Grammar Snobs Are Silencing Minorities, Claims Writer

English writer Mona Chalabi released a video this week that would have probably garnered a great deal of positive support…had she stopped filming it about halfway through. The Guardian reporter went on a tear against grammar snobs – the people in both the real world and on social media who seem to make it their life’s mission to point out every missing comma, every inappropriate use of quotation marks, and every misspelling they can find. “You know what I meant,” she says, and it’s a sentence we can all relate to.

Unfortunately, Chalabi doesn’t stop there. Rather than sticking to a sentiment we can all get behind – grammar Nazis should settle down – she goes one step further to make a very extraordinary argument.

“The people pointing out the mistakes are more likely to be older, wealthier, whiter, or just plain academic than the people they’re treating with condescension,” she says. “All too often, it’s a way to silence people and that’s particularly offensive when it’s someone who might already be struggling to speak up.”

Right. It’s not enough that grammar police officers be categorized as annoying; we have to pretend that they’re part of some conspiracy to shut down minority viewpoints. The only consolation is that of all the people in the world, Chalabi has to be the only one who actually believes this nonsense.

Oh. She isn’t.

Take Melissa Fabello at Everyday Feminism, who wrote in 2014 that the social justice movement would be better off without grammar snobbery. Fabello claimed that “purporting one form of English as elite is inherently oppressive.”

And here she is explaining why citing the rules of English is not appropriate:

As educated (and – okay – snarky) activists, we’re quick to respond to “According to the dictionary” arguments with “Who wrote the dictionary, though?” We understand that a reference guide created by a white supremacist, heteropatriarchal system does nothing but uphold that status quo.

Similarly, we have to use that line of thinking when talking about the English language: Who created the rules? And who benefits from them?

No one wants to defend those busybodies on Facebook who go looking for misplaced modifiers, but what the left is doing here goes well beyond social graces. Satisfied with the results of their war on morality, they now want to apply that same kind of relativism to the English language. From there, who knows where it will end?

 

 

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  1. While her syntax and English grammar are correct, I won’t waste further time reading anything else she writes.

  2. if this is white snobbery, why do we even go to school? lets all be ignorant as the left obviously wants. If education means nothing we may as well have stayed living in the available caves or like the flintstones-remember them?

    • Well the reason they are sent to school now is so that they can be properly indoctrinated into the finer points of socialism, certainly not grammar, civics, ethics, history, mathematics or science. Socialism is not compatible with an educated populace and welfare is not compatible with a strong work ethic or family!

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      • By playing the part of a social justice warrior or grammar nazi, they COMPLETELY MISS that the messenger might have an important point or good idea that could better the world.

        • Christine Hutchison

          The problem is their expression of an “important point” or “good idea” is not conveyed such that it is understood by anyone else-the point of putting it in writing. I come across lengthy “important points” and “good idea” and have no idea what is being said because the running on with misspelled words and no punctuation is impossible to comprehend!!???

          • Is with pmbleae!

          • And you don’t understand his post at all.? Too bad.

          • SDof AZ Barry is using an almost famous name with the exception of substituting an “E” for a “O” as in Soetoro who is a foreign student who falsely claims to have been born in Hawaii.

          • No. Barry behave yourself! 🙂

          • I have seen this as well but not too often. And I usually just ignore the post.

          • Christine I’ve run across this numerous times. I’ve re-read some things several times trying to determine what a writer was trying to say. I actually gave up a few days ago as nothing stated made sense. From what journalism school do they graduate–if at all? Do journalism schools teach English composition?

          • Well stated!

        • By not being able to express themselves in basic English, people destroy the message they are attempting to communicate. Using a common language properly helps to endure that message is communicated properly, however I do agree that sometimes the grammar police go too far.

          • Sometimes, sore losers turned grammar police during debates.

          • Among other even lower actions when they are losing.

          • NoRINO that’s a good point. They perceive themselves as loosing so they begin to grab at whatever penny-any crumbs they can pick up off the floor.

          • NO! It’s when pompous, leftist “scholars” sneer at us uneducated trailer park dwellers, then butcher the language!

          • Boy, Barry! You are upset. This is small potatoes to be worked up over. Focus on the open borders, that always pisses me off.

            Course I live in AZ and have for about fifty four years. I detest McCain and Flakey for the rinos they are, and BO is the worst president I have seen in over 67 years of living. Let us discuss the real elephants in the room, not this drivel.

          • I agree with you!

          • Well stated Barry. Thanks.

          • Insure! And as an example only, I knew what you meant.

          • There should be NO grammar policing here. This is not an English class. I would invite the self-appointed police to exit and stay away.

          • Right up to the point where the grammar is bad enough that you have no idea what idea the person is trying to communicate. My grammar isn’t perfect, however I do strive to express myself in understandable English.

          • And that jim_wright is all that is expected. You do well.
            I skip over nonsensical gibberish and move on but with respect to someone who tried yet might have failed to communicate. We don’t all have doctorates in English composition.

          • I want to hear others opinion and different viewpoints. I may not agree, but I think it’s important to see their viewpoints because they may have a better undetstanding than I do. I don’t nitpick someones grammar or try to be the grammar police. I just want to undetstand their message.

          • That is the way it should be jim_wright.

        • Accuracy in all things written or spoken should be the real intent.

        • disqus_b94LcxBhhW

          then they’d have to work at it and that’s not fair!!

        • Rigggghhhht! Excuses for bad behavior.

        • Sara please let me play with meanings here. You said “COMPLETELY MISS.” Is that better than a “NEAR MISS” in airline parlance? I’m not in aviation but I think both imply or state that two objects did not collide. I posted this nonsense jEst for fun. Now back to business.

        • And Sara these are the posts we might be better off ignoring. While some posts are a bit tiring I try to get the gist of what an author is trying to say.

        • sorry Sara …

          an important point or good idea that is misunderstood because of POOR grammar ( and spelling) is NOT a “an important point OR god idea”!

          Think It Over!

      • John E Strom Jr.

        It is a matter of pride that inner city black kids drop out of school and remain ignorant. They think an education is a liability. Given that the left wing NEA has a monopoly trying to dumb down the kids in school they might be on to something. But many of us get an education in spite of the NEA and black inner city kids end up with a very short life span and zero future – just as their “leaders” hope.

        • These morons have tried to correct my grammar only to find themselves messing up. Many have apologized to me. A lot of morons particularly from Iowa and Texas mix lay and lie and their past tenses. Some of these knowing it all cannot see the difference between Your and You’re. I am Black and still can point to any moron who tries to criticize my grammar. I encourage people of all races to write as they talk. We will understand them. I believe people who write and should write correctly are lawyers and judges. If they cannot write correctly, they are fired. Of course I am now learning they have proof readers most of who are women.

          • pmbalele your post is a good one but you would fair much better if you would leave out name calling (moron). FYI

          • Good post?? By what standards??

          • How about just communicating his views. I don’t believe pm is a citizen and I don’t think english is his first language. He is expressing himself pretty well though and I agree with marshmil, we could do without the name calling.What are you upset about Barry? Word policing? Silly matter.

          • Laughable, Mr. Mc Cain! Rambling isn’t communicating. Upset about? OBVIOUSLY you don’t “follow” pmble’s rants. Educate yourself!

          • His, not mine. He’s trying. I will not drop civility to be rude to him. Thanks for your question. 🙂

          • On this comment site, pm seems to be on relatively good behavior.. At least according to many of his past comments on other comment sites.
            But, you are correct about name calling and also crude bashing. When anyone does that to me, I instantly surmise the posters comment are not fact based. Therefore, to be ignored!

          • Thank you Mary B. When I see the word “moron” or other similar one posted it tells me the one posting has little civility, poor vocabulary and is attempting to raise her/himself up higher—from a perceived low depth. In other words the person posting just handed down her/his own literary judicial sentence. —and should be ignored.

          • Acquiring a good education is hard work. While some kids are hanging around with friends trying to avoid boredom, others are spending their time studying or reading up on a variety of topics. Now those who fritter their lives away, making no positive contribution to society, are demanding equal outcome, and the right to tap into the income of those who work and create. That fact is understandable, but the the fact that ANYONE actually listens to them is unravelling the middle class. There will always be educated, smart, dominating people, but what was unique about our country was we had a well educated middle and upper low class, who could make wise decisions in voting. As education is being dumbed down, the power of the upper class is growing.

          • Did you really mean when you said: “unravelling the middle class-well educated middle and upper low class? We have a high school governor here. I hope you’re labeling as highly educated. Also some of the well-educated as still racist and bigot. May explains our Repub governor is a school-drop out calling people in State as ISIS. Well of course he is now bragging he is supervising professors, lawyers, doctors and scientists. Now the same governor has vowed to run for a 3rd term. If no college graduate not challenging this guy, I will. In fact, I will pick up the form or paper tomorrow.

          • Definition,,,,
            Collage graduate…An unemployable very liberal leaning person with no real world knowledge or salable skills and defiantly no work ethic or any type of leadership skills.

            I have never hired anyone wit a degree that hadn’t had a minimum of 3 years military experience BEFORE going to collage.

            BTW It took me 10 years to get through Ohio State, (AFTER I got back from Vietnam, no less.)

          • Great post Molk. Thank you. The College grads you note are the grand and great grandchildren of the WWII folks–and never in touch with reality. They worship Hillary and Bernie. I endorse your hiring policy. Today “college bread” means a four year loaf. Congratulations on your sticking with it. America, the Constitution and the Engineer Donald need your kind to help keep the Freedom Train rolling down the appropriate track after this 7.5+ years being sidetracked and gathering vermin.
            Best to you Sir. You are a great American. God Bless.

          • Excellent!

          • I don’t agree with you. Your definition of a college graduate is totally misleading. I know a young man who worked his way through one junior college (3 yrs.), two universities, (2 yrs. ea.); graduated with a Bachelor’s degree in Chemistry, found a job in 6 weeks after graduation; and then bought his own house 6 months after graduation. He took advantage of every opportunity that came his way and is now totally on his own. He and his girlfriend, who is getting her Master’s degree in Psychology (and plans to go for her PhD), are two highly intelligent, hardworking young people. He is not liberal, nor is she. They both have very employable work skills. He has recently been promoted into a managerial position by the company he works for, and was also given a raise. There are thousands just like them. I don’t know where you got the idea that ALL college graduates are ignorant dolts. Thousands of them graduate every year who have wonderful skills and are the lifeblood of our upcoming generation. I have one son who graduated from medical school some years ago and is now a Board Certified ER doctor, and another son who acquired his Master’s degree in Aerospace Engineering and Boeing was glad to have him for nearly 20 years. Please do not denigrate hardworking students without knowing them personally. It seems to me that labeling people one does not know is a way of life on sites such as this. It’s so easy to slander someone you can’t see.

          • Not definantly! Pretty much the case, your post. Good definitely!

          • Most are dumber than rocks and have no work ethic or common sense!

          • And where exactly do you live pm? Again, it is worth puzzling out the information of the person posting. Now you must tell us where you live I am truly curious.

          • He lives in WI and is an older gentleman from his postings and loves Killary.

          • God help WI if pmbalele runs for governor.

          • WI is a leftist P.O.S. overrun by muslimes.

          • What is wrong with pmbalele running for governor position. The guy there is corrupt; but uses his assistant as shield. He is lucky I may drop a lawsuit I filed against him. I just learned his assistants, who have been either fired or quit were responsible for ill motive against me. Of course I am expecting a huge check from them. I will keep you posted.

          • I’m curious. In which state do you live?

          • BOOM!

          • Illegals have no rights! There here for the freebees. Go home!

          • Not sure who mentioned illegals, but not me. If we get into race and education, I will call out low income blacks who mock young blacks who want to improve their lives through education. It continues, because it works. Some Hispanic men oppose their daughters getting an education because they don’t want them to look down on ole Dad. Muslim men fear woman, especially educated women.

          • ‘proofreaders’ most of ‘whom’ are women. Crazy …sorry, I just couldn’t resist the irony !

          • Or,……” I hope you’re labeling as highly educated”.WTF??

          • I replied exactly as you up above only I’m a moron from Texas.

          • dams an sheet pbmble, u sho nuf ams smart.

          • “A lot of morons particularly from Iowa and Texas mix lay and lie and their past tenses.” Really? Iowa and Texas huh!? LMAO

          • Margaret MacGregor

            I almost hate to point this out, but it should be most of WHOM!

          • Please do! I have a problem with his facts….”most of who are women.” Another poll he has taken, no doubt!

          • I have never heard anybody in my neighborhood coin a sentence: I almost hate to point this out. The “almost” is unnecessary.

          • Bingo and another reason why I think you are located south of the US. Spanish is more utilitarian that English. I hate to point this out, but etc.. Where do you live pm?

          • Most of whom are women. Quite correct, Margaret. But did we all get the point of pm’s post? I think so. English may be a second language for pm and if so, his english is much better than my spanish.

          • And far better than my German, Greek and Spanish. He does very nicely.

          • He is a product of American schooling, not some third world country. He probably graduated with honors.

          • That may be so but I believe balele is an African name. I just happen to be a “moron from Texas” and I have NEVER heard of this (Spanish?) name.

          • With a name like pmbalele I would guess he comes from a country in Africa not Mexico.

          • Hey, Let;s all go diagram sentences.

            Just Kiddin’!

            OOPS, that is “I was speaking in jest”

            (Yo, We could have a hell of a lot of fun with this,,,,,,,)

          • I doubt anyone knows how to diagram a sentence anymore.

          • I fully agree with you guest. And the people who should know how to use standard English along with attorneys and magistrates are JOURNALISTS! What a letdown I see frequently today in particular on the internet. My high school and college English teachers would dig out of their graves if they could read some of the stump ground sentences nowadays being published. If sentences were new cars they’d have bent fenders, broken windows, missing lights and smeared paint. And I say these things with great respect for teachers and professors trying to do a good job–considering what you have to work with. [ Disclaimer needed. ]

          • In public education, everybody is a winner and nobody is held back for failure! Cretins graduate and go on to college.

          • You are so correct marshmil. Now that the majority of teachers and professors appear to be victims of poor education, IMO I think they are inadvertently passing their poor education along. Education has been dumbed down to the extent that many students who are almost illiterate graduate from high school . This lack of education is obvious if you listen to newscasters, and everyone else on TV these days. Sometime I have to turn them off. Listening to them is more offensive than someone scratching on a blackboard. I could say much more, but I will stop here.

          • the foundations are Weak!

            An edifice built on sand will most assuredly collapse!

          • I forgot …. but I might have the Grammar Book … stilll !

          • Yes Mathew Molk. ***** It’s jest for fun! *****

          • Um, add editors, reporters, school teachers of all schools, etc.to the list of should be able to spell, write, read, correctly not to leave out punctuation, etc.. Our population should be full of educated people capable and able to produce a well written, well edited article, post, letter, any written communication. That does not mean those same folks are better than the other people wanting to be heard or their views presented who may not have the education to do so. We can usually understand the intent behind the communication. But in my roaming through the comments I have noted that the word police though obnoxious have not stopped those who have something to say and it is generally worth puzzling it out. So you are right pm, they should be ignored.

          • You’re listening to FoxNews Bill O’rielly too much. The guy does not want to corrected for inaccurate information in his books. Last time he had it with George Wills before FoxNews audience- Bill fumed why George Wills criticized him. I will never buy a book from such a braggie.

          • SDofAZ did you really mean Mary Bromley, not pm, when you said, “So you are right pm, they should be ignored.” ?

          • Don’t call into question MY education and then post drivel that can barely be read, let alone be comprehended. NUFF SAID!!

          • Did you have a point here? I must have missed it in your eloquent communication?

          • [we tinx we likes ya] Justly say, “No” to Monica Lew[d]insky’s boyfriend’s wife! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a9808fd3069aece05273a628752d5b5743ba2f355d9093a1f1b605f46a517b7.jpg

          • LOL…LOL…LOL. Keep your fingers crossed, maybe it will happen to her. Where did you get this photo? Or is it photoshopped?

          • It was on the internet…we don’t even have a camera! Isn’t ‘photoshop’ sumkinda apple? Justly say, “No” to Monica Lew[d]insky’s boyfriend’s wife!

          • “…most of WHOM are women.”

            Moron from Texas

          • Wrong. But, who anymore cares about clear expression of thought? To anyone born after, say, 1960, it’s all about “ME” anyway.
            PS we don’t care about your skin color, racist, feminist!

          • Since you seem to want to be correct, take note: it’s ‘know it alls’, not ‘knowing it all’. I was a secretary for 40 years and stuff like that just jumps out at me. Plus, it should be ‘write as they speak’, not ‘write as they talk’. Proof readers is one word: proofreaders. Hope these suggestions help.

          • You have a point. You’re woman-those lawyers abused you but overworking to read and correct their mistakes. Please sue them with back pay.

        • Remember the furor in places like the Oakland School District in California when they were advocating that all their children should be educated in the preference of learning and the use of Ebonics rather than American-English ?
          This admonition completely ignored the possibility that all Oakland School Children would in the future be rendered unemployable in the real world outside of Oakland. But perhaps that was their political intention for voting purposes ?

          • I notice with liberals, it is always excuses for bad behavior, never solutions to rise themselves up.

        • Strong, ignorant masses of voters are SO easy to manipulate.

      • Steven Ray Smith

        l
        Like what you said, most all of us make spelling and grammar mistakes. That’s what spell and grammar check is for.

        • Some are to ignorant or lazy to incorporate these tools. Sad really!

        • Margaret MacGregor

          The problem with that is that it doesn’t pick up on errors like their and there. It only picks up on true errors.

          • Wrong use of their, they’re and there as well as its and it’s are true errors. Forgive me if I appear to be like a grammar police person. Don’t mean to be.

        • Sometimes a spellchecker can be cantankerous. When I type “raghead” mine rewrites it to “facecloth.” Yes it does! I have to go back and retype it to get what I want. I’ve wondered if my pc is a member of ISIS/ISIL

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      Yaaasuh…Y’all all sho do love dat Old Tyme Relijun and dat phoney drawl..Got news for you hick boy…You can blame the left, right or center, but it isn’t the Dems states who had to close 2 schools in Kansas before the school year ended due to lack of education funding. So..tell us math boy..how the hell do you righties manage to blame that on anyone but yourselves? After all, the Speaker of the House Ryan is Republican, he served on the House Ways and Means Committee and every Republican state in the tank like IA, MI, FL and AR are all right wing states. Yasssuh..y’all all sho do love to Whistle Dixie instead of getting an education. Is MIT the left? Harvard? Yale? Princeton? All are in “left” states..try again big mouth..Get another boozer on that Haterade.

      • Kaliphornia, a leftist, “blue state”!
        “Gov. Jerry Brown has signed legislation requiring public schools to include the contributions of gay and lesbian people in their curriculum, making California the first state to adopt such a requirement.”
        “A Silicon Valley lawmaker is gaining momentum with a bill that would require “climate change” to be among the science topics that all California public school students are taught.
        The measure, by state Sen. Joe Simitian, D-Palo Alto, also would mandate that future science textbooks approved for California public schools include climate change.”

        “PASADENA (CBSLA.com/AP) — A bill authored by a Pasadena lawmaker that encourages schools to teach about the historical significance of Barack Obama becoming the nation’s first
        African-American president is now California law.”

        “California students score at bottom of nation in reading, math!-By Sharon Noguchi
        California students continue to score near the bottom among states in math and reading, according to results of a national test released Thursday.The Golden State’s fourth-graders ranked 47th in the nation in both math and reading. Eighth-graders ranked 45th in math and 42nd in reading. And the scores show that the gap separating white students from their black
        and Latino peers in English and math is bigger in California than it is nationwide.”

        Allysia Finley with the Wall Street Journal explains: “UCs this year needed to spend an additional $73 million on pensions, $30 million on faculty bonuses, $24 million on health benefits and $16 million on collectively bargained pay increases. The regents project
        that they will require $250 million more next year to finance increased compensation and benefit costs.”
        Moreover, Finley reveals the extraordinary level of waste in the UC system: “Ms. Napolitano [President of the University of California] says that the UCs have cut their budgets to the bone, yet her own office includes nearly 2,000 employees—a quarter of whom make six-figure
        salaries. An associate vice president of federal government relations earns $273,375 a year, plus $55,857 in retirement and health benefits, according to the state controller’s office. Thirty professors at UC Santa Cruz rake in more than $200,000 in pay, and most faculty can retire at 60 and receive a pension equal to 75% of their final salary. More than 2,100 retirees in the university retirement system collected six-figure pensions in 2011.”

        • Eleanore Whitaker

          You do realize that a man filled with such hate who rambles like your post is mentally ill right?

          What moron names will you make up little boy for the next Democratic President? Your post is the best example of why your right wing mental patients brought the Republican part so low Trump and Cruz are the two candidates left.

          If you have to make up names for the President of the United States, I’m guessing you fly the Stars and Bars and not the Stars and Stripes? You idiots of the right are psychos Reagan allowed to be “integrated” into regular society.

          Try again hot shot. And may the skeletal remains of Jeffy Davis be served to you on toast.

          • you are the best example of whats wrong in this country, when confronted with facts that prove a valid point you make the stupidest argument anyone could think of instead of a counter to the facts presented. liberals are brain dead if they buy your stupidity.

          • John E Strom Jr.

            Eleanor Whitaker, Obviously you need more sex in your life! You ARE a prickly one. Not many want to cuddle up to a porcupine for fear of injury.

          • go bake something you dimwit

          • Sweetheart, please learn how to research! You bore us.

          • What president? There hasn’t been one in 7-1/2 years.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            Awww…What’s the matter little failure loser white boy? A bi-racial president more intelligent, loved, admired and respected than a piece of shitballs like you will ever be have your balls in a knot?

            The swaggering, drawling rodeo asshole you voted for twice killed nearly 4,000 American military just so his fuckoff military industrialist pigs could live for 8 years off our tax dollars.

            There was NO recession until Bush handed out 3 tax cuts the GAO.gov shows made the crooks 11% wealthier but a shitbag like you whose entire life is based on ripping others off hates to have to live with common decency, respect and honety. Time for hater boys like you to face the fact that Americans are not going to live through 8 more years of Republicans using our tax dollars to keep your ass fat and lazy.

        • I would imagine that Eleanore W. would like for us to “feel the Bern” or throw the educated over the “Hill.”
          Then she could collect more welfare money.

        • Thanks! Your posting shows impressive research by you and good stats to know.

      • Michael Dennewitz

        Not that bitch again. Who the he’ll forgot to flush???

        • I have noticed her on these sites lately-what a racist beyotch! She just comes on and rambles racist garbage and never seems to really have a point to it-another AKlady, except she is extremely vitriolic to the right. I ignore her posts-she is a loser

      • Come on! ALL the cities that are run by Dems have horrible schools that are very well funded. My dad went to a two room schoolhouse and then to a farm community school with all the grades in one stone two story building. That family produced a doctor, geophysicist, aeronautical engineer, and a dietician. They went from that little school to the University of Texas and Texas Tech. It is not money, it is values. Something foreign to big spending, low character Dems, who were never taught decent values at home.

        • I also went to a small school. Five rooms in two buildings. 4th, 5th, and 6th grade in the same room all three years. Same teacher, too. She taught all the classes for all three grades (45 to 50 students), at the same time. Never had a problem teaching or helping students. The real trouble is the “teachers” who go to college to “learn how to teach”. The new type of teacher is a spoiled whiny incompetent nothing.

          • I tend to agree, Scott. What gets my goat is the $50,000+ salary they get and they’re still complaining.

          • $50,000 is starting salary for teachers in Vermont. A tenured teacher in Vermont can make 125,000 a year

          • You surely know that the cost of living in different states drives teacher salaries! It isn’t good argument when you compare apples to oranges and then apply the comparison to only the oranges.
            That is not logical thinking.
            If you aren’t totally possessed by the Liberal mind set, you might be interested in a subject call Ideological Subversion. Google that.

          • Sorry to bust your bubble , but I am as anti-liberal as I am anti-religion .As for the teachers salaries in Vermont, the average income for a family of four with 1 working parent is around 25,000 to 30, 000. A teacher starts out around twice that amount.

          • First thing you said that made any seance at all,,,and I couldn’t agree with you more. Just a bunch of lazy bust outs.

      • John E Strom Jr.

        Yep, it’s ALL whitey’s fault. Eleanor, the venom out of you is hilarious. Most that talk and write “Ghetto” are black. They happen to reside in every state in the union so it’s not relevant whether that state is led by a Democrat or Republican administration. In fact the root cause of poor grammar is the NEA which has a stranglehold on education ( the National Educational Association) and foolish blacks (mostly) who aspire to be “Ghetto” and beat up any black kid who attempts to get an education. So if you want to be accurate look to the monopoly union that controls the school systems and black kids who drop out of school, join gangs and act like their homes were in a tree.

        • I have been a big time union activist in my life but brother are you right. ALL teacher;s unions have to go.

      • You might have been trying to make a point, hard to tell. By writing like a moron, your Point was lost. Try not writing as someone your not, or trying to be cute and using a nonsense made up “black” dialect . PITIFUL.

      • The only folk in the U.S. that speak in such horrendous sub-standard English are some from the Appalachians and some Blacks. Bless you sister. You are old enough to learn to speak in proper English.

        • Obviously, you have never been to Brooklyn, New York, New Orleans, LA, or any place in New Jersey, or OH.

          • Only Ohio. My sister-in-law was reared there. When I first met her, she spoke really correctly. Living in southern middle American state has corrupted her speech somewhat.

        • WHY YOU DAM PEOPLE, THAT HAS ALL THIS EDUCATION, SO MEAN TO OTHERS THAT YOU DONT HAVE ALL YOUR TALENTS TO BECOME A EDUCATED FOOL?
          I HAD MUCH RATHER KNOW HOW TO BUILD A HOUSE,PLUMB IT, AND WIRE IT, OR
          BE A AUTO SERVICE TECH. THAN HAVE ALL YOU FREAKS EDUCATION PUT TOGETHER.THE ABOVE HAVE A BETTER LIFE, MAKE MORE $$$$$$$$$$$$
          THAN YOU. BUT YOUALL ENJOY LOOKING FOR OTHERS MISTAKES, AND POINTING THEM OUT. I GUESS THATS WHAT GETS YE ROCKS OFF.
          SO mary IM FROM THU APPALACHIANS,I RAISE KORN, MAKE MESH OUTA IT
          THEN SELL IT FOR A LOTA $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, UN PROUD.

          • Oh fiddlesticks! Why are you shouting and raving incoherently?
            Eleanor can write perfectly good English, although many of her posts are nasty.
            She was cruelly mimicking folk who have difficulty speaking proper English! I consider that as unkind.
            Hey, got any of that corn mash at a reasonable price? LOL

      • David Witenstein

        Hey genius my daughters were educated in Florida. All three have Baccalaureate Degrees from Florida State Universities. One is a Nurse Practitioner, one is in upper retail management, and one is a Civil Engineer. Me I was educated in NY and in my best NY education all I have to say is GO FUCK YOURSELF

        • In New York, punctuation is not taught, is it David Witenstein?

          • David Witenstein

            Sure is. I graduated school there in 1974,before entering the Air Force. With 2 college degrees I do just fine.

          • But you still can’t write correctly.
            God help the Air Force.
            Do YOU ever have to commutate (in writing) in the Air Force?

          • TOM BROOKS, DAM YOU HOW DARE YOU PUT ONE OF OUR VETS DOWN.
            WHAT HAVE YOU GIVEN TO OUR COUNTRY ???????????

          • I did not put him down. He put himself down. He was the one bragging about his great NY education, the two degrees, neither of which taught him to put a period at the end of a sentence. But maybe I was wrong. Just maybe, that is the way “education” in NY is normally measured.
            And seven of my seventy three years were spent in the U.S. Navy.
            What have you done?

          • TOM BROOKS, WHAT HAVE I DONE ? 6 YEARS A NAVY SEAL.
            UN I DONT RITE, SPAL ER PUNCUATE WORTH A CHIT.
            DID YOU HAVE UH DESK JOB, IN THU NAVY ??

          • Your small mind would call it a “desk job”.
            Actually it was aboard a P2V Neptune as an ECM, MADD, Radio, and Sniffer operator.
            I have the utmost respect for 99.999% of our Navy men including Seals as well as Army Special Forces & other troops, Marine Corps and Air Force personnel. But, obviously, there are some jerks in at least one of those fine branches of the military. I thank God that one bad apple doesn’t spoil the whole bunch.
            Have a great day.

          • Thank you for your service. I mean that sincerely.

          • Mary, you are welcome. I belive you are a nice lady.

          • Fool, dear fool, He was bad rapping NYC schools.

          • Thank You for pointing this out to him!

          • David Witenstein

            Commutate?

          • Tom, Why don’t you lighten up.

            I just saw a post elsewhere about the grammar police,

            You ignore the message and go for the bullshit.

            Go sit in the corner and diagram a sentence, or something.

      • In the U.S. more money is spent
        (per student) than ANY other country on this planet. You, Eleanore Whitaker, are living proof that most of that money is wasted.
        Why don’t we just let everybody have their own language that no one else can either speak nor understand? Now, wouldn’t that make a bunch of perfect democrats?

      • concerned educator

        The left has taken over education in NYC and the test scores are down. seems to me the left is cheating our children out of a decent education not the right. I went to a math workshop and one of the games they played (yes they wasted our time with games) was a type of 20 questions. They asked to guess a number between 1-50 I asked if it was between 1-25 to begin narrowing it down. They said yes. A Dept. of Education public school teacher asked if it was 37. She made twice my salary. Another time my daughter and I were on the train and she pointed out a grammar error on a poster. The poster was put out by the NCY Dept. of Education. I, a Conservative, taught my daughter to read..NYC is one of the most leftist states in the Union and more concerned with teaching about condoms than commas;

    • or go to Christian schools and prevent your children from going to public schools because after all their education comes from comoon core it is time to accept christian education not some funny looking Democrat schools

      • Christain schools do not educate students. They indoctrinate them into religion. Schools need to be run by educators, not priests or politicians. Religious schools do not teach science, they stick religion in as a pretend science ( creationism specifically). This is why children at religious schools have no chance to become scientists, doctors, etc.

        • John E Strom Jr.

          Scott Campbell, public schools indoctrinate children into hating corporations that manufacture the goods and services we need, make the children feel guilty about “white privilege”, try to tell children that homosexuality is just another lifestyle and other leftist manure. In public schools the teachers serve two masters – the NEA [National Educational Association] and the schools. Who they don’t serve are the children and their parents. Public schools are a massive waste of money. We pay for a Rolls Royce education and the NEA delivers a Yugo education. By the way, I went to a public school – but back in the 50’s. I would NEVER send my kids to a public school these days.

          • And a lot of public schools are teaching about islam. I would rather have them taught Christianity.

          • you could have said that to Scott Campbell and this guy is making up false misconception about Christian schools because after all they teach lots of subjects and also it is okay for christians to have Yugioh cards and to watch Yugioh cartoons also there are some people who calls themselves christian but they Insult trading card games and makes videos about it and uploads it on youtube these are Legalistic people will you stay away from Legalistic people who used christian faith only to insult the games that their children play?

          • i DONT KNOW BUT SHARIA LAW MIGHT BE WHAT IS NEEDED TO GET CRIME UNDER CONTROL IN THE USA. i WOULD RATHER MY CHILDREN LEARN ABOUT THE TRUTH ABOUT iSLAM SO THEY DO NOT GROW UP TO BE SLAVES TO ZIONISM AND THE CHURCH WHICH ARE JUST AS EVIL

          • Might want to skip that second cup of coffee in the morning Mike.

          • HOPE THEY’RE NOT GIRLS, they may not make it home in one piece after school.

          • Do you think your child would be better off with you dead? Would your sons be better off being taught to be good little suicide bombers in the name of Allah? Would your daughters be better off learning to be considered property and being married off and raped by older men at 13? Because for us to accept Sharia Law would mean Muslims would have control. They would kill off Christians first then either you as an infidel would become Muslim or die! The fate of your children would then be for them to decide and it would not be pretty. Your gay children would be slaughtered by means even more cruel than those that died at pulse. Like being thrown from a tall building or lit on fire or maybe even hog tied and run over by a vehicle over and over again. Yeah, that sounds like a better system right Michael???

          • did U forget … “beheaded”? … or intentionally omit that Sharia “punishment” ?

          • please study Sharia Law before you wish for it. If after that you think it is better, at least you will have know what it is.

          • Putin is our enemy , but when it comes to Muslims and Sharia Law , I am with Him He says they are Primitive and if they are to Live and work in Russia they will speak Russian and live by Russian laws or get deported ,, Freedom is not Free!

          • Imagine that!! A leader with balls and a sense of REALITY!!

          • Vlad might have something there,,,,,????

            But I’m all for deporting them to the crater of an active volcano, or maybe 50 miles from the nearest North Sea oil platform with no boat of live preservers.

            I keep saying,,,,Let’s go back to the WW II philosophy of killing our enemies and helping our friends. – Other then Stalin it worked pretty good back then,,,,,Nothing is perfect and eventually we took the Soviet Union down anyway. (Not going to get into who is responsible for the latest Russian reappearance.)

          • Golly, I have never been a slave as a Catholic because we have the right to reason and argue in the Church. Only have to listen to a pope if they speak ex cathedra, other than that, they have their opinions and I have mine. I can also tell you that parents when I was small/young really looked after us and made sure we would not be approached on streets or anywhere else (although I remember my older brother wanted to sell me for a nickle, for which he paid a lot of punishment time). They knew bad people were around and we were taught what to do to protect ourselves. Today, we have lots of progenitors but not many real parents! Helped me a lot when I lived in a 3rd world country as well.

          • I’m Catholic too.

            And have been called the most reactionary rugged individualist that a liberal collage professor never want’s to meet.

            And I put Duty, Honor, Country WAY ahead of anything the Pope wants to tell me.

          • Perhaps you live in the wrong country then. I don’t think Sharia law is even legal under our constitution. So if you think it is so great, Michael, go to a country where it is already practiced.

          • But when did his Royal Exhaulted Bomma give a crap about the oath he took to “defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic” His Highness really likes people like Michael and wants to pleas them.

            Mayne we could stick Stewart, Clinton (both of them) and his Majesty in a Conex box and shove it off the back of a C-130 over Tehran (Without a Parachute!)

          • No question who you voted or will vote for! Allah shitbar!

          • You GOT to be on some heavy duty drugs or are some kind of Moslem terrorist.

            Either way. – Stop and move to Iran. You sure ask hell don’t belong here.

          • Michael you confessed with your first three words: “I don’t know.” You had better get educated about Sharia Law and also about Israel. Your first three words here are a confession of ignorance on your part. Learn more.
            Convert to Islam if you so desire. You likely will not like
            it once you begin to get involved.

          • Or actually stick what they say and teach neither.

          • I am a retired school teacher. I found the admin and some parents really didn’t want their children to learn decision-making skills and logical thinking.
            They actually stated that these important life skills would make their children unsatisfied with their lot in life.
            “Their ‘lot’ in life?” This is still America!!!!

          • concerned educator

            I saw many more good expectations coming from the nuns than I saw from most public school educators. Nuns stayed after school and worked with children having difficulties with their studies because they were doing God’s work. Public school teachers went home when the bell rang because they answered to the unions The sisters I had would ask the parent of children that looked hungry to come help them at the convent. When the child came they’d cook a meal together and the child would get a good meal Children of alchoholic families that had problems were invited so they would have a chance to just relax and the parent was never made to feel inadequate. Not many sectarian teachers do things like that.

          • “We” the public school teachers had no place to do the above kindnesses, but the “Nun” had a convent.
            To compare public school teachers to nuns in this way is rather like comparing apples and oranges.
            You could compare the “systems” though. Had I made enough money as a teacher, I would certainly have sent my son to a church school.

          • Me too!

          • Sorry, but I have taught in Catholic schools and public schools. What comparison? To most reasonable people teachers are teachers and that’s what they do, teach. Has nothing to do with a convent, but I also had a home and family to care for, so your pitiful remark sounds like you are unfortunately a person who should not be teaching.

          • I know I still love my nuns in grade school, high school and university because they give it their all every day and each of us was important to them doing not a job but a career made with love and goodness. Can’t deny though when one fell apart in menopause, it was funny but they did take her away from teaching until back to normal. Good teacher though! especially in teaching cleanliness in yourself, your clothes, and her classroom because it showed respect for yourself, the teacher and the fact that you actually had a great classroom. All that has helped me in my life here and outside the USA. You give, not take, when you have God and His love in your life.

          • Not for much longer.

          • Progenitors too stupid to think that a LOT IN LIFE means being ignorant, stupid, lazy, whining, etc. just as they did. They go nowhere but to drug dealers, welfare, protests, etc. If that is a Lot in Life, then I am glad I didn’t get it.

          • Everybody get a trophy, huh?

            Remember the Godfrey Cambridge movie……

            :He kept saying, “This can’t be America”

            Mary, The will get to you over my dead body. I will fight for people like you right to the end. (Did it for a lot of years already — I’m a retired Cleveland Policeman) .

          • No schools I have been in do any such thing You can’t blame the school system on the liberals put in charge of things. Anyone who went to religious schools are indoctrinated into religion. Religions are all lies and NOTHING good ever comes from religion.

          • John E Strom Jr.

            Then YOU, Scott Campbell, need to read more. I could cite numerous examples of just what I’ve posted. Why do you think Bernie Sanders is doing so well. He’s anti-corporations [mostly banks] but these kids think corporations are evil and all of them are rich. Then we have the leftist NEA which has a stranglehold on teaching. You do NOT teach without their blessing in a public school. As for religious schools, they give kids a damned fine education. Religious indoctrination is optional. I can’t blame the liberals? The NEA is a left wing organization, pro-homosexual and evil. I don’t remember anyone getting a choice. School administrators run these schools and they’re almost all liberal as well. Who do you think runs our governments and our schools?
            I didn’t go to a religious school nor am I religious but they do a very good job – most – and they have to since they don’t get any public subsidy. As for whether religion is good or evil – they’re both. They’ve done a lot of good and caused a lot of harm but each of us gets to chose whether we believe or not. Billions of people DO believe so I think you’re a bit outnumbered.

          • I am from Vermont and I am very well aware of just what Sanders is about. He is a communist and a very poor example of what a politician should be like. You have no clue about him. He claim to be a Vermonter, he is NOT. He is from New York city As for a “damned fine education”, they do NOT teach science properly. Without a proper introduction to evolution; biology, botany, zoology, anatomy, and all life sciences are not possible to learn. NO religious school teaches evolution, they teach creationism , which has NO basis in science.

          • John E Strom Jr.

            Scott, I agree Bernie isn’t a Vermonter. Neither is Hillary a New Yorker. Both are carpetbaggers.

            As for science, you’re homing in on a small number of them. Evolution is a theory. One I believe in but still a theory. I would agree with you on Creationism but millions do believe in it. That’s a war, Evolution v Creationism, that can continue for decades and never be resolved. Why argue?

            My issue is with a very powerful union that controls most of the teachers and most of the school districts in this country. And they’re doing a piss poor job of teaching. American kids rank well below most European countries and most Asian countries as well. They are horribly deficient in math and science. Most of our scientists, engineers etc come from China, India and Russia. All because our NEA teachers hate science due to the fact most are liberals with no background in the sciences.

          • John, I am in agreement with you. However, you are making the same mistake most people do in regards to the word Theory (capital T). It does not mean the same thing as the common usage of the word. In science, a Theory is a body of knowledge and observed and tested facts that support the beginning hypothesis. In science, Theory is equal to fact. I agree schools, in general are doing a lousy job of teaching, especially in the sciences and math. I feel this is due to three reasons. Reason number one; theists don’t want their children to learn critical thinking because this leads to realizing religion is a big crock. Reason number two; lieberals don’t want their children taught critical thinking because then their children will realize liberalism is as much a crock as religion. Reason number three; teachers are becoming lazy and don’t want to have to work for a living. This has resulted in putting children of vastly different learning potential and intelligence together and expecting them to proceed at the same pace. This leads to advanced students being stunted and slower children being embarrassed by being behind.

          • Dr. Robert Schwartz

            Your first reason is an egregious error. The other two are gross generalizations. My best suggestion is that you study St. Thomas Aquinas as a start. Otherwise, just think about how mankind has built civilizations through law and order, thinking and deciding. How did mankind develop all of this? Now ask yourself how nature received its regularity. It preceded our existence. It, too, reflects laws and order, but, then, who developed that part of of pre-existence? It had to be a rational being, as we are, but one who preceded us and who is spiritual, like our spirit, aka, soul, and all societies, both previous and contemporary, and societies that are still primitive, have reached the conclusion–it is God.

          • I agree, Dr., but considering their blogs here I doubt they have the mental capability to understand him. I had to study him in a Catholic University and learn to distinguish good and bad and back up my decision. Just go back to the primitives and how they knew there was a Creator and tried in their way to worship him, and also they figured out a lot about law, ownership, sexual conditions, and nature in general. Our history of the world is utterly fascinating and why America was founded as a Republic by, of and for the people, who ARE the Government and why America was respected and so many wanted to come LEGALLY for real freedom to move on up! And, yes, Mother Nature knows best and the climate changes constantly to keep the planet in balance but the stupids only hear about how humans affect the climate. Pure drivel which means they need to really study real science! Science is not engraved in stone and thanks to Einstein, many have learned that lately.

          • John E Strom Jr.

            Scott, I agree with most of your post but do have issue with theory equaling fact. Evolution does have very solid evidence to support it but since evolution occurs over such a long period of time it’s still not indisputable ‘fact’. I do think evolution is factual to the best of our knowledge but there are things we learn every day that do tend to give pause.
            That said, Creationism isn’t fact but the hope of believers. Muslims have their facts as do Christians, Jews, Hindu etc. Every one of them thinks their way is the true way. I believe in none of them but go believe in God. Who else could have created the universe and life and all of the other magic? I think Man created religion to explain the inexplicable and to have power over their flocks. I can’t prove I’m right about the existence of God but it’s still my belief but I reject all religions as a method to subjugate the masses and stifle thought.
            As for our public school system – it stinks. You’re right – the gifted and the not-so-gifted get the same grist for the mill. Those parents fortunate enough to afford schools for the gifted are lucky and smart as their children can receive a great education. Sadly, most kids do not receive even a fair education because teachers hate math and science [most] so they don’t teach it well. What a shame

          • While I differ with you on the possible existence of any god, I am pretty much in line with the rest. And I do not mind if people want to believe in a god. I strongly object to people trying to force others to believe in something that has not one bit of evidence. Theists continually try to force their beliefs on everybody else, like threatening people with hell.

          • concerned educator

            I don’t see anyone forcing you to believe in God yet you misspell his name and don’t even capitalize it as a way to mock the idea of God. I feel sorry for you and I will pray that you become enlightened.

          • And how is anyone in this country forcing anyone to believe in God? Many in this country have many “gods”–money, sports, booze, you name it and someone has made it their “god”.

          • How is anyone FORCED to believe anything? Christ does not force anyone to follow him…. it is a choice. Christians are a beacon of Christ’s love. They are to tell others about his love and mercy, not to force Christianity on anyone. Have you been forced? If by being told that you have no salvation except through Christ is being forced than that message was completely lost on you!

          • Well, Scott, hate to tell you but many well known scientists are now postulating WHO or WHAT created the chaos because nothing comes from nothing is a reality which you obviously do not accept. In the Chinese Medicine it is called the “universal Qi” so they knew man just didn’t appear without something creating him and our universes. Amazing so many thousands of years ago they were a lot smarter than you. I have never ever forced my Catholic faith on any one because we know that God calls you. However, I do know other faith beliefs standing on corners, knocking on doors, or preaching on the streets trying to push you their way. One has a mind and can use it, and I do as a Catholic. Wow! what a concept.

          • You made one critical error…Theory does not equal fact, it means that your proposition works within a given set of parameters, but not universally. What you mean as fact is a scientific LAW that works all the Tim like gravity. Theories are not certainty, they look that way, but at times fool us, because we forgot a critical detail along the line that was not thought of in the original proposition and was not tested for in the original experimentation. As an example many airplanes fell apart after numerous pressurizations, and depressurizations of the cabin; someone forgot to take into account the effect of extreme temperatures and metallurgy at high altitudes, Theory needed revision on several fronts.

          • My father fought for unions, and the CIO was great and actually for the worker, and then came along the AFOL and things became controlling and the “officers” getting rich and that is happening in all unions today. By the way, when I was a working adult, lots of union members but today something less than 25% and they want to tell us what to do. Sounds like our 2 parties in 1 both of which are privately owned corporations and don’t want to lose their honeypots of money, honey!

          • Unions were fine until they work-ruled everyone and got control of the pensions, then things went South. My gripe is that you cannot reward the better achievers and the mopes get the protection.

            At the prison system in the state where I live, the Union for the CO’s negotiated for the Education money and as soon as they got it from the state, they changed the rules so that it was very difficult for the members to take college courses…..then blamed the State for setting up barriers for taking the courses. Since I teach those courses I know the rules and who set them, and I reset some of my course dates to circumvent their rules, then the union guys believed who was the problem. Guess who got to keep the money if the members did not use it? It virtually shut down the higher education program in the state, wonder why I love these guys!

          • Sorry, Scott and John, blame yourselves for your ignorance. I was taught science and it was great because I learned to understand statistics and how we are lied to with false statistics on a daily basis. Yes, I had to come up with an observation, then hypothesis, and then how to get the answer I wanted to get but with a lot of supporting evidence, otherwise the P value is nil, and you have to it with a very large human study in medicine, that is thousands. It was work, but wonderful for my thesis.

          • I lived in Germany for a while some years back. I was there on job assignment. i wanted to have my children with me while there so they could absorb some of the culture, not only of Germany, but European countries in general. But, when it came time for them to go to school, I had to send them back to the states because our education system was at a level that was a full year behind theirs. In high school their grade 12 was at a level of our freshman year in college. Also, at that time they went to school year around. The schedule was 6 weeks of school and then 2 weeks off. The public in general seemed to love the schedule. They could plan their vacations year around and to match what they wanted to do.

          • And when we visited Japan, students even in classes on weekends! And they had lots of homework as well. I knew about Germany as my husband is from Germany and his command of mathematics blows my mind. In China in the a university, you live in a dorm room with 3 others with no air conditioning, no heat, and if you want to bathe you have to down to an area and drag/carry whatever hot water to the bathroom to clean yourself. Teaches them to be strong and great students and now China has almost as many millionaires and billionaires as America and most came from the non-elites. A beautiful country and in Beijing they love to speak English to perfect it because they know its importance. We have some wonderful Chinese friends in Beijing and always look forward to seeing them when we visit China. Might want to know a lot of American ex pats there as well. Communism? Yes, but not really noticeable and when the last hard core die as they are mostly aged, then you will see even more advancement there, while we retrogress. I always liked Germany as well and stayed there a time also, but now with the false refugees causing crime to rise exponentially, I fear for my spouse’s siblings there. It has become a horrible place to visit and safety now is no guarantee. Thanks to Merkel!

          • John, you need to travel to say China where education starts at age 3 and it ain’t play school but reading, writing (takes years to learn all the characters), math, and manners. Wow! what a concept. That is why they are so learned and know how to work hard at their studies. Learned a lot when I studied in China because they have a lot to admire while we are getting less and less admired due to the 2 parties in 1 and clods in the White House.
            Unfortunately, as a result of public education in America most adults cannot read well, writing is difficult to read (hence they texts which is now causing cancer of the index and/or thumb for repetitive actions), lousy at math and can’t even check invoices or their checkbook! Clueless, but many are not hopeless because they then take remedial classes and most of those are legal immigrants to America, but definitely not the invaders! Appalling how many I have had to show them how to even write a check and then understand a bank statement or their own checkbooks, or spell a word, and how to add and subtract and these are adults from our public school system!

          • I graduated from Public Schools in 1966. Thank God for the high
            caliber professional teacher that taught me. – What ever happened to
            people like that?

            Today most “educators” busted out of something else and are the absolute dregs unable to understand mathematics or science under any circumstances. . .

            The History Chanel is 10 times the teacher these bust outs could ever be,,,,I remember one show where one of the crewmen of the Enola Gay tols a story about giving a talk at a public school.- The master’s degree teacher introduces him as a “veteran of world war eleven”

            WTF, over ??????

            I graduated from Public Schools in 1966. Thank God for the high caliber professional teacher that taught me. – What ever happened to people like that?

          • Scott, they DO teach science, evolution, botany, etc., etc. Where are you getting these strange ideas? Did you go to a school sponsored by a church?

          • Religious schools teach creationism as the preferred of the two theories. Yes – theories – not “fact.”

          • Gee, I guess I went to the wrong Catholic schools but none of this was taught. It was understood that God created us all and we all have a mind to follow or not. Apparently, too many have sat in class and absorbed nothing but how to complain. We did learn how to study and discipline ourselves which is super important when you have a business or want to get a higher degree.

          • World built in 3 days, or whatever?

            How long is a “DAY” to God? – I sure as hell don’t know but it can make a lot of creationism a lot more plausible.

          • Again, John, I learned more about all these subjects and more in my Catholic high school and university. In fact, one of my university classmates had her thesis published in non-Catholic science journals. I had enough studies to learn to be a computer IT person. I had enough math, English, science of all kinds that I found worthwhile and no need to take again when studying to be an acupuncturist and Oriental Medical Doctor (we also study Western Medicine with those degrees. Obviously, your ignorance goes before you and you were either a lazy student or no student. Sorry, your life is a mess, but EACH OF US DETERMINES WHO AND WHAT WE WILL BE and that is exactly what Trump has done, as well as his children and why I am voting for a real, educated, intelligent, skilled man who loves America.

          • concerned educator

            One thing that came out of religion is I believe I was planned by an all powerful God (however he decided to do it). You believe you were just an accident.

          • Scott Campbell

            I never said “I believe I was just an accident”. What I said was, I am a result of evolution. Evolution is NOT an accident. It is a result of natural selection. Natural selection makes the best traits become the strongest. If mankind was “made by a god” , why did said god produce such a pitiful excuse for life? Why didn’t you gawd make all life impervious to disease? Why didn’t your gawd make life able to live forever? Why did you gawd make issues like downs syndrome and paranoid schizophrenia? Sound like an extremely incompetent planner. Or a raging psychopath who deliberately made life wrong .

          • concerned educator

            Did you ever think God (not gawd) made diseases so we would learn how to care and treat others, especially those weaker than ourselves..I had a sister in law with Downs and the family said she taught them to be patient and appreciate the little things in life Evolution, by itself, is an accident. My neice has schizophrenia and we don’t blame God. He has a reason for it and I am not smart enough. nor are others, to know why he does things .If .God planned for things to change it can still be through his planning evolution.. God doesn’t make accidents or mistakes I’m sorry your brain is unable to comprehend that .Perhaps if you open your heart to him, you will learn human life is not all about the strongest being the best. In your version changes happen not because they were meant to but by accident. If the accident happens to be advantageous than it will continue. I can see your hatred for God by the nasty way you spelled his name. Why are you so angry with him? I think life is a gift from God, I’m not angry with him because things happen to not go my way. Maturity doesn’t blame others. God didn’t make people able to live forever because he will take those that live by his laws and love him to live eternally with him. Sorry if we never meet but I’m going to Heaven and your going to worms.Now will you respond with more of your anger and hate?

          • God creates us with a mind and we make the decision to be stupid leading to illnesses, poverty, hate, racism, whatever. Because we have free will and can choose whatever. Can also blame a lousy diet causing and/or leading to serious diseases (also part of my business and studies) and administrations (most democrat) they want us to listen to them and let them, our employees, make our decisions and eat garbage. You choose what you eat, what you vote for, what products you use to clean yourself and home and office, the clothes you wear or don’t wear as we are seeing more and more undress, and nature has always had anomalies in all animal life and we are 9/10th animal and since, for example in CA when they stopped having blood tests for those applying for a marriage license, genes and blood problems are a major cause of so many unusual illnesses that we did not see when we were growing up. Too many taking street drugs and meds that can also affect their newborns. I see this all the time and it makes me think where in the world are people’s minds today. They give up their health, minds and bodies and blame someone else for their choices.

          • Go read up on Descartes. – If your reading comprehension and intellect is up to it any way. –

            It’s pretty deep, brother. – If you read and understand, though you will find out – proven with logic and mathematics and not some facacada bible thumping – why we are imperfect and that were are continuously created by a perfect supreme entity. ( and even granted free will too, no less! )

            You don’t want to call this entity “God” it’s on you. Use any name you want but if you are smart enough to understand Deceares complex logic – You will understand the existence of God and that we ware very imperfect. (and I’m one of the MOST imperfect.)

          • Tell a Muslim that.

          • That’s mOslem (They hate it when you spell it that way)

          • Ok, I will try to remember mOslem,

          • Sorry, wee Johnny, but you lie. I was not taught Catholic religion as you can tell from my last name – Jewish. I was appreciated as a learning student, and in fact, we were sent to another room while religion was being taught.

          • I was wondering about that…. Not too many Jewish Catholics.

            Shalom. my friend.

          • I am happy Christianity is not a religion. Rather, Christianity is a relationship with Jesus.
            Religion is when man tries to reach up and work his way to heaven. Christianity is Jesus reaching down to man and saving him through His shed blood on the cross.

          • Actually the foundation of religion is to have a relationship with our Creator, whereas today we see cults such as the white supremacists, mormons, and islam. Their idea of a god or goddess (for muslims) is something they have created. Our relationship is with God, our Creator, and Jesus and the Holy Spirit as the trinity He created. He sent Jesus to build a bridge for us with Him and I thank God every day for it. And, yes, Jesus did exist and now more and more proof is coming forth that he did, and he did die on the cross to save us and we can choose to or not to believe because God also gave us free will to choose or not to choose, to believe or not believe. I still am amazed at what Steve Jobs of Apple said as he was on his last breaths: Wow! Wow! Wow! Amazing what he was experiencing and it wasn’t “nothing”.

          • You need to Beam Up- Mr.Scott!!

          • Tell him John I’m with you . Public schools are a cesspool of socialist indoctrination .

          • Actually teaching islam and communism and nothing of value really in all grades today. We went to school from 8:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Today, they are there only a few short uninformative hours not learning what they should and need, but concentrating on islam, calling America names such as we are the warmongers, insulting our Founding Documents as passe, sexuality of all kinds are fine, religion is bad, but nothing they really need to know about America, its governance, its taking responsibility for yourself, real math, science, reading, writing, etc. You can’t learn much in 5 hours, especially when all it is is garbage! Great way to make slaves/serfs though.

          • They right.

            I’m a warmonger for sure, and want to exterminate the people that want to kill off all Americans that don’t convert to Islam. — Guess I am a real asshole to not want to have a peaceful coexistence with a foul malignant cancer.

            Some years back they called me a soldier and patriot.

            How times have changed.

          • “Gov. Jerry Brown has signed legislation requiring public schools to include the contributions of gay and lesbian people in their curriculum, making California the first
            state to adopt such a requirement.”

            A Silicon Valley lawmaker is gaining momentum with a bill that would require “climate change” to be among the science topics that all California public school students are
            taught. The measure, by state Sen. Joe Simitian, D-Palo Alto, also would mandate that future science textbooks approved for California public schools include climate change.”

            “PASADENA (CBSLA.com/AP) — A bill authored by a Pasadena lawmaker that encourages schools to teach about the historical significance of Barack Obama becoming the nation’s first African-American president is now California law.”

            “California students score at bottom of nation in reading, math!-By Sharon Noguchi
            California students continue to score near the bottom among states in math and
            reading, according to results of a national test released Thursday.The Golden State’s fourth-graders ranked 47th in the nation in both math and reading. Eighth-graders ranked 45th in math and 42nd in reading. And the scores show that the gap separating white students from their black and Latino peers in English and math is bigger in California than it is nationwide.”

          • Amen!

          • PoorPitifulPearl

            There are any number of private or co-op schools that stick strictly to math, science, language arts, etc. if that’s what you want for your children. The difference between what my daughter learned in school and what I learned left me bewildered as to why they left out so much history. Then when my grandson went to school, the watering down of the curriculum became apparent, and he had to learn a great deal on his own in order to get into the field of work he wanted. I have young friends whose children are now either in college or high school and we noticed that the homework is more like what we learned by the 8th grade, but the teachers’ comments and instructions are written as though they are just learning English. There don’t seem to be any standards except for Common Core and those so-called “standards” don’t begin to prepare kids for the real world of business, college, or otherwise. Scott Campbell is sorely misinformed about what private schools teach. He must have heard those lies from liberal teachers and pundits whose only job in life is to make our children just dumb enough to believe all their tactics.

          • Actually, I come from a large poor family on the wrong side of town but my parents who came to America wanted us well educated. So, when it came to my younger brother and me, we went to public school. After 3 yrs., my parents noted something was not right, got together $2 (which wasn’t easy in those days) and sent us to the nearest Catholic school to get educated. Glad they did, because now I have various degrees because I learned to think and be strong in myself and my knowledge base was wide and strong as well which enabled me to learn various other languages!

          • Yo John.

            Yogos start and run (for a while anyway)

            Kids coming out of public schools tosay are not good for anything short of keeping up on social media on the half a thousand dollar iPod their parents bought them.

          • Same here John Strom. I was a pupil in the public school system too before political correctness got injected into it by the anti-God faction. We did not have the social problems we have now; dangerous illegal drug use, shootings, home invasions, car jacking, mass murders to name a few things we never heard of when I was in elementary, high school and university. I was a science major. God is as real to me through Christianity as H2O and sunshine.

        • Not all do that . There are some, and if you are a good parent, you will not send your child to any school that neglects math, science, English , history and literature.

        • Don’t know what schools you have seen, but the Christian school my daughter went to taught the same Math, Physics, and Chemistry that I learned (Reg. Prof. Chemical Engineer). To mis-quote, “no generalization is true, especially yours”

          • Dis she learn biology? Was she taught anatomy? Was life sciences included? Unless your religious school broke protocol, no. Because without a proper course in evolution, the ones I mentioned are baseless, since evolutionary fact is the basis for all biology, anatomy and life sciences . As a chemical engineer, you should have been fully aware of this.

          • Sorry, but yes, we did learn all of that and much more. Which means we are a heck of a lot more learned than you will ever be. Learning requires an open mind, which obviously you lack.

        • Your ignorance is appalling; you speak like one who hates the idea that some schools might be faith-based, centered on Jesus Christ, and also do more than just an adequate job with secular subjects. Obviously, you know nothing about the excellence that marks the Lutheran Christian education system in the United States, a system staffed by professional Christian educators that does in fact turn out high-level professionals in many fields.

          • I have an IQ of 150 and a college GPA of 3.85. I live next to a religious school and have seen their “curriculum” . Any time you teach a religious beginning for life and man, you are teaching LIES. When a student is taught lies like creationism, you have destroyed their ability to learn facts and he truth.

          • I want this proof you have that shows ALL religions are lies. Cmon genius IQ, provide us with this evidence that backs up your almost, religious-like claim, that ALL religions are lies. Let’s see it Einstein.

          • Easy. Since there is NOT a tiny bit of proof od the veracity of any religion, it is proof of all being LIES. You christains have had 20 centuries to come up with some evidence , but continue to fail. Lack of evidence is evidence of lack.

          • I am not a Christian. I asked you to provide the peoof that ALL religions are false, not just Christianity. You specifically said ALL rigions are false but you do not have nor can you provide a single shred of evidence. Instead you claim that you know that I am a Christian having never met me, then you claim that it is incumbent upon Christians to provide your dumb and lying ass with the proof of that which they already believe. Furthermore, you cannot provide us with a single piece of evidence that definitively prove the THEORY of evolution. You also claim to be one of the smartest humans alive with an exceptionally high iq, but you dont even know that evolution is a theory!!! Lol!!! You are so full of shlt retard!!!

          • Scott Campbell

            You are an ignorant uneducated money Evolution is a Theory (capital T).A Theory is a body of knowledge which supports a hypothesis. Evolution has been proven BEYOND any doubt except by some mentally deficient thumpies. Most christains accept the facts in front of their face even if you are incapable of understanding 4th grade science.

          • concerned educator

            He thinks he’s superior. Read his posts he writes to me and see how unevolved he really is.

          • concerned educator

            There are many unexplainable things in life, that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

          • Even Einstein stated there is a God.

          • ESPECIALLY Einstein.

            The more you study, The better you understand, The more you are sure there is a God,,,,,Then there was this time at our bridge over the Song Ban Thoc river during the ’68 TET offinsive. ///// Who needs Descartes – No doubdt in my mind at all after that one.

          • You can no more prove that there is no God, just as much as one can prove there is. Yet you claim to be a genius. Maybe you are a sociopath as well. I don’t know, but I do know you are lacking in wisdom.

          • Like I told Super-Scott.

            With the use of logic and mathematics Rene’ Descartes proved beyond ANY doubt that something beyond himself existed. — And he used NO “bible stuff” to do it. Math and logic only.

            It’s pretty deep stuff but WELL worth studying. I’m not much of a religious type and hope this doesn’t sound too corny, but it brought me closer to the “Something beyond” I call God.

          • Hope you didn’t hurt your arm patting yourself on your back. So, the only conclusion I can come to is what I said above: “How Great Thou Art.”

          • We who do not know you personally have no proof of your self professed intelligence. In fact your need to somehow set yourself up as an authority in the absence of any facts presented to support your opinions, would leave one to believe you are another victim of the liberal mis-education system. Your beloved religion of One World Communism and atheism has killed millions in the 20th century And this is a verifiable fact.

          • A couple of corrections are necessary . 1) Communism is not a religion, it is a philosophical ideology. 2) I am very against a One world government. 3) I did not go to a liberal system, it was completely secular with a very conservative leaning. My school was geared toward learning useful information. NO religion was allowed. No liberal silliness was allowed.3) I am as anti-liberal as I am anti-religion.4 ) The alleged atheism killings you are pretending are blatant lies. Maybe you should actually study rom a real history book, not the fairy tale ones you did study. A) Hitler was a catholic. He had the full support of the catholic church and the pope in the slaughter of the millions of Jewish victims. B) Josef Stalin was Russian Orthodox and a member of the clergy. C) Mao Tse Tung was Shinto. D) Mussolini was roman catholic and personal friends with the pope. So much for your “verifiable fact”.

          • Actions speak louder than words. Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, and Mussolini might have “belonged” to a religion; but their actions negate any of the religions you outlined. All of them were mass-murderers, which erases any connection to their professed religions. BHO claims to be a Christian, but his actions label him a Muslim; and by his actions (or lack thereof) thousands upon thousands of people are dying in the name of religion…and it isn’t Christianity!!!!!

          • I would agree with you about their actions negating the religions except for the fact that the catholic church was fully in cahoots with Hitler and Mussolini. In the past , most mass murders were not only done with the support of the church, the church actually was responsible for numerous incidents. As for BHO , as far as I’m concerned, he is the biggest pile of crap ever. I agree with the statement that he is a muslim, not matter what he pretends.

          • Again, you are a fool and have no truths about this but hearsay. The Catholic Church was not in cahoots but worked (Pope Pius was a coward but then so are many of us) to free and save and help those persecuted. Since my spouse lived under Hitler and Stalin, he has more information and truth than you will ever have about anything but especially the Catholic Church. He was raised Lutheran and they tried as well to help their people. You have no real knowledge or experience, so best to stop sputtering stupidities. However, the muslims were helping Hitler because he liked killing and so do they.

          • concerned educator

            I can claim im anything i want to claim. That doesn’t make me so These leadets didnt follow the teachings pf those eligions and therfore wete not Catholic Easterm Orthodpx etc

          • There are 6 Catholic Churches, Greek, Roman, Marianist, etc. and all have beautiful services to worship our God. Might want to look in your phone book and attend services in one or all as I had to do as a required class in my Catholic University that includes other sects, churches, etc. Great grounding for my beliefs today. I came from a Jewish background but that was my first time in a synagogue and it was an intriguing service, especially when I know it to be the base of my Catholic faith. By the way, watch PBS because they tend to from time to time to give the history of faiths.

          • Clown. Josef Stalin was an atheist Communist. He never did anything to promote the Greek Orthodox religion. Mao Tse Tung as an adult was an atheistic Communist and never did his killings in the name of Shinto. Why would a Chinese follow a Japanese religion? Even if you choose to believe the Holohoax, Hitler did not kill in the name of Catholicism. Mussolini was not a mass murderer, I am not aware he was ever accused of that. I never claimed authority for myself. You seemed to feel the need to puff yourself up by claiming, doubtfully a high IQ and a GPA of 3.85. Somehow you think this means everyone should take everything you say and just not even think for themselves. Typical commie.

          • Shinto is a Japanese belief system, not China’s. Mao was an outright greedy peasant similar to Hitler who gained power and it is estimated killing some 60-70 millions of Chinese and it still hurts the country to this day. I had many Chinese teachers whose families were sent to the villages to grow food and had no knowledge of how to do so, so millions starved to death as well. The peasants or farmers were sent to the big cities and knew nothing about business, so more failures and deaths. Or, as my spouse will tell you, the only good thing from Mao was enforcing education on the Chinese because before that only the elites and beloved an emperor were allowed to be learned. Today in China you will run into a few real communists, but surprisingly most are in the Catholic Churches (even in Malaysia, a truly islam country), then there are the 7th Day Adventists, Presbyterians, Methodists, etc. because in their hearts they know there is a creator and he is good. They are not ill-educated today so can filter out whatever they believe and not be forced to attend communist camps every year, etc. AND, men, they have beautiful!! females in their armies by choice! Mussolini was a nasty pig in more ways than one, but not a mass murderer. Really, need to catch up on history those who in their hearts believe but let their minds tell them differently. Golly, exactly why so many disbelievers wind up being believers. Amazing!

          • So, you are perfect? Of course, there is evil everywhere and that includes in some religions but many choose to cover themselves with the word “religion or religious” as do the muslims just to con people. I like a statement I heard many years ago: The Catholic Church moves ahead 2 steps and then there is a 1 step backwards because of what you are saying, but after 2000 years it is still here. Hmmm.

          • Hey superbrain,

            Just what is you “useful degree” in?

          • Scott Campbell

            You talk about being an authority without any facts, yet you believe in a gawd because someone told you, you had to. Since you put forth the existence of a gawd, provide facts to support the claim. You need to show evidence to support the claim of its existence. Thumpies have had 1800 years to provide proof, but have NEVER shown any evidence of even the possibility of a gawd.

          • No, not because someone told me. I became a Catholic because it is based on reason and truth. I did not buy a pig in a poke like you. I have a reasoning very capable mind!

          • OK, 150.

            Let’s see you take Descartes apart…..

            Start here……

          • You’re wasting your time with this guy. It’s like trying to reason with a drunk or talking to a telephone pole.

          • concerned educator

            Catholic school taught God created the world. We were taught a day didnt necessarily mean the 24 hrs we now see a day as and were told a “day” could have been many many years and many changes could have happened in that day. Actually. I have. MS and a 3.85 zGPA And nevet cared tp have my IQ tested because the StanfordBinet testing is pnly one form of testing. If youre sp smart youd realize that.there are many different intelligences

          • Gollyly: I also have a very high IQ and a grade average of 4+ and you are one sorry individual. No matter, God still loves you! Any curriculum I had in Catholic schools was far and away better than in any other schools. I can believe the Lutherans and others are truly teaching the best while you and yours attended public schools and came away with nothing much. Thank goodness, however, there are public school students who go on their own to really learn!

          • Yea, What’s your degree in. Humane letters from Podunk U as a professional student?

            I cant remember my GPA (And I escaped MANY classes with a “C”: but after 10 years of part time study while working as Ghetto Cop on the east side of Cleveland I got my degree is in Welding Engineering from Ohio State in 1980. During that time got married, Bought 2 houses and had 2 boys (We are still married BTW)

            Oh – My officially recorded IQ is 165…… and my mommie doesn’t have to dress me with Velcro shoes….I’m partial to Redwing Boots, in fact.

          • Maybe, but still without and adequate education. NO evolution taught , no life sciences taught.

          • Actually Scott they are taught evolution as a theory. How ever, being raised as a Christian they most often will see it as just that a theory and will probably be more likely go with their faith-based theory. They just do not dwell on it or take it as a fact as public schools teach. They also teach life sciences as well. Sex Ed is taught but parents can opt their children out of this one if they feel it is better taught by them.

          • Says who?

            I was first introduced to Descartes by a Nun before I made my first Communion. – Didn’t understand a single word,,,,but later when I was in the 9th grade I started to get it and by the time I got drafted I was hip.

            Don’t give me any bullcrap that Catholic, or any other faith based schools do not teach life sciences. You telling me there is no paleontology department at Notre Dame ?

            Try this from Science Daily for starts ,,,,…………………………………………………………………

            Date:September 30, 1997Source:University Of Notre DameSummary:The skull of what is believed to be the largest
            Tyrannosaur on record has been seriously damaged rom by poachers on the
            northeastern Montana cattle ranch where the fossilized dinosaur skeleton
            was found, according to University of Notre Dame paleontologist J Keith Rigby.
            Date:September 30, 1997Source:University Of Notre DameSummary:The skull of what is believed to be the largest
            Tyrannosaur on record has been seriously damaged by poachers on the
            northeastern Montana cattle ranch where the fossilized dinosaur skeleton
            was found, according to University of Notre Dame paleontologist J.
            Keith Rigby.

            .
            What’d You think Rigby just hung around the lunch room or what? – He was a professor and taught classes in paleontology. – Which, if you didn’t know is an integral part of evolution.

            Maybe some bible belt fanatic school but any actual accredited school has to abide by the same standards or they loose their certs.

            I’m OSU, Just where did YOU fo to colage? .

        • BOTH Creationism and evolution are THEORIES! Put that in your craw and grind it!

          • You are a moron. Evolution is a proven FACT. The fact that you have no clue what a Theory is just speaks to your complete lack of understanding science. A Theory in science is a compendium of knowledge supporting the beginning hypothesis. Your ignorance does not change the facts. NO educated person pretends evolution is wrong and creationism is real. Creationism is a stupid idea put forth by uneducated monkeys who will never understand the difference between fact and stupid religious superstition. Get a third grade science book and learn something. Maybe some day you will become a useful member of society.

          • A theory is a pondering, a question, an idea. Evolution is a theory you assclown. Just as religion and mathematics are. The fact that you berate random people on the internet with your imagined superiority is highly laughable!!! You are a clown. You are an irate waste of reproductive fluids as well. Where did the bad man touch you? Evolution is a theory you stupid motherfucker.

          • Clearly you are uneducated. Get a dictionary and look up the word Theory. When you have figured out how to use a dictionary and looked up the word, maybe you’ll get it. Evolution is a PROVEN FACT.

          • SCOTT, YOU ARE A DUM A$$,AND UNEDUCATED,GO AHEAD AND BELIVE IN
            EVOLUTION. WAS YOUR DADDY A BABOON OR A MONKEY ???????????

          • It is true that many scientists do fully “believe” it is a proven “fact.”
            Evolution might well have happened, I don’t know how the Creator formed the earth and life on it.
            Of course you most likely don’t “believe” in a Creator.
            Evolution and Creationism are both still “faith walks.” Not proven.
            It is high time that we understand that humans really can’t really “prove” very much about anything that happened long, long ago.
            But, I suspect it was good for you to release you bile on this website. Perhaps now you won’t kick your poor dog today.

          • Evolution has been proven BEYOND a shadow of doubt. Scientists do not “believe” evolution. They accept the fact of evolution. Incidentally, MOST Christians also accept the facts right in front of their faces.

          • Certainly many Christians accept evolution, but they still “believe” it was brought about by a Creator/Designer, they call God.
            I don’t disbelieve evolution; I just know it can’t be proven. And it didn’t happen without a Designer.
            Be truthful with yourself about this: You and I are both on our “faith walks.”

          • concerned educator

            I believe God had a plan and God is never wrong. Man wrote the Bible and man is fallible. Man didn’t know how to write until tens of thousands of years after he was on earth, so he doesn’t fully know what and how God planned things. Most Christians believe in evolution and when I was in Catholic school the sisters that taught me never denied evolution. They taught God planned it that way. I’m glad to know I was planned by an Almighty of infinite wisdom than I was just an accident

          • Want to compare educational levels and being a “useful member of society” with me?
            Write me about YOUR achievements in those areas.

          • 20 Years as a volunteer firefighter, 3 Years as a volunteer firefighter. 200 to 300 calls a year, while working 60to 70 hours a week at my job. Any time of the day or night. Any weather, 90 degrees or 20 below zero. Saving lies while risking yours is the ultimate “useful member of society”. Did it for free, did not even get paid for the thousand of gallons of gasoline used

          • I am a retired school teacher, and now take in the homeless (only those who “want” a new life). I enter into their lives, encourage them and use my own money to help them achieve a new life.
            I agree that you have done MUCH to help folk. I do admire you.

          • It is nice to know there are people like you still out there. It is getting crazy the way some people no longer help anyone. That is the reason I spent the time I did in the FD.

          • Your vehicle must get Horrible gas mileage. What are you driving? an M-60 tank?

            Volunteer FireFIGHTER.??? All the fire guys I know call themselves FireMEN and we called ourselves PoilceMEN.

            Just how many good works dose a volunteer “firefighter”: do a week there in Bugrtussle? Our guys might be on 3-a DAY.

            . — Hey. I delivered 14 babys in the 8 months I worked the lower end wagon in Cleveland and I was a cop!

            Dear child, You don;e even know what a fireman is.

            And what IS your day job? – Pizza delivery man?

          • concerned educator

            Many of the great scientist don’t deny God

          • Okay, how’s this? I’m taller than my mother; my daughter is taller than I am; both my sons are taller than their father; my daughter’s son is taller than his father. If that’s not evolution, I don’t know what is.

          • Really! If you have studied evolution at all, you would know it is a very, very slow process. Doesn’t happen in a couple of generations!
            What you are witnessing is a function of the specific possible genetic traits within each person’s DNA that can express certain traits, not evolution.

          • concerned educator

            After wwll europeams wete shorter fpr a generation
            Becausee they were less nurished dur to food shortages during the war. They have growm taller inn the last generation due to better nutrition. That doesnt prove evolution or non evolution

          • Thanks for your input!

          • Scott Campbell

            I’m confused. In one post , you act as if evolution does not happen.. Here , you plainly state evolution does indeed happen. Which is it?

          • Scott Campbell

            Creationism is not a theory, it is a hypothesis. Evolution is a Theory. A Theory in science is a body of knowledge which for all intents and purposes is accepted as FACT. I You say you are a retired teacher, I should not have to explain this to you.

        • David Witenstein

          Do you honestly believe your ignorant bullshit? Your not worth the breath.

        • concerned educator

          I went to Catholic school in 50-60s and got a good education.and also learned science If you didn’t attend shut your mouth because you don’t know what your talking about

          • Really? Did you take biology? Anthropology? Anatomy? Life sciences? Botany? Zoology? Since you went to a catholic school , it is highly unlikely you were taught about evolution. Since evolution is the basis for all of these subjects, your classes in these (if any) would be woefully incomplete and thus useless.

          • concerned educator

            Yes we were taught evolution. Youngsters are not taught anthropology but we were taught about other cultures and civilizations. i don’t think you ever attended a class in a Catholic school so you dont k ow crap about what they teach. You just believe the idiots that are teaching you prejudices about thesr schools. Youre the uneducated one We also learned knowledge is power and sounding intelligent by havimg good grammar is powerful

          • Scott Campbell

            “Concerned educator”? Right. Lets teach our students bronze age fairy tales instead of science and other actual subjects. Good job, “educator”. You can’t even use proper punctuation.

          • concerned educator

            The keys on the phone are a little too small for my fingers. Nai

          • Scott Campbell

            That is why I am using a computer. Keys on a phone are always too small. And , when you use speech to text, the spell and grammar check almost always change your posts.

          • Mentor Ohio Shore Jr, High- 7th Grade-1961. We were taught basic anthropology in science class.- (I hated it)

          • concerned educator

            We were taught God Created all we were taught ond day diidnt mean it had to be what we call a day (24hrs) and therefore changes could take place That allowed for evolutionary changes. By being taught there is no chance of anything other than evolution and denied a variety of possible theories you w r re taugjt a narrow education. We lrarned about Lucy andearly finds and various cultures but you were pigeon holed by mot allowing the possibility of God

          • I would take it even further. I think Scott was abused by not being given a chance to use his own mind to decide what he really believed. He was a product of what is called: Ideological Subversion.
            That is an interesting issue. If you are interested you can Google that.

          • Scott Campbell

            I never needed a “chance to use my mind”. I never accept anything anyone tells me , without my own research. I figured out just how insane religion was when I was 8 years old. I went to a vacation bible school that summer. It was so easy for me to figure out that religion is big pile of BS that I can’t understand how any adult could fall for it. I guess people just an not think.

          • Ah, now it comes out “your own research” which means you either didn’t research many approached or you don’t understand what real research involves. 8 years of age? Hmmm. Guess your family was just wonderful. At 8 I was already ahead in my classes and attending public school at that time and had good teachers, but our parents removed us because the atmosphere and teaching was changing and didn’t like the way it was going. I thank them daily for sending me to a Catholic school where I had an outstanding education which meant being poor and getting scholarships to high school and university was a blessing for me to be learned and move on up in the world. They were strict parents and knew the value of education since much was denied them, but they self-educated as well and knew we needed a good education for our future. Have never been brainwashed, but it appears you have and I will pray for you!

          • You forget one HUGE detail. According to the bible, all life was “created” exactly the same as it is now. That denies evolution, which is like denying gravity.

          • concerned educator

            I saw nothing in Genesis that said life was created “exactly” like it is now. Besides men wrote the bBible and men make mistakes. God never does .An all powerful planned me however he chose to do it isn’t a problem to me but I’d much prefer to think I was planned than I’m just an accident

          • The “atheists” actually consider the Bible as a science textbook, which they desperately want to prove wrong. The Bible, (nor the writers) never presented itself as a “science textbook.”
            The Bible presents itself as a plan of salvation by a loving Creator. But, the word “believe” is repeatedly used.
            That means being a follower of the Creator and His Son, The Christ, is a FAITH walk. Evolution, as it is presented by today’s science, cannot be used as “fact” or “proof” of this theory. The creation of life may or may not be much like secular science presents it.
            Therefore, to believe in evolution as it now presents, you must be a BELIEVER and are also on a FAITH walk. Is it not ironic that atheistic believers, hate the Christian believers so very much?
            I don’t hate them, they can “believe” as they wish! I just see no reason for them to attack us. They are believers too! lol

          • Frankly, I have no dispute with evolution just looking around I see where it has affected a lot of humans and their minds, like yours. However, evolution logically had to start somewhere. It just didn’t appear, thank you, and science can also prove that.

          • Retrograde evolution in this moron’s case. . Wounder if his knuckles drag on the ground?

          • Who’s bible,,,what translation?

            In German or in Aramaic.

            BTW In my day the Catholic Church didn’t blindly adhere to any bible in any language.

            Didn;t your fantastic education at your top line colage teach you rhat? ,,,,FOOL

          • You keep repeating the same thing time and again, which means you don’t have a clue and your brain is a zombie. I bet you didn’t learn anything in your schooling, and we didn’t call it life sciences either. I learned enough science and math to help me become a good computer IT person, and get top grade in my acupuncture Master’s and Doctorate studies as well. What were your grades? Go study some Cosmology and this might open your mind a wee bit, but I doubt it because you would never really want to be informed. Your blood pressure must be off the charts with the venom you spew.

        • concerned educator

          Do you really believe that garbage that children that attend religious schools don’t become doctors or scientists. or do you just hate the idea God could exist so much you make up ridiculous statements? Explain then, why do many doctors and scientists do believe in God?

          • Scott Campbell

            Less than % of doctors and scientists believe in a god. As or “hating god’ , I don’t hate god any more than Voldemort, since they are both fictional charactors

          • Where in the hell did you get THAT bullshit?

        • You are so full of B.S. about Christian schools it only depicts how ignorant you are about them.

        • That’s not my experience, Scott. I taught science at a Christian school and won awards doing it. Several students of the school are doctors, scientists, and engineers. By the way, Newton was a devout Christian. Here’s a list of more Christians who made significant contributions to science https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology

        • No bias hanging out here, eh, Scott?

        • And public schools are little more than socialist indoctrination machines with some actual useful education thrown in as an afterthought.

        • I beg your pardon!. I taught at a Catholic high school in Florida, and their science program won awards at competitions. Those kids definitely got a good solid background in math and science as well as the other subjects they took. Where did you get this idea about Christian schools anyway, from the Spanish Inquisition?

        • The above statement is absolutely false. Do you realize that the first colleges and universities in this country were founded and financed by religious organizations?

        • That’s not true with all religious schools. The public schools are presently run by political social engineers and unions.

        • Scott did your children go to a Christian school? No??? Then what the hell do you know about private Christian schools?? My daughter went to a Christian school through 9th grade then to a public school for high school! She did not become a Christian because she went to this school. She became a Christian because I raised her as one and took her to church with me!
          While at this Christian school the local news did a study on education. They did a comparison of public, private (both Christian and parochial) and home schooling. Guess who came out head and shoulders ahead of the others?? Yes… those evil indoctrinating private schools (sarcasm). When my daughter brought home her report card, I noticed a PHS on the back where it noted her progress. It stood for post high school, she was in the 4th grade! She remains friends with many of her fellow students from this school as well as college who are republicans as well as democrats! She had two of the students in private school who have come out gay, one girl and one young man who have mostly been accepted by those who knew them well. The reason for this is because as Christians they are taught to love everyone! My daughter is now a successful marriage and family therapist with her own private practice. She specializes in children who have experienced abuse or trauma. I would guess that most of them attended the school public system.
          Christian schools have to teach the same subjects as public schools. Many people believe because they are private pay that the teachers get higher wages than public. No, they actually get paid less! They choose to teach at these schools because they are also Christian and they feel they are ACTUALLY teaching these kids rather than babysitting and indoctrinating them into socialism. They do that by teaching the old fashioned way. They are not hampered by the socialist expectation that they demand of public schools and they are not hampered by the ESL situation. Most importantly they have fewer ”problem students” the way public schools do because the majority of parents have raised them to be thoughtful, loving and respectful of others!

        • Sorry, Scott, but our local grade and high school Catholic schools are turning out some of the best students and many of those students are NOT Catholic but their parents want them to be well educated and not indoctrinated in anything such as islam, loose sex, poor English, lacking math, etc. Your blindness means you are mentally leftist.

        • Our kids went to a Christian school from K through 12 (son) and K through 8 (daughter) before we moved to a different city. They were not taught by priests etc but by certified, very capable teachers, and they were taught ALL subjects, including science and all its theories. They were also taught that there is absolutely Right and Wrong and they are responsible for their decisions and the consequences. Now my son is in college (no criticisms there) but my daughter is in a public highschool. They are allowed cell phones in class and weed in the hallways (it’s actually forbidden but rule is not enforced), just to name a couple things. They have an anti-lgbt bullying day (why not just anti-bullying for everyone?) every year. None of this was allowed at their Christian school. I’m so thankful that both our kids had the foundation of 9 to 13 years at the Christian school or those kinds of things would possibly be affecting them much differently.

        • Margaret MacGregor

          So why do the students in private Christian schools outperform those in public school in every subject?

        • Correction Scott. I went to Christian schools and public schools. The Christian schools were strict about learning. They do and did teach science and also about the Bible. Christian schools are so much further advanced than public schools. When I went from 6th grade in a Christian school to 8th grade in public school, I skipped 7th and they didn’t catch it, the public school was teaching in 8th grade everything I had already learned back in 6th grade at the Christian school. Our class sizes in Christian schools were anywhere between 40 and 50 students per class, and we HAD TO LEARN or else, unlike public schools and the majority of pampered do nothing teachers, with small class sizes. As a young adult, I liked the public school better. WHY? Because I got lazy, and was able to pass my classes in public school with very little effort. after 8th grade in public school, my parents sent me back to Catholic school for 9th grade. After 9th grade, I chose the easy path and finished 10th through 12th grade in public school. Most children are lazy by nature, and I was one at that time. Colleges know most graduates from Christian schools far exceed graduates from public schools, that is why graduates from Christians schools are accepted way more and faster, and get into better colleges than graduates from public schools. As an adolescence, even back then, I could see the Christian schools were far more Superior to public schools. And John E. Strom Jr. is correct. Public schools do indoctrinate children into hating corporations that
          manufacture the goods and services we need, make the children feel
          guilty about “white privilege”, try to tell children that homosexuality
          is just another lifestyle and other leftist manure.

        • Scott Campbell you appear to have been indoctrinated by the anti-God, anti-Christian faction. Show us the evidence that graduates of “religious” schools “have no chance to become scientists, doctors, etc.” I don’t care if you believe in Charley Darwin’s theory–it’s your affair. Now using Darwin’s theory(s) please explain how consciousness and self awareness got here. Rene Decartes said, “I think, therefore I am.” He came before Darwin. I will not attempt to convince you of anything but I look at the history of human existence and note that the living organism called “mankind” has had a belief in a “GOD” for quite a long time as the science of archaeology shows. We wait on the evidence requested above. Thank you.

        • Perhaps you are missing the Point!

          SCHOOLS, whether parochial or public, have ONE OVERRIDING RESPONSIBILITY!

          … which is …. To Teach the students (every one) HOW TO THINK!

          This is a Duty which has been breached primarily in public schools, BECAUSE …

          To THINK is to QUESTION …. which them grows into >> CHALLENGE THE STATUS QUO!

          Teacher’s Unions could Not Tolerate such Disobedience!

      • Actually the downfall of our educational systems began in the early 60’s when the feds used OUR tax monies to own the systems, and then the unions! I stopped teaching because of not being able to teach. I also have a lifetime teaching certificate which was stopped a long time ago because the majority of teachers were not teaching nor had the real capability to handle a large classroom. At one time I had 100 students and no problems and I knew how to teach. As to Common Core that was pushed by Microsoft’s Bill Gates (somewhat despicable man in all) and is a very recent last few years of saying math is not static. Duh! 2 x 2 will always 4 as does 2 + 2 and not 5 as being taught under CC. If I did not know good spelling and grammar in English, I certainly could not write newsletters and health material in other languages and do it right!

        • God bless you my friend.

          It’s seams you were a professional teacher, and extinct species. Now days 95 or better of the “teachers” busted out of some other discipline and saw teaching as a way to make a killing without having to perform. – When they have any problem at all it’s either ADD or the parent’s fault. – Fact is it is ALWAYS TDD. – Teacher Deficit Disorder.

          What other Trade, profession or whatever could still be in business without turning out a saleable product in the last 30 plus years.

          Hey, I’m obsolete too, – White American working man who takes responsibility for his shortcomings or failures (And wants to control his own destiny keep his earnings and not support the communists that are taking over)

          • Thanks again Mathew. Now you’re an even better Great American. Gave you high marks way up above this post. I was taught by great teachers. Those are mostly extinct now replaced by union members who are interested only in their paychecks, breaks and off days.

        • I understand your sentiments. I bailed out of the public school system after sixteen years. The administration actually wanted teachers to be glorified baby-sitters and teach the “test.”

      • Common Core is lacking in several important ingredients. The most important one in particular–Common Sense.

      • ALL private schools need to be eradicated as in France.

    • It is unfortunate that, despite what you have to say, it is those on the right which tend to be somewhat ignorant. Just take a look at the stuff the Texas school people have come up with.

      • This is an example of religion causing harm to education.

        • And it is the reason we will be raising our children to believe in all sorts of things. This will not prepare them for the real world they will have to face; but it will make them ignoramuses.

          • Scott Campbell

            It has to be the parent’s responsibility to overcome the damage caused by religious schools. Unfortunately people who send their children to religious schools don’t care about a real education. All they care is that their children are brainwashed into believing fairy tales. PS, I am not a liberal or religious conservative. I am a moderate atheist. NO religious training should be allowed in any school. School is for learning facts and learning how to learn.

          • This Lutheran Christian agrees with you 100%. Religious indoctrination has no place in our public, and therefore secular, schools. There are plenty of religious schools around for parents who want that for their children. I believe those schools should get no tax breaks from the government and that they should never be on the dole for those wretched vouchers. That we would allow a voucher system like this where the government is actually funding religious training is a disgrace and a slap in the face to the thousands of public school teachers who bust their butts everyday doing all they can to educate kids.

          • Scott Campbell

            There are many very good teachers in the public school system. Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad teachers, too. I suspect this is the same in religious schools. I also do not accept the idea that public money should go to religious schools. I also think that should include private schools. I would give parents a discount on school taxes when they send their kids to religious schools or private schools. I am a firm believer that no religious institution ( including churches and priests /ministers) should get tax breaks. Many are nothing more than money making businesses. They should get no more special treatment than any other business.

          • Like where?
            They are all dunderheads (like you) that busted iut of something else any more.
            They havn;t turned out a saleable product in over 30 years.

    • Actually I think that is why we have fed/union invasion of our educational systems because then we will be great slaves/serfs under their communism takeover of America, so be sure and vote for Trump to block our takeover by One World Government/New World Order which is the last step for America with any DNC candidate! Scares the hell out of me having lived and worked under socialism and my spouse under Hitler and Stalin, so both miserable types of administration. We, the People Are The Government and time we took back OUR America and flunk all the liberals, registered socialists and communist in our Congress and WH, and live free again.

    • Might as well wear our drawers down around our azz Cheeks too!

  3. I think it is downright rude to point out the misspellings and missing commas on another person’s post. BUT, that doesn’t mean that they don’t drive me wild. In fact, I am more disturbed by the mistakes in blog posts and newsfeeds. Apparently, no one actually edits anymore. It looks like everyone must use Dragon Software and let their/there, too/two/to, etc. fall where they may. The rules were not written to keep anyone down, but to facilitate communication. There are times when a simple misplaced comma can have me reading a sentence several times to glean proper understanding. It behooves one to learn the rules.
    No, I am neither rich, male, nor highly educated.

    • The gross mistakes from the supposed “professional” journalist drive me crazy.

    • Alice, I hesitate to point this out, but are you WHITE?

    • Agree, BUT I was taught in 3rd thru HS, the importance of proper Grammer and spelling, I won many spelling bees, also told it was BAD Manners to point out other’s short comings, yet there are many on these sites, even saying a correct word is wrong. This has nothing to do with white privilage, it was taught in schools in all areas, just lately in last 20 years or so, that it didn’t matter. Oh Yes, YOU have to go to school to learn, bring back the old fashion Truant officer, this would cut down on crime as well they might learn to speak and spell correctly.

      • Margaret MacGregor

        I wonder how you won many spelling bees when you can’t even spell GRAMMAR correctly. You also misspelled PRIVILEGE.

        • Since I graduated from HS 1949 at age 16, I’ll let you guess my age, too bad your Mother didn’t teach you manners. And I have a box of Holy Cards and Medals that I won in Grade school. I keep them to this day, showed them to kids and grandkids to encourage them to learn. They all are grown and have great jobs.

          • Did you graduate from high school during the time period that did not have 12 grades, but only 11? My mother graduated at age 17 after completing 11 grades, in 1939. I don’t know when the educational system added grade “12”.

          • In Virginia 12 grades started for either class of 1950 or ’51. I went to Catholic school and started early, had 8th grade, turned 17 after graduating and went on to Georgetown Univ.

          • Margaret MacGregor

            My mother never attended high school (left school at 14) but she knew how to spell. And she taught my sister and I great manners, thank you! My comment stands.

    • John E Strom Jr.

      We guessed that, with a name like “Alice” you weren’t male! 😉

  4. It is a reflection of either poor education or laziness when you see ” I seen It “, “he come down ” , “There going home” ” There guns ” etc. I discount the message as being from someone too lazy or too ignorant to have it right.

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      • Brandi, this post has nothing to do with the article that it appears under. It is a nuisance. Please remove it.

        • Your posting to a robot, using a facebook page. They are auto generated. Just mark as spam, click the down arrow button.

        • John E Strom Jr.

          Sue, she couldn’t remove it if she tried. This is the downside of sites such as this one. The owner wants “clicks”, LOTS of clicks. The more clicks the more money they will make when they sell ad space or do their IPO. Just ignore Brandi Berry and if we’re lucky she will go away. Suffice to say it’s a scam.

    • The real problem is that most posts are emotional responses. They are not academic papers. Many who cannot key(type) well become frustrated by grammar czars. While the criticizism of the educational system is accurate, ill manners are also to be condemned.

      • John E Strom Jr.

        Then, perhaps, they shouldn’t post. If they can read at a sufficient level to be offended then they can take the time to craft an intelligent response. If they aren’t willing to do that then why should we worry about their laziness or disinterest.

        • Think of it this way. People get a chance to express themselves. It is more important that they do, than be grammatically correct. As far as the grammar police, they are the ones who interrupt the flow of the discussion.
          The attempt to divert the discussion is a way of invalidating to post ,without the courage to disagree.

  5. I think the miss use of grammar and misspelling are a reflection of the poor education our children get in school these days. If the teachers can’t spell or talk properly how do they expect to teach our kids..

    • Drummeriam, you were apparently a recipient of that poor education. Or are you telling us that Miss Use is the name of the teacher who taught you to misuse that word? 😉

  6. Today, the best writers are the ones who can make the words on the paper say what the reader wants to hear. If a well-placed grammatical error advances that purpose, then the writer succeeds.

  7. 50 years of teacher unions have finally done it.

    • carter created the DoED IN 1979, indoctrinating public schools by teaching things like:
      • The American Revolution was flawed because it failed to free the slaves, that America’s Founding Fathers were a bunch of patriarchal slaveholders.
      • World War I and II were fought to help America’s imperialist allies retain their colonies worldwide.
      • Joseph McCarthy was wrong about there being communists in the U.S. government.
      • Johnson’s “war on poverty” is an excellent example of how government programs can make the world a better place, while leaving out that he said “I’ll have those naggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
      • Government programs, statism, and socialism are good. Private enterprise and free markets are bad.

      Trump is the only one saying he will fix the DoED, he has my vote!!!

      • Absolutely correct; our education has fallen from among the first in the world down to the level of Zimbabwe due to these two factors:
        1) Lyndon Johnson reversed Roosevelt policy of no government employees unions in 1965; and
        2) That low-IQ bloviating gasbag Carter formed the Department of “Education”.

        • And don’t forget COMMON CORE !!! Our education system stopped as third party vendors began selling to schools, not products that were good and worked but ones that made them money…That is what killed American thru High School education and the LIBERAL Profs killed off the college education…so guess where that leaves the future of American..

      • No, Trump is not the only one saying he will fix the DOE. It doesn’t need to be fixed, it needs to be ENDED. Ted Cruz says he will abolish the DOE and return the control of education to the states. Trump doesn’t even understand what Common Core is. Choose Cruz, not Trump.

        • Actually Snooze stole that position from Trump, but who’s really paying attention right?

          • Edward ,I guess Paul F won’t to live in a 3rd world country. With One World Order.One World Government, Border open from Mexico to Canada. Cruz has never had a clue about nothing, All he ever says Donald said this ,Donald said that.He is so afraid to but out what he really stand for,Afraid the brainwashed people will see what is. A lying Hypocrite

          • Ellender Brown, what school did you go to? When you said, “Edward ,I guess Paul F won’t to live in a 3rd world country. ” Did you mean, “Edward, I guess Paul F wants to live in a 3rd world country. And when you said, “Cruz has never had a clue about nothing,”, did you mean, “Cruz has never had a clue about anything.” (That’s a period at the end of the sentence not a comma)?

          • Alert! GRAMMAR POLICE!
            Although I admit to doing the ugly thing a time or two. LOL

          • Well, I’m paying attention. They don’t have the same position, so how could Cruz have stolen a position? Trump says he wants to “fix” the DOE, but never says how he’ll do that. Cruz will dismantle the DOE. That’s a DIFFERENT position. Cruz actually articulates CONSISTENT conservative positions and actions, and they are documented on his website and in hundreds of hours of interview video. Trump has no actual positions on issues, because he contradicts himself every time he opens his mouth. And you’re ok with that? You Trump people project Trump’s many vices on Cruz. You could set a clock by it.

        • John E Strom Jr.

          Never, Paula. Ted Cruz is not the patriot he pretends to be – and wife Heidi is a former member of the CFR and supporter of the New World Order, helped draft the NAFTA “free trade” agreement and wrote a piece about a North American nation including the USA, Canada, Mexico and Central America and how we will raise the income level of the poor and down trodden. A man is known by what he sleeps with. I do NOT trust Trd Cruz. I don’t think he’s a patriot. Donald Trump IS a patriot.

          • Yes! The elites going bananas in fear that DT really will rain on their parade SHOULD be telling these folk “something.”
            But it doesn’t matter to them.

          • John E Strom Jr.

            Clean the GOP barn out, remove all of the animals in that barnyard. Primary OUT John McCain by supporting Kelli Ward who is running against him. She IS a patriot unlike this phony war hero McCain. HE needs to retire. Also call your representatives and tell them America needs a patriot as speaker of the house. What we have now is a turdblossom politician stabbing Donald Trump in the back while pretending he’s NOT running for president. He and Reince Priebus are trying to engineer a coup so we end up with a brokered convention. What a Judas is our Paul Ryan. A proud member of the Wisconsin Mafia [along with Governor Scott Walker and GOP Chair Reince Priebus] trust none of them.

      • Take care MLVC and look at his past record. You show me your a true conservative so look a Ted Cruz and his real record. Do not give any weight to the lies about him look at his record, he has one and it’s a good one. Trump may yet win the nomination but I wonder if he can win with his past. His past is going to catch up to him when he goes against the Democrat.

  8. Judge Judy has migraines whenever minorities try to talk on her show,
    she has to correct them all the time,

    and then tells them to stay in school,

    but public schools are the problem!!!

  9. POLITICALLY CORRECT BULLS!*T…. MORE POOR, PATHETIC VICTIMS – people don’t get that I am not writing a paper so screw them! if they’re critical – this posting is a Conversation!!!!!! – not a resume… NO MORE PITIFUL… “VICTIMS!” PEOPLE DO CRITICIZE… SOME!…. ARE! JUST… JERKS!! …. GROW UP! HANDLE IT!!….

    • Carol: You are yelling at all of us. Do you know internet etiquette? All capitals indicate yelling. If you did not capitalize, you would still get your word to all concerned.

  10. Why they don’t blame the white teacher that didn’t teach good grammar rules to the poor minority students?

  11. Francisco Machado

    Articles, features, news, editorials – much of it, I suspect more than half, is published with no proofreading. Meaning is sometimes lost or ambiguous and having to break down and rebuild a sentence to derive its meaning interrupts the comprehension of information. Figuring out what is intended when the actual meaning of a word used is inappropriate to the meaning of the rest of the sentence or paragraph can be even worse. Advertisements, which could just as easily be grammatically correct, aren’t. Of course people don’t use correct grammar and syntax – they don’t hear it. Nonetheless, I question the psychological soundness of people who pounce upon minor misspellings or flawed grammar in statements whose meaning is patently clear. That’s more annoying than bad grammar.

    • FRANCISCO, IM WITH YE, MY DADDY TOOK ME OUTA SCHOOL WHEN IZ IN THU 7TH. GRADE,TU
      HELP HIM ON THU FARM. ONE OF THU BEST THINGS HE LEARNED ME,WAS HOW TO GET UH LOTA CORN TO THU ACER, UN I DID. WE TOOK THAT CORN UN MADE MASH OUTA IT, NOW WHEN YE COOK THU MASH DOWN REAL GOOD, YA CAN GET BOUT 20 GALUN OF 120 PRUF SHINE.
      WHICH CAN BRING YE AS MUCH AS $90 TU 120 $$ UH GALLON. AFTER MY DADDY PASSED AWAY,
      I DIDNT RAISE NOTHING BUT GOOD CORN. YE KNOW I KNOW MY GRAMAR ISNT VERY GOOD,
      BUT I BOUGHT ME TWO MORE FARMS. IM PUTING OUT NOW BOUT 130 AKERS OF CORN , NOW
      THU $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ IS ROLLING IN, I THINK ILL BUY ME NOTHER FARM.
      SO ALL THEM OTHER FOLKS,CAN WORK ON THEIR GRAMER, SPALING UN PUNCUIATION
      WHILE THEY DOING THAT IM JEST GONA KEEP ON RAISING CORN.

  12. Language has meaning, if we don’t get the language correct, we don’t get the correct meaning.

    Last year I was at a HS function for a granddaughter, a senior, one of her teachers used the term “these ones”. I got up and walked out.

  13. Silliness. Language and its proper usage is important and powerful; those who object to its potency in success and who argue against its place are poltroons. As an ESL instructor, it is part of my training to differentiate among the various and common homophones that benight the English language; it is amusing to tell a foreign student that there are sentences that we can say, or understand, in English that are impossible to write down. How does one say, “There are three to/too/two’s in English and write it properly? Can’t; and that is why it is uniquely challenging to teach the subject.

    • On top of that, one also has to compete with the local “coloquilism” (hope I got the spelling right.) It is rampant. Please forgive if not, as it IS a rather difficult word to spell.

      • You were darn close, just missing the second “l” and “a”; a lot closer than most would come. “Colloquialism” is the correct spelling; I had to check for sure on that second “l”. English is a tricky and confusing language, even for those of us who have memorized a lot of tricky words; words not often used should be verified, because they will kick your butt every time.

      • John E Strom Jr.

        Travller62, there is always “patois” which is shorter and easier to spell! You were VERY close – colloquialism has two L’s. 🙂

  14. Dumbing down minorities (which is essentially implied) is an act of racism in and of itself.

    • Proper English has no race or color and by not teaching people proper language skills the education system is doing them a major disservice.

    • John E Strom Jr.

      Swisher, they dumb down themselves with no help from us. Maybe they should try to improve their grammar. Who would want to hire someone who’s language is “ghetto speak”. I sure as Hell wouldn’t. If that makes me a racist that’s not a problem.

      • Effective communication…as in what you tell someone is understood by them in the same context and meaning that you, the speaker, intended. Something that I see going the wayside…

  15. Sorry all of you hypersensitive millennials!! Why is EVERYTHING about “White privilege”??

  16. If these semi-literates don’t want to be chastised, let them get an education instead of shooting hoops or gang-banging.

  17. I knew grammar was good for something!

    • But I’ll bet you never considered it “racist” while you were in grammar school, or do Mona and Melissa think it would be more accurate to be called ‘racist’ school? I wished I had teachers that thought lowering the standards was the easiest way to teach, now I know better, it IS the easiest way to collect a teacher’s paycheck. (my apologies to teachers that still think education is important to any nation, I agree Common Core is a threat to our future)

  18. I’d be happy if people would at least learn to speak and read english. Half the time even native born americans speak like they came form the sticks, but at least we hope that can read. Although with the schools of today, I’m not so sure of that.

  19. Writers are now beginning to minimize the importance of correct grammar and spelling, blaming the need for that on “racism”, because more and more writers and newscasters even on the national level have such poor command of those skills.

  20. The tolerance, even promotion, of poor grammar and misspellings will only lead to the demise of literacy, the inability to use a dictionary, encyclopedia, or search engine. This prideful promotion of ignorance will destroy language, as every language has grammatical rules that give structure to communications. Without the structure, without correct spellings, people will lose common languages and the ability to communicate over large groups, like the USA. It is sad and frightening for the future.

  21. Correcting poor grammar and spelling is not racist it is just making the unspoken point that if one is too poorly educated to use the English language correctly than likely one is also too poorly educated to come up with any solid intelligent worthwhile points. Their opinions should thus be regarded accordingly. It’s not matter their ancestry.

    • MARK, I JUST WONDER BOUT YOU, WHATA DO FOR UH LIVING ???
      LIKE IVE SAID BEFORE, MY DADDY TOOK ME OUTA SCHOOL IN THU 7TH. GRADE TO RUN THU FARM,YEP HE DID, ANT GOT MUCH EDUCATIUN, BUT THEN I ANT DONE TO BAD JEST BOUGHT MY 4TH. FARM. NOW ILL BE ABEL TO RAISE BOUT 170 AKERS OV KORN, YE WONT BELIVE,ER KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS IN GALLONS, UN $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ YOUALL CARRY ON, I LIKEIT.

  22. Standards are, uh, standards. Ever heard of a benchmark in surveying? How about the proper use of a compass? The new age seems to run on a relativistic mantra. Whatever.

    • Some time ago I saw a cartoon about 2 surveyors that were building a road. One started in one county, the other in the adjoining county, they were to meet up at county line. The cartoon showed the roads ending several feet off center. Two of my sons are surveyors so I know the importance good math in the construction of Roads.

  23. There are a lot of older people posting on these sites that have probably forgotten some of what they were taught. I applaud them for trying.

  24. When I worked civil service years ago I was required to take a lot of management classes through the Department of Army. One of the classes I took was an effective oral communications class for Army officers and civilian personnel in management positions. I had a black female Major that did her first presentation and opened with ” A lot of people axed me why I joined the Army” That totally sunk her credibility.This woman somehow slipped through the cracks and got a Masters degree.Apparently the bar was lowered quite a bit to fill what ever minority quotas were in place. And they wonder why they can’t find any sort of meaningful employment.

  25. Adds credence to the old saying that “ignorance is bliss”. If it’s not social media jargon or single syllable, it must be “oppressive”. I guess the idea is to remain ignorant.

  26. So, now we are giving license to minorities to sluff off in school, or just not attend altogether??? That’s (intentionally) missing the whole point! I am not a grammar snob, but I personally can tell you how trying it can be to even attempt to make sense of some of the writing that I have had to wade through. It also should be embarrassing to the writer to even put out something that publicly that would cast the writer in a bad light. Show some consideration to the reader that is showing interest in what you have to say — do your best when writing/typing it so that your reader can comprehend it easily. You will have won your reader’s respect — and he/she may even pass it on to someone else! 🙂

    • I certainly understand your pain. When I was on my last instructor tour in the Navy, 2000-2003, I was obligated to read the student critiques after they went through my module, and at first we did not have a computer program set up, so all were handwritten. The spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc., were appalling enough, but sometimes the scrawls would require a skill in deciphering hieroglyphs. Although my fellow instructors and I would get a laugh out of some of the more outlandish abuses, there was a certain sadness, too. After all, to even qualify to enlist, a Sailor is required to have either a HS diploma or GED; somehow they had not learned decent written communication to get through the educational system.

  27. Yes, with grammar nazis, people might not think the term “racist” could only apply to whites, so it is important to preserve the weaponry in common-use today (AKA minimize education).

  28. A BEAUTIFUL GIRL APPLIED FOR A SECRETARY’S JOB. SHE MIS SPELLED EVERY OTHER WORD ON HER RESUME. SHE SAID SHE KNEW SHE COULD LEARN ON THE JOB AND SHE ENCLOSED A PICTURE OF HERSELF. SHE GOT THE JOB AND THE BOSSES NOTE READ DO NUT WORRI WE GOT SPEL CHEK.

  29. These RADICAL Leftists need to get a REAL JOB, a regular 8 to 5 job with occasional overtime. THEY ALL HAVE WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS.

    Also, by writing an article on these throwbacks, we are giving them credence instead of ignoring what they say. If you want them to go away, stop making them the limelight of a blog. All this does is give them more power to keep on saying “STUPID” things like this article says.

    If we want a more productive country and society, we need to be educated by an intelligent instructor. Unfortunately, we have a teacher’s pool that has remedial teachers, many that can’t put a sentence together properly…and they are teaching our future adult generation. That is called dumbdowning your students or not letting them achieve higher goals because they are gifted. Wrong for our country and especially for our children. This is obama’s wet dream…non-intelligent America.

    However I believe she is talking about illegals and recent immigrants to our Nation. Those people deserve to have a voice and should be heard (not the illegals) no matter how poor their English is and no one should be talking down to them when they are generally concerned abt issues. People that do that to other people online feel inferior themselves and have to belittle others to make themselves feel better.

    But, Fabello has it all wrong about our English language – which is spoken in the majority of world countries! This language has brought peoples of all nationalities together, communicating, all over the world. It, along with our Nation’s power, has changed the World. If she would research where our alphabet came from she would discover it has Arabic (Muslim) derivations so it wasn’t birthed by just “white” guys.

    Fabello and people like her have been pushed into the spotlight because we have an “anti-white” president that recognizes and praises those who put down America’s WHITE FOUNDERS and White race – of which he is also a part.

    If bho can divide the races farther apart he thinks he will make America vulnerable…he won’t!! Americans are human first, then American and together we can protect our people – all of them, white, black, brown, yellow or red – because that’s what we humans do, take care of each other. We just need to remember that. Fabello needs to ground herself and remember why we are a strong country and WHO MADE IT THAT WAY!

    • Want a Country with Pride? Bring back U.S. History and World History to our schools again. Over half of the younger generation has no knowledge of how America was born, the battles, the lives lost, and the Patriotism that birthed a new strong country. Teach our children “how” this happened and you will bring about an appreciation for the Nation in which we live.

      SOCIALISM DOES NOT WANT ANYTHING TO STAND OUT THAT IS GOOD – students, new goals, entrepreneurs, or visionaries…it is a Spirit killer — Saunders and Killary are both campaigning on that platform. I think we’ve already experienced “how” Socialism works by watching obama’s actions and legislation. America has had enough destruction for a very long time!

  30. Why is it that when some one is educated, they only assume that they are old and White? I know quite of few people that are out there that love to correct people on these blogs and they come in a variety of colors and educations, or lack there of.

  31. What a stupid conversation, people do not write anymore they text and because they text do not have to punctuate as well as talk on the phone. So Conversation is over (observe next time you are out dining) as well as writing using manners of punctuation.

  32. Our education system is a bust. Teachers either aren’t qualified to teach English or they don’t care if our people are stupid. Just look at the number of times television reporters use the term “had went.” Was it too hard for us to remember things like “your chicken lays an egg, people lie down?” How about “I before e except after c.” Or what of using “an” before a vowel instead of “a”? If you don’t notice that our people can’t speak or write the language, shame on you. The fastest track black people had for acceptance was when they learned the English language. After that minorities were accepted easily. Just look at the South if you don’t believe.

    • My German ancestors, when they immigrated, learned to speak English for their children and in order to best communicate with their community – as soon as possible. Germans were also hated, at the time.

      • Still are apparently, if they wanted to assimilate into their chosen home, instead of having their chosen home conform to their previous home (yes, I wonder why any would leave if they wanted to remain where they were)

        • My ancestors immigrated in very early 1900’s. Austria (Germany) didn’t offer much for those who really were looking for opportunity and success. My grandfather was an indentured servant (you know, his uncle paid for his passage, and he worked to pay him back), he later went back to Austria to get a wife. Basically, the same reasons most legal immigrants came to the U.S., leaving their homeland.

  33. Otay buckwheet;. Parse this sentence nd c if u cant knot saye it is know prooper englich a long wif , :, !, (), AND ?
    pC IS DED.

  34. So white people are snobs because they speak correct English?. I always thought that you should be proud to speak correctly. Here is a good example of how bad we have become in using proper grammar,,, There was a college basketball game on TV and a black player got called for a foul and turned to the referee and said ” WHAT I DID ?”. And all the hip hop crap has gotten worse with the English language. The white kids in school use the very same books as the minorities use so it must be what they get from home .All the school busing and forced integration and special treatment for blacks has done what?? It has caused more racism and hate because of the culture differences

  35. The hell with the Grammar police. But you thought out there ! Don’t let people that think they are above you intimidate or shut you down. You’r voice should be heard .The elite have try for yrs. to shut people up don’t let it happen .

    • I believe most of the discussion and story, after the introductory paragraph, is that complaints of ‘racism’ for using correct grammar are inappropriate. No-one can help someone who feels that correction is to “intimidate or shut you down” because someone seems to desire to remain ignorant and desires to remain misunderstood. When I am corrected, while I am not happy about being wrong, I prefer to be corrected than continuing my errors and/or continuing to be difficult to understand.
      And for the record, I’m no-where near being elite.

      • Me either. I’m just a “grammar Nazi” to the populace.

      • I think it’s the difference between libs and conservatives: libs want to believe what they believe regardless of fact, and continue to fail, conservatives believe in being educated and not making the same mistakes over and over again, thereby IMPROVING ONESELF.

        • Good Call! Belief disputing fact(s) versus knowing mistakes and not wanting to repeat any. In this political arena leading up to another election, I’ll say no more

    • It is not a matter of snobbery, any more than adding 2 + 2 = 4 is snobbery. Fact, they are both correct. And among human beings – communication is primary for understanding. If one wants to succeed in business, corporate America, whatever career – it is mandatory to speak and be able to speak PROPER English. I’m not talking about putting in comma’s in writing. I’m talking about: (my pet peeves) using are, instead of our. Using to, instead of too or two. These are 3rd grade words.

      • I have never had a problem in life of being successful . But for yrs. I never wrote a sentence .Every thing I did was with numbers and phone. You need to be preaching to the Collage kids.

  36. How about Obama who graduated from Harvard… He say’s I’m “gonna “== and i “wanna” and ” ta” for the word “the” but the school allowed in because he was a minority

  37. Those that use social media and mis spell or the wrong word have the right to speak their piece and not be corrected and and have what they are saying be delivered unfettered.

    • Only if it’s due to autofill otherwise your just an uneducated idiot!

    • Even if there peace is to difficul to unnerstan?
      I prefer the fetters of rules leading to understanding, to the chaos of miscommunication. (Although having recently learned to text on a stupid-phone, I can understand how SOME current abbreviations might be necessary).

    • I’ve not seen anyone stopping idiots from the “right to speak”. If someone wishes to attempt to educate them or correct their English, it’s also their right.

    • and the reader also has the right to declare the inept social media user ignorant-just sayin’….

  38. CorrectionPlease

    Can’t read or write?
    It’s the school’s fault.
    Burn the building down.

  39. Well now we know, having at least a basic high school education and learning proper grammar, like knowing your don’ts from doesn’ts and dem from them now makes us grammar Nazis?? Well I worked hard at trying to at least sound like I got a good education. I even took, listened, and learned in High School English classes, so when I see some who can’t speak proper English or write properly, I have a right to say “use proper English” and stop all the curse words that just highlight a lack of vocabulary or a lack of attention in school. Ignorance is not what we need, we need more grammar Nazis!

    • You got one right here. I’ve been accused of being a “grammar Nazi” for a long time. But, I try to do it nicely.

    • OfcShane (MGySgt USMC)

      U dun lyk et wen ppl talk 2 U lyk dis? Wut iz wrong wit U cuz!? U jess B uh rasist! Jajajaja! ROFL at UR BLOB UB2G N LOL at UR WTF IMHO Ima BRB…

  40. OfcShane (MGySgt USMC)

    I have to admit, when some moron comes against me in forums around the net, or even in personal/phone conversations, and they say stupid things, I correct them… I then often point out the concept of: “how can you criticize my point of view if you cannot even structure a sentence properly?” I mean your level of education and experience does (totally) impact your logical thinking and reasoning skills.

    I mean honestly… If you were telling me about someone’s political policy and I came at you like this:

    Da unly reeson U suport Trump iz Bcuz U B a rasist wite krakker un U like B 4 da impression uv da minorititties uv da unted stats bcuz U B egnurrant 2 da realtys uv da straggle uv da minuratys n da modurn socialitys bcuz U B a hunky dat wuz raysed in privaledge un dint kno da stuggles uv da po mans in da ghettos!!! WHITE RASIST BICH! THUGLIFE4EVA!!! PACE!

    How in God’s name can anyone take that seriously!?!? It don’t matter what color you are… If your IQ is below that of a 2×4 plank, then it has nothing to do with race — and everything to do with the fact that your parents were scraping the bottom of the gene pool or possibly on drugs when you were conceived. Maybe both…

    Tough luck pal. Apply for a job as a janitor or sanitation worker, and not anything that requires problem solving skills, or critical thinking.

    People need to learn their roles in society and politicians need to learn that you can’t teach away idiocy when it comes to poor genetic selection. Also, although I may now have a ton of experience and a partial Ivy League education, I came from a poor community that was an 87% minority demographic, and an impoverished branch of my family tree. I had the very same educational opportunities as most of the children of those families did, and I came from a family that was just as, if not more, screwed up than theirs. I chose to make the most of it and break the cycle for my children and family. You can’t educate away freewill, nor can you deprive others of said education or freewill based on the lack of motivation of others. I don’t feel sorry for people that throw away their opportunities. It is different for those that have none, but if you are a US citizen you have them… everyone does… God forbid you have to turn off the Xbox and put down the blunt for 30 days to find them.

    My politically-incorrect two cents.

    • Hey Gunny: Thanks for ALL your help and teaching in the English Grammar field, be it in civilian or military world. Thanks for your service as well.
      USAF-1969-1973.

  41. FORGET THE WHITE SNOBBERY CRAP. SOME PEOPLE JUST SPELL BETTER THAN OTHER OF ANY COLOUR. LINCOLN , WHO IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE SMARTEST MEN IN HISTORY WAS NOT A GOOD SPELLER. HE WROTE HIS OWN SPEECHES AND HE WROTE ON WHATEVER PAPER WAS HANDY. PEOPLE COULD READ WHAT HE WROTE BECAUSE HE SPELLED WORDS OUT ON PAPER AS HE WOULD SAY THE WORDS OUT LOUD. IF A CHARACTER IN A BOOK YOU DOES NOT SPEAK WELL, THE AUTHOR OF THE STORY YOU ARE READING WILL SHOW THIS IN HOW THEY WRITE THE CHARACTER’S DIALOG. THE READER GETS THE SENSE OF THE CHARACTER JUST FINE.. THE PERSON WHO IS READING SOMEONE’S OPINION CAN DO THE SAME SIMPLY BY PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY ARE READING AND NOT TO ANYTHING ELSE.

    • OfcShane (MGySgt USMC)

      AND SOME PEOPLE YELL IN ALL CAPS!!! AHHHHH!!!!

      • THE CAPS ARE FOR OLD EYES AND CRIPPLED HANDS. THE CRIPPLED HAND ARE FROM WOUNDS I SUFFERED IN THE ARMY. MY LAST RANK WAS COMMAND SERGEANT MAJOR. I USUALLY START MY COMMENTS WITH CAPS STATEMENT BUT SINCE IT WAS ABOUT THE FIFTH LETTER I WROTE THAT DAY GUESS I WAS JUST TIRED AND FORGOT.. OR MAYBE I JUST ASSUMED SINCE MY COMMENTS WERE ALL IN THE SAME PAPER EVERYONE WOULD RECOGNIZE MY NAME, OR NOTE THAT I AM OLD IN THE PICTURE AND PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER. MY MACHINE BEING OLD HAS TO BE ADJUSTED EACH TIME I USE IT SO THE CAPS ARE JUST EASIER FOR MY SIGHT AND EVERYTHING ELSE ALL THE WAY AROUND. I WISH I COULD USE CAPS TO YELL. SOMETIMES PEOPLE NEED TO BE YELLED AT. PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY TO BE RATHER THICK AT TIMES AND IT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET THROUGH THE DENSENESS.

  42. the dumbing down of America at it’s best-if we allow it -we deserve it. DON’T allow it.

    • OfcShane (MGySgt USMC)

      1000 up votes – unfortunately, we have already seemingly given up the authority of the people to these morons. The clever “idiots in charge.”

  43. Michael Dennewitz

    Those poor, poor PM’S just never run out of shit to piss and moan about, huh??

  44. Is there anything more tell tail of ignorance than that of improper grammar? Experts have judged Donald Drumpf to be functioning grammatically at a 5th grade level, Mr. Cruz at 7th grade; Secretary Clinton at 11th grade and Mr. Sanders functions at a 12th grade level.

    • OfcShane (MGySgt USMC)

      Actually it was:

      Trump: 5th grade grammar and 7th grade vocabulary; 8.2 mistakes per 100 words
      Cruz: 7th grade grammar and 9th grade vocabulary; 5.7 mistakes per 100 words
      Clinton: 7th grade grammar and 8th-9th grade vocabulary; 5.1 mistakes per 100 words
      Sanders: 7th grade grammar and 11th grade vocabulary; 1.9 mistakes per 100 words

      Trump: 273 unique words per 1000
      Cruz: 244 unique words per 1000
      Clinton: 279 unique words per 1000
      Sanders: 323 unique words per 1000

      Their supporter’s internet comments were rated:

      Trump: 3rd grade grammar and 5th grade vocabulary; 12.6 mistakes per 100 words
      Cruz: 5th grade grammar and 8th grade vocabulary; 7.3 mistakes per 100 words
      Clinton: 7th grade grammar and 9th grade vocabulary; 6.3 mistakes per 100 words
      Sanders: 9th grade grammar and 12th grade vocabulary; 3.7 mistakes per 100 words

      Trump: 226 unique words per 1000
      Cruz: 240 unique words per 1000
      Clinton: 290 unique words per 1000
      Sanders: 302 unique words per 1000

      The candidates IQ ratings are:

      Trump: 121 (low exceptional – note: source uncited)
      Cruz: (Refused to release info)
      Clinton: 140 (high exceptional)
      Sanders: 148 (low genius)

      The candidates college GPAs are:

      Trump: (refused to release info)
      Cruz: 4.0 HS GPA; 3.88 College GPA
      Hillary: 4.0 HS GPA; 4.0 College GPA
      Sanders: 4.0 HS GPA; 4.0 College GPA

      Truth/Lie rating: (omitting anything “Half-True” or lesser)

      Trump: 9% of what Trump states is either True or Mostly True.
      Cruz: 23% of what Cruz states is either True or Mostly True.
      Clinton: 60% of what Clinton says is either True or Mostly True.
      Sanders: 59% of what Sanders says is either True or Mostly True.

      Trump: 59% deliberate lies or intentionally misleading non-facts
      Cruz: 44% deliberate lies or intentionally misleading non-facts
      Clinton: 23% deliberate lies or intentionally misleading non-facts
      Sanders: 11% deliberate lies or intentionally misleading non-facts

      (according to reports from Grammarly, Grammar-wise, Washington Post, Politifact, FactCheck.org, Politico, OpenSecrets.org, TheMemoryHole.org, ProjectCensored.org, World Book Encyclopedia, and Encyclopedia Britannica – these are the major sources; I prefer non-slanted info)

      Note: I am a member of #ConservativesforBernie but I want it to be clear – my statement of fact is not influenced by my choice to rally behind Bernie — rather, my choice to rally behind Bernie is because I researched the facts… I really wanted to like Trump and tried…

      • Wow that’s about a 1,000 more words than the article that I read. Thanks for the extended information. Mr. Drumpf is nonetheless eerily ignorant, on an esoteric level, and sadly in need of a visit to his county’s mental health office.

        • OfcShane (MGySgt USMC)

          Yeah sorry I prefer to be very thorough when I discuss things.

          • I really appreciate your time no ‘sorry’ needed . I had only read a paragraph long blurb on bing news page. Seems Secretary Clinton gets a raw and incorrect deal at the FOX table…thanks again . Peace.

  45. Sorry, but speaking good and writing and speaking grammatically correct English is what our country was built on and by taking that away, you are left with slaves! Sorry, but the elitists are at it again!

  46. I can forgive mistakes when english is the second language and meaning is apparent, what I cannot forgive is people who were born and raised in this country and still cannot learn the language properly. I do not point out all the mistakes of the former but revel in making the latter feel foolish. There is nothing wrong with pointing out that someone who should know better is just plain ignorant.

  47. do these liberals just sit around and find crap to bitch about

  48. Libs must keep their slave voters stupid…God forbid Minorities become equal in education…Libs would lose Control and suffer from true equality that the minorities would finally have.

  49. If you are not capable of using the English language properly, maybe you should keep your mouth shut ( or step away from the computer). Ignorance is no excuse.

  50. I guess it’s “racist” if you expect people who’ve been here for 300 years to speak the language? No, I’m not a grammar Nazi but I do appreciate a well spoken person.

  51. disqus_v5723Mqspa

    The stupidity is pervasive.

  52. I’m with the busybodies and snobs. In fact, the “anything goes” attitude wreaks of reverse snobbery.

  53. I don’t mind small grammatical errors or missing or wrong punctuation, but I have little tolerance for off-subject profanity, obnoxious nicknames and gutter talk—and, indefinite pronouns where it is impossible determine to whom someone is referring.

  54. Without sufficient knowledge of grammar and vocabulary, being understood becomes more difficult. In tenth grade English, the importance of word order was hammered into us. The primary example was “all are not” and “not all are”. The statement:” all apples are not red” is obviously false since some apples ARE red. The statement: “not all apples are red” is true, since some apples are red, and some apples are of other colors. In the second statement, to use not , to modify all shows that all is partial and not comprehensive. There is a big difference between won’t and wont. Won’t means “will not”. Wont (pronounced like want) means to be accustomed to or customary. can’t means can not. Cant refers to a leaning or list to one side, as well as a number of other meanings that have nothing to do with can not. Rain, rein, and reign have clearly separate and distinct meanings, as do there, their, they’re.

  55. TOO many people are saying “me and my friends”, “me and my wife” etc., when it suppose to be, “my friends and I”, “my wife and I” etc.

    • Notice how many people say “for him and I, or for you and I, or for (anyone) and I”. They don’t know when to use the objective case of an adjective, which in this instance is “me”. Also, listen to how many people end a sentence with prepositions, such as “where am I at, or where are you going to?”, etc.

    • A very easy way to know if you should say “For you (or anyone) and I”, is to leave the other person out, and you will know that the the correct word to use is “me”; i.e., “For me”. Simple!!

  56. Yes I am white and in my 60’s. So according the author, that makes me judgmental and unqualified to comment. However, when I was in 9th grade, I was placed in a “remedial” English class, because I had not grasped the concepts of grammer. It was the best thing the school could have done for me! From that point on in my life, I always check my spelling, and try to be aware of how I would be received by someone reading my writing. It is a responsibility of a writer or commenter or TV or written news to be grammatically correct if they want to be listened to, or their voice valued. How anyone else receives your written word or conversation is important in how the world views you. So, grow up, and stop making excuses for not caring enough to value your own words.

  57. I think the author of this short piece goes a bit far in her criticism of good grammar, spelling and punctuation. If you think it’s all right to make errors as you want, where are yours? Your writing appears to be impeccable. Relax! Many of us learn by reading things that are well written.

  58. I detest these kinds of forums!
    What does being Republican or Democrat have to do with a child being able to learn, or how good the schools are, or what kind of a degree one receives.
    “Justagramma”,, I hate to call you out, but you are flat wrong! Get your facts before smearing everyone with your broad stroke.
    I agree with E.Swisher.
    I am finished with this discussion. Way too contentious!
    Blessings all. Have a good night.
    Another Grandma

  59. When such things as “creative spelling” (spelling a word the way it sounds—no wonder Johnny can’t read or write) and complicating simple arithmetic via “common core” are taught, as well as eliminating cursive handwriting from the educational curriculum, it’s no wonder we are raising kids that are illiterate–so to speak.

  60. Uniform spelling, uniform grammar, uniform punctuation = understanding. This is as stupid as 2+2 = 5 new math.
    Yes, there’s differences between Brit & American and Austrian english, etc., but w/o rules, it becomes incomprehensible as does music or art…. or life….

  61. Perhaps it would be well to realize that students do need to be taught/offerd the studies of language in correct use. They are daily presented with hashed useage as they read newspapers and other publicaions. As daily life continues, sloppy use of our language is the norm. I am a retired educator and I believe and practiced correct useage so that my students might have at least some chance to see and hear language used as taught in their Classes in our American English. Future potential employers will notice how a candidate uses language and that can well affect consideration toward hiring. Do employers seek or want persons who are sloppy? Good use of our language is a valuable asset. For myself, I continue to strive and believe that I have room for improvement.

  62. Kathy Burk-Young

    This is social media….. say what you what, and mean what you say. But….. (never start a sentence with “but”… it is grammatically incorrect) if you feel the need to be haughty, please be silent, and MIND YOUR OWN “PERFECT” BUSINESS!!!

  63. If someone cannot speak proper English, I am going to call them on it. If they don’t like it, too bad. They should be ashamed of themselves for speaking our native language so poorly.

    If you cannot put together an English sentence properly, don’t be surprised when the rest of us utterly ignore and ridicule you. That’s just how free speech works.

    The incorrect use of the English language is not the same as free speech, however. Speaking poorly is just a simple display of ignorance, stupidity, and a lack of education.

    If you insist on making up your own rules for the English language, please do it elsewhere and please call it something other than English. Please take your Orwellian “duckspeak” and your “Ebonics” to a different venue.

    Ignoramuses, chimpanzees, “progressives”, and other forms of Liberal retardation will then be welcome to fling their excrement at each other from their respective trees.

  64. “older, wealthier, whiter, or just plain academic ” ~~ not so much from what I’ve seen . more so younger liberal women

  65. What I read here is just a reversal of what is being complained about. This is a concept of “you pick a subject and I’ll show you how to destroy it”. And then I’ll show you how to find someone to “blame” it on. Pure garbage..

  66. Modern education doesn’t teach grammar, spelling , math or anything we need anymore. Reading posts today show the lack of education our school systems are providing. Mona Chalabi is just covering for the minorities in this country and making excuses for their lack of education.

  67. I hate # those people; they think they are the ? the some kind of special and/ they are better than evyeryone% they have no real opinion* so all they do is attack( people + they are a joke^ and need to get a [email protected]
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  68. Those people$ need to gget a life^ since they have no real ( opinion they% attack with there stupid punktuation stuff( some how they thinks it maeks them seem+ smart they gots nuthing better& to do with theres lives? you guys can go jam it in+ yer rectums

  69. Isn’t Bernie pushing for free college??? Besides, I learned to spell, punctuate, and use proper grammar IN GRADE SCHOOL!! If all of these millennial are so computer savy, why can’t they find the “spellcheck” button?

    • MyronJPoltroonian

      LOL! “Mr. SpelCzech” is a headstrong sonofabitch. When he gets it in his head that “He’s” right and not you, he’ll use every subterfuge in the e-verse to replace your spelling intentions with his.

  70. Got a problem, “Blame Whitey’.

  71. David Witenstein

    What pissed me off are the grammar a holes who are quick to savage immigrants who have not quite mastered the English language as either ignorant or illegal. My grandmother spent 90 years in this country and had difficulty with the language. But I’m a white, racist, redneck, cracker (even though I was born in Brooklyn ) among other things that would require 2 sides of a business card. To the grammar police, my run on sentences and punctuation errors are intentional and if you ever want to go IQ to IQ with me I’ll gladly take you on you ignorant POS.

  72. Since the lowest I.Q. have been having the most kids for decades can see why they want to lower the standards and have been for quite a while. Problem is they are taking those with intelligence with them. Schools now want to quit teaching cursive as we can now type everything. Soon the basics of reading, writing and arithmetic will go by the wayside. After all a calculator can do any kind of math, can also translate any language and you can type in any words you choose spelled wrong or not. I don’t understand e-Ebonics but a lot of other people sure do.

  73. She is right! Simple fact. As a former college professor it seems amazing we have come this far from reality! A lot of this comes down to people trying to control people. Verbal warfare.

  74. Shades of being an effete, impudent snob!

  75. Without grammar, personal expression is meaningless. It is part of a coherent society to have a language structure that everyone understands. If minorities would listen and learn in school they wouldn’t feel “left out” because they don’t speak properly. Get an education and move yourself up in the world where good manners and proper language is respected.

  76. PERSONALLY PAST REGULAR MATH, READING, AND WRITING THE MORE EDUCATED THIS WORLD GETS THE STUPIDER IT ACTS. HOME EC TEACHES HOW TO MAKE FRENCH TOAST AND COOKIES, BUT DOES NOT TEACH THE COOK HOW TO BUDGET THE GROCERIES OR TO MAKE REAL FOOD, WHICH IS HEALTHIER AND CHEAPER. YOU LEARN HOW TO WRITE A CHECK, BUT YOU DO NOT LEARN HOW TO BUDGET. IF A PERSON WANTS TO GO ON PAST THE BASIC EDUCATION THEY GO TO COLLEGE TO ABSORB THE MATERIAL THEY NEED FOR THE PROFESSION THEY DESIRE. THE SCHOOLS HAVE BECOME, LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE AMERICAN SYSTEM—BIG BUSINESS. POLITICIANS USE EDUCATION TO SWAY THE CHILDREN TOWARDS WHAT THEY DESIRE. TEACHERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FOLLOW THEIR OWN PATH OF TEACHING; THEY HAVE TO DO IT THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT SAYS. THE EDUCATIONAL BOARD IS IN CONTROL. MANY PEOPLE WHO LOVE TEACHING HAVE DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL S SOON AS THEY DISCOVERED THIS. OTHERS DO NOT CARE AS LONG AS THEY GET A PAYCHECK. OR AGREE WITH THE AGENDA, OR DON’T GIVE A DAMN AND SHOULD NOT BE TEACHERS. SCHOOLS SHOULD BE FOR TEACHING. PERIOD. IT IS NOT ABOUT WHOSE PARTY IS THE BEST SO GROW UP AND VOTE FOR ME. THIS BRINGS ME TO THE REASON I HAVE COMEBACK TO ADD ONE MORE THING TO THIS DISCUSSION. IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF AMERICAN. WAY BEFORE THE SO CALLED FOUNDING FATHERS WERE EVEN BORN THERE WAS A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT LAND IN A NEW COUNTRY. THEY SETTLE NEXT TO A GROUP OF INDIANS AND THEY ALL BECAME FRIENDS.THEY HAD A TREATY THAT LASTED AND AMERICA GREW FROM THE SEED OF THESE TWO PEOPLES. THEY WERE GOOD PEOPLE AND THEY HELPED EACH OTHER OUT. THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO CELEBRATED A DAY OF THANKFULNESS THAT IS THE HOLIDAY THANKSGIVING NOW. PAST THEM AMERICA BECAME LIKE ANY OTHER PLACE ON EARTH. BUYING, SELLING, BUILDING. A WAR TO BE FREE OF ENGLAND, A CIVIL WAR THAT WAS NOT TO FREE THE SLAVES. THE CIVIL WAR WAS SO THE LAND AND PEOPLE WERE NOT SEPARATED. THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON WANTED ONE STRONG NATION, NOT A DIVIDED PEOPLE. AND THEY WANTED THEM UNDER CONTROL EVEN THEN. NO. THERE ARE NO GOOD LEADERS. THEY ARE ALL HUMAN. AND THEY ARE IN A SEAT OF POWER AND IT GOES TO THEIR HEADS WEITHER FOR GOOD OR BAD. THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS. NO PERFECT PEOPLE.NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU AND ME ARE NOT PERFECT EITHER. NEWS FLASH. ALL THIS TALK ABOUT WHAT THE LEADERS ARE REALLY LIKE IS A WASTE. WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS. YOU TRY BEING PRESIDENT AND TELL ME HOW WELL YOU FARE. SOME MEN WERE BETTER THAN OTHERS SO WE LIKE THEM. SOME OF OUR LEADERS. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT TALK TO US AND MAKE US FEEL LIKE WE COUNT AS INDIVIDUALS, BUT WE ARE JUST A COUNTRY OF PEOPLE THEY HAVE TO KEEP UNDER CONTROL ANY WAY THEY CAN. WE ARE A TAX DOLLAR IN THEIR POCKET TO SPEND. AND IF WE ARE A VOTE FOR THEM THE BETTER, BUT IT IS ALL THE SAME PEOPLE UP THERE IN D.C..THE NEW GUYS ON THE HILL MAY BE SINCERE BUT THEY SOON LEARN HOW IT GOES AND BECOME A PART OF THE DRILL. WASHINGTON IS WHAT IT IS. THEY DO WHAT THEY CAN DO. AND MOST THE TIME THEY DO A GOOD JOB,BECAUSE THEY LOVE AMERICA THE SAME AS YOU AND ME.

  77. Well then, all that’s left to be said is, “How Great Thou Art.”

  78. Three thoughts…1) In Hong Kong, where the spoken language was Cantonese, when island was handed over to China, Mandarin became the official and imposed language. Reasoning…you cannot have a united country, a country of singular purpose, without a common language. Historical fact. I, personally, saw the police beat citizens of Hong Kong with their truncheons for the crime of speaking Cantonese in public.

    2) One day an acquaintance of mine was trying to make a case for the legitimacy of Ebonics. I pointed out to him that one does not hear accomplished blacks, like Oprah Winfrey, Michael Jordan, or Colin Powell, speaking Ebonics. At least not when it counts.

    3) My very Irish mother always taught me, among many things, that it doesn’t matter how much money one might have, nor how big and fancy a house one might possess, nor what kind of ancestral pedigree one might have; if a person can’t speak the language, properly, he will be perceived as an idiot. I submit that, right now, we have before us just such an example in Donald Trump.

  79. So many in this day and age are so ignorant when it comes to grammar that it is often difficult to understand what they are trying to say. I guess this reporter thinks we should just allow bad grammar since those who use it are too stupid to be corrected. Don`t hurt their little feelings-( You might warp their minds and self-esteem.

  80. I-o’nt unna stan wut y’all’s b talk’n bout?

  81. MyronJPoltroonian

    Well, there are these considerations to behold:

  82. concerned educator

    I dont knowi minorities that dont. Speak up because of their grammar and I worked witj hundreds of them in my 25 yrs pf teaching in minority community. In fact they were very vocal no matter what their educational level

  83. A long time ago, I was the Editor for the newsletter that went into the hands of all our employees. At that time, it was estimated that over 60% of our employee base had come from countries all over the world. Most of them were from Vietnam, but we also had people from countries in Africa, the Orient, Mexico, Central and South America, and Europe. They came to us knowing only minimal English and were required to attend English as a Second Language classes (ESL) (as did my grandson when, at 8, he arrived here speaking only Spanish).
    One day, we decided to have anyone from that group who wanted to write a short report about their journey to our country and how they felt after they arrived on our shores. One fellow from Vietnam volunteered. After a few days, he presented his report to me. After I had read it, I called him to my desk. We sat next to each other and I explained that if I put his report into the newsletter as he had written it, many people who read it would be laughing at him. I told him I did not want that to happen, and he agreed with me. So, we sat there for nearly an hour while I gave him a little English lesson, explaining the mistakes and showing him the correct way to write (and speak) in English.
    After we had finished, he thanked me profusely and went away very happy. I then checked with my boss, who was the President of the company and extremely literate. I asked him if I had done the right thing. He assured me I had. I then included the story from this brave man in our newsletter. Everyone was able to read about his experiences and appreciate the sacrifices he had made. If I had not been a “grammer Nazi”, he would have been a laughing stock instead of the hero he actually was.
    It has always been my experience that when a person knows how to use their native tongue correctly, they are more able to make themselves understood. I teach my pupils that increasing one’s vocabulary is like an artist who want to paint a picture. The artist chooses his oils, then mixes them to create exactly the colors he needs for the picture he has in his mind. One’s native tongue is very much the same thing. One either builds his vocabulary and is totally understood, or he must resort to name-calling and foul epithets. The first is uplifting, the second is degrading. Using foul language and/or poorly written words leaves the reader cold and the message is lost.
    Since people who live in countries all over this globe read these comments, doesn’t it make sense to present oneself in the best light possible? Otherwise, we represent our country as a place filled with uneducated numbskulls; we become a laughing stock; and lose all credibility. My hat is off to those who try to hold to a higher standard. Part of the liberal agenda is to lower that standard until we are only morons, unable to think for ourselves, which makes us, as a people, more easily controlled; a people unable to think critically; unable to use logic to solve problems.
    It’s a shame that those among us who are trying their best to present their arguments in well-crafted paragraphs are made sport of by those who cannot do likewise. It’s a sad fact that those who complain the most seem to be the very same people who will not learn; very much like the bullies in the schoolyard who tease the brighter students. They do that because they know in their own hearts they either do want to learn or are jealous of those who do want to learn. Which school do you belong to?

  84. Got to give Scott Campbell credit; he’s done a good job of keeping this thread going by calmly making a variety of incendiary statements and claims designed to raise the ire of those with a different belief. He definitely knows which buttons to push.

  85. concerned educator

    To Scott Campbell the reason I have poor typing and punctuation is on a small phone keypad it is difficult to type accurately . Since when did you think you should be the Nazi grammarist. Does that make you believe you’re superior since you can’t win the argument that God could exist and you don’t want to open your closed mind to it. For all you talk about evolution you haven’t acquired compassion for the weak or the ability to admit you could be wrong, not very evolved if you ask me.

  86. Sometimes Grammar is important, ain’t it?

  87. Minorities can write what ever they want to write about. In turn, people can choose not to read their works.

  88. Iba guesba iba gobba lernba meba sumba enblish. Stupid, filthy, ignorant ,libretard, backwards thinking, scumbuckets!!!!!. How is that for [email protected]$&@$&G grammatical English?

  89. If minorities want to be heard and want their message to be accepted, they need to speak well. Unfortunately, as a former English teacher, I found a negative attitude toward learning English by many minorities. I knew the worst offenders didn’t hear standard English at home, but that is no excuse for choosing to speak incoherently. There were teachers throughout each student’s educational progress modeling how to communicate. They just refused.

  90. Me think dis rong.

  91. Egor von Johnson

    Hey stupid! Get use to the dumming down of America. It started with the C= Bushes along with that no grade dumb nigger in Our House. Will some hero please shoot him.

  92. As soon as we open our mouth, we broadcast our intelligence via our grammar. Good or bad, it’s a reality. Think about it. What do YOU tell others?

  93. Egor von Johnson

    Sum ding wong en R kuntree. 2 man e dum NIGGERS n wash` ton. U C um awl ova der. des jump`in, n jiv`en, n jig`n 2! Sum say da jig`s up!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yip P. no lik nigs.

  94. WE live in an English Speaking country where the children go to school and learn proper English.
    Being functional in English is a plus for anyone ho wants to succeed in our country.
    Speaking English with some sort of foreign language is a complete insult to myself and American society.
    I learned Spanish in High School and do not speak it like some low life uneducated pendejo. Butcher your home language all you want BUT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES SPEAK AND USE ENGLISH PROPERLY

  95. Eliminate all grammar rules, eliminate all forms of structured language, replace all of them with grunts and growls, we do not need to communicate with one another,. Why do I say this, because no matter what you say, or how you say it, those liberals will find fault with it, and blame it on something, short of freedom, These liberals make me sick, even in the universe, there is order, but these liberals want nothing but disorder, they want the producers to support the non producers forever, and IT WILL NOT WORK, SO TAKE YOUR COMPLAINT ABOUT GRAMMAR AND PUT IT WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE.

  96. If you are not smart enough to know proper English and punctuation , you are probably not smart enough to have anything useful to say.

  97. When this scum takes over the world and their standard of living deteriorates to third world levels, it will be just desserts.

  98. It is strange to see this article and some of the points it makes. Our Nation is
    based upon a multitude of cultures and languages combined into what we call
    English. It is the most complex and difficult language to learn and speak as it
    changes depending upon where you live in the States. While our politicians are
    to cowardly to make it our “Official’ language it is and it is accepted across the
    planes by everyone as the Official Language when dealing with or in the United
    States of America. Our school system has failed miserably in the teaching of
    our language and its proper usage. This is partially due to the Government
    refusing to enforce our borders and the requirements of what it takes for a
    LEGAL Immigrant to become a US Citizens. We are being invaded by foreign
    nationalist who refuse to learn or speak our language and get upset when we do
    not respond to their demands that we change our customs, culture and religious
    beliefs to match theirs. This is the problem of our dysfunctional elected officials
    and their minions who pander to the lowest common dominator to destroy our
    nation. But what is most comical is those who claim to be so dammed smart
    are generally the most ignorant in common sense or how to deal with every
    day problems. I work with and talk to many foreign national who are here
    legally and lawfully on daily basis. Sometimes the language barrier is a
    real pain but we communicate and get the job done in a safe and secure
    manner. I worm in the Trucking industry and we have people from around
    the world driving freight across our land. Communication is critical in
    getting material from one point to another in a safe manner and on time
    and sometimes take patience to convey that information to a driver so
    they can accomplish their job also to provide for their families.

  99. If ignorance is bliss, let them go and settle in a Taliban-controlled area of Afghanistan/Pakistan or some Islamic nation where women are not allowed to go to school. Perhaps, the left will permit ‘madrasas’ in the US, so that we could be aware of ‘offensive’ speech. That then will open their eyes to see what is actually ‘inherently oppressive’.

  100. What a bunch of bull! These people want us all to be stupid.

  101. Since our kids don’t learn much of value in school – thank God for the grammar snobs for their help. Every little bit of real education helps.

  102. disqus_v5723Mqspa

    She needs to shutthehellup. All she’s doing is showing her own ignorance due to having been “taught” by ignorant “teachers” foisting Commie Core and its ilk on us.

  103. Whudja meen id riht well evrabudie undustds mej

  104. Waz rong wid tda way I spell I take much welker sinsi i go to skol

  105. This is stupid. Grammar should be taught in grammar school and highschool period. It’s all part of the Obama Plan to breakdown America = part of Political Correctness started by the Muslim Brotherhood.

  106. All a person has to do is listen to the way many of the youth of today speak and cannot make a complete sentence, especially since cursive writing is not in their school agenda. Half the time they probably have no idea what they are saying because they do not learn or do not want to learn. And in many cases parents are unable to or do not want to help the children better themselves. And society is not to blame. The parents, teachers, and law makers are to blame equally. And people wonder why foreigners are taking jobs away from Americans?????

  107. OK, so all of you Libtard Whackadoodle Buttplugs have the right to express yourselves in “Ebonics” if that is what you choose to do.

    But the rest of us also have the right to make fun of you and utterly ridicule everything that you are incapable of expressing in proper English.

    Don’t like that? Too bad. You sniveling buttplugs should all learn to speak proper English or just shut your c0ck holsters.

    • I don’t find any speaking ‘da hurr hurr’ on liberal blogs but on the tea bagger/fascist blogs, English and grammar are optional … usually knowledge as well.

      • As if any of us care what the political viewpoint is of *anyone* who cannot speak proper English.

        Which is actually the point, buttplug. I don’t care who you are or what your major malfunction might be, if you cannot speak proper English, you should not expect the rest of us to take you seriously. If you want to speak like trailer trash Hillbillies, or like inner-city ghetto trash, you should not expect either to incur respect, only scorn.

        So, make fun of the conservatives who don’t speak proper English all you like. As far as I am concerned, they deserve the derision just as much as do your English-challenged Ebonics-speakers that you Libtards seem to have adopted as your pets. Why else insist on a “pass” for one group, but not for the other?

        As for knowledge, I will happily beat you at Jeapordy every single time that want to play, Shirley.

        • Hello Shirley allow me to call your attention to your final statement. If you would like to add the missing word of that sentence to your post simply go to your post and click on the edit button found at the bottom of the comment. This will prepare the post for you to add the missing “I”, “you”, “we” or “Honey Boo Boo”. After you have filled in the blank gently click on the “save edit” button and you’re all set.

          • A simple omission is not the same as lacking a grasp of the English language. Even a feckless buttplug such as yourself knows that, so you are not impressing anyone by nit-picking a simple typing omission.

            You know the difference, so stop pretending that you truly are that ignorant.

  108. The best teacher I ever had was in the 7th grade, Mrs. Jackson, and I learned more from her than any class in college or graduate school about the English language. If you can’t speak English well, then keep your mouth shut! Insofar as I’m concerned, if you cannot speak fluent English go back to whatever country from whence you were born.

  109. “…part of some conspiracy to shut down minority viewpoints…”? No Cupcake, we know there’s no way to shut down the mentally ill or the gender challenged! The real problem is that these minorities are preoccupying & overwhelming the majorities, wasting precious time & effort. Too soon the majority will be implementing the beheadings & stonings.

  110. I’m a published author, by not a grammar snob, and I can assure you that there are grammar mistakes in most novels but, Robvert Zuidema is correct in his assessment. There are tons of programs available to increase one’s ability to become a successful writer. Similar to any profession, education is the catalyst that leads to success.

  111. Example; there is a grammar error in my first message, which confirms that proof reading by a friend can help to eliminate errors.

  112. Being taught, learning correct pronunciation and understanding the meaning of American English words by all is necessary for American citizens to be as one. As far as using slang in the place of whatever word?
    Okay. But using slang that is so far off from the listener being able to honestly say, “Oh, I get what you’re saying”,
    in replacement to the correct word may just mess up knowing what that person is trying to get across. Imo

  113. im called out from time to time on my grammar and mostly laugh about. i know my grammar is not precise and i also know that i have a great deal more common sense than these people who call others out to degrade them. i reply to some in that you understand enough to get my meaning. and if you dont maybe its them that has a useless education.

  114. So don’t try to be more intelligent,,, we should all go down to there level or they will feel bad. It starts from the top with Obama saying ” I;m gonna or i wanna ,,,He can not say ing where it is used. The black slang is soo bad i almost don’t understand what they are saying. I saw a college game last winter where one of the blacks was called for a foul and he turned to the ref and said ” What i did??'” WOW we wonder why our schools are failing

  115. I attended school many years ago, and learned all the correct grammar, which I try to use to this day. I do not criticize others for grammatical errors. It is rude and inconsiderate, and shows a lack of “breeding”, as does using foul language and name calling. I have many friends who can’t spell. They spell a word the way it sounds,( Dawg =dog. Jimnaziam=gymnasium. I still understand what they mean. The only reason to castigate others because of grammatical errors, is to make yourself feel superior

  116. Inaccuracy in any language, leads only to misunderstanding and misinformation.
    Perhaps someone should point this out to the unfortunately disturbed young and professionally inarticulate young woman. Dumbing down is apparently so important to her and her readers.

  117. Gee, I am none of this idiot’s crowd, but was raised by immigrant (legal) parents and great education on how touse and write my English language, which unfortunately with the fed and union-owned public schools from grade school on through college, teachers with no real knowledge of their English language are unable to teach it either. She is one stupid female and definitely must be a liberal democrat with it. I do not want my language bastardized by the likes of her and others that are plain lazy to learn OUR language. Since I learned other languages in and out of America, I appreciate the fact that I learned good English words and grammar because that helped me to dominate and perfect those other languages, thank you. Ditto, my spouse who escaped German Communism and learned,speaks and writes perfect English! May I assume you doesn’t speak or write good English and hence…..

  118. Ms. Chalabi writes,”“The people pointing out the mistakes are more likely to be older, wealthier, whiter, or just plain academic than the people they’re treating with condescension,” she says. Her parallelism is flawed. She should have written something like “or more academically oriented.” Without a modifier such as “more,” her attempt at parallelism fails. Courtesy of headonstraight, certified grammar sharp

  119. I would also suggest that Ms. Mona Chalabi see the 2005 made Movie “Idiocracy” it is available free on the Internet. She may learn something – but it would perhaps be unintentional. All languages are difficult except perhaps to those born in the particular linguistic regions and societies. This movie will illustrate the paradise to which she socially aspires.

  120. I agree with this all the way, I was not good at English when growing up ,never tried typing till I was past 80 , but worked most of my life in the machine repair work , and was in Skilled Trades ,I did make it just right to go to Korea and saw what a primitive nation was like with Honey wagons and eating Chickens that had not Hatched yet , It was interesting for a Country Kid , but there was the time when we went North and the temp were way below freezing and We were told that the China had sent 120,000 men to stop us and i guess they did as we had a Stratigic With drawl and never went back , Korea might have been different if we would have won , It made a medic out of me for a while and most of my children have got into the medical Field , Now just how many mistakes did I make today at 88 years old , You can tell me as I have learned to take it , Just can not believe how I ever got so old , Ford put me out on medical when i was 64 and said enjoy your self as your health is so bad you’ll be dead in less than 3 years , so I went to CDL school , now I play on the Computer !

  121. A homosexual college professor once said to me that the word “homology” I used wasn’t a word and has no meanings, boy, he was so wrong.

  122. I do some adjunct instructing and one of the universities I do work for takes me into the inmate population of several prisons where I do courses in Management. My background is Engineering , Finance, and General Management. The written work I get back has great content, but horrific construction. My lecture to the students is that if you want to deal with CUSTOMERS, VENDORS, BANKERS, COMMUNITY LEADERS, AND other business leaders in your community and be treated with respect, dignity and decorum, you had better learn to speak the language. Since these folks are in the Appalachian region and there is a mix of hill folk and city folk, the language I deal with is what I call HILLBILLY-EBONICS and not business and wants to hear it. These guys are smart, but a good part of why they are in prison is a distinct lack of skills they should have acquired in a school system. One does not need to be a novelist to exist in today’s world, but one needs to have a base level of language and writing skills to be able to communicate effectively. Street Jive and the like will not get it done and if this lady thinks that business and social communities are going to learn HILLBILLY-EBONICS so we can accomodate an uneducated class of people the educational establishment has failed to educate, think again,let her place blame where it belongs. I once got a phone call from the guy that ran the remedial English lab at another university complaining that half my class was in his lab; my response was yeah, it’s really horrible that I make students write reports where the words are spelled correctly and the columns of numbers add up on when these items are sent to the bank for a business loan, it helps with credibility.

  123. The “grammar Nazis” may be all of those things. I try to judge posts on their merit and not spelling or punctuation.
    I think the grammatical police are mostly either compulsive or just showing off. I like to think that there are “jewels” to be read Through errors and misspelling.

  124. I think these idiots can’t find enough to complain about, search through they may.
    So they wrack those narrow, one track ‘educated’ liberal brains until they come up with nonsense like this.And wonder why people roll their eyes whenever they open their mouths.

  125. Sorry she is nuts!

  126. No matter what color you are learn how to speak and write properly, that is the sure way to become successful.
    Please do not list to the elite left wingers they only want to keep you down.

  127. We all had the opportunity to learn the English language in grade school. If some group of people choose not to bother learning, that is not the fault of white people. It is the fault of the students and/or their parents.

  128. 90% of the time, the Grammar police are composed of liberal dem bloodsuckers , who have nothing to say but feel compelled to say something..
    The correct answer for these rocks is, FU

  129. disqus_b94LcxBhhW

    I’m a grammar junkie who worked hard to master the finer points of my birth language. It is clear on these social media sites and commentary threads just who has not worked hard at it. Unfortunately, many tend to be critical of my fair country in every respect, from the founding principles of the Constitution to our Judeo/Christian heritage; therefore, I become a bit rattled and protective. Calling them out on their poor grammar is just the tip of the iceberg. If they won’t master the language and assimilate into our culture, well, then please return to the country from whence you came and stay there.

  130. Stupid racist bitch!!..”The people pointing out the mistakes are more likely to be older, wealthier, whiter,” I suppose this Ebonics pushing liberal has tallied up the statistics. i aints, gwons ta speek no mo’ propa english no mor.

  131. In simple, somewhat crude English, apologies to sensitive readers, Fuck The Grammar Police

  132. Grammar rules exist in order to assure clear and precise communication. If you don’t care that your intended meaning may be misunderstood, then go ahead and ignore the rules.

  133. Yes, R. Zuidema, I thought my paying attention in school was good for something. Most of the grammar rules are easy (forget the nuances), to, too, i before e, correct spelling, etc. Frankly, it’s damned annoying to be on the reading end of those most basic boo boos. I was not the brainiest (had to check my spelling here) in my classes by a long shot but I do speak English, the language of our country. I am not ignorant. So I am now to be considered a dunce, or a snob because I know some grammar rules. No one denigrates non-English writers because we can plainly see those who are from another country and bless them for commenting, but it’s quite another thing to overlook stupidity. Keep your dictionaries handy people. Oh, and if you are looking for social justice, look somewhere else Mz. Chalabi.

  134. This article is just so much ill-informed bullshit! While I am a professional English writer, I also speak several other languages, and I actually welcome being corrected as a way to learn the “second” languages better. No one is laughing at me, but in fact most people compliment my attempts at their languages. So correcting someone’s grammar generally is a help not a hindrance.

  135. It is not too much to expect people to speak proper English. We spend more on our education than any civilized country. Maybe we should expect our teachers to speak proper English as well as teach. Wouldn’t it be great if their union expected that out of them!

  136. David Witenstein

    Bull Im older and white and slapdown grammar nazis every chance i get. Especially when their victims are trying hard to learn how to speak English. V omeafter me I will it you so hard the ony word you will remember is ignorant

  137. The elitist doesn’t want the general population to be educated cause it is one way for the de-population of
    the world.

  138. I would hope that we are silencing minorities, including some of the inept and obviously unwitting violators among the journalism set who, all too frequently, transgress the rules of English grammar. One of the liability factors in speaking more than one language is the tendency to translate, literally, from one language to the other. The English language is a combination of borrowings from several other languages, which makes it difficult to learn. Some of the rules pertaining to vestigial roots of the German language still appertain in the English verbal system. One of the most common errors in speaking English is the improper use of nominative and objective pronouns, especially, in compound usage. The rule is that the pronoun, whether in a singular or compound (and) construction is determined by its role in the sentence. If it is the subject of a verb phrase or clause, it is nominative case, “I, you, he, she, it, we, you, they.” If it is the direct object of a verb or the object of a preposition, it is in the objective case, “me, you, him, her, it, us, you, them.” It is annoying to read articles by people who graduated from college and, yet, do not know the rules of English grammar. It ought to be an embarrassment to them. But, for foreigners who have emigrated to the United States, it is particularly unfortunate and misleading when their education in the English language is informed by the errors of journalists who, quite simply, ought to know better. To write good, fluent English requires a lot of work. You can “keep it simple,” but, in the very least, it should be grammatically correct. Given the abuses of the entertainment industry with regard to language, it ought not to be considered a valid source of information for any foreigner who wishes to learn to speak English correctly. It is probably more offensive to a native speaker of English than it could possibly be to a foreigner who is fortunate enough not to understand it.

  139. Degradation not complete, continue…..

  140. Tell the author to blow it out her ass. My mother, who was first generation American, impressed upon us, her children, that it was imperative to learn the spoken language of the land, English. And most of the immigrants of he mother’s generation went to great pains to learn the ‘native’ tongue. To do otherwise would make you sound like a bloody ignorant immigrant. And, the immigrants were taking great pains to assimilate. My mother always said, “You can have all the money in the world, a big home, and fancy clothes, but if you can’t speak the language, you sound like a bloody moron.”

  141. Ther are two ways to look at this. This may be the preferred way to protect the non-minority students from unwanted influence being applied by the minority.

  142. Robbert Hoekstra Azusa

    So, what kind of grammar does she use in HER language, if any? Without proper grammar you go back to gang member language called slang. We have come a long way from the days of: me Tarzan, you Jane, and lest we forget cheetah. What’s wrong with proper grammar? Wished I could do better. Don’t you?

  143. Lets be clear about this and the internet snobs, you can take your internet police crap and put it up your snobbish ass. Now is that good enough for you. Do you under stand that, or is that to out their for you.

  144. WHO STARTED CAPS IS SHOUTING? IS REGEMENTATION MIND CONTROL? IS A MOMENT OF SILENCE A PRAYER MUZZLE? WHY ARE THERE SO MANY COMMUNISTS IN THE DEMOCRAT PARTY? WHY ARE THERE SO MANY DEMOCRATS IN THE RINO PARTY?

    MATCH MCCONEEL IS A FLAG BURNER OF RECORD. SEE YOU TUBE FLAG BURNERS OF RECORD ABUTOM.

    FIX NEWS MUST HAVE THE ZIKHA VIRUS.
    ALL THEIR BIG HEADS GOT REAL SMALL. THE ONLY MAIN STREAM AMERICANS LEFT ON FIX NEWS ARE LOU DOBBS THE FREEDOM FIGHTER. STU VARNEY THE AMERICAN, JUDGE JENINE, HANNITY THE HERO, GRETA, PAT REGAN, O’CONNOR THE GUEST . ALL THE REST ARE MISSED THE BOAT PEOPLE. THE USS DONALD TRUMP SAILED INTO VICTORY AND I HAVEN’T SEEN SO MANY PEOPLE CRYING SINCE THE BROOKLYN DODGERS LOST TO THE GIANTS ON BOBBY THOMPSON’S HOME RUN. BOBBY WAS FROM SCOTLAND AND WHEN HE HIT THAT HOME RUN MY ANCESTORS DID THE SCOTTISH SWORD DANCE FOR TWO DAYS.

    .IF DONALD TRUMP WAS A VEHICLE, HE WOULD BE A STEAM ROLLER. HE HAS MORE ENERGY THAN TEN RINOS OR TWENTY HITLERIES. THE LIEING COMMUNIST POLLS SAY HE IS LOSING. I’LL TAKE A PIECE OF THAT ACTION. RIGHT NOW OAN WHO COVERS FAIR AND IMPARTIAL NEWS IS SHOWING TRUMP LIVE. I SWITCH TO FIX NEWS. WE DISTORT WE DERIDE. IT USED TO BE WE REPORT YOU DECIDE BUT NO MORE. IT IS NOW THE HOME OF SUBTLE SABOTAGE. LED BY BILL O’REALLY? WHO FAKES BEING TRUMP’S DUTCH UNCLE THEN BRINGS OUT HIS PREDICTABLE NINJAHS, BERNIE GOLDFISH AND SOUR KRAUTHAMMER TO DO THE ICE PICK PRESENTATION.

    WHERE IS FIX NEWS WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS SPEAKING? FORGET ABOUT THE PRESUMPTIVE CANDIDATE. HE IS THE MAN FOR ALL PEOPLE. FIX NEWS IS DOING A ROAST CHICKEN COMMERCIAL COOK OFF. AND THE BUSINESS CHANNEL IS SELLING GOLD AS A HEDGE AGAINST THE COMING OBAMA CRASH.

    TRUMP IS THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK ALL THE REST ARE YESTERDAYS NEWS. THE MEDIA LIES, THE POLLS CAN’T BE TRUSTED. EXCEPT MY TWO POLLS STASHU AND WANDA WHO SAY IT IS TRUMP ALL THE WAY.

    HE WILL PULL A BIGGER PERCENTAGE OF UNION MEMBERS, GAYS, LATINOS AND GOSPEL BLACKS THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE. IF YOU THINK HITLERY HAS THE WOMEN VOTE, MAYBE SOME BUT NOT HOUSEWIVES WHO SHE LOOKS DOWN ON.

    DEFINITELY NOT THE WOMEN AND SECRET SERVICE AGENTS WHO HAVE BEEN ORDERED NEVER TO LOOK IN HER EYES. UNLESS YOU HAVE A BRIGHT MIRROR LIKE SHIELD.. TRUMP IS A THREE STATE A DAY CAMPAIGNER. HE REMINDS ME OF HARRY TRUMAN. HE ALSO REMINDS ME OF SECRETARIAT . THE TRIPLE CROWN WINNER WHO TOOK THE LEAD OUT OF THE GATE AND NEVER GAVE IT UP. I READ A LOT OF BLOGS AND i SEE WHO HATES HIM. THEY ARE NOT BUILDERS OF NATIONS. THEY ARE NOT 911 NEW YORKERS WHO COME FROM ALL OVER THE NATION UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.INCLUDING PRO LIFE BABIES. PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION AND WE WILL ALL STAY FREE.

    THANK YOU OAN FOR RUNNING THE MEDIA BLOCKADE OF THE TRUTH. WE SEE YOUR BRIGHT AND SHINING LIGHT.

    THE SMALLER THE GOVERNMENT THE SAFER THE PEOPLE. THOSE WHO WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY INTEND TO KILL YOU. THOSE WHO DIVIDE US WILL DESTROY US. GET REAL.BE COUNTED GO TRUMP.

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  145. More people just need to learn to use spell check.

  146. 100 to 1 the writer is a liberal Democrat minority that thinks like a victim. She ‘feels’ (rather than thinks) that teaching proper sentence structure, punctuation, and grammar is too hard for the “new” immigrants to be taught and ‘feels’ they should be allowed to bastardize our language. Pathetic!

  147. I support the position that grammatical errors to not negate an argument.

  148. The Elite Left Wingers loves having uneducated people so that they can use them as servants. Wake up people learn to speak and write proper English so that you also can get ahead just like the elite Left wingers did.
    Don’t allow the elite Left to keep you down.

  149. I have experienced them too. Nothing will stop me from expressing myself. These people are so full of themselves. I will always go up against a proud arrogant person for they are so sad in their little dark holes of pride.

  150. this is not snobbery, it is faggs pushing their agenda! is it approved that the American flag be flown @ half-staff today??

  151. English and grammar are taught in our schools for a reason. The proper use of language is another key to success. The ability to communicate clearly and succinctly is a skill to be appreciated. If someone critiques your grammar, take it as an opportunity to learn something constructive. It does not matter if the intent of the one who is critiquing is snarky or not; it is still a learning experience. And, by the way, old white men did not invent the English language in a vacuum. So please stop with the phony P.C. If I were learning Mandarin and someone corrected me, how foolish would I sound of I said that I was offended because the language was invented by old , yellow, Asian men?

  152. Dumb them down and drug them up – the commie way of “TRANSFORMING and TRANSGENDERING” AMERIKA, it’s working BIG TIME! REVOLUTION will be the SOLUTION – guaranteed!

  153. This is a pantload. Most of us would at least appreciate it if before posting, they would at least run their spell checker and in most cases, it is automatic. Then just re-read your post before sending it. It really isn’t that difficult. Of course bad grammar will most likely get through but some attempt is better than no attempt. We could care less what your ethnic background is but please try to show some intelligence.

  154. We continue to digress as a society allowing/accepting substandard communication skills…dumbing it down and down and down….what a shame

  155. Typical “Progressive” ploy. It’s another shot at Western Civilization, especially the U.S.. They want to turn the English -speaking nations into another tower of babel. With no dominant language, the Union disintegrates.

  156. What, another anti-white white criticism of good grammar in public forums? What a …. Surprise! Chalabi, grammar and syntax were invented to ensure the clear expression of thinking so that the recipient can understand EXACTLY what the speaker/writer meant.
    Mona, working for Leftist Guardian, are you native born British or Iraqi? Are British schools now teaching anything-goes-English so the ignorant won’t have their feelings hurt? Are there teachers unions in GB? A British version of Common Core?
    You Leftists wouldn’t admit it, but ignorant masses are SO easy to manipulate. Lenin would be proud!

  157. I think, this woman wants to lower the bar for every stupid person out there, including herself, who does not give a hoot about learning, or bettering themselves. She wants to lower bar so she and her kind can reach it! Next thing she will be complaining about God, being white.

  158. So what do we have here? Are we to be brainwashed to imply if a student or person doesn’t reach a certain “learning” scale, the schools reduce that learning curve so not to insult, belittle or demoralize those who decided learning and education was too difficult and not for them? This has nothing to do with a person’s race or economic standing and everything to do with “opening” the borders with those who have not bothered to learn the English language or muster the skills necessary to function on this earth, provide them with all the worldly benefits they can possibly imagine and forfeit their ability to think logically or rationally. Spelling, especially, is important. Punctuation is also important. Have you ever tried to read a statement or paragraph that has absolutely no punctuation, incorrect spelling and just runs on and on? Yes, indeed, computers do correct spelling and provide other avenues for communication, but what happens when the government pulls the plug on the internet or computers and one’s mind is left a complete blank. Who will be in charge of you then?

  159. Well, if people paid attention to what they’re doing we’d never have these so-called grammar police. It’s all a matter of being attentive. We’ve grown lazy in this country. Very sad.

  160. Who cares! They should not be here anyway! We got seriois problems. If they don’t like it, they can get the hell out!

  161. Many posting here have had a modern union teacher education. They will never post like those who went to school in the 50s, 60s and 70s when grammar, spelling and punctuation was taught in school.

  162. “From there, who knows where it will end?”

    Newspeak: that’s where. Orwell thought he was writing warnings. Libbies think he was writing HOWTO manuals.

    Doubleplusungood!

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