voters kill nations.

        • MORE FLAPPING GUMS?

          you DO KNOW how to post a link, right fool?

          not to mention idiot, WE WERE talking about tax rates in Northern EU and America in the 70’s..

      • Is that why we bitch about wealthy people hiding money in oversea accounts is that what happen to major business leaving for off shore manufacturing Let`s tax our self`s in to prosperity I can`t wait to get my hands on some of these rich people`s money I think I`ll buy me a Porsche Hell if school`s free I might sign up for Harvard Christmas is coming I`am going to finally make it to the top I`ll finally get to play Augusta National

        • “Is that why we bitch about wealthy people hiding money in oversea
          accounts is that what happen to major business leaving for off shore
          manufacturing”

          well. THAT is only after ronny reagan destroyed the economy, so…

          IF you were in any way informed, you would know that the rich COULDN’T do that until Ronny made it possible.

          the corps couldn’t do it either until the GOP made it legal.

        • “Hell if school`s free I might sign up for Harvard

          more proof you are NOT well informed.

          Bernie is talking PUBLIC colleges AND you have to have the GRADES.

          do I need to explain further or you bright enough to grasp the rest?

          • Can I still get my Porsche an play Augusta?

          • so I need to explain further.

            NO, silly con, those are not part of Bernie’s plan.

            But once you get your GED you can go back to school and make something of yourself

          • I don`t want to be on the giving end of his plan I want to be on the receiving end I demand my free shit like the rest of the liberal ass holes who set on their ass an draw a check every month

          • “I demand my free shit like the rest of the liberal ass holes who set on their ass an draw a check every month”

            well since THAT is a Talking Point that the low info right tell each other.

            I have NEVER even met a person on assistance let alone be one, moron of the right wing PROPAGANDA.

            I wonder why most people on assistance are white and live in the south?

          • An yet just yesterday you were trying to claim poverty in the US is at an all time low. My O my How you get caught up in your own bullshit. Like I’ve stayed before . You my friend are nothing more then an Ignorant far left progressive troll. Now lets take a closer look at the facts you have stated that it is the poor whites of the south whom utilize assistance. Well here’s some facts with which Youve set aside . For no other reason but for deception purposes. Fact is blacks in the south whom live in poverty out weigh the numbers of blacks in the north. Goverment statistics. State that . Black America is percentage wise unemployed at a rate of 78 % white America 21 % Latino Americans 33% Asian Americans 17 % . An the majority of un employed or under employed blacks reside in the south. With an over all population of 13-17% Their unemployment numbers statistical imply that they are the larger group on assistance programs . These statistics provided by The Obama administration.

          • nice link.

          • Isn’t it a bitch when you continuously get caught up in your own bullshit.

          • your lies have no effect.

            links might.

          • Links links links. Here’s the link I’ll offer up. Socialist communist, progressives what do they all have in common. Answer their all loser. See how nicely I linked them all together.

          • Keep talking am I`am beginning to think that you honestly believe what`s your saying damn 67 years old an people warned me that some day I would run in to an intellectual fool like you.Think God that me and many of my family members fought for this country so stupidly has a right spread it`s worthless shit around this great country. It`s a shame that people like you can`t live an make decisions without the government being involved GO Trump

          • what part of,
            “The Government is NOT a part of my life”
            was too hard for the conservative to understand?

            this “theory” about the left all being on welfare, is just part of your brainwashing.

            your THINKING THAT is why you cons saying we are all trying to turn our society into a commie labor camp with shortages and drab green clothing is LAUGHABLE

  16. I’d say to all who think Socialism is so great to live in a socialist country for a year before trying to push the US to change. You will pretty much turn your paycheck over to the gov. . You lose your FREEDOM. That alone should scare you. It may work for those countries, but it’s like comparing apples to oranges. When Sanders compares us to say Sweden, there is NO comparison. We have millions of people in our country and they may have a couple to a few million. Their country is like the size of a state here.

    • WE LIVE IN DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM, dim human.

      Social Security is Democratic Socialism.
      Medicare is Democratic Socialism.
      Medicaid is Democratic Socialism
      Post Office are Democratic Socialism. (and in the Constitution)
      The US highway system is Democratic Socialism (and in the Constitution)
      our electric grid is Democratic Socialism
      Public Utilities are Democratic Socialism

      WHY such a dim human?

      • An both programs are infact bankrupt dim wit. 200 trillion dollars of unfunded mandates, Social security Trust fund. Busted Medicaid Trust fund busted. Like The nation State of Greece Cradle to grave goverment doesn’t work. Hence rioting protesting ,strikes in the city an country streets. And that will happen all over Europe. Then here , an it is coming sooner then
        You lunatics think. Dam I can’t freaking wait. The streets will be a washed with blood and the blood will be of the noncontributing, progressive dogs.

        • so you are still too low functioning to post a link.

          ok,

          there are lots of remedies, but the conservatives like to ignore them.

          AND my info is from the conservative AARP

          instead of Flapping my Gums like the conservative does.

          “Lifting the cap to cover 90 percent of all earnings is sensible and
          fair. Only 6 percent of workers earn more than the current cap of
          $118,500. It is fair for top earners to pay more into Social Security,
          and they would get a bit more in benefits. This change reflects the
          intent of Congress in 1977, when it set the cap to include 90 percent of earnings. Congress also provided for automatic adjustments for average wage growth so that the cap would continue to cover 90 percent. But with today’s top earners enjoying much bigger gains than everyone else, the cap now covers only about 83 percent of earnings. This proposal, together with other changes, could keep Social Security strong and pay for benefit improvements. (Virginia Reno, National Academy of Social Insurance)”

          http://www.aarp.org/work/social-security/info-05-2012/future-of-social-security-proposals.html

          the GOP just want to get the money to wall street so they can charge the few hundred million of us a fee every time we think about our account.

          • AARP is not ‘conservative’, but rather left leaning. They were in 0bama’s pocket promoting 0bamacare so that they could (and do) make huge profit from selling 0bamacare compliant policies to their millions of ill-informed members. Crony ‘capitalists’ that they are.

          • so was that a con proving something or just FLAPPING ITS GUMS?

            the liberal post a link to back up his statements.
            the conservative Flaps it’s Gums.

            the difference between the 2 groups.

            FACTS versus HOT AIR

          • Crony ‘capitalists’ that they are”
            so crony capitalists are now liberals?

          • You nailed it R.C..

        • “The streets will be a washed with blood and the blood”

          proof you are a delusional conservative with no concept of reality.

        • and the blood of Patriots.

      • $20 trillion debt. & a hundred+ trillion more in unfunded entitlements, etc. to keep the socialist ship you expose afloat. tick..tick..tick.

    • “You will pretty much turn your paycheck over to the gov.”

      considering Bernie’s PLAN only raise YOUR TAXES by a few thousand WHILE saving you ALL the Healthcare premiums, I think you need a THINK for just a second or two, instead of the hysterical WHINING.

      even cradle to grave countries get to keep their paychecks, have happier lives and a better place for business.

      one of the top 10 countries to do business IN according to
      conservative Forbes magazine.

      http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/

    • “You lose your FREEDOM”

      can yo NAME SOME that citizens of Denmark have lost?
      how about Holland?
      Germany?

      • Sweden just kicked 80,000 muslims out of their country. Major German cities aren’t safe for single women to walk around in after dark. And Holland didn’t let 100,000 muslims just waltz in. England and France have whole neighborhoods where even the police are afraid to go ! That is freedom – the absence of fear !

        • “Sweden just kicked 80,000 muslims out of their country”

          that is true, they are also KEEPING 80,000, so….

          “Sweden received more than 160,000 asylum applications last year – by far
          the biggest influx in the EU as a proportion of the population. Between
          60,000 and 80,000 of them will be rejected, the interior minister,
          Anders Ygeman, told Swedish media on Thursday.”

          http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/28/sweden-to-expel-up-to-80000-rejected-asylum-seekers

          funny how you cons only have half the story ALL the time.

        • ” England and France have whole neighborhoods where even the police are afraid to go”

          THAT is also A LIE that you cons also can’t prove.

          shall I embarrass you again?

          • Don’t you ever watch BBC news scooter ? Or just CNN !

          • ya I do, which is why I know you are LYING.
            it’s just another talking point.

            try PROVING IT and you will find out that your a low info drone.

          • Well only an idiot would refuse to recognize reality. Will look to Germany an it’s anti free speech laws effectively seliencing anti Muslim speech. Germans have been arrested for protesting the Muslim invasion into their country. England has quite simular Laws. My Friend your a damn blind fool . Ignoring Facts already in evidence. Several news sources . CNN even the left fringe lunatics on MSNBC ,Fox Washington post .New York Times have posted entire columns dedicated to the anti free speech laws past by Germany Parliament an Chancellor Merkel. Now The German goverment is attempting to cover up their dirty deeds .. Fact is look to France . Right before the Paris Bombings,shooting French Police . We’re not entering into certain Muslim controled neighborhoods , an only did so after the Prime minister declared Marshall law. DamN Your dumb an blind.

          • Peatro, thanks for pointing out Reality Checked-out’s LIES specific to freedom in European socialist countries. I understand that confronting all the LIES that kool-aide guzzler promotes would take many pages. Good synopsis on just one of R C-out’s LIES is appreciated.

          • so links are still over your IQ?

          • If your waiting for me to be baited into an on going tit for tat. You’ve got the wrong guy. Especially when the only sources you seem to post are as Bias as they come. Paul Krugman ; ” Really ” Is that the best source you can come up with ???. Really; A hard left fanatical lunatic. A guy who claims to be a brilliant economist, But ever single one of his predictions have been well off the mark. I would suppose though, your level of IQ is significantly reduced to A black fog out. All is dark in your tiny world. Where reality begins your little world ends.

          • the liberal post a link to back up his statements.
            the conservative Flaps it’s Gums.

            the difference between the 2 groups.

            FACTS versus HOT AIR

          • ( Liberals ) That is not you. You my friend are a progressive troll dead from the neck up.. through your own actions you my friend have infact proved my point , posting links to lunatic left fringe blogs . As your sources. Another point of contention . This is not just a Tea-Party Web site. If factany here are either libertarians Fiscal conservatives ,social conservatives. Independents, moderates an some are liberal. There are but a few progressive trolls ,Who find themselves out classed ,outed as trolling morons. You know your type. The dead from the neck up crowd.

          • “Liberal media” bull poo again.

            Tired talking point they tell you shallow conservatives so you
            believe the crap told to you by Fox news.
            somehow you cons are gullible enough to think that the “Liberal media” including the media from 195 other countries, is colluding together to shape American politics in favor of the “liberals” .

            ya, that makes plenty of sense to people desperate to believe.
            all you have to do is suspend all logic and common sense.

            The SAME media that the GOP candidates flock to.
            the SAME media that the GOP candidates quote on national television.

            you people are so gullible.

            so either they are lying to the American people,
            or “Liberal media” is the BIG LIE.

            your choice

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