Gay Bible Rewrites the Word of God

Five Supreme Court Justices found within themselves the authority to rewrite the ancient definition of marriage, so a gay group has taken it upon themselves to do the same with the word of God. In an effort to resolve “any homophobic interpretations of the Bible,” the group has come out with the Queen James Version of the Good Book. Within its pages, they have taken the liberty of changing every verse that condemns homosexuality.

One example of the difference between the Queen James and the King James can be found in Leviticus 18:22. The original text reads as follows:

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.

The new, LGBT-approved text reads:

Thou shalt not like with mankind as with womankind in the temple of Molech: it is an abomination.

This new interpretation tackles each problematic verse in the same fashion, adding restrictions and disclaimers in an attempt to make Biblical condemnation of homosexuality a thing of the past. “We wanted to make a book filled with the word of God that nobody could use to incorrectly condemn God’s LGBT children, and we succeeded.”

A Meaningless Change

Changes like these only matter if you believe the Bible is just another man-created book of myth and fiction, subject to the trends and whims of the times. And if you believe that, then what is the point of worrying what it says to begin with?

If you believe instead that the Bible is the divinely-inspired, perfect word of God, then changing it to fit your political sensibilities is an exercise in futility. No, actually, it’s worse than that. It encourages Christians to cherry pick which parts of the book to follow and which parts to ignore. It deceives believers into thinking they are living lives that please their Creator.

Beyond the Fringe

If it ended with this group’s “Gay Bible,” it would be nothing more than a trivial story to laugh at. But there is ample reason to suspect that the “Queen James Version” could have a much larger influence on Scripture in the years to come. It wouldn’t surprise us to see these new gay-friendly verses find a home in mainstream copies of the Bible. It’s not even beyond the realm of possibility that these verses could eventually set the new standard while versions that retain the “homophobia” fall out of fashion.

Remember when the LGBT lobby promised that they had no interest in attacking Christian beliefs? Remember when they swore that they merely wanted equal rights? Yeah, those were lies if you haven’t figured it out by now. They didn’t – and don’t – want tolerance. They want fealty.

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  1. Let them have their gay unions.
    Let them have their faith.

    Let them bow down before God and ask for forgiveness.

    • there is just as much proof of the existence of the “tooth fairy” as there is for God.

      young people who have no intellect believe in the tooth fairy (children)

      • Children who believe in Santa and fairies, all to soon learn that they have liars for parents. The existence of God, and I mean the God of the Bible, has been and is proven over and over and over again and the only way you could say the things you put in print, is that you either are a moral degenerate, being paid to carry water for the evil people who have taken over our nation, or you are a blithering idiot.

        No matter which it is, you are going to be “persona non grata” on the day of judgement. To bad, you know their are people who waste food and people who waste money. There are even people who waste their lives, but you have risen to the highest level of wastefulness because you have not only wasted eternity, but you have heaped more punishment on yourself with your on stupidity written by your own hand and you couldn’t pay me all the gold in the world to be you.

        • “The existence of God, and I mean the God of the Bible, has been and is proven over and over”

          FINE. NOW link me to some of that evidence.

          On the day of judgement, I think the HATERS (religious nuts) are the ones who are going to have to answer.

          If YOUR God cared about humanity, he wold PROVE himself to be REAL.
          no sign of him in recorded history.

          that happens a lot in fairy tales.

          I await your links of proof, rumor has it the proof is all around.

          • You seem like a cranial light weight so I’ll start you on something simple. Take a look at it if you are serious.

            Go to youtubecom and look up, “Believe in God in 5 Minutes (Scientific Proof)”.

            If you don’t get it the first time, watch it again. It’s not that long.

            Again, this is just lightweight stuff, but if you get hungry for the Truth, I’ve got something that will blow your mind.

            Write back if you have questions.

          • The light shineth in the darkness and the darkness comprehendeth it not,

        • very well stated..Jimmy..but I feel it is a waste of time talking to Reality Check..he needs a reality check that is for sure..but the Bible states that in the end times that God will give ppl over to a reprobate mind after they have rejected him so many times..I think that RC is a perfect example of that..

      • Madelym Shockey

        I do NOT believe in the tooth fairy! I am a college graduate who tested out in the top two percentile of the United States. I say this to show you that I am not a child. I am intelligent. I am well educated and I study everything. Yes! There is a God. The evidence is all around you…but as Jesus said, you must seek to find!

        • that is why religious nuts embrace the word FAITH.

          link me to some hard evidence or admit it ALL about FAITH.

          • We all have faith in something. For instance, you have faith that your empty posts mean something to someone. All I see in the replies to your posts is a effort to help you see the Light while you grope in the darkness of a wasted life on the internet..

        • I have yet to see him, but there have been times I have felt his power, whether it was God or the great creator I can not tell you but what I have witnessed was beyond the scope of intellectual understanding. I once felt as reality does about the creator until I felt the power the first time
          At 175mph on a motorcycle I should have died but walked away with my life. It may take something like that to strip away the arrogance from him as it did for me.

      • Troll, responding to this one is like feeding a wild animal.

      • Just remember Psalms 14:1 and 53:1.

    • Are you a gay supporter also? Sorry, I ever liked anything you wrote. This is the line in the sand for the true followers of Christ and if you can’t see that, then you are not one of us.

      • Not sure what kind of logic you are using, but you are entitled to your own opinion.

        Gays will never be married, they can have their unions. But marriage is not for them to define. Nor is the bible, theirs to re-write.

        We will all be judged, and the judgement will come from God. Not man.

        • I can agree with the basis for your analogy, but it is your duty to take a stand against this evil. My brother is a pastor and has the same “couldn’t care less attitude” concerning the things that are happening.

          I have known him all my life, but recently I discovered that you never really know anyone. My own wife claims to be a Christian, but recently said that she will be taking the mark of the beast when it is offered if it means saving her life.

          So, now I know. I am surrounded by CINO’s. Christian in name only.

          If you haven’t got the backbone to stand for Him, then why should He stand for you?

          • I think you misread my posts. Not sure why you think I have not taken a stand.

            I feel it is very Christian to show compassion to these cursed individuals. A union would give them the rights declared by man to do what has been granted by man to do. That is visit their “loved ones” and such.

            A union by no means being sanctioned by man is nothing like a marriage that is sanctioned by God, and then licensed by man.

            If you want to fight against evil on earth. Join my boycott at. http://www.madashellboycott.com
            We are fighting to take down the socialists (and atheist) most powerful tool, a corrupt media.

          • To start with your premise of love is flawed. Their is no Love without God and these are truly Godless creatures. For you to pat them on the back and say, “be healed” is as foolish a thing as I have ever heard. The most beguiled of them are irritated by you and the most vile of them want you dead.

            God said kill them and I agree. They are the trash of the universe and for you to even suggest that they are some kind of future project is a clear indication of your lack of thought concerning the matter.

            The corrupt media you mention only serves as a side show for the wicked who would rather believe a lie than the Truth and they will be here until the end, because, after all, this is their world and the Christians are only living in it.

          • I did not know that there was no Love without God.
            Yes they are Godless creatures.
            We will all be judged by God for our actions.
            May God Bless you my friend.

      • Jimmy love the sinner hate their sin. Jesus said if you hate your brother you are a murderer.

        • Thanks, but I prefer to keep my distance from these monsters and if you had any idea what is going on, you’d come to the exact same conclusion as God and me.

          • Your choice brother but I love Jesus more than anything! As He said if you love me keep my commands and I try to as much as humanly possible as none of us are perfect until the day of redemption when we shall be changed to an incorruptible creation!

          • As your faith has made you whole, you shall be blessed. I have no quarrel with you, but do not think my mind is changed as I am charged by the Lord to tell the Truth, even till the end.

    • @mahb001 —you know that will never happen, an which of their luciferian gods will they ask forgiveness, ????????????????

  2. PERVERTED SICK DEGENERATES DESERVE BEING STONED TO DEATH SCOTUS DOES NOTMATTER

  3. When a young man come up and whispers “I’am a gay Christian,” he is doing two things, firstly soliciting and secondly saying that his homosexuality means more to him than his Christianity.

    • The Bible has to be stamped out or, at the very least, “re-written” because it is the one thing that condemns homosexuality. It is like looking into a mirror and seeing yourself for what you really are and the LGBT group cannot tolerate that, hence something has to be done about it. And you see what is happening.

      • since the bible HAS NO BEARING on US law, WHO CARES.

        Jefferson cut up the bible to include what HE LIKED.
        how is this different?

        the FF and gays, have the same rights.

        • If the Bible doesn’t have any bearing on US law, then why is the Gay Community so anxious to get in there an “cut it up”? It has no power, legally speaking, and yet their real mission is to totally stamp it out. Why?

          • Well Gary, first you would have to believe this lying rag of a website.

            maybe you should go find out the REAL reason by doing some research instead of being the dumb parrot that you seem to be.

            “and yet their real mission is to totally stamp it out. Why?”

            No moron it is not. in a FREE country, you can do what yo like with the book you buy
            just like the flag.

            if the silly con would like to try and prove this, go ahead.

            but in the real world, people just laugh at the silly things you wackadoodles say and think.

          • Do you enjoy calling people names? It is immature and adds nothing to the discussion.

          • Sadly Reality Check is like so many other people today: THEIR opinions aren’t just anything, they’re the ONLY thing! Go against them in the least little way, and they come out swinging with guns blazing and anything else they can muster to beat you into submission. If you notice too, they don’t write a lot of original stuff, but rather they take what YOU write and dissect it like a surgeon. Another sign that the Saul Alinsky “Rules for Radicals” is alive and well.

          • It makes Reality Check feel superior; and he is, somewhat. He is the biggest ass (the animal) on the internet.

          • Better that than believe you, you lying rag of nothing.

          • EVEN IF, they rewrote the book of fables, HOW would that make the version YOU READ any different?

            is your faith so shallow?

            so what if someone draws evil markings on a bible, is that going to make the world end?

            no

            it’s a friggin book.
            paper and ink.
            PERIOD.

            it only has meaning if YOU give it that power.

            cons must be weak minded.

          • Beware, Psalm 59:8. That speaks to you.

          • I think I get it now! You’re so against conservatives because we lean toward Christianity, Jewry, religion and moral decency and away from Sodomy and queers! While the perverted minds of the liberals (no pun intended) eat it up.

          • So why are you on this site? Answer, you are troll , probably paid by the lgbt. I do not go to lgbt sites to harass people, as a matter of fact, any source I believe to be false , I simply don’t visit. You are now in such a state I’m pretty certain spittle is running down your chin, your eyes are rolling in your head and you are writhing in agony, so why not leave this site?

          • You sur have that one backward.

          • Because Gary they are driven and ruled by Satan the father of lies and deceptions and who hated God that he wanted to take his place and lost and the only thing left is for him to deceive and destroy as many of those that God has created because he knows how much God loves each and every one! But God has given us free will to choose for ourselves so that He receives only those who love Him.

        • So because Jefferson did this to the bible, that makes it right?? You don’t need much to confirm what you believe do you?? Over 600,000 Americans have died of aids and there is NO cure for aids only very expensive medication to just keep them alive and spread almost entirely making love to another man’s stink hole which is the filthiest part of your body. VERY SICK

          • “So because Jefferson did this to the bible, that makes it right”
            YES it does.
            FREE speech makes is RIGHT.
            the Constitution makes it right.

            what does aid s have to to do with your silly book of fables?
            are you getting desperate?

            or insane?

            I think the ignorant con is unaware that MANY hetero couples are
            making love to another persons stink hole.

            probably some of your friends

          • More than 600,000 Americans have died of aids and there is no cure for aids only very costly medication just to keep them alive . Most moral laws are made from the Bible and i think you might have problem with your brain–you really should see a doctor because it could be a cancer and you can’t think very well. I hope you don’t have aids

          • Free speech makes it legal, not right. There is a difference between legal and right.

          • You are out of line and definitely , what little sanity you had has fled.

          • I said something that was not true?

            I know cons hate facts (and science).
            but you are going to have to come to terms with your intolerant eventually.

          • Jefferson did nothing to the bible. He did not change it – he only wrote out certain passage that he liked best and made a book of them. He did not change anything about the bible.

        • Earthly rights, not godly rights !

        • However, reality check, it does .Our Creator is mentioned in our Declaration of Independence.

          • that is correct, just like they mention Natures God and Natural Laws.
            these are all Deist terms, not Christian terms

          • As you were. At that time in history, they were Christian terms. How would you think that unless you have been indoctrinated. By the way, I led a homosexual to become a Christian (only one). He immediately began crying and thanking me for freeing him, although I didn’t. Christ did. He can and will do it for you too. I’m sure you read my post on how.

        • the Bible was the founding reference of our original U.S. law. So Jefferson was sort of like the Sodomite churches, i.e., the Metropolitan Community Church? Nobody ever denied Queers any rights until they began flaunting their perverted lifestyle in our faces and in the faces of our children. I know I was know as “Queer bait” in my teen years. I could hardly leave my house without being stalked and/or propositioned. My last encounter was the day I retired from the Marine Corps. I never assaulted one, but it was hard to resist.

      • This country was founded on CRISTian faith in the Bible, and not Man’s laws. Homosexuals that are seeking to get Man’s laws to sanction their immoral life style are living in sin. And don’t give me the BS that God blessed you marriage, the Devil did. Being in love does not make it right, try telling God that when you take your last breath. My Bible says; “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”

        Gen. 9:1 & 7

        • Absolutely. Many people like to claim that the Founding Fathers were “diests”. Baloney. Virtually ALL of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were God fearing individuals who KNEW their history of which nations were successful … and WHY. Patrick Henry had even stated that we should strive to elect CHRISTIANS to political positions. Our nation has sunk to the level of Sodom and Gommorah because we have taken our “eye off the ball” and elected riff-raff to public offices. We all know what happened to those cities (and what their sin was) and now it is happening to us. How many times can you say it, “those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them”?

          • nice link proving your crap.

            http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
            http://history.hanover.edu/hhr/hhr93_1.html

            find the words
            “Natures God” or “Natures Laws” in the bible and get back to me.

            you DO KNOW that they are in the declaration, right silly con?

          • God Bless you Gary for quoting my favorite Patriotic founding father that “we should always elect Christians to our leaders and governors” I live not far from his home in Red Hill, VA. “Give me Liberty or give me death” Stand strong brothers and sisters!

          • You got it, 4truth4evr! Here’s a little something else I uncovered that you may like:

            As you walk up the steps to the Capitol Building which houses the Supreme Court you
            can see near the top of the building a row of the world’s law givers and each
            one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view
            – it is Moses and the Ten Commandments!

            As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten
            Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door. As you sit inside the
            courtroom, you can see the wall right above where the Supreme Court judges sit
            a display of the Ten Commandments!

            There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.

            James Madison, the fourth president, known as “The Father of Our Constitution” made the following statement “We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”

            Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said, “It cannot be
            emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by
            religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ”.

            Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher, whose salary has
            been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.

            Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.

            Thomas Jefferson worried that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of
            interpreting the law would begin making law….an oligarchy….the rule of few over many.

            The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said, “Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers.”

            How then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done for 200 years in
            this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional?
            ****************************************************
            I was a little off on the Patrick Henry quote … that actually belonged to John Jay, as you see above. Yet Patrick Henry told it like it was as to what principles this country was founded on. And Thomas Jefferson? Boy he really hit the nail on the head, didn’t he? Just look at the brazenness of the way the Supreme Court has been acting lately.
            Of course, what I have written here will probably get Mr. Reality Check in a dither, but that’s ok. He has his beliefs and we have ours.
            You take care my friend!

          • I lived right outside of DC for about a year once(worst year of my life) and visited much of DC’s historical places and everywhere you turned there was evidence to our huge Christian heritage but if you walk around with blinders on you can miss it! God Bless

          • I have seen and read about those. those need to be brought to the attention of the current leftists on the Supreme Court.

          • Won’t do any good. The “fix” is in. If this country doesn’t get down on its knees pretty soon, we will all be brought to our knees … by people that we’re not going to like.

          • Now it can be understood, that God removed His Hand from this nation, also be it known that God ordains all governments so in fact, God put Obama in office because God can use evil for good also. but in this case, He is using Obama for the woe. do you notice how much woe Obama is causing this nation, and all the time God is sitting on His Throne laughing a laugh I would love to hear. This nation is already dead because the people tossed God out of every thing, schools, and even a lot of churches tossed Him out……80% of this nation claim Christianity, 17% claim other religions and only about 11,000,000 people are worshipping the Lord in churches each and every time the doors open, that represents about 3% of this nation, the 80% are the real reason God took His hand away. They claim but won’t prove their love for God because they enjoy living in this world and feel it’s a nice thing to call ones self Christian, they come under what Jesus said, Many will say, Lord, Lord but not see the Kingdom of Heaven, A real Christian is waiting by His door posts for the Lord could take His church any day, My brother Billy Graham is at the door posts also. for those who really want to know what’s going to happen to America, there is seven verses that tell the whole story of the nation beyond the fringe of civilization in Isaiah’s day over 2700 years ago (Isaiah 18 1-7) the old King James of 1911 said….Woe to that nation covered by the eagles wing, beyond civilization who sends ambassadors by the sea, a people tall and smooth, strong from their beginning and when they lift a flag on a hill, the whole earth sees and when they blow a horn, the whole world hears, the land surveyed from coast to coast and the rivers divide and a nation trampled down and the rivers have spoiled, that was Isaiah 18:1,2, and 3 and 4, 5, and 6 are what happens to the people, if you want to know, you read it but verse 7 tells that a small potion of the people will be in Mount Zion in praise to God. I know you all love this nation but you have to also know there is no hope for it because the people are in full apostasy mode and running from God as fast as they can. and in Christ, our only hope is the rapture.

          • God IS coming for us, there is no question of it. Look at the promises God made to the Children of Israel back in the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy. He enumerated all of the blessings that they would receive if they obeyed his laws (foundation being the Ten COmmandments) and he also detailed what would happen if they rejected them. Massive droughts (and eventually famines) were right up at the top of the list. Does the State of California come to mind with all of its problems of the past several years? You can say it is only ONE state, but that “one” state feeds more people in this country than many of the others combined! If you look at the “drought” map that the National Weather Service puts out, it doesn’t take a Philadelphia lawyer to figure out that God is hitting us “where we live”.
            Another thing God said is that he would “break the pride of our power”. In other words, we wouldn’t have the b*lls to stand up to anybody anymore and that has been happening for over 60 years now. We were so victorious in WWII and yet, five years later, we were jacked around by North Korea. Then came VietNam and, well, you get the point. We have all of this “firepower” and are terrified to use it. Look at our neutered Secretary of State and how he came out of Iran recently.
            It ain’t looking good my friend. Time for all of us INDIVIDUALLY to get our acts together so when our Maker does return, we can give Him a proper accounting.
            Like somebody once said, “Better to believe in a God and find out there isn’t one, than to NOT believe in a God and find out there IS one!”

          • That is why God is mentioned in the declaration of independence.

        • hate to break your bubble (not really)

          First off low info religious nut, the word BIBLE and Christianity is NOT in either the Constitution or the Declaration.

          BUT the Deist God is mentioned.

          lets look at the Declaration shall we?

          “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people
          to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,
          and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal
          station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a
          decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
          declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

          now you should look up WHO Natures God IS.
          Look up Laws of Nature and see WHO they are connected with?
          DEIST GOD my silly con.

          http://history.hanover.edu/hhr/hhr93_1.html

          http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html

        • shall we discuss how the Constitution has wording PROHIBITING and Religious test for office?
          IF they wanted Christianity to be the guide, that seems SILLY to put in such a rule in the Constitution.

          explain if you dare.

          • Since you can not seem to understand, it was put in so anyone could hold office, many religions can not swear to anything but God,but they may give their oath, this way they could hold office, it was also put in so that say, a law can not be passed that only Catholics, or Methodist are the only ones allowed to hold office. Or to make sure one religion doesn’t become the only Church like the Church of England became. We have the freedom to worship as we feel, not what the government tells us. Once again a lib tries to twist the Constitution.

          • Michael Dennewitz

            Trying to explain anything to that lil halfbreed, queer Un-Reality check is like trying to lift your car off the ground, all by yourself. Yes, I know. The lil fag will come back with what he thinks is an intelligent remark, but all of you are the only ones that will see it. A friend programmed my phone to detect any bullshit from him/it and spans it! Waste your time if you must, it gets worse! ROFLMAO

          • Well, there you go playing on words. The word “trinity isn’t in the Bible, nor is the word “rapture” but both are a thoroughly explained therein. Although our founding documents do not mention the Bible or Christianity, this Nation and it founding documents and founders relied almost completely upon its principles. Just to name a few:
            1. The British gave Christian pastors credit (blame) for starting the Revolutionary war. 2. The first Democratic Government and religious freedom was started by Rev. Roger Williams, Governor of Rhode Island and Baptist pastor. 3. Congress, 1854: “The great, vital, and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.” 3. U.S. House Judiciary committee in 1854; “Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle…In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity…That was the religion of the founders of the Republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.” 4. John Adams, “Three general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the principles of Christianity.” 5. John Quincy Adams, “The declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.” 6. Gunning Bedford, “To the triune God – the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost – be ascribed all honor and dominion, forever – Amen.” 7. Elias Boudinot, “I move that some minister of the Gospel be requested to attend this Congress every morning…In order to open the meeting with prayer.” 8. Charles Carroll, “Grateful to Almighty God for the blessings which, through Jesus Christ our Lord, He had conferred on my beloved country…” 9. John Jay, “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” 10. Thomas Jefferson, “I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.” 11. James Manning, “I rejoice that the religion of Jesus Christ prevails in your parts.” 12. Henry Marchant, “…You are able to read of Him and of Jesus Christ, your Savior and Redeemer, and to do every other needful business of life.” 13. “”George Mason, “I give and bequeath my soul to Almighty God that gave it me, hoping that through then meritorious death and passion of our Savior and Redeemer Jesus Christ to receive absolution and remission for all my sins.” 14. James KcHenry, “Bibles are strong protections. Where they abound, men cannot pursue wicked courses and at the same time enjoy quiet conscience.” 15. John Randolph of Roanoke, “I am at last reconciled to my God and have assurance of pardon through faith in Christ.” 16. Benjamin Rush, “By renouncing the Bible, philosophers swing from their moorings upon all moral subjects…It is the only correct map of the human heart that ever has been published.” It is the duty of all of us to acknowledge that the Divine Law which requires us to love God with all our heart and our neighbor as ourselves…” 17. George Washington, “You do well to wish to learn our ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ.” 18. Daniel Webster, “Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens.” 18. Noah Webster, Schoolmaster to America, “The Christian religion…is the basis, or rather the source, of all genuine freedom in government…I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of Christianity have not a controlling influence.”
            This is just the tip of the iceberg of our Nation’s Christian beginnings, there are dozens more men and testimonies available on the internet. You may see by the last entry the reason for our failing existence as the world’s greatest nation.

          • You don’t have to be religious or a Christian to have moral character. Before they began to burst out of the closet, you couldn’t tell the difference between a heterosexual and a homosexual out on the street, or on the job, or in school, or anywhere, unless you were “queer bait”.

          • that is very true Aubrey, but what does that have to do with the religious test in the constitution?

        • Vicki Kuner Mattingly

          AMEN!!

        • Did the bible not say it will be like the days of Noal in the end times, I am 82 years old, been in Christ for 48 years and I most likely am in the greatest generation of the past 2000 years and will see the taking of the church

        • SThe Supreme Court does not have the power to make new laws. therefore, the law about gays marrying is not valid. Only Congress can make laws. The Supreme Court’s job is to uphold the Constitution and that is it.

      • They still want to be able to ‘call’ themselves Christians.

      • No, it does not have to be stamped out or “re-written” and will not be either. So, the LGBT group cannot tolerate that. They don’t have to tolerate It, It is the Christian bible and it will stay just as it was originally written

      • No, it does not, and will not, be re-written. so get over that idea.

    • “I’am a gay Christian,””
      is NOT soliciting ,less than intelligent human.
      But it does prove that Christianity and gays can exist together, SAD FOR YOU.

      many Christian Churches will marry gay.
      PROOF that the 2 are compatible.

      do YOU get decide who Jesus likes?

      I think that is a sin.

      • …he said as he swirled around in the toilet bowl.

      • Reality still doesn’t make. It right!!!

      • Madelym Shockey

        Jesus loves the sinner, but hates their sin. God said laying with same sex partners is an abominable sin. No one in the LGBT community has the right to change God’s word. Do they think that the Christian community will accept their altering of God’s word? Read Revelation 22:19 for the answer! Yes, Christians and Gays can be compatible because God taught Christians to hate the sin, but love the sinner. We cannot judge LGBT community, but God will! He will judge us all!

      • You are proof that the Devil is alive and doing very well. Any true Christian following the Bible knows that Jesus would NOT approve of such a degrading life style and is very definite in his teaching. I may not judge you in your final death here on earth but if you think you can openly defy Jesus you are wrong and you WILL go to Hell. It is written and is Gods word. Please don’t try and say you are a Christian when you CAN”T be. Didn’t Aids tell you anything??

        • “Any true Christian following the Bible knows that Jesus would NOT approve of such a degrading life style”

          Jesus never mentioned gays, silly con.
          DARE YOU to post ANY words against gays said by Jesus.

          • Maybe He didn’t mention them by word, but His teaching on morality includes sexual morality unless you are so mentally dense you can’t comprehend. The light shineth in the darkness and the darkness comprehendeth it not (John1:5). Jesus’ Father burned them alive. That’s okay though. You don’t believe all those fables. You’re right, it doesn’t matter whether you believe it now or not. But you will, when its too late.

      • you are a confused individual who has never had anything to do with Christianity, but listen to our luciferian society which dominates our govnt

        • the GOP dominated government?

          such silliness.

          you should not be allowed to vote for being a moron.

          • And you should check again as to how often the government has been GOP dominated. For the vast majority of the past 60 years, one or both Houses of Congress have been dominated by the Democrats. What you see today is more of an anomaly than the norm.
            By the way, do you do anything useful (like earning a living) besides being a professional know-it-all and name-caller? Oh yeah, you’re not a Christian so you can get away with doing that. George Orwell was right: we’re all equal, but some are more equal than others.

          • You should not be allowed for being an out of the closet pervert. At one time, when we were still considered a moral nation (if not Christian), your sexual activities were against the civil law. By the way, they will once again be punishable by death when your Muslim friends take over. No, not the ones that are living now. They’re all going to be decapitated. Talk about MORONS! and even if they don’t take over as planned, Christ will someday and Sodomy will once again be against the law in either case. FOOL!

      • Yes, Christianity and gays can exist together. Christianity can exist together with a lot of things.

        “Many Christian Churches will marry gay”. Yes they will, but that has nothing to do with “compatibility” and everything to do with Political Correctness. What is proves is this:

        (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)
        13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

        14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

        15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
        In other words, are these places REALLY “Christian” churches?
        You ask Tea Tephi if she gets to decide who Jesus likes. I ask you … do YOU get to decide what sin is?

        • you think citing the bible is going to do much in a secular country?

          we are NOT governed by your book of fables.
          GET THAT STRAIGHT.

          “do YOU get to decide what sin is?”

          we decide what is against the law.
          sin is something you silly religious nuts talk about because you believe in the book of fables.

          • Ah, there you go again, Mr. I-know-Everything. You should be sitting next to Rachel Maddow on MSNBC, for she knows everything as well, and would probably tell you that if you ask her. You say this is a secular country? Where did you hear THAT from? Certainly you didn’t make that answer up because you are not capable of thinking for yourself. The Bible is a book of fables? You would know that how …? “Get that straight”? Wow, that sounds like a command Herr Commandant. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Such vitriol thou art spewing.
            When I asked you do YOU decide what sin is, wow, did you get defensive. “We” decide what is against the law. Who is “we”? You, and others that think the same way that you do? Please enlighten me since I am so stupid in your eyes.
            Sin is NOT something us silly religious nuts talk about because we believe in a book of fables. First of all, the Ten Commandments were set down as rules to be followed, O Wise One. If you think they are fables, take a good look at each one of them. If you are a law-abiding citizen, you will find that you are following the vast majority of them already! Wonder how a “secular” country got hold of something like that? Huh?
            The Old Testament is filled with all sorts of historical accounts that can be corroborated by any High School World History Book. Take a walk through the Book of Daniel, if you dare (one of your terms), and see that there were to be only four world-ruling governments throughout the course of time: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greco-Macedonia, and Rome, the last of which has had several resurrections since 476 a.d.. All of this is provable in secular history.
            Maybe YOU are the one who should be checking some sources other than your vaunted websites before you call us “silly”, “cons”, “moron”, “religious nuts” and other sweet, non-offensive names.

          • You are beginning to show your true colors (no, not the fact that you are a sexual pervert). You are a mental pervert (fool). Psalms 14:1 and 53:1.

      • Gay and Christian is an oxymoron and impossible!

    • And we know that you can’t be a Christina and a sodomite. Homosexuality is an abomination unto the Lord.
      You shall not lie with a man like as with women;
      this is an abomination. Leviticus 18: 22

      • a list of Christian churches that accept LGBT, just in North America ignorant one.

        Affirming Pentecostal Church International
        The Anthem Network
        Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
        AXIOS – Eastern and Orthodox Gay and Lesbian Christians
        Catholic Apostolic Church in North America
        Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
        Community of Christ
        Ecclesia Gnostica
        Ecumenical Catholic Church
        Ecumenical Catholic Communion
        Episcopal Church (United States)
        Eucharistic Catholic Church
        Evangelical Anglican Church In America
        Evangelical Catholic Church
        Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
        Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada
        The Evangelical Network
        Friends General Conference
        Friends of Jesus Fellowship
        Global Alliance of Affirming Apostolic Pentecostals
        Inclusive Orthodox Church
        Independent Catholic Christian Church
        Independent Greek Orthodox Church of the United States
        Metropolitan Community Church
        Old Catholic Church
        Presbyterian Church (USA)
        Progressive Christian Alliance
        Reformed Anglican Catholic Church
        Restoration Church of Jesus Christ (Salt Lake City, Utah, USA) — a Latter Day Saint denomination
        The Progressive Episcopal Church
        United Catholic Church
        United Church of Christ
        United Church of Canada
        Unity Church

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations

        try to be better informed.

        • So what, Jesus told us that there would be much apostasy and a great falling away from the faith right before His return. Saying you are a Christian means you have shed your selfishness and repented and turned from your sins not continuing on in them and accepted a selfless servitude to Him who died for our sins. You cannot be a Christian when you live a lifestyle that He has already deemed to be an abomination and your sins cannot be forgiven lest you turn from your sin and ask for forgiveness and live away from that sin. My prayer is that y’all realize that before it’s too late because once you die there are no more chances.

          • Amen! Being in Christ causes us to be a new creation of His Spirit and the sin of the past is just that, in the past and God remembers it no more.

          • Everyone commits some kind of sin throughout their lives. It could be something as simple as gossip or eating too much. But you have to be TRYING to change, and you do have to ask forgiveness from time to time, and try harder not to do it again. No one becomes perfect just because they become a Christian. That can’t be achieved in this lifetime. Just because you’ve turned from sin doesn’t mean that you won’t slip from time to time. We are ALL tempted, and we all sin. No one has given it up for good. If we could become perfect here, there would be no need for Christ.

          • because we do sin and we are not perfect is why Jesus died on the cross on the cross – to pave our way to Heaven

          • No, Jesus is not a paver, Jesus took all the sin of the world upon Him, on the cross, He came just to die for us and pay our debt….to set us free, we are free of even the ten commandments, the laws of condemnation for they could only condemn you if you even failed one of them so praise God you don’t come under those laws but are set free. free to love Him, sense Jesus took all out sin and made us sinless and God the Father says He won’t even remember our sin, truly means we are sinless in the eyes of God because all the sin was dwelt with on the Cross that they hung our Lord on, He could have called 12 legends of Angles for help if He didn’t want to be hung there, after all, He Jesus was God and I love the words in John 1…..In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God………….And the Word took on flesh and dwelt among us.
            Sure we will fail in our Christian walk many times, turn from the error and know that God still took all your sin on HIm on the cross and that makes you sinless before God, now smile because that is the only way you can share in Heaven

          • Yes, He is a paver. He made it possible for you sand me to go to Heaven in spite of our sins, as w have sinned. One can only get into Heaven if he is perfect; therefore, Jesus died on the cross so our sins will be forgiven.

          • Paul says, Who will save me from this sin, and then says Christ will………..but please, may I correct you as a brother…….TRYING to change, we can’t do it in our power, let go and let God…..YOU DO HAVE TO ASK FOR FORGIVNESS FROM TIME TO TIME….When I asked God for forgiveness many years ago, for all my sins, He forgave me for them all, from birth to present and to rapture or death, one time was all I had to ask…….now I have gone thought so far my Christian life by always admitting my sin to the Lord…..Oh Lord, I am sorry, I did it again, help me do right, and that is different than asking for forgiveness over and over and over when He says just admit them and seek to do right the next time, we are built in all ways to fail in this life for we have two natures, the old nature is still there and we have a new spirit nature, what one we feed is the one that shows and grows……I surrendered and God reached down to the bottom of the barrow for me back in 1967 when I was in the military, I am now 82 years young, blessed in Christ and attend a southern Baptist church and my ministry is to everyone that says hello to me……

          • 2 years ago The Holy Spirit moved me , quite insistently, to go to a certain church, a Southern Baptist church. 🙂 I have never been a church goer, grew up in a Godless environment, not much I haven’t seen or experienced. Anyways, for 2 or 3 years, almost every day I drove by that church and The Holy Spirit would stir every time I went by. I kept saying, I will go but not this week. One Sunday headed into town, God said, “Today” . I turned into the church parking lot. Went in, quite honestly prepared to defend myself against people who thought they were better then me, instead, I was greeted with true love and acceptance. I go to church every Sunday and attend every bible study I can.

          • I try to ask for help with EVERY thing that I do. We are supposed to perform our works unto the Lord. And of course, I ask forgiveness, as you do. If you say, I’m sorry, I did it again, help me do right, that meets the requirements for asking for forgiveness. Admit your sin, ask forgiveness, try to do better with His help. I have felt His presence ALL my life, as far back as I remember. He lets me know He’s there by surprising me every day with His favor, and little things that he allows to happen to and for me. And he has literally saved my life numerous times. He watches out for me when things are going along well, and He watches out for me when I don’t have enough sense to watch out for myself. So I know who He is, and what He is all about. I know Christ is my Savior, and I’m glad that he will be my judge, and not so many people that point fingers and try to judge me to hell. And I’m not directing this last sentence at you. Thanks for your comment. And thanks for your service to our country, if that applies. There aren’t many men your age who didn’t fight in a war. God bless you.

          • My walk with the Lord has shown me that it is The Holy Spirit who works in us so that we can be victorious and turn our backs on our sin. We must be listening and it is a struggle, but, for me at least, God is helping me to turn away from those things that tempt me, one by one. It’s not a matter of being without sin, it’s more a matter of believing God , knowing that what he calls sin is sin. We must ask forgiveness of our sins, we can’t do that without embracing God’s truth. People who teach or follow false doctrine so that they can continue to sin are not God’s children, they have allowed themselves to be deceived so that they can continue on with their sin. They damn themselves to hell.

          • But not everyone has it all together like you do. It sounds like you are saying that I have deceived myself and I have damned myself to hell. That’s passing judgment without knowledge of what you are judging. That is two sins right there. Judgment is reserved to Jesus Christ, alone. He will judge and say who goes to hell. You are judging from a warped perspective if you place yourself higher than others because you think you are special in His eyes, or you place yourself higher than Christ. He loves us all. And He is willing to wait on us. You may be judging somebody to hell that He sees fit to enter His Kingdom, or is PATIENTLY waiting for them to come around. That is another sin. WE don’t know what relationship anyone has with the Creator, therefore WE can’t pass our judgment onto others and declare where they are going. That is trying to usurp power from Christ. How do you think HE will judge you for those thoughts. Live and let live, or as Christ put it, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And STOP passing judgment. That is Christ’s, and Christ’s only. And if everybody in your church does this, and that’s where you learned it, you need to find another church.

          • That re-birth is: getting that new Spirit that puts us back in commune with our Heavenly Father, isn’t it great………..

          • Amen to that. Our God is an Awesome God!!!

          • AMEN!!!!! That’s the truth!!

          • I agree with all that you have wrote in this post…..except…….y’all
            This is in jest, I am playing with you, I love you brother, or sister I do love y’all…..in fact, I so miss a sister in Christ from Georgia, thanks for the memory.

        • Romans 1:18-32. II Timothy 3 and II Timothy 4, plus others. False gospels and teachings in the end of days. It’s not a surprise that so many false churches are turning their backs on Christ. Even God knew this would happen.

        • That is a list adding to the “ignorant ones.” No True Christian Church that preaches the Bible believes or embraces homosexuality but preach against it as it is sin.

        • This “proves” nothing. The word is written and just because some “churches” have decided to bend to the will of the left does not make it the gospel.

        • All that glitters is not gold. Can you also list all the “Christian” churches that support Communism? Be prepared to type for a long, long while if you want to list these apostate churches along with the short list of apostate churches you have already listed. A church that accepts “abominations to God” is not a church of God and Christ, but a church of Satan and his goats. Since you know so much about Christianity, you surely have read the words of Christ spoken to the Pharisees (officers of the Jewish church) in John 8:41-47; “Ye do the deeds of your father…If God were your Father ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words; ye therefore heareth them not, because ye are not of God.”
          That pretty much sums up the position of your list of apostate church and the list I just added for you. In your own words, “Try to get better informed.”

        • RC, do you think truth is subject to some kind of majority rule?

          Even if I do not believe in the Bible it is an established set of laws, principles, and beliefs deeply immersed in the greatest study of human nature ever produced. Of ITSELF it has proven to be right 100% of the time – for the last 2000 years (plus). And now a bunch of pin-head pinkohs think they can just change it to suit their agenda?

          And isn’t this the most hypocritical of all things to do? To reject the principles of the Bible and then revise it to placate those gays who just can’t live without Christian spiritual guidance. This mocks not only the Christian God but Common sense as well! Of course, we all know this is about destroying the very fabric of Christianity – not about spiritual guidance.

          If this is not a witness to how degenerate this society has become as in Rom 1:22 “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of
          the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man”, then I don’t know what is!

          Hey, when are they going to revise the Koran? I’m looking FORWARD to that!

          • “RC, do you think truth is subject to some kind of majority rule”
            truth and the majority/minority are not relevant to each other.
            silly question.

            your problem is getting caught up in marriage as this Holy thing.
            IT”S NOT.
            its a civil contract that has a 1000 legal and tax benefits.
            end those 1000 benefits and you cons have a case.

            those 1000 benefits ARE what made the court rule this way.

            unfortunately you cons have your head so far up God butt to not see the true Issue a hand.
            EQUALITY.

            when are you silly religious nuts going to get it through your thick skulls that the rest of us DON’T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT YOUR GOD.

            WE are a SECULAR NATION. get used to it.

            Jefferson CHANGED the bible, I have yet to hear the condemnation of that, hypocrite.

          • You may be secular, however,you are not the nation. You may and should speak for yourself but you may not and do not speak for the nation.

          • You are a very minute percent of this nation.

          • “truth and the majority/minority are not relevant to each other.” – RC

            Of course they’re not! So you must have had a different reason for listing all those churches – perhaps to, somehow, cause all those “amateur” Christians to wonder; “if the Expert Theologians are okay with re writing the bible; it must be okay – oh my!”
            How quaintly Alinskian…

            “your problem is getting caught up in marriage as this Holy thing.” – RC

            My Problem! Let’s be straight with the semantics here, RC (who is always cocked full conceited condescending advice!!) YOU are the one with a problem! More accurately; “I (RC) have a problem with the perception that YOU (Derrell1970) have gotten caught up in marriage as a holy thing”. WHERE EVER did I say marriage is holy. Even if I did believe that – none of your business btw – who are you to judge what I believe – WHO the h_ll gave YOU the right to define my core vales!!! What you need to do is reign in that BIG FAT EGO!

            Furthermore, WHO are you to determine what any of us know – about marriage, tax codes, or anything else?! Are you so blinded by your own “magnificence” that you think none of us already know these things?

            Let’s get this straight – I’m NOT a Christian! I don’t have my head up any deities butt. I may quote the Bible but that is because I have my head up the Butt of the Truth! And there is a vast reservoir of Truth in the Bible – Several thousand years worth. But you so HATE the Bible that you cannot see that! Are you the pompous fool who thinks he can break Natural Law and get away with it? There is one certainty about the TRUTH – it ALWAYS wins!

            Do you know of any decadent society hat ever lasted for long? What Nation that sold out its own virtues ever endured? This Secular Nation you are so fond is going to eat itself up!!! (That is no judgment – that is a principle narrated by history). The wise seek the council of something greater than himself! The fool never considers his own END!

            This “secular nation” has sold her own virtues like a whore that she has become!

            Jefferson changed the Bible? You need to provide references – this I want to look into. (As if he might be the only one who ever rewrote the bible – AGAIN you judge ME with half truths and apples to oranges!) In the meantime I’ll say this; I very seriously doubt Jefferson published any re write of the bible and I’ll bet he never had a list of 34 churches that preached his re writes to their congregations! And I’ll bet he never scoured the bible to remove anything that condemned homosexuality!
            Frankly, if I WERE to judge you I would judge you a fraud – you have no clue about reality!

          • Darrel , you just go off the deep end at times, so I am going to be selective in
            what i address, since I haven’t the time to address ALL the crazy here.

            “Furthermore, WHO are you to determine what any of us know – about
            marriage, tax codes, or anything else?! Are you so blinded by your own
            “magnificence” that you think none of us already know these things?”

            well Darrel, IF you cons were aware of the tax codes and the benefits then why are you low info humans continually talking about things that ARE NOT THE ISSUE.

            EQUALITY is the issue.
            so when cons talk about EVERY OTHER aspect of the marriage issue EXCEPT the tax benefits, that kind of points to YOU missing the POINT.

            make sense Darrel?
            I think it is you who is thin skinned and taking things WAY out of context.

            you might be bias.
            I know that is judgmental, but at this point I think you have earned it.
            By the way, I a retired white male, union pension in Ca.

          • Clue, RC – don’t assume I don’t know something because I don’t make the arguments you expect!

            The Tax codes. Ca-ca! The tax codes are a convenient excuse for a bunch of whiny cry-babies who are willing to violate the rights of other people (they don’t like) for their own selfish lust! We all know about the tax codes! Understand? Get over it!

            Equality – MORE ca-ca. “Men” have never been equal to each other! Some are taller, or fatter, stronger, or smarter. Some are mentally retarded and some are genuinely stupid! Some are even older… We are equal only in the sense that we are all created equally human by what ever! Because we are all human no one of us is more human or less human than any other human. In that humanity we are equally bestowed with unalienable rights! It is wrong to enslave another human bering. It is wrong to deprive any human of their unalienable rights unjustly. Our rights and our nature are intrinsic! In fact, you cannot remove those rights from us without destroying our humanness.

            But sly lies have trained us to believe EVERYTHING is a right – with the designed purpose of dilutting the sovereignty of TRUE unalianable rights. This is yet another communist tactic to trick us out of what is rightfully ours and give over to the state the privilage of granting rights! (A usurpation of our individual sovereignty.) The State does NOT grant us rights they can only protect our freedom to exercise those rights – or deprive us of using them!

            No one has the RIGHT to get married. It is NOT a right if exercising it violates the rights of any other human being; if no one will marry you how can you exercise that right without violating someone’s right to CHOOSE?

            (have you endure reading this far?)

            Marriage is a privilage! And Privilages are a power reserved to the STATES! If a State constitution says that marrige is between a man and a women then the Federal government has NO Constututiuonal authority to override that constitution. That can ONLY be Amended by the people of that State. You who believe the SCOTUS has given you some kind of law are WRONG! Oh you have the force of rule to make people obey that false law – until we rise up and say NO! – but it is still a false unconstitutional law!

            There is NOTHING in the 14th Amenbdment – indeed the Constitution – which
            compells States to comply with a SCOTUS ruling that is not an authority of the
            Federal Government! NOTHING! Only laws made by Congress are Constitutional and only under the limitations of the Constitution! Your “victory” is based on a bunch of
            LIES!!!

            Therefore your “point” was not missed – it was summarily dismissed – as meaningless!

            Expectedly, you would interpret that I am biased – oh please feel free to outright judge me; since nothing has stopped you before. But this is not bias – it is AMERICANISM in your face!

          • “Jefferson changed the Bible? You need to provide references”
            500, 000 choices for you to read

            I don’t make stuff up.
            take that to heart.

            https://www.google.com/search?q=jefferson+cut+up+the+bible&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

          • As to the Jefferson Bible – the little I’ve read from Wikipedia makes it clear to me that once
            again you compare apples to oranges – and yet never make any qualification that
            might convey the truth. You leave it to us to assume – “oh, my – our esteemed founder committed apositcy – our ’cause’ is lost”! This is tantimont to a LIE and very disengenuos of you!

          • Oh I’m sure you don’t make stuff up – and I don’t recall ever telling you otherwise. Would I even give you that much credit?

            You simply repeat what others have made up (perhaps regarding them as “experts”? I’m just asking!) You speak of “cons” (whatever that is) being in lock step with the GOP. You probably have no dea how ridiculous that notion is to an Americanist. The so called
            conservatives of today in this country are anything but locked in agreement with the GOP.

            On the other hand the communist left is in lock step and while you might be a feable exception (on an individual basis) clearly you are in step with what the Oracles of the Main stream Media tell you that you know! You don’t need to make anything up.

            Your fraudulence to “put us on a correct path” is nothing more than projection on your
            part – where you assume we would do what you do. That is the blatent miss
            understanding on your part of who we are!

          • ” I’ll bet he never had a list of 34 churches that preached his re writes to their congregations!”

            I don’t know where you got that.

            those churches listed THEMSELVES as gay friendly.

          • I got that from you where you listed 34 churches that preach the revised bible – did reality slip from you for a moment?

          • But your not Christian, why do you give a fuck?
            you are also NOT QUALIFIED to make the decision.

            cause you’re a moron with a keyboard and very low IQ?

          • ROFLMAO! Oh, now we’re getting somewhere. The Big gun four letter words! RC the fraud busy earning everyone’s respect!
            This is what you are made. And you want people to take you seriously?
            None of your business why I care but you can have this – maybe I just wanna pi$$ you off!

          • can’t piss me off,
            I feel sorry for those that are forced to live around such ignorance.

          • Oh, I don’t believe either one of those statements. You’ve already prove how disingenuous you are. What else would cause you to use such a “BIiiiIIG” word like F_ck! Maybe you weren’t pissed off but it sure looked like it!
            I was certainly amused

          • ROFLMAO! Oh now were getting somewhere. RC pulling out the serious four letter words building his resume of respect. Are you loosing your temper?
            I may be a moron but I keep playing you…
            With this kind of language it seems pretty clear you are more than a little frustrated.
            Hey! Nobody makes you reply to anything I say – except your monstrous EGO! But now when I encounter you I’ll have a record of what kind of person you are! And I won’t keep it a secret!
            I have no idea what decision you imagine I’m making.

          • “And I’ll bet he never scoured the bible to remove anything that condemned homosexuality!”

            there is only one passage I believe.

            in the same place at where it tell you, “you are never to get divorced” which happens millions of times a year.
            never hear the religious right complaining about all the sin.
            more hypocrisy.

            more judgmental

          • There are many passages, beginning in Genesis where it says God made man male and female for the purposes of becoming one flesh and multiplying – right down to the last book! But you wouldn’t know that, would you?

            Divorce is the cornerstone of the assault on marrige! Divorce is the result of humans
            misunderstanding WHAT the bible says about marriage – certainly their ignorance of it. It is also the keystone of the assault on the Traditional Familly Unit! You will not get me to defend Devorce any more than Homosexuality. But God toleratred Devorce whereas he did NOT tolerate Homosexuality.

            The United States was founded upon Christian principle. You rewriters of history – you communist liars – you try to tell us otherwise but this is the manifestation of the promise to destroy our society from within! So don’t even go there! I’m sick of arguing a point based upon a few shady observations inflated to look like they over power the traditional record! You convey yourselves as EXperts! (I HATE EXPERTS!!!) But you lie to the ignorant masses too stuipid to check your “facts”! This is to you, RC, and all the m-fs who tell you what you know!

            Therefore, this Nation has become a WHORE – because she has betrayed her own virtues! That is the difference between The United States and Rome! The orginal moral values. Decadence – moral or cultural decline as characterized by excessive indulgence in pleasure or luxury!

          • “There are many passages, beginning in Genesis where it says God made man
            male and female for the purposes of becoming one flesh and multiplying –
            right down to the last book! But you wouldn’t know that, would you?”

            well you are not a Christian, so what do you know?

          • Uh… reality check here, RC; I don’t need to be a Christian to know what the bible says … all I have to do is READ it! And that’s all you need to do to see whether I’m right or wrong. (It ain’t no book of secrets!)
            This has to be one of the lamest excuses I’ve ever seen a leftist commie use to reply by not replying. This isn’t even good Alinskism! Come ON, RC… be honest with us. Admit you just don’t know what to say! Does this mean I’m beyond your ability to put me on the “correct path”?
            ROFL…
            No one is making you respond – but you…
            … how much dope do you smoke a day?

          • “But God tolerated Devorce whereas he did NOT tolerate Homosexuality.”

            oh really.
            post the passage that says that.
            LIKE THAT WILL HAPPEN..

          • Matthew 19; 8-9, Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce
            your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the
            beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual
            immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

            I Corinthians 7: 10 – 16, To the married I give this command (not I, but the
            Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must
            remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not
            divorce his wife. …. But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother
            or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in
            peace. How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do
            you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?
            I could go on but THAT isn’t going to happen…

          • “the ignorant masses too stupid to check your “facts”
            this from the moron who I have corrected half a dozen time in our 2 days of discussion.

            you make me laugh out loud.

            wasn’t it YOU the MORON who said there was no society that lasted that was decadent?
            and THEN the SMART liberal smacked your con ass to the ground?

            how do humans get this friggin stupid.

          • You’ve corrected me? I hadn’t noticed. All I’ve seen is your opinions without any substantial proof from sources other than your own arrogance – which is about as worthless as the filthy (minstreul) rags the Bible mentions. I notice that you don’t engage in any kind of critical thinking. (Do you even know how?)

            But it’s kinda refreshing, when you think you’ve gotten a little break, to see you actually gloat.

            Still, you don’t understand my comments; the moral level at which the US began is quite different from the level at which Rome started. While Rome fell into decadence it wasn’t nearly as astonishing as that of the US. Rome did not reject “righteousness” in the same sense that this nation has. Therefore her decadence is far more pronounced than Rome’s! And decadence was what I was talking about.
            If the Biblical predictions turn out to be accurate then what will come upon us will utterly astonish and horrify the world!
            I know I’m talking over your head – frankly I don’t care. You feel free to be angry and bitter and frustrated all you want.
            No one makes you respond but you!
            I know you don’t get this. And I don’t care. Those who have ears will understand.

          • “Do you know of any decadent society hat ever lasted for long?”
            you make this pretty easy Darrel.

            Rome lasted what 900 years?
            PLENTY of boys getting it in those roman baths.
            orgies we ca nonly dream of. slave girls, sex slaves.
            good time were had if you were a Roman male.

            so much for that theory Darrel.

          • “I’m NOT a Christian! I don’t have my head up any deities butt. I may
            quote the Bible but that is because I have my head up the Butt of the
            Truth! And there is a vast reservoir of Truth in the Bible – Several
            thousand years worth”

            You make me laugh Darrel. How old are you anyway/
            I am going for over 70.

            so you are not a Christian but you believe every word of the bible?

            is that your story?
            It’s a book of fables Darrel.
            what proof do you have that is “true”

            sure characters in the bible are also in recorded history.
            But then so is Homer & Plato, and does that make the Greek gods real?
            that is one slippery slope you have there.

            love to debate that if you like Darrel.

          • You think you have me because you underestimate who you are talking to. In your myopic views if I believe any truth found in the Bible then I must believe all of it. I On THAT assumption you laugh.Your lack of understanding is what I’m counting on. Do you really think I would throw that to you not prepared to shove your mistake back into your face?

            Even the devils believe, RC – and they fear – according to the bible. I said I believe in the Truth. Not God. (do you just not read what is before you?) I don’t know if God
            even exists. But I recognize Truth in the Bible – particularly concerning the
            nature of human beings and what works best for them to live in happiness and
            harmony!

            The Principles of the Bible ARE the principles of Freedom. The best way to preserve Freedom is to do what is RIGHT even when you don’t have to; to protect the unalianable rights of your neighbor, of your own volition, so that the Government will not have to create yet another law. EVERY law restricts freedom! More laws less
            freedom. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you! Love your neighbor
            as yourself!

            I don’t completely blame you – Christians are often called believers even in the Bible. But what you fail to understand is the qualifications of their beliefs and THAT is what
            makes a Christian. Christian defined is one who is Of The Anointing. I make no
            such claim!

            Whether the stories of the bible are ALL fables or not they still provide the function of conveying a message. Jesus told hundreds of parables – simply demonstrations of the
            principles he intended to convey. Arguing the Bible is just a bunch of fables is an attempt to dismiss the Truth and or those Principles. And heavens forbid should you read those principles and truths only to find out how scurrillous – to yourself – that the selfishness and lust you embrace are flat out wrong!

            So laugh on, simple one!

          • “Do you really think I would throw that to you not prepared to shove your mistake back into your face?”

            Oh god your funny.

          • Yup…. You were played.
            And now you’re lying about it.

          • ” The best way to preserve Freedom is to do what is RIGHT”

            EXCEPT Darrel that YOU LIE all the time.

            THAT is in the 10 commandments as a sin.

            so. … more hypocrisy from Darrel.

          • Still trying to get even, RC? Very pathetic.
            What is it you think I lied about? Come on, RC. I lie all the time. Shouldn’t be hard for you to make a list (you are good for a list now and then – right?). You’ve made the Charge – now make the Case!
            Are you trying to use the Bible on me? ROFLMAO! I think that’s funny.

          • “How quaintly Alinskian” that’s a lie.

            “”I’m NOT a Christian!” that’s a lie.

            “Of ITSELF it has proven to be right 100% of the time – for the last 2000 years” that’s a lie.

            ” I don’t have my head up any deities butt” that’s a lie.

            “There are no decadent societies that have ever lasted a long time” that’s a lie.
            ” EVERY law restricts freedom” that’s a lie.

            “The Principles of the Bible ARE the principles of Freedom” that’s a lie.

          • Lie (noun) a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional
            untruth; a falsehood.

            “How quaintly Alinskian” that’s a lie.

            No. That’s my opinion and my belief. It is your opinion that its a lie and until you can
            prove my intent it will remain your opinion.

            “”I’m NOT a Christian!” that’s a lie.

            No, that’s a fact. Ask any True Christian; I lack faith in this God and I do not claim Jesus
            Christ as my saviour. Go ahead – ask them. And just to help you along I am completely indifferent to you next breath let alone the disposition of your “eternal” soul…

            “Of ITSELF it has proven to be right 100% of the time – for the last 2000 years” that’s a lie.
            Again, that is a fact. If you disagree provide evidence. But don’t get religion and men’s interpretation of what it says mixed up with its actual precepts and principles (I sincerely
            doubt you are capable of this). This is why I qualified it with “Of ITSELF…” And keep in mind as I told you before The bible is a source of Define Truth to me – not a point of relationship with some God.

            ” I don’t have my head up any deities butt” that’s a lie.

            No, that’s a fact. In fact the very idea that anyone can actually have their head up a gods butt is utterly rediculous – but I think I knew what you meant. Again, if you
            think I’m lying prove my intent – what possible reason could I have for denying
            Christ except that I am not a child of god?

            “There are no decadent societies that have ever lasted a long time” that’s a lie.

            But!

            That isn’t what I said. Check my post;

            “Do you know of any decadent society (t)hat ever lasted for long? What Nation that sold out its own virtues ever endured?” that’s a question!

            Can you ask a lie? Whose the foaming nut, here – calm down and be accurate!

            ” EVERY law restricts freedom” that’s a lie.

            No, that’s a fact. This is self evident – the purpose of laws is to control or force some type of activity or behaviour within societies! Certainly the law against murder restricts your freedom to kill me. Oh, you can do it (try!) but see how restricted your freedom becomes. You might have to actually think about this but it IS the truth. If you disagree present your evidence.

            “The Principles of the Bible ARE the principles of Freedom” that’s a lie.

            Nope! That’s a fact. The Bible promotes individual rights. The very first right described was the right to life. The second was liberty thru the right to choose freely. The third right was the pursuit of property and therefore happiness thru prosperity.

            First God gave man life. He then allowed man to choose to disobey Him. And finally He sent man out of the Garden and instructed him to toil the soil.

            Declaration of Independence – that among these (rights) are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (in draft – Property).

            Well. Your accusations are baseless primarily because of your own ignorance. One could conclude you don’t even understand what a lie is. The only thing you’ve
            accomplished is to demonstrate the irrational mechanisms of your mind – pretty
            dysfyunctional it would seem. You are so childish about these things that I’m
            beginning to think, in all sincerity, that you have some mental deficiancies. I knew you would fail; you set yourself up, you took the bait, and once again, you’ve been played.
            You don’t seem to understand that just because you think something that doesn’t make it so. You need something greater than yourself to establish what it fact.

            I don’t think it’s that I’m too stupid for you to debate; I think I really do scare the heck out of you… LMAO!

          • “Lie (noun) a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional
            untruth; a falsehood.”
            Funny, the con definition of lying is much different when you are applying it to Obama.

            When he said you could keep your doctor that was not a falsehood, because that is what the insurance companies told him.Of course you cons like to pretend that insurance companies don’t lie.
            Cons like to pretend that corporations never lie.
            Silly cons.

          • You prove nothing. You say things and think they are fact on nothing more than; you said them. Reality and you are exclusive to one another. No one can take you seriously because your only real talent is half-witted verbal abuse.
            Apparently you think Obama is stupid. I don’t. He knows exactly what he is doing at all times. The “great” FDR assured us decades ago that nothing happens in politics that isn’t planned. Knowing the truth and deliberately tell us otherwise constitutes a lie. And he DID know the truth about the ACA when he lied to us about his healthcare plan.
            Your understanding of “conservatives” is non-existent. So any judgerment you make is baseless nonsense. Your like a yappy dog. Yap on….

          • ” You say things and think they are fact on nothing more than; you said them.”
            Gosh moron, that’s what you conservatives do constantly.
            you figure if your lips flap then it must be truth.
            Welcome to my world

          • The use of “moron” is childish.
            Get serious or shut up.

          • “And he DID know the truth about the ACA when he lied to us about his healthcare plan.”

            So moron,, this would be you flapping your gums and pretending it’s the truth.
            Didn’t you just accuse me of the same?
            Is your memory so short, or your intellect so low that you don’t see that you’re doing the same thing.

          • Mindless blithering without a point.
            The use of “moron” is childish.
            Get serious or shut up

          • “There are no decadent societies that have ever lasted a long time” that’s a lie.

            That isn’t what I said. Check my post;”Do you know of any decadent society (t)hat ever lasted for long?”

            Are you really going to pretend that these two sentences are different, are you really that ignorant?
            The con tap Dances.

          • Yes. I asked a question. Questions are not commitment to any ideas – they simply demand answers.
            You have no right whatsoever to change any words I write and then assign them to me as their author. DOING SO makes YOU the liar!
            Anyone who reads this will be left with no other logical choice than to see THAT.

          • Rome was the right answer fool.
            The problem was the conservative who doesn’t know history.

          • That point became immaterial when you misrepresented what I said with the intent to call me a liar. If it is necessary for you to be “right” about Rome be my guest. But apologize for the misrepresentation or shut up!

          • ” I think I really do scare the heck out of you.”
            I think you are barely able to dress and feed yourself, you’re so stupid.
            What scares me is that idiots like you can vote.

          • Good!

          • “The Bible promotes individual rights”
            Sure silly con tell that to women.
            Women are second-class citizens in the Bible.

          • Prove it.

          • “The Biblical view of women

            The God of the Bible decrees that woman must submit to the dominance of man.
            “The social and legal position of an Israelite wife was inferior to the position a
            wife occupied in the great countries round about… all the texts
            show that Israelites wanted mainly sons to perpetuate the family
            line and fortune, and to preserve the ancestral inheritance…
            A husband could divorce his wife; women on the other hand could
            not ask for divorce… the wife called her husband Ba’al or master;
            she also called him adon or lord; she addressed him, in fact,
            as a slave addressed his master or subject, his king. The Decalogue
            includes a man’s wife among his possessions… all her life she
            remains a minor. The wife does not inherit from her husband,
            nor daughters from their father, except when there is no male
            heir. A vow made by a girl or married woman needs, to be valid,
            the consent of the father or husband and if this consent is withheld,
            the vow is null and void. A man had a right to sell his daughter.
            Women were excluded from the succession.”

            You are very dim bulb Darrell.
            By now you know that I don’t lei and can always backup my facts, unlike you conservatives ever do.

            http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm

          • I didn’t say I disagreed. I didn’t say that I didn’t know what you were talking about.
            All I said was :prove it”.

            And now? What are you going to do with that in context of the New Testament which superseded the Law aspect of the Old Testament with Grace; where it commands husbands to love their wives as their own flesh. Where women are actually esteemed as a precious gift to the man…?

          • So where’s the proof idiot

          • Idiot is a childish taunt. Either grow up or shut up.

          • Frankly this isn’t written to you specifically, RC. You have a very superficial perspective and to expect you actually grasp what I’m saying is unrealistic. So let’s just dismiss you and accept the usual abusive name calling and excuses that I’m blithering… good bye.

            This is to the reader who might wonder what a considered and critical response to RC might be.

            Today, the classic collectivist view of rights is that “everything” is a right. I even heard someone once say that Obama had the right to be president. The socialists believe rights
            are and should be granted by the state.

            But not everything is a right. Some things are privileges.

            Marriage is NOT a right. True rights – unalieanable rights – have two things in common; they are the manifestation of our human nature and they never violate nor provide even the potential to violate the true rights of another human being. Again, marriage; you cannot force someone to marry you without violating their right to NOT choose you. That means marriage cannot be a true right. Therefore it is a privilege that each party involved grants to the other party – the exercise of the right to agree.

            The bible is, after all, an historical record and reports many things that were against His will or that God fundamentally opposed but tolerated (at least for a time). Consider; how much of the abuse of women during times when the Israel Nation departure from Gods laws contributed to His wrath against them? Not knowing THIS do we have sufficient evidence to say that God meant for women to be second class citizens? One of the reasons God tolerated things He opposed was because HE respects the rights of men to CHOOSE (to do wrong) even above man’s injustice to man – even women.

            However. We do not live in the culture RC referred to and we may not understand the specific reasons for those laws from our present day perspective. We may make assumption that are simply not true; projecting upon that society what we experience in our own. Our society does not truly grasp that in God’s perspective He created MAN as both male and female (both are equally human with all of the unalieanable rights that humans are born with). God did not call Eve, Eve. He called both of them Adam. He made them integral to each other so that they would join together and become one flesh. Not all parts of a whole body do the same things. Does the heart breath air? A woman’s function in this whole is different from the man’s. The women should never be treated like the man nor vise versa – but Both should be equally respect and their rights as humans should never be violated.

            This is a mystery. Especially to us Americans in our current society. That we may not understand this doesn’t mean that in that aincient society the place of women was wrong or that it violated their rights. They lived under harshness we don’t grasp and in that context the Laws of Moses were probalby far more benefitial to women than we might imagine today.

          • “This is to the reader who might wonder what a considered and critical response to RC might be.
            Haaaa.
            you make me laugh.

          • If I need to prove this to Darrell why does he pretend to be a scholar on the Bible?
            You post biblical scripture constantly yet don’t know women hold an inferior position in the Bible?
            how dim is that?
            I thought you said the Bible was all truth.

            You have some serious gaps in your knowledge of the Bible.
            It’s kind of like you copy and paste crap from the Internet and have no idea what’s actually going on or being said in the book you revere so much.

          • All I said was “prove it”. Where did you get all the blithering about what you “nnneeeed” to do and how I don’t know anything – that I pretend?
            No one makes you reply to my posts but your FANTASTIC ego…

          • Lie (noun) a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional
            untruth; a falsehood.

            “How quaintly Alinskian” that’s a lie.

            No. That’s my opinion and my belief. It is your opinion that its a lie and until you can
            prove my intent it will remain your opinion.

            “”I’m NOT a Christian!” that’s a lie.

            No, that’s a fact. Ask any True Christian; I lack faith in this God and I do not claim Jesus
            Christ as my saviour. Go ahead – ask them. And just to help you along I am completely indifferent to you next breath let alone the disposition of your soul…

            “Of ITSELF it has proven to be right 100% of the time – for the last 2000 years”
            that’s a lie.

            Again, that is a fact. If you disagree provide evidence. But don’t get religion and men’s interpretation of what it says mixed up with its actual precepts and principles (I sincerely
            doubt you are capable of this). This is why I qualified it with “Of ITSELF…” And keep in mind as I told you before The bible is a source of Define Truth to me – not a point of relationship with some God.

            ” I don’t have my head up any deities butt” that’s a lie.

            No, that’s a fact. In fact the very idea that anyone can actually have their head up a gods butt is utterly rediculous – but I think I knew what you meant. Again, if you
            think I’m lying prove my intent – what possible reason could I have for denying
            Christ except that I am not a child of god?

            “There are no decadent societies that have ever lasted a long time” that’s a lie.

            But!

            That isn’t what I said. Check my post;

            “Do you know of any decadent society (t)hat ever lasted for long? What Nation that sold out its own virtues ever endured?” that’s a question!

            Can you ask a lie? Whose the foaming nut, here – calm down and be accurate!

            ” EVERY law restricts freedom” that’s a lie.

            No, that’s a fact. This is self evident – the purpose of laws is to control or force some type of activity or behaviour within societies! Certainly the law against murder restricts your freedom to kill me. Oh, you can do it (try!) but see how restricted your freedom becomes. You might have to actually think about this but it IS the truth. If you disagree present your evidence.

            “The Principles of the Bible ARE the principles of Freedom” that’s a lie.

            Nope! That’s a fact. The Bible promotes individual rights. The very first right described was the right to life. The second was liberty thru the right to choose freely. The third right was the pursuit of property and therefore happiness thru prosperity.

            First God gave man life. He then allowed man to choose to disobey Him. And finally He sent man out of the Garden and instructed him to toil the soil.

            Declaration of Independence – that among these (rights) are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (in draft – property).

            Well. Your accusations are baseless primarily because of your own ignorance. One could conclude you don’t even understand what a lie is. The only thing you’ve
            accomplished is to demonstrate the irrational mechanisms of your mind – pretty
            dysfyunctional it would seem. You are so childish about these things that I’m
            beginning to think in all sincerety that you have some mental deficiancies. I knew you would fail; you set yourself up, you took the bait, and once again, you’ve been played.

            I don’t think it’s that I’m too stupid for you to debate; I think you are too intimidated to debate me.

          • “Are you the pompous fool who thinks he can break Natural Law and get away with it?”

            Good God man.

            Natural Law is something I DO BELIEVE IN.
            That’s Deist not Christian.

          • Christian law is based upon Natural law as is Judeo law and Common law. In fact the bible claims natural law! John 1:1 there is nothing that was made that was not made by God! Not my words and not necessarily what I believe BUT that is what it says!

            Nor do you abide by Natural law – that law which has governed all life on this planet since its beginning! Natural law rewards homosexual activity with NON reprodctions – one of the primary purposes of life – according to Natural law! A SPECIES that disobeys this law FAILS!!

          • “John 1:1 there is nothing that was made that was not made by God!”

            HEY FOOL. the word natural is not in that sentence.

          • 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him ALL things were made; without him NOTHING was made that has been made.

          • but your not a religious nut, you just quote scripture like a religious nut.
            got it.

            You know, Obama has started this “take the guns from crazies” campaign that the right is foaming at the mouth over, cause ALL of you are crazy enough to qualify for gun confiscation.

            good news huh?

            AND the evidence they give the court, is THESE blogs.
            brilliant!

          • Do you have Attention Deficit Disorder?

            If you want to talk about guns present an issue and lets have a real debate. Trying to connect dots that you’ve pooped out of your imagination ( I think you believe there is an element of insanity here that you believe presents a public threat) isn’t viable evidence. I want to see if you are capable of actually coming up with a cognoscente argument based on more than your emotionalism? So far I’ve seen nothing BUT that.

            Think you can handle that? Surprise me….

            Otherwise you’re just another liberal clown… (yawn).
            Oh, uh… what exactly is a “religious nut”

          • “Christian law is based upon Natural law as is Judeo law and Common law.”

            Common law has NOTHING to so with Natures law you idiot.
            http://commonlaw.uslegal.com/origins-of-common-law/

          • All laws come from Natural law. Humans are part of Nature – and our Nature demands law!

            Is this just too hard for you to grasp?

          • Your trying to prove that the Constitution is guided by Christianity silly.
            what you just posted proves the opposite.
            good job.

          • Is that what I’m trying to prove?

            Or is that just another of your feeble mind-farts!

            If you think I’m wrong explain why. Give a real argument.

            See, I’m starting to believe your nothing but a memory stick, filled with fragmented ideas your expert superiors have fed into you; I never see you make them into real ideas of your own. Everything you say I can get off of CNN or any other MSM outlet. You never explain why you believe something. This is WHY I call you a fraud! It isn’t a meaningless slander like “idiot” or “fool” (I interpret those as childish striking back because I offended you). It’s based on WHAT you pretend to be but never actually become. You pretend to know stuff but when it comes to actually delivering you fizzle out. Instead you sit back and emotionally slam anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

            You claim to be a reality check but that too is a fraud because your hypocrisy is every bit as evident as anyone else’s – ANYONE else’s – here. Your “reality” is NO less convoluted than that of anyone you think you are correcting. In spite of your lofty opinion of yourself you are, after all, no more than just another biased opinion, .

            This has been fun. As far as I’m concerned this exercise has been a great success! I couldn’t have done it without you. I will continue to respond to this discussion but only to those things that actually have some substance to them. The name calling doesn’t bother me since it only demonstrates what kind of person you really are (I’ll never stop you from making a fool out of yourself – and that “F” word post? Classic Score!) But its not really worthwhile to entertain your emotionalism. So here is how to shut me up – and I presume attain a sense of winning – just make pointless, baseless accusations with your usual childish taunts. That’s what liberalism is all about – so far as I can tell…

          • “Nor do you abide by Natural law”

            I am also not gay moron.

          • Oh thank you for that key bit of information I was burning up to know.
            But you support and therefore abbet those that are. Do difference to me.
            BUT…
            …then you do understand how I can know about biblical principles without being a Christian. Your such a fraud!

          • Jefferson DID NOT change the bible. All he did was write down his favorite pafssages from the bible into another book and kept it for himself. That is a myth which you, in your ignorance, believe. You are the hypocrite.

          • You haven’t a clue what the truth is. If you don’t give a crap about our God (in your words), then what do you care what is said here and why are you even on here/

        • Ahhhh, a list of the utterly doomed…

          • who gave you the right to judge what is a Christian?

            that is a pretty big sin by itself.

          • Christ did. Do you not recall the letters to the churches?

            Revelation 2:20 ESV
            But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols.

          • Yer a peach RC! You repeatedly judge my values, my beliefs, my (imagined by you) problems, and then demand to know who gave me the right to judge what a Christian is – based on an off handed comment that projects into the future (no less)? WHAT are you afraid of? LOL! You are like the “E” string on a guitar; I pluck you and you make the same hypocritical noise, over, and over, over…
            I guess its tough being a “natural (Alinski-vite) superior”
            But to answer your question – NO ONE! The definition of a Christian is found in the words of their God. I don’t question that. If I say the sky is blue am I judging what the sky is? Or am I just observing? If I read where the Bible describes the destruction of those false spiritual leaders who beguile their own congregation, am I judging or just anticipating?
            It appears to me your problem is that you blame Christians for opposing your immoralities when it is their GOD who opposes them. The Muslims hate you personally for your immorality and will KILL you for it. The Christians hate your sin but long to save your soul. They don’t hate you – yet it is they you ache to silence! They try to reach you and you strike out at them! And for what? Simply, for what they believe their GOD tells them. Why don’t you get really tough and take it up with Him?
            Oh? There is no God? Then what is your big tizzy really all about? For just being a bunch of religious nuts they sure have your panties in a bind…

          • Darrel, you just told me you are not a Christian yet here you pretend to be the “decider” of what is and isn’t a Christian church.

            and it doesn’t strike you as slightly hypocritical?

            you make me laugh.

          • Oh, aren’t you giddy, simple one. I repeat – I did not decide what is a Christian or a
            Christiasn Church – that is to the writer of the bible! I didn’t decide what fraud is either – I simply recognize it when I see it. Nor do I pretend – I have no good reason to pretend.

            Maybe you should (A) be more careful of how you use words and (B) be more attentive of how others use words!Your lack of understanding does not make me a hypocrite.

          • actually I am amused and frightened by your stupidity.

          • Frightened? LOL. I do like that!
            Are you sure it’s MY stupidity that frightens you? So far you haven’t offered me a single challenge. Your school yard antics take up too much of your effort, I guess. Say, aren’t you some kind of missionary? How many of those heathen “cons” have you actually “saved”?
            Just curious…

          • dozens of cons have been saved from the IGNORANCE that is Right Wing.

            dude, you are too stupid to debate with.
            I mean some of the crap you post, not even stupid people believe.
            I guess that’s why we have to go with complete idiot or moron.

            you choose.
            your obviously unfit to be an American with your attitude and mental condition..

          • No body forces you to respond to me. Yet you keep coming back.
            You inability to understand doesn’t make me stupid.
            So your solution to my unfitness to be an “American” is what?

          • :” If I read where the Bible describes the destruction of those false
            spiritual leaders who beguile their own congregation, am I judging or
            just anticipating?”

            THAT is called “believing”.
            from the guy who claims to be NOT a Christian.
            funny Darrel.

          • And when I ask a question – clearly you are incapable of answering questions – that does NOT mean I am vested in the idea. I may be – or maybe not! For instance; am I really
            anticipating or just gambling on a yet fullfilled hope?

            Of course if I am anticipating I am believing. But i did not say that I anticipated anything. I
            asked a question for purposes of arguement to challenge another of your baseless assumptions! Which of course you never answered. Instead you find that tiny little threat to pull thinking you can unravel the primese – Alinskism….

        • Oh ignorant one these are not true churches of God as Gods people we can’t condone this type of behavior. Homosexually is an abomination unto the Lord PERIOD. These people must except Christ and be changed forever. The Bible foretells of false preachers and prophets.

      • But bear in mind, sin is sin and they can be saved also as well as a drunkard, we are talking about one of satans pet temptations for people, so pray for those in danger.

        • Yes, just like any of us sinners. But, to be saved, they must receive Christ’s gift of salvation and confess their sins and ask forgiveness. From there , God strengthens us so that we become victorious and turn our backs on our sins. One by one, I defeat those things in life that tempt me and are sin, one by one, as God wills.

        • WishIWuzACropDuster

          And warn them!

          Eze 33:8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
          Eze 33:9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

      • Tom, a sin is a sin. Are you not a sinner? Being a sinner and a Christian walk hand in hand. Why would one need to be a Christian if they are not a sinner? This is not a matter of not being a sinner, it’s a matter of believing God’s truth, of knowing Christ. Once our feet are on that path only then do we really struggle with sin , ask forgiveness, repent and little by little we become victorious turning our backs on our sins. The issue we struggle with is not the sinner but the sin and the act of attempting to change God’s truth to vainly attempt to make the sin of homosexuality right. Those who teach or follow false doctrine damn themselves to hell. This explains what those who are changing God’s word are doing:

        Matthew 7:16-20King James Version (KJV)
        16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
        17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
        18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
        19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
        20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    • Michael Dennewitz

      There’s no such thing as a QUEER Christian.. And I truly wish people would stop calling the little faggots gays. They stole that word. A QUEER IS A QUEER IS A QUEER!!! EEWWWWW!!!

    • He cannot be gay and Christian.

    • As well as there is no such thing. It is just as crazy to put ones heritage in front of American. You either are or you aren’t, can’t have it both ways. Your right and it does reveal their priority.

    • Amen! ……they should be told there is no Christianity without repentance, they have to be convinced they are not a Christian, because they will not repent if they already think they are Christian.

    • Tea, there are those who have become Christians, just as any sinner it can take time to turn away from your sin. Being a sinner and Christian is what we all are. Here is where the difference comes in, I do not embrace my sins, I call my sin , sin and I confess it and ask for forgiveness, I struggle with it and one by one I turn my back on my sins as God strengthens me. So, if one is struggling with the sin of being gay but they are confessing it is sin, embracing God’s truth, they are no less a Christian then any other sinner. If they are gay and claiming that they are not sinning, they are walking in the light, they are one of the deceivers Christ spoke of and we are to shun them. We are to shun any who preach against God’s truth.

  4. Just like the Taliban, Gays want to destroy & rewrite the history of the Bible…..

    • If it wasn’t so scary, it would be funny. Are they gonna get a lot of white-out or do they plan on burning all the real Bibles?

      Like what the muslims did with the Qu’ran (25 years after death of Mohammad), gay’s are only re-writing the Bible to favor mutants and to consolidate power under their rule.

  5. This is the beginning of the stamping out of Christianity in this country. Every dictator knows that you must have allegiance to the “State”; organized religion has NO place in a totalitarian society. This is what the “gay” movement is REALLY about.

    • @ gary—revelation 18-2—— America is (Babylon the great) read an weep, in indian folklore an history amaruca is called the ( plumed serpent) a place of serpents an devils, a fallen angel ,serpent god, watchers ect. also masonic studies

    • That is why believers need to band together and make sure we and many more people are learning God’s written Word so we will apply it to our daily lives then God will heal our Land.
      Psalm 28:5 Because they regard not the works of the Lord, nor the operation of his hands, he shall destroy them, and not build them up.
      2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by MY name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked (rejection of God’s) ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and WILL HEAL THEIR LAND. [This principle applies to all times]
      II Peter 3:18… but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity.

      • Definitely. During the midst of the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln actually called for a National Day of Fasting and Prayer because he was so distraught at the way the country was being torn apart. He knew that we owed everything we had to a Higher Power and saw that, already in that day, that we were drifting away from the principles that we were founded upon. Can you imagine a modern day President … especially the current one … calling for a day of Fasting and Prayer. We truly need to get our “ducks in a row” soon … very soon.

        • Yes. I accidently found myself on a liberal comment site today through Yahoo and I could not believe the hate that flows out of their minds in written form. Unbelievers and even believers who do not know God’s Word live in darkness and need to know the Lord as their savior or as believers learn His Word so we can stand against the evil of our day.

          • I hear you. Been to a couple of those sites myself and the vitriol is just staggering. And these are (supposedly) educated people. You have to wonder, educated in what? Sadly this is what has been prophesied and these people will be in the majority soon. Religious persecutions will be prevalent again, even in THIS country although, right now, the thought of it may be hard to stomach. There will be those of us that will be hunted down because we don’t agree with other peoples’ worldview (i.e. Reality Check) and some of us may not make it out. Still, we are admonished to “run the good race and fight the good fight” and if God be for us, who can be against us? I think if we can get that through our heads we can persevere.

          • Thank you and you are absolutely correct but how many Christians are prepared for the persecutions? Most do not know what the Bible teaches or the promises we can claim to get us through our problems. Churches today are involved in emotionalism, humanism, programism, the social gospel, and all the other isms that have taken the place of true Bible Doctrine type teaching. We have to be prepared for the coming crisis of the possible last days before the rapture. Of course it could be many more years so in the meantime we keep growing spiritually through His written Word. You are a blessing on this site.

          • I appreciate the compliment, but I am just someone who has tried to make a practice of “proving all things” as Christ has admonished us to do. Can you see any preacher in a mainstream church telling his parishoners “don’t take my word for it, check it out”? That’s what Jesus was telling the Bereans to do … and they did it! Yes, God wants us to have faith in his promises to us, but he also wants us to prove that what he says is the real deal. A lot of people don’t understand that. If they like a guy, they will take what he says at face value and never prove it. Is it any wonder that they are just “nominal” Christians?

            You have said correctly that most churches today are involved in everything BUT teaching the true Word of God. The term for these places is “seeker sensitive”; they cater to the whims of people. People “shop” for a church these days the same way they look for a house (does it have a good school system?) considering such things as extracurricular activities, “what does it have for my children?” and so on, giving absolutely NO thought as to whether it teaches and “divides the Word of Truth”. I’m sorry, but extracurricular stuff is what you find in schools; it really doesn’t have any place in a House of Worship. You are there to FOCUS on God and His teachings, not worry about if your kid is going to get to play in the church basketball game after the service.
            The Last Days are upon us and are just in their infancy. Check out Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 for the answers that Christ gave his disciples when they inquired as to what would happen in the last days and the signs of His coming. It is a blueprint for those that are willing to heed and understand. My friend, you sound like you are one of the discerning ones who are willing to learn the signs and “who the players are” in end time events. May God Bless you in all that you do.

  6. I’m not interested in this type of fealty. For instance, In my Bible, God gave the rainbow to humankind; not to a flag. Their fag flag should be alternating brown and yellow stripes!

    • Their flag offends me; it should be legislated out of existence just like they are doing to the Confederate Flag.

      • I’ll drink to that!!

      • Timothy Raffety

        amen to that, I for one am sick and tired of the MINORITY ruling and overruling the majority. If they want to be faggots then find a deserted string of islands and ship everyone of them there and call it FAGGOATAH.

    • It is not YOUR Bible; it is THE Bible.

    • WishIWuzACropDuster

      Their flag should either be a picture of two men having anal intercourse or two men engaging in fellatio. For the women it should be a pair of dykes engaging in cunnilingus. That’s what it’s all about when you strip the propaganda away. Leave the seal of God’s promise to never destroy the world by water again out of it.

  7. so I guess this means that none of you cons are aware that the bible was rewritten MANY times by Emperors, Popes, Kings and religious NUTS over the past 2000 years.

    lets not let reality get in the way of HATRED and DIVISION

    • Do tell. I know of many “translations” from the same sources (Latin Vulgate, original Greek, etc.), but not being wantonly “re-written” by kings, popes and so on. Also, not everybody that deems themselves to be religious is a “nut”. For instance, if the Supreme Court ruling on Same Sex marriage had gone the OTHER way, could you see us “religious nuts” going in and “reworking” the Bible to make even stronger condemnation of homosexuality? I think not. I think the howling from the LGBT camp would be deafening, yet they can go in, of their own volition and “cherry pick” all of the verses that they find “offensive” and change them! And we are supposed to accept that without a whimper. Yup, you are right … let’s not let reality get in the way of hatred and division … as long as everybody marches in lockstep with what YOU want.

      • ” not everybody that deems themselves to be religious is a “nut”.
        I agree. those that are not nuts, are not whining about the gay marriage thing, they are embracing IT.
        Like good Christians.

        You seem to be under the impression that the bible MEANS SOMETHING to US law.

        what the bible Says is MEANINGLESS to the laws and the constitution.

        THAT is your problem.

        we have freedom of speech.
        They can completely rewrite the bible including pictures of angels giving head to god, if that is what they want to do.

        go live your own life and leave the rest of the world alone.
        your GOD is MEANINGLESS to the rest of us.

        • “My” God is meaningless to you and yet you can tell me what a “good” Christian is: one that doesn’t whine about the Gay Marriage thing? Sorry, but that logic doesn’t hold much water, for it tells me that you know more about being a Christian than I do, which would mean that you know what is in the Bible. I intend to live my life and will leave you alone. I DEFINITELY know where YOU stand and you do what you like with your freedom of speech. Remember though, people like me have freedom of speech as well and I think THAT is YOUR problem.

          • I have no problem with your freedom of speech.
            It is YOU who has shown that he does NOT respect others Freedom of speech, based opn the hatred you post.

            You really think god is good with your intense hatred?

            Thou shall not hate.
            you feel the fires of hell yet?

          • I have no problem with others Freedom of Speech. I don’t even have a problem with your typical Liberal Know-it-All, immature brat attitude (i.e. the “name calling” … calling us “cons” … is that some buzzword that you learned from MSNBC or some other so-called news outlet?) that comes across that you know more than everybody else and we are to be considered “hateful” if we dare to disagree with you. Grow up, Reality Check. Same advice goes for you: Thou shalt not hate. Little kids (brats) call other people names like you call us. People that can’t tolerate an opinion other than their own resort to digging up all sorts of website links and God knows what else so they can “pummel” their opposition into the ground. You seem pretty good at that. And, oh yeah, are you feeling the fires of hell yet? Oh, that’s right, you don’t believe in any of that claptrap.

          • You and your group like to fling around the word ‘hate’ whenever you are disagreed with. Disagreement is NOT ‘hate’. Words have meaning.

          • Good one. I just echoed that below.

          • You are absolutely right and unbelievers cannot understand what the Bible says because it is from God and spiritually discerned. We can see both sides of life; they can only see the dark side where there is no light until they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
            1 Corinthians 2:14….But the natural man (unbeliever) receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

      • Madelym Shockey

        God warns of those coming like wolves in sheep’s clothing. These LGBT rewritings of the Bible are instigated by the great deceiver himself, Satan/ God said that Satan would tickle the ears of the faithful

  8. More evidence of their sick demented and perverted excuses to allow them to claim some semblance of
    normalcy. If you violate the word of GOD you have sinned and there is no changing that. The degree
    of the sin might be tolerated to a degree but a sin is a sin is a sin unto eternity. Desecrating the BIBLE
    with corrupt language to try and persuade others to follow your sinful acts is a sin also. You cannot
    change that and it will not change it. God teaches us to hate the sin, but to love sinner. I have no doubt
    that Jesus associated with and knew sinners from all walks of life in his time. But that does not mean that
    he condoned the sins they committed and unless they changed he could not absolve them of them either.

  9. SCOTUS is immoral by passing gay marriage as law, now gays are suing everything Christian!

    SCOTUS will next accept polygamous marriages, will make children undergo sex change surgery without parental consent, AND will accept obama’s sharia law that worships a prophet for raping a 9 year old girl, making pedophilia legal!

    Its a shame that SCOTUS just made Russia more Christian than America. The 19th-century Russian writer Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote “If God does not exist, then everything is permitted.”

    • SCJ Roberts said that their reason of the
      decision for not voting against the ACA is that Congress should vote against
      the ACA, not the SCOTUS. Congress represent the people. The ACA had nothing to do with the US Constitution.

      However, five members of the SCOTUS felt that God’s Laws were no longer valid and same sex marriages were Ok. They fail to realize that Marriages was started by God, not the states. Genesis 2:21-25.
      It isn’t even mentioned in the Constitution. Homosexuals do have a right
      to “sin” if they want to. But they do not have a right to force you to not
      follow your Christian beliefs and make you participate in their sin. Marriages
      were taken care of by the church until it was decide that the counties
      need to issue marriages licenses to make money for the counties. Before
      that, separation of church and state meant that the church took care of
      marriages. I have a question for the Supreme Court: Have you as a
      group, become so important and powerful that you can change God’s laws? If so, does that mean you are greater than God and we are to worship you rather than the God of the Bible?

      When anyone or any group challenges God’s laws and decide that such laws can be changed at their discretion, they are trading on dangerous ground.

  10. SOOOO, WHO RE-WROTE THE GREEK VERSION ? ANSWER !

    • Madelym Shockey

      A multitude of scholars transcribed the Hebrew and Greek versions of the Bible into English. They were well versed and extremely educated and intelligent. Believe me, if God was displeased by the English version, He would have wiped it out! He is, as we know, Omnipotent! This is why I am sure the devil inspired LGBT version of the Bible will continue to be a laughing stock! No well versed Bible reading Christian would believe the silly, lying version that the LGBT community (along with the great deceiver…Satan) is trying to pass off as true!

  11. Revelation 22:19 King James Bible
    And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
    God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the
    holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    • Absolutely true: God willed it, the Son Jesus Christ spoke it, the Holy Spirit performs it, and that settles it.

      • Billy Bob Johnson

        And some guy wrote his version of it hundreds of years ago.

        • Billy Bob,
          The same Scripture applies.

        • @ Willie Bobbin , Ah yea , ” Some guy ” ….. WoW the depth of your Bible knowledge is amazing , especially the HUNDREDS of YEARS ago part …… you should do stand up ….

        • Susan Johnson Brackett

          If ‘some guy wrote his version of it hundreds of years ago’ why do you care about what he said back than? I don’t care what Budha said hundreds of years ago. I don’t go around changing the teachings of Budha. So you see, your ‘argument’ has not legs to stand on.

          • Buddha is NOT God but the Word of God does come from the True and Living God Whom you do not know; as proven by your comment. If you had a clue about Who God is, you wouldn’t have made such an erroneous statement.

          • You jumped her in error. Stop being so judge-‘mental’. Especially before you comprehend what you are judging. That’s supposed to be left to Christ. He is the Ultimate Judge. He will judge you and me.

          • They way it is written my comment was appropriate.

          • two words: reading comprehension. She was obviously defending the Bible.

          • She certainly is. It boils down to we need to pull the log out of our eyes before we complain of a sliver in anyone else. Our relationship with God is an individual relationship. Not a relationship with anyone else. It boils down to let a sinner sin if they wish, it is on THEIR solders, not yours or mine. Love thy neighbor Abhor the sin. Just as He does.

          • Yeah, you can suggest anything to anyone, but you surely can’t expect them to mind you. Sometimes you have to let sleeping dogs lie, and move on to another prospect. Not all people will be saved in these end times. But there is supposed to be a falling away, which has already happened, then a revival of sorts. I think that revival has already started. Even the Jews in Israel are starting to accept Christ as the Messiah.

          • You have to also see who she was responding to. That helps in comprehension.

          • Sandy129. If you were as religious as you like people to believe you are, you would know that only God judges. You jump for no good reason.

          • Sounds like you are judging me actually, my comment was on the comment, not personal. I am sure I am not the only one who read it the same way.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Amen! The ones who cry “You’re judging!!” are themselves judging very harshly. Interesting, isn’t it!! The ones who cry out against judgment are themselves very judgmental and unforgiving.

          • Why is it that it is 99% that only the lost jump on the words of judgment, I will tell you what I know about judgment……..the bible tells us we are not to judge (the lost) because we were once the same as they are, sinners….but we are to judge the right or wrong of another Christian, if they fail to live for Christ and fall into sin and stay there, we are to judge and try to convince them back, and if they don’t stop the sinning, we are to toss them out of the church……I say to you gays, if I say, you are wrong, it is not judging you, I am allowed to read the true Word of God and I am allowed to quote it without being attacked as judging you, you would call me judging you if I just read God’s word out loud, might that would be God judging your conscious if they just hear the Words, Thou shall not……sin is sin you can be forgiven for the act of homosexuality just as well as one can be forgiven for drunkenness. The truth is, I was almost lead in that direction by satan but for the grace of God there go a lot of people, it is the worst gross sin that is hard to get out of, satan has a real hold on them, Oh Lord, I pray for you to be strong and fight that sin……I will admit that God loves all of you as much as He love the holy church …….now listen to me well, this is important!!!!
            There is only……one thing…..that will get you to Hell…….and …..likewise only one thing …. that will put your name in the book of live and have eternal life in Heaven with Christ………The one thing to get you to hell is……rejecting Christ and failing to receive Him as Lord of your life (that would take repentance also …………….and ….the only thing that can get you to Heaven is; ……..Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and receiving Him and the Holy Spirit…..but one can not receive Christ unless there is a repenting of their sin, acknowledging it to Christ, confessing your sorrow for it and asking Him to save you, you would be welcomed in Christ’s arms and all His children, the church and no one would look down on you for your past, Every Christian has a dirty past, washed by the blood of Christ, you can take the same bath.

          • Thank you! I’ve wanted to say this for a long time, but didn’t remember exactly what it said and I didn’t want to say it wrong.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Your principled reason on how Christians are NOT the ones judging is spot-on.

          • Awesome post-and very well said! Like my dad used to say, “there was one perfect man, and they crucified him”! I ask for His forgiveness every day.

          • you sound like you are in Christ, so I will tell you a secret, Jesus forgave your sin, when you asked it of Him the day you became His, He took all your sin from birth to death or rapture on the cross, you don’t have to ask Him daily for forgiveness, if any wrongs after being in Christ, He says, just confess it, so He wants you to say sorry Lord, please help me with guiding my foot steps, so now smile, you are loved.

          • We are NOT to hate or despise anyone of God’s creations and that is exactly what you and I are. We are to love them. We are, however told that we must abhor sin. sin is described in the Bible. LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR. It is in the Ten Commandments and is basis for all behavior and actions.

          • Hi yaki534…….let me enlighten your knowledge on sin and the dealings of the Ten Commandments, I praise God He set me free from the law, the law of condemnation, and that is the Ten Commandments!, They can’t save you, they can only condemn you….Please don’t set your Christian walk in step with keeping the 10 commandments, Let the Spirit lead you into all righteousness (for Jesus’s sake) a man named Carl Parks explained it better then most, ( What is sin ) We inter a new life in Christ and we have to learn what sin is, Where is the liberty in that new life…..You accepted Jesus, so that He would set you free, now there seems to be a network of chains of rules and laws and commandments, Is this what you think?…….Many of you reading this right now have not surrendered your life to Jesus and asked God’s Spirit to come into you and give you His life because this is precisely what you think.
            Maybe you have tried it before and couldn’t get past the SIN question, Sin everywhere. Everything was sin, your are a sinner, and that’s it, Well………
            What is sin?…………..The word SIN is mentioned a lot in the bible, but it is never really defined. The Bible seems to be a little vague as to really spelling out what things are sin and what are not. Especially with our new, modern life styles, There are things today that people tell us are sin and did not exist in days of the bible, so the bible doesn’t really pin-point these things or not………So, how can you really know? What sin is? and the answer is: “All unrighteousness is Sin,” In other words, Sin is the opposite of “righteousness” and look at it this way yaki534……Rom 3:10 tells us no one is righteous and that makes us all sinners so the answer is somewhere else, and we find the truth in Abraham, Abraham Believed God, and it (his belief) was counted unto him for righteousness, Gen 15:6 states that God counted Abraham’s faith as righteousness, think about that! That’s all Abraham had to do, to be considered righteous. Was just believe God…….but know this, the word believe also requires obeying God, In other words, Abraham obeyed God and that is in the bible also……..Maybe if Eve, in the garden believed God instead of that snake, we wouldn’t be in this problem today, Eve’s sin was not eating the fruit, it was disobeying God. Abraham most likely and you too most likely ate of the same fruit, but we have never been told by God not too eat of this fruit…….So……the answer to what sin is; is, ……..just not believing God!…..The question will come around sooner or later about the law……What law?…….Well, God’s law or course and that is not the 10 commandments, the law of 10 commandments was just a way to define the real law of God, think that over very slowly, Moses took to the Israelites God’s law into words to tell the people how to keep God’s law,….God’s law today is still the same as when Adam and Eve were around, His law has never changed…….God’s law is LOVE…….that’s all, just love….. and the Mosaic law was an attempt to tell people how to love, The 10 commandments very simply tell you how to love you neighbor and God. You can see love being defined in every point of the Mosaic law……The Mosaic law being in the negative, ” Thou shalt Not……Thou shalt not kill,……look at the positive e side of it, thou shalt give life, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, help the wounded etc. and that my friend was the teachings of Jesus to the point of reality. look at the rest of the commandments, put them in the positive sense and it will bring a smile to you. to see a real truth……… knowing that Abraham was justified by faith Gen 26:5…..The word law was translated from the Hebrew word TORAH which means Direction or Teaching…Abraham kept God’s law and was promised to be the father of many nations. Abraham lived 400 years before Moses, so we know that we are not talking about the 10 commandments, there was not even a bible during the life of Abraham, so there was no record of any law written down for Abraham to read……in fact, Abraham is the very reason for the bible, he was God’s start to bring Jesus into the world. What law? did Abraham keep that pleased God so much……and how did Abraham know God’s law in the first place, in order to keep it……Jump 400 years ahead for the answer to that……Deut 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart…..Wow….and in Psalms 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide….Wow again…….again….Isa 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law…….At this point, everyone reading this should know that you too! have had God’s law written in your soul (heart) and that is how Abraham knew God’s law to obey it……The law being written in every heart makes man responsible for his or hers actions….but most me do not follower their heart even thought it was in their heart to know at one time before they became so hardened that God was love and He demanded it of us too……The law in your heart is Matt 22:37-40 and Paul said it in word as so….For all the love is fulfilled in one word, even in this; thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself Gal5:14 and Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ Gal 6:2………………..If the terminology of law written in your heart, confuses you, try a more modern term, it’s called CONSCIENCE, that’s God’s law within your heart, the meaning of conscience is (Moral sense) (To know) (Inwit) (knowledge within)…..a knowledge or sense of right and wrong with a compulsion to do right; moral judgment that opposes the violation of a previously recognized ethical principle and that leads to feelings of guilt if one violates such a principle, Conscience, (a) consciousness (b) inner thoughts or feelings, Conscience is from the Greek word Sunedesis and means “a knowing with oneself.” Paul said in Rom 14:23 that anything you do “doubting” it, it’s sin because whatsoever is not of faith is sin In other words, if you can not do anything in good faith towards God, it’s sin, You just know, You know what is right to do, and you know what is wrong also, when you do something that God does not want you to do, you feel bad, if you still have a conscience towards God, I like this verse, so well…….And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things, Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 1 John 3:19-21…….if your conscience hasn’t been working too good lately, and you want to hear God’s voice again, just ask Him to fill you with the Spirit and repair the damage, He will,….that is, if you will do what He tells you to .

          • DO NOT PREACH TO ME. You are not an ordained minister and since I have my own preacher, I don’t need you

          • lovinspoonful,
            Jesus specifically told His followers to spread the Gospel. That is what church members and preachers do. I know oof no place in the New Testament where preachers are the sole persons to spread the Gospel. No one is beating you over the head. In fact, the everyday, ordinary people in the New Testament were certainly not “ordained’ preachers. The First Amendment Provides US citizens with that choice. It also says you have a choice as well .So does the Bible in many places. So what’s your problem?

          • You sure have bitter feeling in your heart, and along with that comes a knowledge within you, your conscience is going to rub you the wrong way and you will know I am telling you the truth and the truth will set you free from all this hurt in your heart just sit down and talk to our Lord, and your Pastor….you sound so young and insecure by batting at everyone, that’s not what Christ wants of you… He loves and wants you to love instead of what you are showing, No I am not your Minister, preacher or leader in person, but I am a teacher of the Word of God and His love, and yes, I have God’s ordination, and Simpson Bible College was my school many years ago and I have studied in God’s Word for near fifty years now, I am blessed in life by God to give others love and devotion and preach the Word of God, sorry young lady you are so offended and saying so many untruths about people you know nothing about…..and yes, you do need me if you are truly a born again Christian, and every other person in Christ, for we are just one in Christ, we are the bride, the church, and in Heaven, if you will be there, I will find you and hug you, and there will be no unhappiness in you I went back over all my posts to you, do you realize I was talking to the homosexuals, if that represents you, please re-read my posts, you can be freed from that sin if you really , really want freedom from it and be normal as God created you. and if that be you, you are only hoping to be a Christian without the repentance in your posts.

          • lovinspoonful Do you know the difference between Religious and Relationship. Religious comes from the Latin word Religio meaning Regimented work. Those who are Religious are trying to earn their salvation and good standing with God through works. Christianity is based on Relationship with the True and Living God through the Person of Y’shua Ha’Mashiach. Who is God in the flesh.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            You are dead wrong. A faith that is acceptable to God is a lively, working faith.

            Jas 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
            Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food,
            Jas 2:16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?
            Jas 2:17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
            Jas 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
            Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!
            Jas 2:20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?
            Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?
            Jas 2:22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works;
            Jas 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God.
            Jas 2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
            Jas 2:25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
            Jas 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.

            Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts. And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks.
            Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God.
            Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
            Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
            Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going.
            Heb 11:9 By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise.
            Heb 11:10 For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God.
            Heb 11:11 By faith Sarah herself received power to conceive, even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised.
            Heb 11:12 Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as many as the innumerable grains of sand by the seashore.
            Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.
            Heb 11:14 For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland.
            Heb 11:15 If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return.
            Heb 11:16 But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.
            Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was in the act of offering up his only son,
            Heb 11:18 of whom it was said, “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.”
            Heb 11:19 He considered that God was able even to raise him from the dead, from which, figuratively speaking, he did receive him back.
            Heb 11:20 By faith Isaac invoked future blessings on Jacob and Esau.
            Heb 11:21 By faith Jacob, when dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, bowing in worship over the head of his staff.
            Heb 11:22 By faith Joseph, at the end of his life, made mention of the exodus of the Israelites and gave directions concerning his bones.
            Heb 11:23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hidden for three months by his parents, because they saw that the child was beautiful, and they were not afraid of the king’s edict.
            Heb 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter,
            Heb 11:25 choosing rather to be mistreated with the people of God than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin.
            Heb 11:26 He considered the reproach of Christ greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for he was looking to the reward.
            Heb 11:27 By faith he left Egypt, not being afraid of the anger of the king, for he endured as seeing him who is invisible.
            Heb 11:28 By faith he kept the Passover and sprinkled the blood, so that the Destroyer of the firstborn might not touch them.
            Heb 11:29 By faith the people crossed the Red Sea as on dry land, but the Egyptians, when they attempted to do the same, were drowned.
            Heb 11:30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down after they had been encircled for seven days.
            Heb 11:31 By faith Rahab the prostitute did not perish with those who were disobedient, because she had given a friendly welcome to the spies.
            Heb 11:32 And what more shall I say? For time would fail me to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets—
            Heb 11:33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, enforced justice, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
            Heb 11:34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, were made strong out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.
            Heb 11:35 Women received back their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, so that they might rise again to a better life.
            Heb 11:36 Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment.
            Heb 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were killed with the sword. They went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, afflicted, mistreated—
            Heb 11:38 of whom the world was not worthy—wandering about in deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
            Heb 11:39 And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised,
            Heb 11:40 since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.

            Notice every one of these Bible characters showed their faith by their obedience; by their ACTIONS..

          • A person is saved by GRACE(Jesus) through faith.
            To him that WORKETH NOT but believeth on Him that justifies the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness(Romans 4:5).
            Faith without works is dead(James 2:24). Paul and James do not contradict each other. Paul is addressing faith towards God who doesn’t have to see a persons works because He knows the heart.
            James is addressing faith towards other believers who can ONLY see their faith by their works.

            One of the common arguments
            that people who believe in Lordship Salvation is, “If you don’t have
            works, you never had true faith.” They say that since “faith without
            works is dead,” faith must be validated by works, and if you don’t have
            works, you obviously don’t have faith. The problem with this belief is
            that is not what the Bible says!
            Many times, pastors teach
            this because they see people who claim to be Christians but who live
            wickedly, so that when others see their lives, they are turned off to
            Christianity. They want people to live the way they should, but instead
            of teaching the importance of good works after salvation, they teach if
            you don’t have them, you aren’t saved.
            James chapter 2 is wrongly
            used as proof of this teaching. James shows the importance of good
            works, but it doesn’t say that your faith is not real – it says it’s
            dead.
            What does “dead” mean?
            “Dead” doesn’t mean “non-existent.” James even gives an example that
            proves it. James tells as the body without the spirit is dead, so is
            faith without works. Instead, James illustrates it to mean “unproductive
            and useless.” The body is “dead.” There is no life in it; it cannot
            help anyone. Although it is present, it is completely and utterly
            useless.
            This is the correlation
            James uses to describe “dead” faith. The faith is real, it exists, but
            it is completely unproductive. If you were to come across a dead body,
            you would probably be disgusted and get away from it. This is how the
            unsaved see Christians when they don’t act the way they say they
            believe. Because they see so much hypocrisy in the lives of believers,
            they don’t want anything to do with Christianity.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Dead means dead. Just as the body without the spirit is dead. Faith without works of obedience is dead..e.g. vain, empty, useless. You can’t maintain that argument in the face of Heb. 11.

          • We’re not save by faith, but by GRACE. I stand by my post. James is an epistle on Christian living and he’s talking to Christians and not telling them how to be saved. Paul and James don’t contradict each other and because it sounds like they do many pastors stay away from James. Luther believe James didn’t belong in canon.

            Is salvation by faith in Christ alone or in faith plus works? This is one of the most important questions that must be answered when Christians witness to those in the cults. Almost uniformly, cults teach that salvation is obtained through a combination of a person’s faith plus works. In other words, the cults will
            almost always teach that eternal life is based at least in part on
            doing a certain list of good deeds or serving the organization with time
            or money. The challenge for the Christian,
            is to convince them to stop trusting their own good works or obedience
            for salvation and to put all of their faith and trust in Jesus alone for eternal life. Often
            a Christian will rightly turn to the Apostle Paul’s words in Ephesians
            2:8-10, Titus 3:5, or Romans chapters three and four to document the
            Biblical doctrine of salvation through faith alone. But, at this point almost every cult member — whether Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness, Worldwide Church of God, etc — will turn to the book of James to defend their belief that works are necessary for salvation. The Clash of the Apostles Paul says that God is the, “…justifier of him which believeth in Jesus …By
            what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude
            that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law” (Romans
            3:26-28). However James states, “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only” (James 2:24). When witnessing to someone in a cult, Christians should
            be prepared to deal with this apparent contradiction. The nature of the
            Gospel hinges on a proper understanding of the relationship of faith
            and works in salvation. Justification by Faith The major
            theme of Paul’s letters is that salvation is a totally free gift — not
            earned by good works, rituals, or obeying laws. Eternal life is by
            grace through faith. In Romans chapters three and four alone, Paul states this principle no fewer than fifteen times. A few examples are: “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight….” (Rom. 3:19). “But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested….” (3:20). “Being justified freely by his grace….” (3:24). “…Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness” (4:3). “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justified the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” (4:5). “…God imputeth righteousness without works” (4:6). Therefore it is of faith that it might by grace….” (4:15). Justification by Works? However, when turning to James one finds what appears at first to be a direct contradiction. James states: “…though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?” (James 2:14). “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone….” (2:17). “But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” (2:20). “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.” (2:24). This
            apparent conflict between the two epistles has caused confusion on the
            part of many Christians when cult members point to James as “proof” that
            one must earn salvation. As one commentator, Dr. D. Edmond
            Hiebert, observes, “This paragraph [James 2:14-26] is one of the most
            difficult, and certainly the most misunderstood, sections in the
            epistle. “It has been a theological battle ground; James often
            has been understood as contradicting Paul’s teaching that salvation is
            by faith alone apart from works” (The Epistle of James, D. Edmond Hiebert, p. 174). Reformer Martin Luther, the champion of salvation through faith alone sola fide, once even called the book of James “a right strawy epistle” because of this difficult passage (ibid). While some critics may even point to this as an example of the Bible contradicting
            itself, a close examination shows no contradiction between Romans and
            James — both Paul and James were teaching the same Gospel. What Kind of Faith? In different contexts, the words belief or faith can mean a number of various things. Someone may say, “I believe we will have rain tomorrow.” This kind of belief is simply expressing an opinion or fact. This type of belief, even when applied to religious truths, is not the kind of faith that saves. The devilsbelieve that there is one God (a true Biblical fact) but this is not saving faith (James 2:19). It is only agreeing with a fact such as someone who believes two plus two equals four. As James Adamson points out the word faith (pisteuo) “…is used sometimes to mean mere intellectual belief in God’s existence, a faith which even the devils share. (The Epistle of James, The New International Commentary on the New Testament p. 125. It is this type of faith that James is attacking. He rightly points out that one can distinguish between this type of “dead” faith and saving faith. Saving
            faith will produce a changed life. A person who is saved is trusting
            Christ alone for their salvation, not their works (ie Romans). However, once saved by grace alone, a true Christian will want to practice good works such as feeding the poor (ie James). Not to earn salvation — which they already have — but because they are saved. (see Ephesians 2:8-10). John Calvin reduce this principle to a sentence: “Faith alone justifies, but the faith which justifies is not alone” (The Principles of Theology, p. 61). James is warning of a belief in facts — a type of faith that never results in a changed life. Saving faith comes when someone stops trusting their own goodness or work (Phil. 2:8) and puts all their trust in Christ for salvation. And this type of faith will naturally exhibit good works. Two Deadly Kinds of Faith Paul and James were defending two different errors. As
            one author explains, “They are not antagonists facing each other with
            crossed swords; they stand back to back, confronting different foes of
            the Gospel” (Alexander Ross, The Epistles of James and John, p. 53). James
            was warning of the wrong kind of faith — that is mere intellectual
            assent or belief in facts. Even if these facts are true, this type of
            faith can not save. Paul’s concern is over a different error.
            Faith with the wrong object. Paul was addressing those who were trusting
            in their own works or obedience rather than trusting Christ alone for salvation. This
            kind of faith — faith in works — does produce a changed life. Like
            the Pharisees, people who believe that works are necessary for salvation
            are zealous to perform these works. But neither faith in facts nor faith in works saves. For
            both Paul and James, true salvation is found in believing, trusting,
            and having faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross alone for
            salvation. This type of faith, true faith, will result in two things: eternal life and a desire to do good works. WHICH WORKS SAVE? The
            list of works necessary for salvation varies from cult to cult. A cult
            member will often feel that their eternal life is based on all or some
            of the following: Donating money or tithesParticipation in secret ritualsAbstaining from certain foods or beveragesSpending hours each month fund-raising(through literature distribution, orthe selling of trinkets or flowers)Recruitment of new membersObserving certain holy daysNot observing certain holy days or holidaysObeying the Ten Commandments and/or other lawsBaptism by the organizationMaintaining membership in the groupAbstaining from medical treatmentsPurchasing the programs or literature needed for enlightenmentLoyalty and obedience to superiorsLimiting contact with former members or others outside the group Although some of the items on this list are worthy goals that Christians should
            be involved in, none of these help gain eternal life. Salvation is a
            free gift (Titus 3:5). If someone is trusting any of these good deeds to
            help them earn salvation, they are not fully trusting Jesus as their Savior.

          • Jesus DID pave the way for us to go to Heaven when He was crucified and died on the cross for none of us was without sin and n one can go to Heaven without His sacrifice.

          • Yes He did, praise His name. Heaven is a righteous place(Romans 14:17) and we MUST be righteous to go there.
            For those that receive Christ our sin is imputed unto Him and His righteousness is imputed unto us(1Cor. 1:30; 2Cor. 5:21) as if we never sinned which is another GIFT of God. Now to be absent from the body is to be PRESENT with the Lord(2Cor. 5:8; Philippians 1:23).
            Christ is the end of the law for righteousness(Romans 10:4). Christians sin, but sin is NOT imputed(Romans 4:8; 2Cor. 5:19; Hebrews 10:17). We confess our sins(1John 1:9) to restore fellowship not relationship.

          • Every post I read of yours, is better and better, Did I tell you your Goooo,….great

          • You’re real, I would say good but only the Lord is Good, thanks brother for the post.

          • Thanks for the encouragement. Many pastors steer clear of James because it looks like James and Paul contradict each other.
            You can get a free commentary from Victory In Grace on the book of James. The pastor is Dr. James Scudder and comes on Sunday afternoon at 2:30 EST.
            You can call for it at…1-800-78-GRACE. Blessings.

          • In a few simply words, stop showing off with the whole bible, we love His word too! and when we surrendered and asked Jesus for forgiveness, He gave us a new spirit, new live and a will to serve Him and our faith shows our works, and our works show our faith, so stop trying to cut a fellow brother down by saying, He is dead wrong, Let Jesus touch your conscience on that one, and may you feel a little remorse, maybe you should say I’m sorry brother to him, for he’s alive in Christ and you just failed Christ in your post.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            It’s not showing off. It’s simply letting God’s Word speak in context. Sorry if that offends you.

          • You know I am not offended…….Re-read the post of Paris, He basically is saying that religion is man trying to reach up to Heaven and Christianity is God reaching down to man, How can he be (((dead))) wrong when he’s so right, Even Jesus came hating religion. You owe the man the words; I’m sorry brother, It is easy to type Scripture, anyone can do that…..but your main point was deflating a brother in Christ by telling him he was DEAD wrong, I already know a little about you, The book of James in the bible seems to be your favorite, my favorite is Proverbs in the old and Cor 1 and 2 in the new. Am I guessing wrong if I think you don’t believe in internal security either. and am I DEAD wrong by saying a saved person is saved by grace alone and not of works at all. A Christian’s walk is determined by their love for Christ and others, and good works are just done automatically because of the Love Jesus pours into us. I also know you love A/C, I do too!…….I love flying, maybe that’s why I stayed in the military to retirement, over twenty years, and I know you love the Lord

          • I am not sure what church you attend, I usually can tell, I am just an old Southern Baptist gentleman, and would be ashamed to call any of my brothers (dead) wrong, for that is a selfish way of saying how great and good and right you are.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Not intended to show how “good and right” I am. Simply upholding the truth of the Bible. I’ll say he’s completely mistaken. So are those who say faith alone saves.

            What one must do to be saved:

            (1) Hear the Gospel, which is the power of God unto salvation (Romans 10:17, Romans 1:16,17)

            (2) Believe on Jesus as the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:16)

            (3) Repent of sins (Luke 13: 3, 5; Acts 17:30)

            (4) Publicly confess your belief that Jesus is the Son of God (Romans 10:9-10)

            (5) Be immersed in order to receive the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16, Mt. 28:18-20; Mark 16:15-16; I Peter 3: 20-21

            (6) Serve him faithfully the rest of your life (I Cor. 15:58)

          • I know more about you now, you could be Roman Catholic even, that’s OK, I have friends in the Roman church, no, your not in the Roman church!……What happens if your old nature pops up and some sin happens in your life, are you serving the Lord faithfully? or did you lose your salvation and have to start all over again……and are you using the book of Acts to verify that you must be baptized to be saved, I wonder if the guy on the other Cross next to Jesus will except your thoughts on that………..Baptisms is an outward condition of an inward heart condition showing others that you are willing to follow Jesus…..Baptisms by fire is the renewed person, when the Holy Spirit enters in and makes you a new creature in Christ , baptism by water can happen even weeks, months or even years later, it is only showing others your devotion and love to be a part of the body of Christ, if you have never been a Southern Baptist, and had been baptized in another church, come and join a Southern Baptist Church and you will be dunked again, I really think you belong to a church that does not except eternal security, then I will have you completely figured out. I’ll bet you hate this but I love you brother, and I think I am much older then you, I am only guessing but you sound like about 50 to 55 in age, that would put me about 30 years your senior and I am not too old to fly a Crop Duster, I would like to buy one, and remove the dusting equipment and paint it blue and gold.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            (1) I am simply a Christian. Nothing more. Nothing less. I am a member of the Church Christ promised to build (Mt. 16:18-19) I wear no humanly devised party name whatsoever.

            Mat 16:18 And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
            Mat 16:19 I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

            I am a member of the body of the saved. (Acts 2:41,47); the Church Christ purchased with His blood Acts 20:28.

            Baptism (water immersion) is not an outward sign of an inward grace. Water immersion is what washes away sin (Acts 22:16). Water immersion is what puts one into Christ (Gal. 3: 36-27). Baptism is what now saves us (I Peter 3:20-21). Scriptural water immersion has always taken place immediately upon obedience to the Gospel. Show me in scripture where anyone waited days, weeks, or even months to be immersed.

            Once the Christian sins all that is required is that he confess the sin to God and pray for God to forgive you for what has been done.
            Act 8:18 Now when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money,
            Act 8:19 saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay my hands, he may receive the Holy Spirit.
            Act 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy silver perish with thee, because thou hast thought to obtain the gift of God with money.
            Act 8:21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right before God.
            Act 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray the Lord, if perhaps the thought of thy heart shall be forgiven thee.
            Act 8:23 For I see that thou art in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity.
            Act 8:24 And Simon answered and said, Pray ye for me to the Lord, that none of the things which ye have spoken come upon me.

            If the sin is of such a public nature that it brings reproach upon the Church, it must be confessed publicly

            Jas 5:15 and the prayer of faith shall save him that is sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, it shall be forgiven him.
            Jas 5:16 Confess therefore your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The supplication of a righteous man availeth much in its working.

            Paint the plane like a Leland Snow Air Tractor

          • Your interepretaion is incorrect. We earn (your ord) uv=salvation through our belief and faith in the Almighty Lord Jesus.

          • lovnspoonfull,
            What? That is exactly what Shihan said.

          • No, it is not.

          • lovinspoonfull,
            I just reread what was said by both of you. Shihan was refferring to those who believe they have to earn their salvation but real Christians rely in a personal relationship with God.

          • Jerry, lovinspoonful is sitting on a tac, and something is bothing her real bad, forgive her, love her, and let her go, pay no attention to her post, she just feels she has to argue.

          • golding4,
            When I post it is for everyone’s reading. If it helps someone, fine. If not, I lose no sleep over it.

          • We can’t EARN salvation.

          • do you not understand the English language? Shihan said the religious people are trying to earn their salvation, what you don’t understand is Christians are not religious people, they are people of Faith, Religion is man trying to reach heaven, Christianity is God reaching down to man, did you sit on a tac or something, you sure have a bur, but I love you anyway.

          • I like your post brother…..I have always taught that Religion is man doing his best to reach up to God and Christianity is God reaching down to man.

          • You misunderstand the bible and what Jesus himself commanded. We are to use judgement , we are to judge actions, we are to confess our sins. Christ did not teach that we are to flower children, to embrace sin. We are to care about every sinner and to detest sin, we are also commanded to speak his truth. We cannot be forgiven our sins if we deny our sin is a sin. Calling evil good and good evil in the end times was prophesied , also , Christ speaks of false Christs and teachers. God will not have mercy on those who preach that sin is good in the eyes of the Lord, he gave that warning as did Christ.

            1 John 2:1-29 ESV / 29 helpful votes

            My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: …

            Isa 5:20 KJV Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
            Mat 24:1-5, 13-14 KJV [v. 1] And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. [v. 2] And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. [v. 3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? [v. 4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. [v. 5] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. [v. 13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. [v. 14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

            2 Timothy 3:1-13 – without a doubt this speaks directly to those who change the Word of God in an attempt to make their sin good. They have set themselves up for God’s terrible wrath if they do not turn away from this.

            There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God– having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth–men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone. You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, persecutions, sufferings–what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. —

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Amen!! That’s how to put the Sword into battle!!

            Lev 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

            Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

            Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.
            Rom 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
            Rom 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
            Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
            Rom 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
            Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
            Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
            Rom 1:25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
            Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
            Rom 1:27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
            Rom 1:28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
            Rom 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,
            Rom 1:30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
            Rom 1:31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
            Rom 1:32 Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

            Here are some more references. Scripture should be quoted at every turn in this debate. There really isn’t a debate as far as the Bible’s concerned.

          • I do not misuderstand the bible at all. I understand it as well as you; however, I do not deign to preach to others. You overstep yourself when you attempt to preach to others if you are not ordained to do so.

          • We are all a priests unto the Lord, says, His Word the bible and we are all to go ye into the world preaching the Gospel of Christ, win some, lose some but all the rewards you gain in Heaven will be because of what you did as a servant down here…..you are commissioned to spread the gospel, so don’t tell another in Christ they are overstepping themselves to preach and teach the gospel, Christ would say, I love you but how dare you. let me tell you about a man, was not ordained, in fact I think the 9th grade was as high as he got in school and God may have reached into the bottom on the barrel for him and this man really loved God and knew the bible better then any person I ever knew, he just seemed to remember everything he read in the bible, he visited a church in a town in Wa. state and they had no pastor, and it was a singing service, He walked up to the front of the people opened the bible and started preaching, that was twenty nine years ago, and he’s still the preacher there and every service he has, someone comes forward to receive Christ, so what do you think of a person not ordained by men but of God even without a high school education

          • And it’s going to get real bad soon, Thank you sister, for the wisdom you are showing by His Word…You mentioned Jesus and you mentioned God, I like to see them as one as in math, it’s not 1+1+1=3 BUT IT IS 1X1X1=1 ((((IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD, AND THE WORD PUT ON FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US …..Jesus was all man, and all God at the same time, isn’t that a WOW….but remember, when the Lord comes for us, don’t expect to see the lowly Savior, You are going to see Jehovah the King of all Kings, Lord of all Lords in all His power and Grace and glory, I am so waiting at His posts of His doors, I wish it were tonight.

          • This is the most grossly evil to come out of man yet. We, as GOD’S people can only continue to read and obey HIS WORD.

            2 Peter 13-14
            13. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.
            14. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of knowing of whom thou hast learned them

            Revelation 22:18-19 have already been written earlier here but are worth printing and reading again

            18. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, GOD shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.

            19. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, GOD shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book

          • If any see me smiling, it’s not because of the evil in the world but it is because time is short and I will get to see my Lord soon…..Thank you brother Evermyrtle for your post.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            See my reply to peanut butter.

          • In Revelation, it says Christ will sit in the judgment seat. Get off of your vengeance. Another sin. That is also reserved for Christ.

          • I showed no vengeance. Look it up.

          • Born again Christians have already passed from judgment, for Christ has already paid the price for all their sin……but yes, after the rapture, Christians will have to give an account for their service and receive rewards or not….depending on what they did in their Christian life, How did they serve the Lord, and if any awards are collected, they can be put at the feet of Christ, Jehovah the King of all Kings in all His glory ///// and now to the Great White Throne Judgment Seat of Christ, that is after a thousand years and only the lost will be there for judgment.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            We are not told to abstain from judging. We are told to judge with righteous judgment.

            Joh 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

            When anyone points out what the Bible says about any given behavior, word, thought, etc. we are not passing judgment. We are only pointing out a judgment that God Himself has already pronounced. Therefore, your accusation if baseless.

          • If you say somebody is going to hell, that is judgment reserved ONLY for Christ. Period. Of course we have to make personal judgments every day as to who we want to be around that will edify us instead of taking us away from righteousness. And we have to judge for safety reasons. But we are NOT to PASS judgment. We can recite scripture, we can teach, preach, evangelize, proselytize, and anything else that might LEAD people to Christ. But if you tell them they are going to hell, you are in danger of hell fire yourself. Just because someone feels that they have defeated sin, it still gives them NO right to go around passing out death sentences to everybody that THEY think deserves it. You don’t know ANYONE”S relationship with the Almighty. So don’t try to step in His shoes and take names and hand out destruction.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Not true. We better tell people their sins will send them to hell. Again, we’re only telling them what God has promised to those who sin and do not repent and obey the Gospel.

          • With a smile, I say Amen………..

          • Wish,
            I am a firm believer in providing Scripture. Then there is no doubt unless the Scripture is taken out of context. That happens in cults a lot.
            I do not see the Gospel as fire insurance. I dwell on the positive side by promoting the Holy Spirit. Too often people learn about Jesus but have not come to be united with Him by the power of the Holy Spirit. That is not to imply that I am not aware of sin and hell. But the negative does not help with the compassion and grace of Jesus.

          • So you think Christ was wrong in his teachings. I would say you have a problem.

            9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

            10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

            11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

            Sexual Immorality

            12 “Everything is permissible for me”–but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me”–but I will not be mastered by anything.

            13 “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food”–but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

            14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also.

            15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never!

            16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”

            17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

            18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.

            19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

            20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

          • Mindy,
            I do not deny anything that Jesus or the Bible teachers, period. I said I do not DWELL on the negative. But that does not men I do not discuss them as needed. Hell was created long before humans an exists for Satan and his followers. It is there for all who deny Jesus. But the idea is salvation from that fate via the positive side of the issue and that is an eternity with Jesus. That happens through Spiritual birth.
            Read Romans 8: 9-11. The Holy Spirit is our means of going to Heaven, not us. I Can talk about hell day and night. But have I given someone the truth about eh Holy Spirit? Hardly.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            That mentality against reinforcing the negative is why we’re where we are today, my friend. It is my duty to declare the whole counsel of God, not just the warm, fuzzy side of it. Those who rebel against God and His word in ANY WAY and refuse to repent and obey the Gospel will be damned to hell for all eternity and the greater part of the world better wake up, recognize, respect, and act according to that certainty.

          • Wish,
            As I already posted below, I do not DWELL on the negative. That is not to say I do not get into that aspect of the message of Jesus. But the message of salvation and the acquiring of the Holy Spirit is absolutely essential. We have churches full of people who know about Jesus but do not really have that Spirit filled attachment to Jesus or the understanding of that Holy Spirit within us.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            When you’ve tried and tried to teach people and all they do is call you ignorant, bigoted, narrow-minded, intolerant, and absolutely reject the plain teaching of the Holy Bible regardless of the evidence put forth, one gets tired of it and stops being Mr. Nice-guy. Even Jesus himself became very pointed when stirred to wrath. Read about when Jesus cleansed the temple. He overturned the money changer’s tables, he made a braided whip and ran the animals out. When one has had enough, one has had enough and I make no apologies for teaching the fire and brimstone side of God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit because these people can expect no less than God’s fiery vengeance for their willful and prideful disobedience.

          • Wish,
            I have had my issues with some people also. Not everyone is going to become a believer. And yes, Jesus got his fill of behavior in the temple. So do I get my fill of some folks. But we are called to spread the Gospel, not beat people over the head with it. I can and do speak out on the hell side of human behavior at times. But my emphasis is on the side of helping people to make the transition to the Holy Spirit side of Christianity for good reason. Romans 8:9-11 tells us that we do not save ourselves. Without spiritual birth and growth we lack the vehicle by which we enter into God’s heaven. It is by the Spirit of God that we can resist Satan. We put too much emphasis on loyalty to the church.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Loyalty to Christ and His Church cannot be separated. Heb. 10:25. Christ purchased the Church with His blood. Acts 20:28. To be de-emphasize loyalty to the Church is to de-emphasize loyalty to Christ.

            Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
            Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
            Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
            Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
            Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
            Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

          • Wish,
            I believe every word of the Scripture you quoted. I Said we put too much emphasis on loyalty to the church. Let me say more on that issue. All Christians should be going to church. But they should be doing so because of who they are becoming and for specific reasons to attend. much time is spent on encouraging by means that do not express the real reasons for churches and why worship should be a normal response and activity. We are NOT making it clear that we are there for a different reason than loyalty only. Loyalty should be a desire and not a coerced ‘duty”.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            I absolutely agree that attending worship faithfully should be a ‘want to’ and not a ‘have to’. If we’re only doing it because there’s a “Thus saith the Lord” we can’t get around, then we may as well not go at all. Our faithful attendance should be out of love for Christ and the deep gratitude for the price He paid in our stead. ” I had a debt I could not pay. He paid a debt He did not owe.”

            In stead of saying “It’s Sunday and I have to go to church.” or “It’s Wednesday night and I have to go to church again.” We should say “We GET TO GO.” and recognize it as a welcomed, eagerly anticipated occasion and not a drudgery borne out of legalistic obligation.

          • Wish,
            I favor Standing on the Promises, not sitting on the premessis. That is an old and well worn statement but oh so true. That is why I believe that ever pastor, music director and teacher has to be Spirit led every week. And everyone there should be firmly involved in worship, no matter what the service is for. If the attendees are not uplifted then the service is useless.

          • You think you know the word of God? Obviously not.

          • What have you got to say besides condemnation. You better re-read it.

          • You’d better read the other comments calling out your ignorance.

          • People’s opinions do not matter. Truth matters. Prove your point.

          • You already proved it. I can’t help it if you are wrong.

          • Good for you. Glad you are so sure of yourself. Still no proof.

          • So if someone has an opinion as far as you are concerned they are lying Only you can speak the truth? The only one I ever knew of to always speak the truth was Jesus.

          • I see a little more wisdom in you

          • People’s opinions do not matter, that includes you peanut butter, Truth does matter, go back and read all my rebuttals to you and know that truth does matter but you don’t have a very good grip on it. that’s my point……I love you little sister but you need to grow in knowledge and wisdom. please forgive me if this offends you. but only your old nature would be offended.

          • Goodforall,
            I understand peanut butter and I agree with him/her. Most Christians posting here understand and agree. I think you may be a little confused on the judgment issue. we are not to judge anyone here on earth. But we are present as Christians at the final judgment. But in reality we all make “judgments” all the time on many issues. One’s own track record is a judgment itself. That is how we get convicted of our sins. That can sometimes take time. I make decisions about people constantly depending on the inner person, not the race, religion or any other external issue.

          • Catholics misinterpret John 20:23. If someone says they came to Christ and I ask how, and they ADD anything to the finished work and shed blood of Jesus Christ I have the responsibility to tell them they’re not saved and still in their sins.

          • Sorry, not a statue worshipper. You can tell them that, if they are not saved and still in their sins. My point is this: you can’t condemn others to hell. Human beings do not possess that power, no matter how righteous they think they are or how righteous they are. That is RESERVED for Christ, who will judge us all. He will be the one who has the final say on who is going there. To try and be judge, jury and executioner because you are so ‘worthy’ in your own eyes, is a MAJOR sin.

          • I agree and that’s what Catholics do. If someone doesn’t come to God on His terms, then according to John 20:23, we tell them they’re still in their sins.
            Catholics think that verse gives them the right to forgive sins or retain sins.
            All cults exist on fear, wealth and control.

          • You sound like you don’t know that your saved already, do you have to wait and be judged by Christ, when He has already removed all your sin!!!!! Are you going to be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment Seat of Christ to know if your going to Heaven. Please, let me educate you a little as to what is going to happen, I know you are a Christian and you love the Lord, I can tell by the things you say….so….You will be raptured just before the tribulation comes upon the world down here, the place you just left by the rapture, you are taken to the Marriage feast of the Lamb, and before the feast, we have to give an account of our service to the Lord and He will give us rewards for our service, (I would hate to be in front of the Lord and have done no service for Him and receive no rewards that I could put at HIs feet) after the embarrassment (or Joy) the party will began, there will be a 7 year period of wonderful fellowship with the Lord and the Bride, the Church is united with Christ and remember he has been preparing for you the last two thousand years a place to live in Heaven, His city 1500 miles square called New Jerusalem that is going to settle on earth seven years later when He return to earth with the clouds (the clouds are all those dressed in pure white, the Bride) and the bride, the body of Christ will for the next thousand years rule under the Lord all over the earth and we will have peace on earth for a thousand years, after the thousand years, then comes the Great White Judgment Seat of Christ (for only the lost, when He says to them, I knew you not, depart from me and their soul is cast into outer darkness, all those who died not in Christ will be there for judgment, not one Christian will be there.

          • peanut butter,
            As I posted above we gain nothing by dwelling on sin and hell but we do on clarifying the positive side of the work of the Holy Spirit.

          • Indeed , we do not have the power to condemn and I am thankful for that. However, we do have the responsibility to warn those who are not saved. Per Christ, we are to teach all the truth, his truth and it is not a flower child truth! It is a harsh truth.

            9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

            10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

            11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

            Sexual Immorality

            12 “Everything is permissible for me”–but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me”–but I will not be mastered by anything.

            13 “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food”–but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

            14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also.

            15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never!

            16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”

            17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

            18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.

            19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

            20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

          • But you don’t do it harshly. That is my point. If you teach the Gospel with love, you will find more that will STAY there to hear it. You can’t show YOUR disdain for others, you can’t say in a disgusted voice, IF YOU DON”T STOP THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HELL! I’ve met too many people who use that unscriptural method. If people that you speak to don’t accept Christ, your part is finished. Just because they are upsetting your apple cart, you can’t get mad and condemn them. If they don’t accept what you have to say about Christ, that is between Christ and them, not YOU and them. He will have vengeance on them, or may find them changed and acceptable down the road. He’s waiting till the end to judge, just for that reason, because He knows people have the ability to change. And, like I said a hundred times before, If you try to condemn people, you may be found wanting at the judgment seat, because condemnation is reserved for our Creator.

          • Pamela Sue Therrien

            which is we we are to judge things, actions, words and such from God’s standards “righteous” but in no way can we judge the heart let alone the spirit of another for the scripture says clearly only God know’s the heart and soul and it is so written as is to add nothing or take nothing not one word from scripture and in fact is why all the Jewish scriptures (Old Testament) one person is chosen to reproduce in every detail and exact copy of the scripture and it takes many ,many years and even a lifetime

          • Thanks Pamela Sue. My point exactly. But you described it more plainly.

          • and it took at least 50 others to constantly check the work or copying

          • Pamela Sue Therrien

            totally true

          • Sorry peanut butter, you can do all possible to give them God’s way and Word for salvation, but if they won’t listen to you, after a while , you have to shake the dust of them off your feet and even tell them that there is a Heaven and Hell and no in between and many of them told me they would rather go party with their friends in hell and I have told many that they are on that road and their last breath will prove it…..Did you know that most everyone is going to hell, to be cast into outer darkness, I would like you to know some facts (please) 80% of this nation claim to be Christian, 17% claim other religions, and did you know that only 11,000,000 people are in church worshipping the Lord every Sunday and less than 4,000,000 are in church on Wednesday evening prayer meetings and they are basically the same people, that only speaks for 3% or less that prove the love for the Lord, I would guess that most of the 80%er are only fence sitters and the Lord said many will say, Lord, Lord and not see the Kingdom of Heaven and He the Lord also says, Wide is the road to Hell and narrow is the path to life……and ……few……there be….that find it…….. I would say, that if you told someone they are on the wrong road and theirs lead to hell….just maybe down the road, they may listen to someone else…..and I can not be in danger of Hell fire, No man can take me out of the hands of Christ, and I am a man also, You sound a little wishy washy on your salvation, When God came to die for us and too take all our sin on Him, He died for all our sin, from birth to death (or rapture) and the bible says that God won’t even remember our sin, when God sees us, He sees that we are in His Son who is God by the way……You may fail in your Christian growth and walk now and then, just confess it to the Lord by telling Him your sorry and need His help to guild your foot steps in the future…I know there are some Christians that believe they can fall from grace and go to hell, these are very weak people who put their faith in themselves instead of in the Lord, for they have to keep themselves saved, they surly can’t have the joy that passes all understanding, and that is above all measure.

          • Pamela Sue Therrien

            Put simply freewill is given by God to all and what we choose is therefore on our own shoulders…God hasn’t chosen to send that person to heaven or hell we make that decision for ourselves.God made it clear and easy with Christ the …we choose to accept love and forgiveness or to reject it. After all God know that real love is given freely it cannot be forced. Forced “love” is called control but heart given freely can be given 100% and wide open. Make your seat here Lord ,right here forever.

          • Pamela,
            You are correct. One word gets so abused within Christianity. That word is grace. God offers us the choice of His kingdom or the alternate one. Therefore, if anyone goes to hell, they do so by their own choice. Hell was originally created by God as a place for Lucifer, the fallen angel. Thus it becomes he dwelling place for those who choose to reject Jesus and accept Lucifer. Lucifer has made the way for lawlessness (sin). Godliness in the other choice. That choice has been there as long as the Hebrew people have existed.

          • Pamela Sue Therrien

            You are 100% correct and scripture is entirely clear on those points.

          • Pamela,
            I was looking for one particular passage on this topic and now I found it. I Corinthians 3:10-15 Paul specifically states what happens at Judgment time. We are all judged on our deeds but if we are God’s approved we are saved by Him.

          • You can go back all the way……A and E

          • Michael Dennewitz

            Actually, I think you missed the whole intention. When I tell my neighbor that he’s going to hell, I’m letting him know that scripture promises that (unless he changes his ways)! I doubt that anyone sets himself up as “the” judge of mankind rather, chooses to “warn” mankind…

          • You’re wrong, peanut butter. The Word of God has already condemned those, who reject him and live anyway they please.

          • Christ’s words, not mine, take it up with him, I have a feeling you will lose.

            9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

            10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

            11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

            Sexual Immorality

            12 “Everything is permissible for me”–but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me”–but I will not be mastered by anything.

            13 “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food”–but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

            14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also.

            15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never!

            16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”

            17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

            18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.

            19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

            20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

          • You can counsel people, and you can quote relevant scripture, but you can’t be and are not the one who can say whether somebody is going to hell because you DON’T know how they may turn from sin later on in life, not in your own little time frame that you have had know them and have already condemned them. If you condemn someone to hell, you are in danger of hell fire yourself. That’s in His word, too. We will be judged by the same judgment that we mete.

          • But Jesus was not talking to Christians, he was talking to the Jews in charge of the temple, you have a long way to go young lady, you even think you have to stand before Christ and be judged for your wrongs (sins) that is known by some of your other posts.

          • You are right, believers will not be judged for their sins since Christ died on the cross and took all of our sins on Him and God the Father judged them. That is why we can name our sins to God the Father and be forgiven. We will be judged for our works that were not under the power of the Holy Spirit and they will be burned. However, we will be rewarded for our good works under the power of the Holy Spirit at the judgment seat of Christ.

          • The precepts of men.

          • Man cannot solve their own problems but God can.

          • golding4,
            You lost me here. peanut butter referred to I Thessalonians 5:11. Paul was writing to the Christians at Thessalonica.
            My suggestion on this issue of understanding here is that any of you who does not understand the Greek word, baptisto, needs to know that is means in the Greek, immersion. So go back to the words of Jesus and plug in the word immersion. When Jesus ay to judge with righteousness He means led by the Spirit, which is our righteousness. Then read John 7:24.

          • You are so right Matthew 7:1–5 explains the point that you referring to.

            The only thing that we can do for sinners (we are all sinners, if we say we are not, we lie and the truth is not in us, read Timothy 3:1-17) is to tell them the truth that comes from GOD and HIS WORD.

            2 Peter 2:2, 20-21
            20. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, They are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
            21. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them

          • Thank you so much for your support. It is kind of disheartening to hear people that call themselves Christians attacking me in a non-Christian way. But people are taught in different settings. Some are ready to spew hell fire and brimstone. They are putting themselves in the Royal place of our Father and also our King. You can not condemn anyone to hell fire without putting yourself in the same jeopardy. Your scripture was comforting. I thank you also for that. That is what Christians are supposed to do, comfort one another (1 Thessalonians 5:11).

          • Wish,
            I add I Corinthian 6:9 as it is specifically emphatic.

          • Hello, Wish I was a crop duster, very nice and scriptural post!

          • “Judge not lest ye be judged.”

          • And with what judgment ye mete, it shall also be meted unto you. I’m not passing judgment. I’m trying to defend the Truth. I could have easier used your quote to say the same thought that you have just conveyed. That is my point.You can’t tell somebody that they are going to hell. PERIOD.

          • Are you sure you know the TRUTH?

          • Are you sure YOU know the Truth?

          • You don’t seem to know the whole bible!!!!!!!!

          • and that my friend is always the first thing said by the lost when they feel they have no other thing to say ,,,,,somewhat justifying their sinfulness

          • The problem with “Judge not that ye be not judged, is that without finishing the thought, it means nothing, it should not be used alone. We need to add verses 2-5 to finish the message. I believe when the WORD was put into English there should have been a comma, not a period placed after the word judged at the end of the sentence.

            ,

          • People are always saying, “Judge not” but they never finish the verse or include the next sentence.
            The actual scripture reads, “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

            Imagine that, it does NOT say “judge not”, it says that we will be judged with the same amount of judgement that *we* used in our lives.

          • But telling people that they are going to hell is moot. You can tell them that sin leads to hell, but YOU can’t tell them that they are going to hell. And you don’t need to go around, like so many on this thread agree with, picking out sinners just to tell them that. And I’ve seen it in action. It comes from self-centered, selfish, self-righteousness. NO ONE ON THIS EARTH is the Judge, that is Christ. We have to judge situations, organizations, and friends in a righteous way, for our benefit. We are supposed to edify one another, comfort one another, and try to ENCOURAGE others into the fold. If somebody came at me with unrighteous judgment, and told me I’m going to hell in their first breath, I’m not going to want to listen to anything they have to say. People run off the people that they supposedly want to teach. I know a woman who does just that. You can’t relegate people to hell before you get to teach them. And you can’t teach the Glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ to people who are running away from you. You have to befriend them first, with your actions, then TEACH them, not condemn them. They will learn what their sins are, and hopefully change them, AS THEY’RE BEING TAUGHT. You don’t run around taking names and spewing hell fire so you can put that person on your score card as either a Saint or a sinner, and see how many people you can mark off in a day, or try to fill your selfish quota. We have to be patient and teach with love, as Christ did. He didn’t run around trying to hand out eternal death sentences. He tried to bring sinners INTO the fold, not run them off.

          • That is what I have unsuccessfully tried to convey. If you condemn somebody to hell fire for THEIR actions, YOU may be condemned to hell for THAT action, because that decision doesn’t rest on you. It doesn’t matter if you are saved, you will still be judged for your actions, even your thoughts. Christ did not come and remove our sins from us, he came to save us from the sin that we commit from the day we are accountable until the day we die. We have to repent of our sins to be forgiven, it doesn’t come with the salvation package. Christ felt ALL our sins at the Garden Of Gethsemane. That’s why He bled from every pore. Could you image the pain? But He never said that He removed our sins from us. We are still responsible for them. Christ told His Disciples that if any city didn’t accept the Gospel, to kick the dust off their feet as a condemnation. But that is not directed toward us. If people don’t want to hear what you have to teach about him, they are offending Him, not you. Let Him handle it, don’t hand out vengeful words and threats of hell. “Vengeance is Mine”, that’s what He said. He will hand out justice, He doesn’t need a bunch of lay lawyers to do it for Him.

          • peanut butter,
            OK, now I see where you are coming from. There is way to let someone know about their spiritual condition without being point blank blunt. It usually works better. I tell people about choice. Who we are spiritually and who we become Spiritually are two different conditions. I can’t find the Scripture I need but it pertains to judgment. We are ALL judged, even the lost. We are judged on our deeds. Those deeds are burned up in fire. But we, who are at that point, Spirit filled will be saved no matter how much is burned up. Spirit filled people are present at the final Judgement.

          • Thanks, Jerry.

          • peanut butter,
            Here is the passage I was looking for. I Cor. 3:10-15 tells us about God’s judgment and that all our deeds are judged. Our worldly deeds are burned up. But those who are in Christ are saved from the fire.

          • It’s amazing how many lost in their sin use the ONLY scripture they seem to know regarding “JUDGING THEM ” and how God will judge us ALL what they don’t seem to know is WE who have been forgiven by JESUS CHRIST and him crucified WILL NOT BE JUDGED our sins are under his blood and put away as far as the east is from the west I suggest they do the same and to the LGBT rewriting God’s word is not going to CHANGE A THING in fact you people better start learning the FEAR OF ALMIGHTY GOD !!!

          • peanut butter,
            I think she entered her post on Susan’s post. I do that sometimes. It does not mean she disagrees with anyone.

          • peanut butter, His Word already judges the sins of man and He will not allow those, who are taking His Word apart and throwing whatever they don’t want to obey, away.

            Mostly, people, who don’t want to obey the Living God of the Holy Bible, the Word of His Son, Jesus Christ, demand that Christians should no judge. However, Christ told us to “judge, with righteous judgement,” (John 7:24) and only the righteousness, provided by the Lord, Himself, will allow His children to do so.

          • It IS a Biblical Mandate to judge the behaviors!! of brothers & sisters in Christ. That can include potty mouth, sexualsin ( all of them)

          • Susan Johnson Brackett

            you need to learn to read English!

          • Perhaps you need to write it better? or read it.

          • Susan Johnson Brackett

            I read it and wrote it in legal, understandable English. I am sorry that you are such a zealot that you read more into it than I said. That is your problem.

          • I addressed the comment as the comment, not to be personal. I don’t know you except what you wrote and apparently I am not the only one that interpreted it that way. Instead of being nasty, a simple explanation would have taken care of it and I probably would have apologized for misunderstanding you.

          • You addressed a comment that a PERSON wrote. That’s where it crosses the line as personal. If somebody walked up to you because of something you said and told you that you had made an erroneous statement and you didn’t have a clue about God, wouldn’t YOU take it personal? Just say you made a mistake and move on. Stop, please stop, trying to defend your error. That’s like defending sin. And you have to admit your sin to be forgiven.

          • Perhaps you need to read the word of God again.

          • Your comment has nothing to do with the conversation, you are now making it personal and I addressed the comment, not personal.

          • Yes, it does as you advised susan to write it better? or read it.

          • Your comment was personal.

          • Why are you concerned about how one reads when we are talking about Christ and His Holy Bible, that is the most important thing in your whole life rather you know it or not.

          • It still depends on the person’s interpretation of what he/she is reading.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            I think the point Susan is making is that we all know Buddhism is a false religion and therefore no one sees any need to fight against it. It doesn’t attack sin as only the Bible does. She’s saying the Bible must be from God and be true, otherwise why would so many try to discredit it and fight against it? Like I said earlier, Satan knows from whence the greatest threat to him and his influence comes.

          • Sandy129: I do know the True and Living God (the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) and I am incensed that people are making a mockery of His Holy Word.

          • Now, who are you to tell anyone of another religion that their gods aren’t real. Buddah transcended onto the godhead by their beliefs.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Amen!! One only expends energy to argue agains that which is a threat to them and/or their way of life.

        • WishIWuzACropDuster

          The Bible, as revealed to the holy men of God-not adulterated as this perversion of Holy Scripture, is not the product of any man’s mind. It is wholly from God.

        • Ever hear the word “plagiarism” ? It’s illegal.

      • WishIWuzACropDuster

        You said it, my friend!!

    • Adastra62 you beat me to it my friend in Christ, they have not a clue as to the terrible fate and judgment they’ve brought upon themselves!

      • They’ll find out.

      • Be very sad about it, for Christ loves them as much as he loves you or I

        • I am sad about it, my chest constricts with the sorrow I feel for those who will be damned. This is one of the miracles Christ has worked in me, I only began studying God’s word 2 years ago, at age 52. Before God started me down this path of understanding his word, I was judgmental and if I judged someone to be bad, I had no mercy for them. God changed that, first he worked in me so that I would learn to control my emotions, especially anger, you would not believe the miracle he has worked just in that area. Anyways, he then started showing me how easily we are all deceived and he showed me the faces of people damned to hell. I do not want anyone to be damned, I care about all people, even those who are my enemies and I pray for them, that they might receive the gift of Salvation Christ offers us. This is where people get confused, many believe that stating God’s truth, especially in regards to sin, is “judgemental” when in fact , it is stating the truth and a truth that one must embrace to insure their salvation. I am a sinner, the difference between myself and the unsaved is that God has taught me what sin is allowing me to repent of it and ask forgiveness , whereas the unsaved are embracing their sin, calling it good. They must turn away from this, it is a deception that will damn them to hell.

    • Adastra,
      Exactly. That was Jesus’ approach. Quote Scripture. That is a lesson I learned from Him.

      • Jerry, if you quote Scripture to a homosexual, the first thing they will say, “your judging me” you see, satan has a great hold on them, see my read above for more details.

        • WishIWuzACropDuster

          You’re right. They willingly confuse chastisement with being unloving. Let’s expose the hypocrisy in their reasoning. Parents chastize their children, sometimes harshly. That doesn’t mean they don’t love the child. Good parents chastize their children and tell them they were wrong and why because they want them to grow up knowing right from wrong and to be honest, compassionate, Christian human beings. It’s not out of hate or malice.

        • golding,4,
          They likely would tell Jesus the same thing. Well, maybe. it depends on the Scripture. What is judgmental about John 3:16?

        • However, satan is still beholden to God.

          • I am not sure what you mean about satan being beholden to God, it may be a fact that satan believes in God, for sure he does, but beholden means to me thankful to who you are beholden too….meaning….obliged to feel grateful; owing thanks…….and I am sure satan does not feel beholden to God

    • God has spoken.

      • I missed it, what did God say, was it that He loves them as well as he loves us in HIs church. was it, that He told you to pray for them, and did you tell them how God can forgive them also. God wrote HIs law in every heart, I am learning to listen to my heart in how to love and live, they are just sinners, unsaved, we need to tell them how to be washed in the blood and the clean feeling it has.

        • WishIWuzACropDuster

          There must be an attitude of repentance and contrition from those who are wilfully living in sin and shaking their collective fist in the face of Almighty God. There is no such repentant, contrite attitude. We can and should pray for these lost souls. We should never back down from putting the evil and sinful nature of their actions in their face at every turn.

          Eze 33:8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
          Eze 33:9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

    • That’s only half the curse. Revelation 22:18 reads: “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of this prophecy of this book, if any man shall and unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:”

    • Amen. Right on !

    • WishIWuzACropDuster

      Amen!!

    • Rewriting the Word of God is just another nail in the coffin of our soon to be destroyed country.

    • And thou shall send these perverts to their own island where they may enjoy their RISKY BEHAVIOR, AND NOT PUT “NORMAL POPULATION AT RISK.”

  12. OldHighlandGuyOne

    See the movie, “1984”. After seeing that you will understand where this world is going. I’m actually happy that I am old and will be gone soon, I won’t have to watch this once great country go right down the toilet.

    • agree..It just worries me that my sweet grandchildren are having to grow up in this sick., immoral, and evil world..pray that Jesus comes back soon..I know that it cannot be much longer, b/c God will not continue to be mocked..

  13. ARNOLD CARL TAPP

    >>> THESE IGNORANT , MISGUIDED , IRREVERENT FOOLS HAVE NO POWER TO CHANGE ONE WORD OF GOD ‘ S HOLY WORD . THE SCRIPTURES ARE INFALLIBLE AND PERFECT FOR ALL HUMANS ( WHICH INCLUDES QUEERS ) . THE HOLY BIBLE IS THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD ( WHO CREATED THE WHOLE EARTH ) , AND HIS LAWS ARE CARVED DEEP IN GRANITE , UNCHANGEABLE AND UNDENIABLE , THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE THESE VIOLATORS . THE LAST VERSES OF REVELATION TELL US IN HIS WORDS :
    ” I WARN EVERYONE WHO HEAR THE WORDS OF THE PROPHESY OF THIS BOOK : IF ANTONE ADDS ANYTHING TO THEM , GOD WILL ADD TO HIM THE PLAGUES DESCRIBED IN THIS BOOK . AND IF ANYONE TAKES WORDS AWAY FROM THIS BOOK OF PROPHESY , GOD WILL TAKE AWAY FROM HIM HIS SHARE IN THE TREE OF LIFE AND IN THE HOLY CITY .” ALL FOOLS PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK . <<<

  14. These people have not read the Bible or they would know that there is a warning that whosoever tries to change one iota of this Bible is in danger. That comes from Almighty God. meh

  15. Really! Sick!!! Now they want to be god! Sinners.

  16. in the Christian bible —what happened to the sodomites, they were destroyed by a rain of fire an brimstone,which is burning sulphur. genesis 19:24 an luke17:29 read an understand.

  17. their’s no such thing as a gay christian …GOD has made that clear as day himself…and they can rewrite the bible all they want it won’t get them anywhere near heaven …and if they believed in GOD they would no that you can’t add or take away from the word of GOD …i think he new people would try to change it to suit there self one day …but it won’t change the fact that there’s only place there going and thats hell plain and simple

    • We can’t say that a gay is not a Christian if they at one time believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and then turn against God’s will for their life. Once saved, always saved. Anything an unbeliever can do so can a Christian — we still have the sin nature we are born with. We either follow His will after salvation or we lose the blessings God has for us on earth and rewards in heaven. They are no different than people living in adultery or fornicate or murder or cheat or steal — the difference is that the lifestyle of the homosexual has a “due penalty” that they will suffer until they either give up the lifestyle or die. Christ did everything for salvation and there is nothing we can do to get out of salvation once we have believed in Him for salvation. Many may say they are Christian and may not have believed in Him but only went through an emotional or “works” type ritual that is not salvation.
      Romans 1:26-27 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the DUE PENALTY of their error.

      • Those people were never TRUE believers in the first place.

        • That is what I said. Only those who have believed in the Lord Jesus Christ as their savior by faith alone are Christians and they can’t lose that union with Christ.

  18. Just one more nail in the coffin lid for the late great United States. RIP USA 1776-1963

  19. ARNOLD CARL TAPP

    >>> ANY FOOL CAN DO ANYTHING HE CHOOSES , AND CREATE FLIMSY REASONS AND EXCUSES FOR DOING SO . IF SOMEONE SAYS HE CAN MURDER , DESTROY , STEAL , SLANDER , RAPE AND OTHER SUCH CRIMES AGAINST HUMANS , HE WILL BE APPREHENDED AND PUNISHED BY IMPRISONMENT OR DEATH . IF HE COMMITS VIOLATIONS , CRIMES , THEFT , RAPE , BLASPHEMY AND OTHER VIOLATIONS AGAINST GOD , HE CAN BE UTTERLY DESTROYED BY THE HORRIBLE DEATH ORDAINED BY OUR CREATOR . <<<
    MAN CAN MAKE ALL THE EXCUSES AND CLAIMS HE DOES NOT BELIEVE THE LAWS OF GOD OF MAN , BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT SO . <<>> ATTENTION <> ALERT <> ALARM <> WARNING <> BEWARE <<>> BY THE WAY <<< SECULAR HISTORY CONFIRMS THE TRUTH OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH . <<<

    • They suffer under a “due penalty” —
      Romans 1:26-27 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the DUE PENALTY of their error.

  20. We’ll all be sorry some day if we allow the word and laws God Almight to be changed to suit the needs of some. This country already screwed up big time taking pray out of school. Can be afford to be so stupid as to mess with God’s words?

  21. Who’s the publisher of this abominable gay Bible? We should boycott it.

  22. ARNOLD CARL TAPP

    >>> WATCH OUT FOR THE LIGHTNING <<<

  23. “The last great famine will be a famine for the lack of the Word of God.”

  24. Vicki Kuner Mattingly

    this is a total joke. anybody that buys into this is so lost. very sad

  25. Just another attempt to justify sin, or to make money, either way the scriptires are settled in heaven, they are preseved by God, no feakshow will ever change that.

  26. YOU TWISTED GAYS, will never CHANGE RIGHT FROM WRONG..GODs word is forever. And a SIN IS A SIN !! You can write that in your new book ! SHAME IS UPON YOU.! Out here in the open,people have less respect for you now, MORE than ever before. Go back into your closets, and hide your “SINs”..YOU have PUSHED us TOO FAR. !

  27. The change referenced in this email. Means nothing. Molech, simply means king. So, what is the purpose of this change? It says absolutely nothing. Who ever came up with this idea needs to read Revelations 22:19. After reading this verse, immediately throw your queen James version away. OR ELSE

  28. this is what the whacked out shiftless left does… it rewrites everything to their own liking. However, it’s not history or truth! The gays have built their houses upon shifting sand… and when the wind blows they will be gone with the wind!

  29. The sodomite’s can try whatever the will but until they change their sinful ways and seek the Lord before they take their final breath, they will be doom to the lake of fire.

    For this reason God gave them up to vile
    passions. For even their women exchanged
    the natural use for what is against nature.
    Likewise also the men leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in
    their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and
    receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge
    God, God gave them up to debased mind to do what ought not to be done. Romans 1: 26-28

  30. “Behold I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Blessed are those who wash their robes, so they may gave the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates. Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and
    practices falsehood. I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright and morning star. The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let
    the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price. I warn everyone who hears
    the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. He who testifies to these things says,
    “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! The grace of the Lord Jesus be will all!
    Amen. Revelation 22: 12-21

  31. Is this like trying to get to Heaven through the back door ! (no pun intended )

  32. So it turns out there has been a Queens bible version SINCE 2012, FOOLS

    didn’t get much mention then did it cons?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Queen+James+Version&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    BUT NOW, it’s useful to promote more HATRED and DIVISION.
    cons lead about by the nose and loving every minute of it.
    (cause they short a loaf)

  33. Michael Dennewitz

    And mainstream America just sits back in their rockers and allows this God fearing country to fall apart, piece by piece. And trust me, as Adastra said, God’s going to deal with those who change his word to suit themselves, especially all the little QUEERS N LEZZIES of the world!!

  34. Since they have attempted to Change the Word of God they have in effect proven that they follow a different God than the one of the Jews and Christians. Thus they should not appeal to Christian or Jewish Clergy to solemnize their “Weddings.”

  35. I wonder if the “pedifiles” will re-wright the Bible to fit their beliefs. I think they will be the next group complaining about their rights. One more example how this country is in the tank.

    • they already have..Indiana Bob..just recently the pedophiles were trying to get it changed so that what they were doing was not a crime or wrong..they were using the same argument that the homosexuals are using..that what they were doing was a sexual orientation..there was actually a misprint or misquote in the American Psychiatrists Manual that they were using to make their claim..but my understanding was that the APA were changing the misquote in the manual..

      • where do you crazies get this shit?

        oh, it was MY understanding. oh well then it must be true.
        I could be a bias and not very bright right wing wacko with no concept of reality but, TRUST ME, i think this time I might be right.

        No Karen YOUR NOT.

        having sex with a a minor is not likely to be made legal any time soon.

        thinking IT IS, is just a testament to your need for mental evaluation.
        or that you really need to evaluate who you listen to.

      • .wnd.com/2012/07/has-the-normalizing-of-pedophilia-begun/..

    • .wnd.com/2012/07/has-the-normalizing-of-pedophilia-begun/.

    • .wnd.com/2012/07/has-the-normalizing-of-pedophilia-begun/

  36. Question ; So if I rewrite a book and claim the world is flat and the sky is green and Liberals have brains , does this mean it’s true ? Answer ; Yes , but only to those who can’t think or face reality on their own …..

  37. How long will GOD tolerate this blaspheming mockery …. ?

  38. I think it’s time to get rid of these damn judges. What else do these judges think they can do now?

  39. False profits–be ware of the wolves in sheep’s clothing–

  40. Certainly not inspired by God.

  41. Their judgement is coming. God word says:

    Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

    No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.

    7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

    8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.

    9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.

    10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.

    11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.

    12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.

    13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.

    14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.

    15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.

    16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.

    17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.

    18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.

    19 “‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.

    20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.

    21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.

    22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

    23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

  42. God said what He meant and meant what He said. It won’t matter who changes it, it doesn’t change the facts just as sex change doesn’t change ones DNA. It is what it is. Many attempts are made to sooth the consciences of sinful persons by passing laws and new Bible versions but the Lord will judge by His Word, not someone else’s no matter who would be deceived by another version or what the wisdom of man makes “legal.”

  43. They will have their reward.
    Deut. 4:2-3. (3) “…For YHWH your God destroyed from among you all the men who followed Ba’al Pe’or.”
    See what happened to those who followed Ba’al Pe’or in Num. 25:1-15.
    (Ba’al Pe’or: the deity worshiped at Peor with probable licentious rites.)

  44. They succeeded alright. Succeeded in perverting the Word of the Lord.

  45. You can re-write anything. People are re-writing history, banning flags, burning books, digging up dead folks and moving them, yet the truth will remain.

  46. You can rewrite the Bible anyway you want and with whatever words you want to suit your fancy! The TRUE Bilble says it differently! You can explain to GOD why you are smarter than the Deciples of Jesus Christ! As for me? I’ll just go on believing the King James version and be welcomed by GOD when the time comes!

  47. Rebellions against the Word of God is not new. It’s just another legalistic attack on our Creator, His Son our Lord and Savior, and the Holy Spirit. Those attacks failed then; they’ll fail again. God’s Word IS Final…not man’s.

  48. The cherry picking of inconvenient Bible verses is as old as the snake/Satan saying to Adam and Eve , “Did God really say?” The big problem now is that the political media complex will promote this because, as O and Hil have both said, Christians need to change with the times.

    • “political media complex will promote this”

      Got news for you, the country doesn’t give a flying fuuck about the bible and if gay want to rewrite their version. besides THEY DID THIS 3 YEARS AGO.
      it’s only convenient for right wing propaganda to put it out now.

      go write your own version like Jefferson did.
      If he can, so can gay folk.

  49. EVEN IF, they rewrote the book of fables, HOW would that make the version YOU READ any different?

    is your faith so shallow?

    so what if someone draws evil markings on a bible, is that going to make the world end?

    no
    it’s a friggin book.
    paper and ink.
    PERIOD.

    it only has meaning if YOU give it that power.

    ARE cons weak minded?

  50. As you might hear it said somewhere in New York City…”I got your fealty right here! Why don’t you come and get it?” Sorry gay/lesbian/trannies, it’s not about you anymore. YOU WILL NOT DICTATE HOW ONE IS TO WORSHIP ACCORDING TO CONSCIENCE AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPIRIT AND TRUTH!!! It’s fair to say you will likely bring down a physical war upon yourselves where physical survival will be your main concern, as opposed to getting orders processed for “gayly-decorated” wedding cakes. Your desecration of the Word of God is on your own heads.

    • EVEN IF, they rewrote the book of fables, HOW would that make the version YOU READ any different?

      is your faith so shallow?

      • If it is a book of fables, why not just write your own? Instead of rewriting a book of lies you can write an entire book of your own lies. You certainly have enough to fill a book.

      • So Reality Check, I see you are completely unfamiliar with the Bible, as in fact many people are. But your consciousness has now been made aware of the controversy and its time for you to make a responsible decision with regard to your own life. What you just wrote is ridiculous and based upon ignorance. I hope you will at least begin to look into the Bible seriously and honestly to make a better judgment. Why don’t you start with Lee Strobel’s “The Case for Christ” and make an honest judgment before the Judgment comes.

        • Well Paul, you seem completely unfamiliar with reality.

          Has the Bible ever been rewritten? YES

          Do the faithful still follow the Bible even though it’s been rewritten? YES

          Did Thomas Jefferson rewrite the Bible? YES
          Is Jefferson revered as one of the greatest minds of our time?

          Is there any evidence that the Bible is the word of God? NO

          The Bible is NOT the word of God.

          There is no God, at least the way you silly Christians believe.

          If you’d like to discuss some “evidence” you have that proves The Bible Is the Word of God, let’s hear it.

          Fortunately for me we live in a secular country.

          Let’s discuss your evidence, if you have any

          • Reality Check your response is that of an unread buffoon. Read the book I prescribed and then we’ll talk. Your litany of nonsense would be humorous if it wasn’t looking like the patchwork quilt of an unstudied ignoramus. No publication of a Jefferson “translation”, though it would probably be esteemed highly in Unitarian Universalist circles, could ever be taken seriously today by serious Christian scholars and is in fact not one of the “copies” sold in religious bookstores today! The Dead Sea Scrolls certainly show your allegations with regard to the Tenakh as ridiculous as well as false. With regard to the New Testament you might be interested to learn (but I doubt it with your apparent close-mindedness), that with the exception of probably only 3 lines, it could be reconstructed simply by the quotes of it found in the letters of the early Church fathers! In addition to the preservation of the original text in at least both Greek and Latin from early on, it remains the most historically reliable book of all books pertaining to a study of the deviation from original translation. But of course you missed that too. The meaning of the original manuscripts of the entire Bible is NOT in doubt and never has been. There are even more higher level studies to which you also seem clueless, that do in fact bear evidential testimony as to the Divine Fingerprint.

            If you have chosen to live your life according to the lusts of your flesh, that certainly is your decision. The Lord understands that weakness well for it is in ALL of humanity. That is why He went to the Cross, to pay the punishment for those who will believe in His Name and in His Mission. There is NO other way to become reconciled to God or to go to Heaven without Jesus Christ. Don’t think that your word-smithing and lines drawn in the sand somehow exempt you from being accountable for avoiding sin. I assure you that you and every one else will come under Judgment, and urge you to consider Christ Jesus who is actually trying to reach you today. He loves you and has paid for your sin already if you put your faith in Him and the Gospel. And I assure you that if you do an honest and exhaustive study of the Bible and its history, you will find it both reliable and with a Divine Fingerprint abundantly evident. As a challenge, don’t forget to ask Him for His guidance before you begin your investigation. God Bless you.

  51. They are not first to attempt to rewrite the Bible to suit their own selfish interest…expect not the last. One day will come they can explain that to the one who thinks differently, and judges all of us.

    One says he is a Gay Christian? How can that be!…..believe that is an attempt to mix oil and water.

    • There are millions of gay Christians.
      YOU don’t have the right to decide who can be a Christian and who is not.

      kind of goes against the whole Freedom of religion thing the constitution speaks of and cons love to hug.
      perhaps a less hypocritical position is in order.

  52. Just more idiots that think changing the words will make people feel better. NOT, like this foul government wanting to change the words in our law to suit them the same with the changing of the Constitution, the new writing is BS so tell it like it is truthfully. That is one thing the Federal Government can’t do nor the squatter in the oval office and the white (black muslim) house.

  53. Since the definition ha changed to confuse the population. My group is now pushing for a new title. The title means man and woman only. Thus, I will no longer be asked when hanging out with a male friend if he is my spouse! Again another fight. But being defined we will no longer be wronged! We are fighting for hetrosexual coupling as Enlightened Joining. Want it to be religious… Holy Enlightened Joining! Marriage is now fully gay. Now we fight for our own title and have definition that will not start fights in the bars!

    • “Since the definition ha changed to confuse the population”

      the only ones who are confused, silly, are the religious nuts.
      Such a group of Drama Queens.

      “Marriage is now fully gay”

      just listen to yourself
      a HUGE number of marriages are done as civil ceremonies.

      get off your high religious horse and join the normal folk here in America.

      • Practice what you preach, RC. Straight and normal are synonymous.

      • So. Marriage means anything! Thus anything goes! Sweet! I can get several women! No issues! After all it is between us and them! Thank you for allowing me many female brides! The courts can go to hell And refuse me! I’ll do what the queer community did! Sue the government! Thanks for helping!

  54. two bibles the1611 and the 1617

  55. If a Church teaches other than what the Bible Teaches it can not be Christian as it is teaching falshoods.

    • why exactly do you “Christians” get to dictate to others about HOW they should be Christians.

      what does the bible say about Judging others?

      seems like you are a big time sinner.

      • We don’t. The Bible does. What does the Bible say about judging others? Why should you care? You don’t believe that “book of fables,” do you?” Judging is one thing. Inspecting fruit is another. By their fruit you shall know them. (Matthew 7:20)

      • I’m not telling Anyone Anything God is.The Bible is clear on this subject and to teach any other thing is a big Sin.
        The Bible calls Homosexuality a Abomination and Who am I to disagree with God as He has already judged.

  56. IF YOU ARE A TRUE CHRISTIAN, I CAN’T BELEIVE YOU HAVE LET SATAN BRAIN WASH YOU TO EXCEPT AN INTERPERTATION OF GOD’;S HOLY WORD. THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE SCRIPTURE TELLING A PERSON TO NOT CHANGE ANY WORD OR DOTS OR DITTLES, THAT MEANS PERIODS AND COMMAS.
    PLEASE DON’T CALL ME JUDGEMENTAL, I’M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A WARNING ON WHAT GOD SAID. BE WARNED GOD WILL NOT LET THIS GO UNNOTICED.
    I HAVE NO PROBLEM READING OR INTERPERTING MY 1611 BIBLE.
    YES MAN WROTE THE WORDS ON PARCHMENT AS THEY WERE INSPIRED BY GOD THE FATHER.
    PLEASE IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY,
    ASK GOD TO FORGIVE YOU OF BEING BORN A SINNER AND TO COME INTO YOUR HEART AND BE YOUR SAVIOR.
    IF YOU DO THIS WITH ALL YOUR HEART, YOU WILL DEFINITALLY KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR LIFE
    AND WHAT YOU BELEIVE.
    GOOD NIGHT.

    • you silly people are definitely good for a laugh.
      on the other hand, this obsession with religious fantasies is a little scary.

  57. Even so, Lord Jesus, come soon. Lord, though, while we are here left on this Earth that You created for us, help us to be courageous and stand firm in the beauty, grace & redemption of Your Word. Help us to PRAY for these people that they could read Your Word with opened eyes even through all the evil that is swirling around them at this time. Remind us to be praying for each leader, each pastor, yes, even our President & SCOTUS. Lord God, forgive me for not remembering these people in my prayers.

    • such Drama.

      we started killing babies over 40 years ago and god hasn’t come to punish us for that.
      AND that is in the 10 commandments.

      gay does not even rate a commandment.
      just a phrase in passing in a thousand page book of fables.

  58. Just like any judgmental libtard, come up with summation towards others, without justification or strong evidence.

  59. Such a group of whiners.

    First off, this was published SEVERAL YEARS AGO. and the world didn’t end.
    the US is still a country, blood didn’t fall from the sky, and Armageddon didn’t start.

    But since you cons are void of information or critical thinking skills you think it was JUST PUBLISHED.

    UNFORTUNATELY for you cons, it HAPPENED 3 YEARS AGO

    and we are still here. God didn’t give a crap.

    http://www.gotquestions.org/Queen-James-Bible.html

    • Sorry RC, God’s prophecy are manifested in His time, not yours.

      • wow, you are a good little con drone aren’t you.
        you carry water for this lying website.

        here they are pretending this is because of gay marriage ruling when in fact it happened 3 years ago.

        A LIE which you condone AND pretend to be a person of GOD.

        no hypocrisy there Aubrey.
        does God love hypocrisy?

  60. Realitycheck. Those so-called Christian Churches have no standing with God. There is a whole list of people that HE says we are to cast out of the Body (Church). He says we have to associate with them in the world (work, public places etc.) but NOT in church. So as long as they live the LGBT lifestyle, they are not welcome in Gods’ house. HIS rules, not mine

  61. It’s too bad these folks have been able to get this far. I just don’t see what is so wonderful about sodomy or so “normal”. It’s a disgusting performance to even think about. Our world condemned it a few years ago, as it was intended to. Now, we’ve been overwhelmed – not by actual gays – but by idiots who actually BELIEVE gay behavior is “NORMAL”. Shame and judgment will be upon all of them soon; nobody knows when, but it IS a certainty. My Bible – the ONLY Bible – says so!

  62. Those folks going to burn in hell you cannot change gods word he is going to punish them severely praise the lord I pray for them God will deal with them but all true Christian stand up for gods word against these evil people we will have the victory

  63. THEY already stuck the middle finger to God, why not poke a stick in His eye?

    Well my fiend keep pushing your amazing luck so far. But don’t EVER stand near me!!

  64. The Bible is the word of God and nobody but God can rewrite it. I think you people lose your brains while doing sodomy and for the woman the smell messes up your brains. Why don’t all of you go back into your closets and practice you sex in there so the rest of us don’t throw up.

  65. All I have to say is, if you mess with GOD and HIS word you WILL pay for eternity. His WRATH WILL come down on you. YOU CAN COUNT ON IT. These ARROGANT DEMONS will see no mercy. Remember, GOD HATES EVIL. This is EVIL beyond any sin that has been done in history. This distortion is ment to lead people down the path to SATAN’S HELL. Satan himself controls these DEMONS. Pray that GOD protects us who believe in HIS WORD.

    • but we can kill babies for what 40 years or more and God has not made an appearance.

      and murder is even in the 10 commandments.

      gay is barely a paragraph among millions.
      BUT NOW he Coming.

      such delusion and we let you fools vote.
      if there was a God , he would put a stop to YOU.

      • God’s appearance manifests in different forms, i.e. a video of Planned Parenthood leader eating salad and talking about selling baby parts. There is hope for you. You consider abortion of a baby’s life murder even though the Bible forbids it in its fables.

        • the FAKE video about PP.

          do some friggin research.
          you are such a gullible human.

          was being the gullible fool your goal in life?

      • There you go again, trying to twist things to fit YOUR worldview. Who said anything about NOW He is coming? God’s got a little more going for Him than you do, but you feel you are above everything. Talk about delusion … you truly are a Legend in Your Own Mind and, if you don’t believe me, just ask you!

        From the “book of Fables”:

        This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

        That is from 2 Timothy 3: 1-7. Pretty much describes you my friend. Especially the last verse. So “smart”, yet so foolish.

      • Americans Wake Up

        I don’t see where anyone said He is coming. In fact no one knows when He will return. Mark 13:32 says “But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.” Anyone who says that they know when He is coming is wrong but to correct to say He will come. But we also know that judgment will come on this world for shaking our fists at God. And that is a certainty as much as His return is imminent.

      • Americans Wake Up

        Proverbs 18:2 is all I can say to you.

  66. Reality Check, I only confirmed that they have a different Bible and as Christians we believe the Bible to be Written by God’s Appointed scribes. If their Bible is different that is okay by me they can start a new religion just like Mohammed did, and Joseph Smith did tell me what about that is “Holier than thou”? You must not be very well educated if you attack me for agreeing that they have the right to their own Bible and their own religion! It is different from mine but I do not judge them, nor would I ask of them to support my religious beliefs nor to participate in a religious rite they do not believe in! I am open minded it is you that is a Bigot!

  67. We already know how the story ends, and gays making their own Bible doesn’t change the facts. I do not judge them and can even understand how they feel because this is just the way I am. BUT the facts are still the facts and being gay is not natural. They can have their gay pride parades and laugh over how clever they are to write themselves a Bible. And everybody dance in the streets that the courts are allowing them to be married. None of this makes it right. None of it is going to change that one day they will have to stand before a higher court and be told by God why it is wrong and be given a choice to remain how they are or to be how God made men and women to be. I have pointed this out a few times, but even their symbol of the Rainbow is not theirs. God gave it to the people of Earth as a promise to never again destroy the world with a flood. The rainbow is God’s as they are God’s, and God the creator of all does not make mistakes. Mankind is so easy to give in to the baser feelings of pleasure. There are doctors who explained why the gay is attracted to the same sex, and they make sense but the gays didn’t want to fix themselves. They want to give in to what makes them happy and it is hard to work on one’s self as being in the wrong. It is easier to listen to the medical people who said, “No. Give in and be who you are be proud to be different There is nothing wrong with you. Stop listening to those others who want to ‘fix’ you and help you have a good life. Listen to me. I will make you feel good about yourself not ashamed. Enjoy.” Those people are agents of Satan who wants to unbalance all that God has made. Gays want love too. Satan uses them and their needs. We should be praying for them. It is a very sad thing.

  68. It is God they will account to and God’s wrath will be great.

  69. I think Romans 1:26-32 and the 32 verse sums up the whole thing. Condoning this is worthy of death!! So they have been judged already.

  70. Gay Bible? BS, the only thing gay’s believe in is their next “target”.

  71. Adastra 62 you beat me to the quote. I find it interesting that in this book gay is referred to in modern versions as effimanate and they want to call their version Queen James. They in chapter 21:8 effimanate will, “ have
    their part in the lake of fire which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” The first death is heaven bound.
    God says why will you die, turn and live for I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Salvation is free my friends.

  72. WishIWuzACropDuster

    How much more of their blasphemous behavior are we Christians going to endure before we get the backbone to stand up and be heard loud and clear? This small group of perverted deviants got the highest court in the land to legislate from the bench and change the definition of marriage to include sodomites. Now these sodomites have taken it upon themselves to change the wording of God’s breathed-out (inspired) Word. How outrageous are we going to let their demands and behaviors get before we start being heard for the majority we are? Are we that cowardly that we won’t stand on “Thus saith the Lord”? If so, we need to re-evaluate our faith and our commitment thereto. Shame on us for letting it get to this point!

  73. Americans Wake Up

    They need to read Revelations 22:18-19.

    • WishIWuzACropDuster

      Amen!! They need to read the following:

      Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

      Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

  74. WishIWuzACropDuster

    Remember
    when the LGBT lobby promised that they had no interest in attacking
    Christian beliefs? Remember when they swore that they merely wanted
    equal rights? Yeah, those were lies if you haven’t figured it out by
    now. They didn’t – and don’t – want tolerance. They want fealty.

    They want preferential rights over anyone else’s. Now put this in context with what that bull-dyke mayor in Houston did by supboenaing the ministers who organized a petition drive against the city ordinance that allows cross-dressers to use whatever bathroom they wish. Tell me all they want is equality. I say bull-pucky!!!!

  75. One word: Blasphemy! God WILL strike those that committed this sin down to the fires of Hell!

  76. Rewriting the Word of God in the fashion that has been done is not allowed living in America under the Constitution of the United States. If these gay balls would read the Constitution they would know that We the People ….the Government live Our
    Rights and Freedoms under the True and Living God and will not accept it under any other form of religion or religious beliefs. The constitution was written for everyone too that entered this Country for Citizenship to do so as We live and it allows them to serve in any denomination that has the True and Living God above it
    and We will no longer accept made up man religion that believes that their manly sinner is their god and should be the god os the rest of Us! Americans jump up, turn the computer and televisions off and “choose this day whom you will server”…Man
    or the True and Living God!

  77. Probably the gays are going to keep on until someone starts an outright war on them! They need to realize that everyone is not as tolerant as the Christians in this
    here America! Christians give everyone a point of space to become Christians in America and we have been too tolerant with the threats and lawlessness of sodomy
    like the boys sodomized in Louisian and killed. No More…..!

  78. Liberals ruin EVERYTHING

    I was walking past someone’s radio the other day, and I heard I guy on the radio talking about “churches need to change their views on homosexuality, and that they will, eventually, ‘bow to public opinion'”.

    At first I thought, what nonsense! Churches are not to “bow to public opinion”, the are to bow to the will of God.

    And then I thought, some churches are indeed “bowing to public opinion” in this matter. For example, the Lutherans allow non-celibate homosexuals to be ministers; Presbyterians perform same-sex marriages.

    Are these the lukewarm Christians that are condemned in the Book of Revelation?

    • WishIWuzACropDuster

      You bet your bottom dollar they are NOT Christians. True Christians NEVER bend to public opinion or political correctness!!! True Christians take God at His word. Homosexuality is sin!! Who is any mere man to reverse that divinely pronounced judgment and prohibition?

      • So is getting divorced but we see that happening all the time.
        I never see any conservatives screaming from the rooftops about the evil humans getting divorced. I will bet that you have divorced friends that you associate with, have dinner with, hang out with, you are one hell of a sinner
        Why is that conservative?

        • WishIWuzACropDuster

          Divorce for any other reason than ADULTERY is just as much a sin. Matthew 19:9. Conservatives should be yelling about this too because the disintegration of the moral fabric of the family is at the root of a great deal of our societal problems. As the family goes, so goes the nation.

  79. GAY BIBLE…. an affront to every citizen!!! These sorry excuses for human beings feel the need to justify themselves so they attack the Bible????? The word
    s in the Bible DO NOT CHANGE TO MAKE YOU HAPPY!!! If you NEED to do this….. then you KNOW you are wrong…. wrong…….. wrong!!!

  80. Barbara Boulris

    you need to stop the argument with each other and lets take it to a higher power you know with everything our govt is doing will come with a severe judgement from christ keep your own hearts clean and pray for this nation

  81. The BIBLE has been the same for many years and the changes made to it are an abomination itself. In the end THESE FRUIT CAKES WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO A HIGHER POWER (then, a lower power.)

  82. Outrageous! What credibility will this so-called “Bible” have. Social issues in this Country changing everything “human” and “sane”. Yesterday I heard on the news how this Dr. was going in to detail about “harvesting” body parts from babies they were aborting. What has happened to our soul??? Just unbelievable we would ever deteriorate to this.

    • Lots of body parts are used for science. That’s how we do research. That’s how we advance science.
      No big shock unless you live in a cave.
      Benjamin Franklin cut up dead bodies for research.

  83. thats ok …that won’t get them to hell any quicker than being gay or a tranny which is to me is the samething… but thats were they’re headed all the way sooner or later they’ll make it thats a fact

  84. Dear reality check, I would rather live my life believing in God, and in the end find out I had wasted my life, Than to live my life like there is no God, and in the end, find out that I have wasted my eternity. So, to each his own. See you at the judgement seat

    • So Joyce, you couldn’t find one of my posts?
      Or you just didn’t want me to see the post?
      See you at judgment day.

  85. Has anyone stopped to think (or do they know) that the KJV bible is copyrighted? Yes, it IS! By the British Crown! It really is!

  86. These fools have absolutely no idea of what is coming! Everything that is in God’s word is abhorrent to them, and in their arrogance they feel they are above God Almighty! You can almost hear the weeping and gnashing of teeth as they receive their divine punishment! Oh yeah. . . God doesn’t feel constrained by human “political correctness”! He is all powerful and absolutely just, whereas “political correctness” wants to erase God’s divine law. Adastra62 nailed it with Revelation 22:19. There are many other passages that speak to the judgment that will come to those who hate God!

    • Funny, we made killing babies legal over 40 years ago and God has done nothing about it.
      And killing babies is even in the 10 Commandments.
      Scripture about being gay is a small passage buried in the Bible, rarely read by anyone except religious enthusiasts with no life.

      Yet here you are addicting doom and gloom because the Supreme Court lets gays Marry.
      That’s just silly

  87. Faith is a gift from God. Ask. Sacred Scripture is the inspired word of God. Truth then doesn’t require anyone to believe it to exist infallibly. Even if nobody heard Truth, believes it, it is. God is everywhere for you not the other way around. iow He doesn’t need you, humbly get used to it and enjoy its fruits.:)

  88. Regarding Donald Trump –
    I say three cheers to him for calling out McCain and the GOP. He is very pro-veteran and is way more intent on providing benefits for veterans vs. voting against veterans that both McCain and the GOP congress always do while wrapping themselves in the American Flag.
    The GOP also thought nothing of trashing John Kerry’s military status or Max Cleland’s, and to me a veteran is a veteran no matter what party they represent, the GOP does not think that way.
    Trump is saying it like it is and it is about time.

    • But Trump is trashing McCain.
      Did you miss that part?
      How can he be pro-veteran while trashing a veteran?

      • Just because a person is a veteran does not make them holier than thou, especially one who is a public figure, like McCain. McCain’s record on caring about the veterans is absolutely dismal, and he deserves to be criticized or it. So does the GOP, which only cares for veterans when they are Republicans.

        • I think attacking McCain and his time as a POW is not the same as attacking him for his stance on the VA, which is typically GOP.
          The GOP don’t support the VA.
          would you like some links?

  89. Not only do these people fail to realize homosexuality is a sin, they fail to realize changing the bible wording is just as bad, sins punishable by death.

    • It’s only a sin to the religious enthusiasts.
      I think we live in a free country. A free secular country where religion means nothing.
      Why do Christians think it’s okay to force their viewpoints on the rest of society?

      • Sadly Reality, Your comment is indicative to your mindset. America was founded as a Judeo-Christian Society. One as you stated is a Free Country, It is not and never was intended to be Secular. No one is forcing it upon you, yet you do not have the right to force your abhorrent behavior on others. You will answer, which is sad, for your choice of lifestyle. A marriage is one man and one woman, if this is not reversed which I hope it will, you have opened the floodgates for deviant behavior to recognized as right rather than immoral . I truly do feel sorry for you and others choosing this way of life, I am more so concerned about the correction from God that you will suffer.

        • “America was founded as a Judeo-Christian Society”

          That is something Christians always say when they try to justify their intolerance for the rest of society.
          Founding fathers designed the Constitution to keep the wacky religious nuts under control.

          They knew very well religious enthusiasts like to dominate society. That is why we have freedom of religion and parts of the Constitution protect us from religious tests for the government.

          So how that becomes Christian dominated society is only in the mind of the intolerant Christian enthusiast.

          That is also why the word Christian or Bible is not in the Constitution or the declaration of independence.
          But the words natural Law and God’s Law which are Deist terms, are in the Declaration of Independence.

          • You are as ignorant of Our Founding Fathers and their intentions as the depravity of your choice of lifestyle. Samuel Adams one of our founding fathers said it best, “The Constitution is for a moral and religious nation and none other.

          • Our Founding Fathers were NOT Diests, They were Christians, This nation was started and flourished AS a Christian Nation. As people such as yourself decided this was a “secular” nation the quality of our nation has gone down.

          • that must be why the Supreme Court keeps ruling against Christian intolerance?

            You Christian enthusiasts are just silly and desperate.

            Indeed some of our founding fathers were religious enthusiasts, but many were not.
            Ben Franklin used to hack up bodies in his basement to further medical science, hardly the Christian thing to do.

            AND Jefferson even wrote that we are a religious nation.

            “”The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
            –John Adams

            AND Penny, IF the FF wanted us to be a Christian nation, why did the put THIS in the constitution?

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”

            You conservatives are fighting an uphill battle considering the Constitution is against you, the Supreme Court’s against you, and society is against you.

          • Because they WOULD NOT FORCE ANYONE

          • But YOU would.
            You Christians are constantly trying to get everyone to toe the Christian line.

          • Reality, What have I done to FORCE you to believe the way I do, other than pray for you.

          • What have I done to FORCE you to believe as I do, other than pray for you.

          • This from Thomas Jefferson in an April 11, 1823, letter to John Adams:

            The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme
            Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the
            generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. … But we may hope that
            the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do
            away with all this artificial scaffolding….”

            Does that sound like a devout Christian to you?
            You have to twist yourself around like a pretzel to even begin to think that the US is a Christian nation

          • You have responded with wording with serious credibility issue.

          • The founding fathers were only Christian in the sense of the word, much like we are today.
            Most Christians in the US go to church once or twice a year tops.
            They went to church “for Show” And Pay no attention to religion.

            Only a small handful religious enthusiasts cling to your ancient beliefs.
            the majority take it with PLENTY of salt.

            In all seriousness, what devout Christian says this:

            This from Thomas Jefferson in an April 11, 1823, letter to John Adams:
            The
            day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme
            Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the
            generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. … But we may hope that
            the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do
            away with all this artificial scaffolding….

          • The day will come and very soon, where you will see how wrong and incorrect your position, however heartfelt, is.

        • ” I am more so concerned about the correction from God that you will suffer.”

          We passed a law 40 years ago that let us kill babies on demand.
          But for some reason got decided not to punish us.

          And murder is even in the 10 Commandments.
          Gay on the other hand is only mentioned in one place in the Bible, and doesn’t even rate a mention of the 10 Commandments.

          But for some reason you religious enthusiasts seem to think that gay marriage is gonna make God rain hellfire down on us.

          But based on God taking no action with murdering babies why would you believe gay marriage is going to?
          This is not sound logic, more like religious hysteria.

          • Homosexuality and it’s deviance and punishment is mentioned more than once. People who do not know the Bible, such as yourself, will pick up parts they want to point out yet do not understand. You don’t think God is not punishing this Nation as we speak. You were correct on one point we Kill AND murder tiny human beings daily.

  90. Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

    • And very close to that passage in the Bible speaks of divorced people.
      I assume you shun all divorced people, refuse them service, discriminate against them etc.
      or are you just a hypocrite?

  91. Try as they will, God’s word is forever settled in heaven. Regardless of what the gays try or what the 5 SCOTUS Justices decided will never, NEVER change the TRUTH which is always the way something truly is. You simply cannot change what is unnatural to being natural by mere words on paper. The natural anatomy of a male and female is the only natural design for a natural cohabitation that allows for a natural natural positioning of its practice. The Greeks called the unnatural practice “dog like”.

    • But dude, gays are born naturally that way.
      It’s just hard for the old too grasp things of such complexity.
      Gay animals exist in nature. Humans included.

      And then you quote the Greeks. You are an old fart with 18th century viewpoints.

  92. Some one should sue the “gay” Bible author and the printing company for heresy and spreading propaganda.

    • Except for the whole free speech thing.
      You act like the Bible is a protected book.
      It’s not.
      Jefferson cut up the Bible to make his own version, I never hear conservatives complain about that.
      more right-wing hypocrisy

      • Shouldn’t freedom of speech goes both ways? Wait, wait, may be freedom is for liberals and homosexuals only, that must be it!

        Homosexual Man Sues Bible Publishers Over “Homosexuality Is A Sin” Verses
        http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=33863

        • How is your freedom of speech not going your way?

          cons are always so cryptic.

          and a bunch of whiners.
          Your freedoms haven’t been touched. You People are just silly and expect to be treated like something special.
          Got news for you, you are the same as everyone else.

          • School students are forbidden to say the name Jesus in class, college students are receiving failing grades using Bible references. Companies are using “season’s greeting” instead of Merry Christmas during their money season, some cities remove nativity scene under the threat of lawsuit, seems no one can safely post an disagreement to homosexuality on the net without the fear of losing their jobs……

        • gay folk are the same species, silly.

          • No they are not, they claimed to born that way despite no “homosexual gene” found and they won’t admit to birth defect in Kisspetin switch malfunction.

  93. LGBT are not God’s children , they willingly stand against God and according to Christ they are against God. There will be no mercy for them unless they turn away from this evil.

  94. Cast not your pearls before swine, these reprobates know they are wrong why do you think they are trying to defend themselves. Let them destroy themselves, this they will do. Those that wish life, help…the others lead many to destruction and will not listen.

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