Denial Runs Deep: Writer Claims Delayed Victory for Tim Kaine

Judd Legum, the Editor-in-Chief of ThinkProgress, admits that Tim Kaine appeared to lose the Vice Presidential debate on Tuesday night, so you have to give him credit for having at least one foot grounded in reality. On the other hand, he thinks that when you look at it another way…Kaine actually won the debate after all.

The denial runs deep in LiberalLand.

“As the sun rose, a different narrative of the debate emerged,” Legum writes. “Last night, Kaine conducted a deposition. In a deposition, a lawyer questions a witness outside of the courtroom, but everything is recorded and can be used later on. These aren’t flashy or scripted affairs. A deposition can be repetitive and boring. But over many hours, a skilled lawyer can get what he wants out of a witness.”

See, Kaine didn’t actually lose the debate after all, Legum writes. No, no. Kaine was playing at a much higher level than mere mortals – including Mike Pence – could possibly recognize at the time. He used his lawyerly genius to trap Pence, sacrificing an in-the-moment victory for the greater good.

“What Kaine wanted to accomplish last night was to force Pence to react to some of Trump’s most outrageous statements,” Legum writes. “This was important both to remind people that Trump said those things and to place Pence in the uncomfortable position of having to react.”

Legum says that by getting Pence to deny that Trump “called Mexicans rapists and criminals” and other nonsense, Kaine prosecuted his case to perfection. How does he arrive at that conclusion? Oh, because a few biased sites ran stories following that narrative, including CNN, Slate, and the Washington Post.

“One way to understand Kaine’s approach was that it wasn’t geared toward winning Tuesday night’s debate, but setting up Hillary Clinton to win on Sunday night, the next presidential debate,” Legum says. “In other words, Kaine accomplished exactly what he set out to do.”

Sweet.

In future columns, perhaps Legum can assure us that President Obama intended all along for Syria to become the epicenter for World War III and that Hillary purposely mishandled classified information for the good of the country.

Democrats work in mysterious ways. What’s good appears bad and what’s bad appears good. You just need an enlightened liberal to shew you the truth.

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167 comments

  1. Sounds like so much Bull to me…With all the new medical codes since Obamacare took effect, I wonder how you would label this liberal mental illness.

  2. Perhaps in a future column Legum can say that Hilary intended to lose the election to show the world how misogynistic America is.

  3. The drugs this guy is on, are powerful
    If he does not share..no one else will see the “brilliance”
    [sarcasm full on]

  4. with over 70 interruptions,

    kaine looked like a deranged maniac,
    and looks like the joker from batman

    • We wanted Kaine to interrupt Pence – an abortion guru. Would you like a polygamist rent the WH? Trump is a polygamist – having 3 wives at Trump tower. And you are being duped by him that he is Christian. He is not. Look at his sons – they are not close to him. This is because they were abused by the 2nd and 3rd wives. Trump daughters have bad temper as result being raised by step-mothers. You have to be careful who your president is. Vote for Hillary.

      • You are a bare faced low life lying liberal dem bloodsucker.
        You have no life, have you considered suicide?

      • I’ve seen your comments elsewhere Liberal Troll. Be gone.

      • That’s amazing considering what a wonderful father Bill CLinton was to Chelsea, the daughter of Webb Hubbell. Looking at the beautiful Ivanka, the close relationship all the children have with their step-parents, the Trump children are happy, well balanced and intelligent. Chelsea is a chip off the old Hillary block (ugly, corrupt and a liar just like mommy). The Trump children will do the White House proud. They will restore class, beauty and grace and make America respected again.

    • He absolutely does!

  5. He has to be taking a whole truck load of drugs. Kaine was the one who was out classed in every since of the word. He also acted like a petulant little spoiled brat and I am trying to be nice.

  6. Kaine, a man almost as unlikable as crooked clinton…let us pray they are Never in charge of our government!

    • I cannot believe the right wing media thought Pence won the debate. Do not expect the answer coming from Dick Morris who was fired by the Clintons for bringing prostitutes in his office in the WH. Dick Morris is still bitter with the Clintons for firing him. I watched the debate with open mind and found Kaine won the debate. Kaine said exactly what he was supposed to say. The instant polls were 65% Kaine and 32% Pence the rest undecided. I have told that racists should take Aspirin before November 8 to survive. Did you also see FoxNews whining why Pence was campaigning for himself and not for Trump? That was really a disgrace on Pence. Pence was campaigning for the WH job in 2020. He forgot he was there for Trump. Please join me to vote for Hillary/Kaine ticket on November 8.

      • You have no mind open or otherwise liberal dem bloodsucking parasitical liar, or you wouldn’t be on line sounding like a cretin

      • You can be by yourself and vote for Kaine the joker and Clinton the lying criminal. You liberals get high sniffing God knows what. I see you use the usual lazy liberal code word “racist” to describe anyone who doesn’t agree with your crap. 21++++ trillion dollars in debt and rising with the clown we’ve had for 8 years. Clinton will just double it with her “progressive” give away programs to the un deserving. Pence was calm, cool and collected while Kaine the joker made a complete ass out of himself going back to comments Trump made and then twisted the comments or left important parts out of them. Clinton looks down on everyone else who doesn’t agree with her and will “not” serve this country and it’s citizens fairly. She is a greedy, war mongering, money loving, rapist enabling liar.

        • See how trolls take time and energy and blog space?

        • I did not watch the debate but I heard that Pence nailed it with one simple sentence about Hillary; “You cannot lead the people you loathe”. She has proven over and over her total disrespect for the American people.

        • I feel sorry for the Immigrants. We do not need any more of them. We are already in debt. The Gov . gives them money and then housing, Health, and Education that cost lots of money. It’s taking food off our table, food is and will be much more highter They will take away our JOBS. Dumb Husseine B Obama letting them vote.We can not get any raise in our SS. I could go on and on. We are in one hell of a mess. We don’t need Liars, Hillary, she don’t care about nothing but being first Woman President. Sell us down the river.

      • Francisco Machado

        Presumably by your inability to believe specifically that “right wing media” considers Pence to be the debate winner, you’re having no trouble at all believing left wing media also believes Pence won. Even Legum is telling us that Kaine used the debate neither to support himself nor to promote Hillary but solely to denigrate Trump. He totally failed to support of any of the insupportable Democrat positions. He didn’t even make a credible attempt.

        • Please read what I have just posted. So you morons want Kim K as First lady? Amazing. One article is saying: – “It’s really disappointing that someone we trusted (Kim K) would do this to us?” Do they mean Kim Kardashian and the rest have family values! Give me a break. This would be like voting for Trump for Family values-sake. Right wingers are liking Kim Kardashian with Trump values. Trump is a polygamist – having 3 wives at Trump tower. And you are being duped by him that he is Christian and has family values. He is not. Look at his sons – they are not close to him. This is because they were abused by the 2nd and 3rd wives. Trump daughters have bad tempers as result being raised by step-mothers. You have to be careful who your president is. I do not know about Kim K and her family-values. May be somebody should feed me why Kim K are good examples of Family Values for I do not see that in Trump either.

          • Thank you, I needed the laugh. Got any more?

          • She is a joke a Cheap Hillary whore not to be taken seriously
            TRUMP

          • You don’t see anything because you are a complete Democraptic moron. Do all of us a big favor and STFU!!

          • She’s a Hillary whore!
            trump

          • You do in Hillary?? Really??? Lying Hillary . Corrupt greedy Hillary? Cover up for my husband Hillary ?? Really she is mrs. family values? Quit throwing stones. One voter doesn’t define a canidate . Besides she knows that given a choice Hillary is the worst choice for president since Barrack Illbama. You should crawl back under that same rock Michelle lives under.

          • She’s a Hillary whore not to be taken seriously.
            Trump

          • You are out of your friggin’ mind! Do you actually believe that shit you wrote? If so, than you are insane as Kaine. Look at the guy’s face when he talks, and you’ll see, that he looks even more insane than Jack Nicholson, in the Shining. Kaine said NOTHING, other than to demean Trump, in what sounded like “I know you are, but what am I”. He is an obvious Lunatic, thinly disguised as a human. If you are backing him and the Lying Whore of Benghazi, than you too, should be fitted for a jacket with extremely long sleeves.

          • We all know you are insane. You do understand no one takes you seriously!
            Hillary is incapable incompetent inept and unfit for any public office.
            TRUMP

          • Not a Kim K. Fan. Then again I’m not a Michelle Obama or Bill Clinton fan. Definitely not voting for Hillary. Not enamored with Trump. What’s your point? One of them will be president however. We choose from what our choices are. Trump is not a career establishment politician. Hillary is. People do not want establishment. They don’t represent all the American people. Remember Hillary has already shown her hand. Those not voting for her are deplorable and irredeemable. She had a chance to walk it back but she didn’t .

          • You have absolutely no idea as to what you are talking about. With every LYING statement you have just made you have proved yourself to be a IGNORANT ASSHOLE!! Crawl back under the rock you came from and STFU!!!!!

          • Please go see your therapist and get your facts straight. Do you realize telling lies about someone in a public forum can be considered slander?

        • We all know Pence won and that HillRy is unfit for any public office.

          • I still think she is definitely qualified for the jail house. How pathetic that the Dems would put her up for president ? Shows what slimes they are and how much they disrespect our veterans and the American people. Hillary can not be trusted with any position let alone POTUS. She wasn’t qualified for. Secretary of State.

          • She has been qualified for prison for longer than we will ever know. The damage she has done to the USA is irredeemable . She has given us plenty of reasons to convince us she is not qualified to hold any public office. TRUMP

          • Actually she is a perfect candidate for the HANGMAN’S ROPE!!!

          • This reason why they dropped this tape on Trump 2 days before the next debate, because hitlery LOST the first one and has no intentions of losing the second one, I won’t watch the next one, all she will have is plants in the audience TO HAMMER HIM WITH that will NOT pertain to the issue’s, I don’t give a fat rats a$$ about the tape, those are only words, she however has done so MUCH criminal crap over the course of her entire life that should scare the hell out of ANYONE.

          • Diversion. Trump needs to nail her tonight’s debate no holds barred!
            Trump

          • He won’t be allowed . They will spend the whole time questioning Trump. Benghazi? Private servers? Clinton Foundation? Another left wing controlled debate.Maybe Chris Wallace will actually come after Hillary on those issues which should be front and center to the American electorate . Will he though? Wouldn’t hold your breath on that one. Until the American voter dissallows the lame street media from controlling the narrative things won’t change. Same o same o. Crooked lying establishment politicians. If the voter doesn’t want change than one gets what they ask for . Not just democrats. RINOs are screwing Americans also .

          • Four rape victims of Bill and Hillary will be in the debate hall tonight! The bear goes on and on. Lock her up
            Hillary, Billy, Chelsea are there in the hall as special
            guests.
            Trump

          • Clinton won both debates.
            The first one, by a wider margin than the second.

          • THAT’S YOUR OPINION, YOU HAVE YOUR’S AND I’LL HAVE MINE, SHE BABBLED TRYING TO LISTEN TO THE ANSWERS THREW HER EAR PIECE, SHE SAID SQUAT, SHE MEANS, SQUAT, SHE IS SQUAT, SHE IS SO MUCH VERMIN,TRUMPS NOT A SLICK LYING POLITICIAN, LIKE HITLERLY, YES HE’S A LITTLE ROUGH AROUND THE EDGES, FOR KRIST SAKE SHE’S BEEN AROUND SINCE BC, AND IT KNOWS ALL THE TRICKS OF THE TRADE, THEN SHE MAKES UP SOME OF HER OWN, SHE WINS, IT WILL BE MORE OF OVOMIT AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS AND IF CONGRESS HAS ENOUGH GUTS TO IMPEACH THIS CRAZED SICK OLD HIDE.

          • The polls do show that Clinton won both debates.
            BTW Does your mother know that you talk like that?

          • My momma has passed away

          • Would she have approved of your language on this site?

          • probably not in certain cases but in this case she probably wouldn’t say anything

      • There you go with that “racist s hit. That’s all you bottom feeding liberals can come up with? 65 to 32 were in hell did you come up with them numbers? I guess., that ,we watched a different debate. Lose like a man or what ever and stop wimpering

        • It must be a trans! not to be taken seriously.! A whore for Hillary because they are scared.
          Hilary is incapable incompetent inept and unfit for public office Another reason To Vote
          Trump

        • We are not Wimpering. Kaine was a ass whole, bully. as disgrace. What kind of parents would raise some like that and like you.

          • Kaine is so perfect with Hillary together, They make such a cute couple. She could loan him a few hairs for the top of his head and she could loan him a few muscles. Bosom buddies that can down a few bottles and pop a few pills and get behind a wheel of a bus and drive us Americans straight to hell. TOGETHER.
            Trump

          • Did I miss something? Do I come off as a fan of her thighness?

      • Kaine acted like a raving lunatic. I hope you are being paid well to shill for Hillary and Kaine because why else would you risk humiliation for openly fabricating stories.

        • He is! Can you imagine when killary can’t serve any more because of her Parkinsons this ash whole will be POTUS. VOTE FOR TRUMP/PENCE and America – WE THE PEOPLE WILL BE THE WINNERS. AT THEIR LAST BANQUET HE WAS HONORED BY THE Muslim BROTHERHOOD IN America. Watch out for this one. – he’s a cafeteria Catholic picks and chooses what he wants to believe in the faith he professes he has. This I believe This I don’t……

        • I heard Kaine had ties with the Muslim brotherhood . He kind of had that look

      • Please ignore this idiot. He only pulls his head out of his own butt long enough to troll conservative sites. Then sticks it right back up there. I’m surprised he can stand the smell that must permeate his mom’s basement.

        • Perhaps we should provide them with clear, see through silicone belly buttons so they can see out of when their heads are buried so far up their arses. That’s also why they’re so adamant about climate change, always breathing the noxious fumes while their heads are so deeply implanted!

        • The trans is nuts
          Thanks for the assist!
          Trump

      • pmbalele,
        I wonder how Kaine is going to explain his stance on abortion to the Catholic Church.

        • I heard this Country’s Constitution separates Religion from controlling the government. I am Catholic and I do not believe in abortion. But I am not here to judge, hate or control somebody wishes to her body. Let her and her God decide. I think you’re one of those encouraging Republicans to make this a Sharia law country. Vote for Hillary – She against Sharia law.

          • pmbalele,
            You would be wrong that I in any way oppose the Constitution. Since the medical profession cannot agree on when life begins, technically women are not killing a child. That is their choice. The Constitution states that. While I as a Christian, opposed abortion as going against the will of God, I accept what the Constitution says. I oppose any legislation on that issue. I do agree with what you say. I do not have to answer for any decision that women make.

            What I said was that she and Kaine have to answer to the Catholic Church which does oppose abortion. I would think that Kaine is subject to condemnation for his stance by the church.

      • You are sick. Your values obviously askew. Or hour a troll for Hillary. Ha!

      • What’s this “block user” option???
        Oh, SWEET!!!

      • Your usual drivel, pbalele.

      • What a buffon, trying to defend the indefensible and have no argument to support you claim of
        mental incompetence.

      • NO. No more liars in the WH. Too many negatives for one career. The Clintons MUST go. They are an embarrassment like Pinocchiobama in all ways.

      • Your open mind has got Hilary written all over it. Your mind is only open to the lame street media . You are probably a subscriber to the N.Y. Slimes. Am I right, Mr. leftie?

      • “An open mind?” Hmmmm, if you watched the debate with an “open mind” you must have been suffering from final stage dementia. But then, being a liberal, that would stand to reason.

        • She means her brains kept falling out of her head onto the floor. It’s somewhat rare but incureable disease. Whores get it.

      • What debate were you watching? You must have been the only one watching whatever you were watching!! Or were you drunk and didn’t know what you were watching? The Washington Post, New York Times, and Politico — hardly part of the Donald Trump cheering committee — were brutal on Kaine, whose constant interruptions (70 times, counted pundits) did more to turn off voters than rebut the answers his opponent was offering. Each time the discussion took a substantive turn, Clinton’s running-mate responded with personal criticism of Trump, instead of the policy answers voters were hoping for. “Kaine started the debate talking so quickly and trying to load so many Trump attacks into every answer that it made it virtually impossible to grasp any one attack… When he wasn’t trying to stuff 10 pounds of attack in a five-pound bag in his answers, he was relentlessly interrupting Pence! Eventually even fans of the Democratic ticket said it was getting on their nerves!

        • Kaine tried. Another bottle or two and he would have been top of his game. Maybe a little more weed, he forgot to stop at the golf course and pick some up from the golf cart White housing.
          Trump

      • PM, are you fuckin nuts or just a Democrap?

      • PMbalele: Hen fuzzy no. I will not vote for The Liar Hillary, with the husband Bill, rape guy. Hillary lied, did away with email, she knew were secret, Didn’t help the 4 men in Benghazi from getting killed. She believes in Abortion to me that is Killing. Oh do you know who Danney Williams Is??? Pence is a great Man. He belives in Grace. Thank for reading. This is the way I feel. Trump/Pence.

        • You’re fake. Many Repub women have had abortion in their lives or have used the pill to kill eggs before they develop or mate with male sperms. So essentially you have had abortion yourself. Further Repubs are hypocrites. If poor mothers bring children in the world they are the ones to curse them as irresponsible for having children. That is dumb. Leave women to judge for their bodies. You’re not God to tell them what to do. You would not vote for Trump who treats women as objects or slaves he can play with. Vote for Hillary.

    • Reverse the curse of a Hillary presidency. Trump

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    • Pence was Presidential, Kaine was rude. The choice between those two men is obvious.

    • This the way I think. Kaine, was a bully. If I were his parents, (I understand they were there)He acted like he never be raised right. Not waiting his turn. he tried to rule the lady(host) he was very loud, The way he sat and trying to puff himself up. I don’t know how he every learned anything bet his teacher had a time with his bulliness. To me he acted read bad. Bad to the Bone.

  7. I always said from the first time I saw him…..he is a freak, an idiot, a moron, a liar,, and just as nutty as killary and just as dangerous….with those two encouraging one another it won’t take long to finish us off….what was once the land of freedom and home of the brave will be no more…..SLAM THE IRON DOOR SHUT ON KILDABEAST…..SHE HAS DONE THE CRIME(S) SHE NEEDS TO PAY THE TIME….for those who still support her will be the reason we will be beheaded, burned alive, raped and stoned….think long and hard folks…..our country and we the people are in the hands of all you blind and deaf people and our destiny will be a disgrace to the U.S.A…..I am begging you, this is for us ALL….they will get you too……she isn’t for women, or children or blacks or hispanics and if you really believe she is, YOUR FUTURE WILL BE DOOMED….dont you people know by now she is for herself and herself only…remember she is a liar, a murderer, a TRAITOR AND A MONSTER THAT SHOULD NEVER have her hands in anything involving this country …remember she has hundreds of millions…she and her family are set for life and so are the Obammys, and all crooked politicians….Lets hope there are good politicians who will watch out for us……..??????? she isn’t an American and doesn’t want to be….she loves the muslims (same as Dumbama) and the refugees…she is hoping that they will end us for her…but, what the hell are she and Obammy hoping for by bringing them here….ISIS said they are coming for the WH….so by decreasing our military and giving ISIS all the money and weapons they are already setting themselves up and by damn they will wish they had done things differently, because if they really, truly, feel safe they are mindless puppets, but, hey we already knew that…..

    • Janet Starr, you put that as succinctly as possible. I’m proud to call you a fellow American who can actually see the truth of the matter. It saddens me that so many people won’t or can’t see through the smoke and mirrors that the DEMONCRATS have been using to sway them over to their side. My whole family has fought for my right to be free, not to be given away by the muslim in the Whitehouse or the devils advocate hellery, if they like it so much, they should all pack their bags and go live in syria, iran, pakistan or any place in the middle east that promotes sharia law and islam. That’s what the demoncrat voters are trying to turn our country into by electing hitlery. I feel sorry for all of the young people from newborns to teenagers who have no say in the election, because down the line they’ll be the ones who will have to deal with all the chaos that the demoncrats are trying to shove down Americas throat, it’s not just for 4-8 years, it’s for generations that will be impacted by their choice. In closing all I can say is God Bless America.

  8. … and their sorry, useful idiotic supporters believe this shit – UNBELIEVABLE! There are too many mentally ill useful idiots on the Left and through in the cheating and you have the She-devil, bitch-witch flushing “US” down the toilet! REVOLUTION will be the SOLUTION – guaranteed!

  9. George E. Lefebvre

    Another NUTCASE ON THE LOOSE! Pence was the only man on the podium with any composure and let Kaine make an ass of himself.

  10. Americans Wake Up

    What amazes me is that Hillary said in the past the same things about Mexicans. Said they were super predators- and she should what that is, she is married to one.

  11. Yes, yes, yes and shit actually does smell good.

  12. You can paint a banana with red and green stripes but it will still be a banana. You can do the same with Kaine but he will still be a banana.

  13. Tim Kain was a total bottom feeder and typical Democrat Socialist, when you have nothing to work with,
    no record to talk about you make an ass of yourself and try to drown out the other person with meadow
    muffins and a bombastic attitude. In that he was excellent and showed how weak his running mate is
    and will remain. She is an ultra rich useless wannabe dictator who has no accomplishments much like
    giving that occupier of the Oval Office and Nobel Peace prize and when his onlcy claim at the time was
    he was a mixed race person who had slithered into the Oval Office with no record to run on or any thing
    other than that fact. He has proven to be unworthy of the Peace Prize as he had been continually at
    war with others around the world from day one and insulted ever ally we had in other nations, but this
    is part of the Islamic Mau Mau ass whole that the idiots voted for (Twice) to confirm they are truly ignorant
    and know nothing about the world we live in today.

  14. I am a Virginian. Didn’t vote for Kaine to become governor and wouldn’t vote for him to be anythjng else. He is stomach turning. I can’t stand to watch his idiotic manerisms and stupidity for even a second.

  15. annelouisegelinas

    You must be kidding? An angry barking. Dog whose veins were popping out purposely bullied Pence to prevent him from getting his points across.
    How many Americans are bankrupt or have been bankrupt? His ranting did nothing to comfort them.
    All heads of States all respect each other , shake hands on deals
    Why now. Is Hillary and Kaine denouncing many of those she respected and made deals with.?
    It looks like she never respected many of them and Kaine just proved it.
    Again you must be fooling yourself , Americans are not fooled as easily as you.

    • Maniacal Mike was my congressman and so called ‘Governor’, trust me he had/has no points to make unless they involve bigotry or his fascist agenda .The jackasses of Indiana call him a jackass. He was so far down in the polls when he became Orange Hitler’s 11th choice(even loony Sarah turned him down), he would not have been Gov. again.

      • annelouisegelinas

        Obviously you enjoyed watching a bully snort out all through the debate. Most of did not.

        • I enjoyed that sniffin’ snortin’ debate, Trump was hilarious. I enjoyed watching Maniacal deny words he and the Orange buffoon said on video. It was typical for him.

  16. If it smells as bad as it sounds then it’s pure bs but then I just read dogtrainer1 comment “…liberal mental illness” which is probably correct. Only problem I see is there is no cure.

  17. Amazing! Too bad ignorance (and modern-day liberalism) aren’t painful.

    • It is painful to me, when reading their comments I am saddened to see the mental wasteland that will continue to devastate Americas future. I guess it had to end sometime.

  18. I’m pretty sure ‘think progress’ used to be called ‘the organization for the criminally stupid’ until someone told them that might be a hard sell.

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  21. .
    It took almost three days for Judd Legum, the Editor-in-Chief of ThinkProgress, to dream up this excuse for kaines disastrous performance in the debate. If you wait long enough after a disaster someone will find some good in anything. Just think the BLM looters are thinking that they will have a field day in the aftermath of the storm in Florida. There were pages of tweets of BLM looters that were planning to raid white neighborhoods during and after the storm. I just hope there are enough armed homeowners to fill all the body bags the police have for storm victims My advice to the homeowner just make sure the blood is splattered on the inside of the threshold and either wait for the police to witness it or take photos before you clean it up.

    .

  22. I didn’t see any “lawyerly genius” in Kaine. I saw a guy sent on a mission to be a pest and make a disturbance in what was supposedly to be “a debate.” Had he ever been a top-flight lawyer, he wouldn’t now be running nuisance errands for “Her Undistinguished Majesty, Hillary.” There was one debater present and that was Pence. Kaine belongs drunk in a beer joint somewhere, his beer gut could not be concealed. He made an ass of himself, obviously a condition of his that’s more frequent than not.

  23. Judd, you are as much as an ignorant ash wholer as kaine is. How much did you get to support crooked killary.

  24. A diverse group of evangelical Christians unveiled a letter on Thursday condemning Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and his candidacy, arguing his campaign “affirms racist elements in white culture.”

    The letter, which is signed by nearly 80 prominent evangelical leaders, thinkers, authors, and pastors, decries Trump’s attacks on women, Muslims, immigrants, refugees, and the disabled, saying such vitriol is an affront to the Christian faith. It also highlights how his campaign has energized white nationalists, such as when he was endorsed by leaders of the Ku Klux Klan.

    “We have to make it publicly clear that Mr. Trump’s racial and religious bigotry and treatment of women is morally unacceptable to us as evangelical Christians, as we attempt to model Jesus’ command to ‘love your neighbors as yourself.”

  25. One has to wonder how many joints he smoked before before he came to his conclusion.

  26. Kaine is the most arrogant POS I have ever seen or heard. Pissed me off so bad I turned off debate. Good thing I was not in Pence’s chair cause I would have shut his insane mouth when he kept interrupting

  27. Tyronne Shoelaces

    It’s the communist liberal democrats with their usual lies.

  28. Propaganda, repeating untruths until they are accepted as fact, name calling insulting obnoxious and making an ass of himself. He won alright. Trump

  29. Twilight Zone

  30. tHE SOUND OF kAINE’S VOICE IS IRRITATING.

  31. Really? Does anyone doubt the Main Street media is all in for Hillary. All Pence did was destroy Kaine. He put Kaine down with subtle comments in spite of Kaines continued interruptions . He looked inept and his attacks on Trump fell on deaf ears. Shows the choices Hillary would make as president . More of the same . These people have no conscience . Supporting a canidate who will continue to destroy America. Another narcissist in the White House. A failed first woman president to follow a failed first black president. She will probably be an invalid or dead before her first year would be up. Look at her pathetic backup. A real loser. Health should be a factor but not in Hillarys case. What health problems the lame street media says?

  32. Here is what election day will look like for the libtard morons of the left…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/58991c337fafe30ae42d8443113c08e4724bae1501d1a7516ab0b38bbeffed30.gif

  33. In argument, truth wins with points to whoever was correct at the start. In debate, points go for presentation, responding when challenged and how much audience opinion changed even if the majority opinion was not reversed. In Presidential debate, points go to whoever triggers unpleasant reactions in one’s opponent while not showing any. Truth is irrelevant.

    For instance, in Bush v. Gore, Gore won on the first and second but Bush won the third and that is what mattered.

    Recently, both Ms. Clinton and Mr. Kaine won the first and second but Ms. Clinton and Mr. Pence won the third. It is unlikely that Mr. Trump or Mr. Pence could change the first two but Mr. Trump could improve on the third. Rather than call anyone a fool or a liar, each pundit chose a different standard.

  34. Pence lied with a straight face all through the debat. He is as big a psycho as Drumpf and the horde of Trumpnzees. My question is how does someone like Pence “win” a debate by lying? He did indeed win the 2nd biggest lier contest, the blue ribbon of course going to Trump hisself. 🙂

  35. Killary and Kaine are bottom feeders. What a joke……Monica/Bill might be getting married. Who would want to look at Killary with out regurgitating.

    • Has Orange Hitler quit yet? He has just been uninvited to his own rally tomorrow, Pence/Ryan taking his place. This ” pussy grabbing” thing is just too much. Mr. Trump is a danger to our future. Its time to admit it and do what is in the greatest interest of us all. Is Secretary Clinton perfect, no, but are we? She is experienced, has shown loyalty to serving the public, and is steady; too far right for me but voting for Trump will harm my fellow countrymen. We cannot elect a barbarian, someone who scares the world, he is a sociopath and pathological liar. Regret will be the mood of the nation if we allow uninformed mentally unbalaced angry whiners to do this to us. America doesn’t deserve Trump.

  36. Good Lord>>>>>I’ll bet these people all bet on the losing horse and go to great lengths to make certain which
    one will FOR SURE lose. Give it up Legum, you are cheering for a loser who is working for a loser and they most certainly deserve to lose.

  37. Anything can happen in liberal la la land . Most normal people realize Kaine looked like a buffoon .

  38. Eleanore Whitaker

    Ah yes…Pence lies to the American public. They catch him in several lies and then he is the winner? Of what? The World Class Liars Shit Bowl? Please. Anyone can be an obnoxious, patronizing, verbose jackass. Pence proves that.

  39. thinkprogress is as bad as solon – so not much weight there. and usually people with mental illness buy into those sites.

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  40. Judd Legume is a FLAMING MORON!!! You don’t win a debate when you make a TOTAL ASS of yourself! Kaine is another muslim lover who should be sent to live in one of the muslim countries he loves so much!! AS far as Legume is concerned, he should not be allowed to publish anything as he is as MORONIC as any DEMOCRAPTIC supporter!!

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  41. Billy Bush. Another Billy. Billy Clinton, in the hall tonight with special guests the
    Four rape victims of Billy and Hillary.
    The old senile Bushs must be so proud.
    So glad Bushs financed the third Reich and ADOLPH HITLER, not. Americans, Jews and lots of people lost their life
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  54. Hillery is a liar ,she will never change ,vote trump the man that will bring the country out of the morass Obama and crooked Hillery put us in. COUNT IT

  55. Guess who was giving orders to Hillary on foreign affairs? This was on 2011 when she was Secretary of State, none other than. The same who gave her 7 million for her campaign against Obama. Said she is a Soros puppet.

    Clinton E-mails Show George Soros Gave Sec of State Foreign Policy Marching Orders
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    by RAHEEM KASSAM
    14 Aug 2016
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    A series of message within the September 2015 State Department dump of Hillary Clinton e-mails show the Secretary of State of the United States received direct orders over U.S. foreign policy from none other than Hungarian-American billionaire George Soros.
    Soros – who for years has been suspected of pulling the strings behind Clinton as well as dozens of foreign policy and open borders groups – appears to have sent a message through his “special advisor” Jonas Rolett.

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    Rolett, who is listed as “Special Advisor to the Chair” on Soros’s Open Society Foundations website, sent a message to then-State Department official Richard Verma.

    Mr. Verma duly passed the message along to an e-mail chain including Hillary’s top foreign affairs advisor Jacob Sullivan, her Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Philip Gordon, as well as a recipient “William J” – believed to be William Joseph Burns who was then Deputy Secretary of State.

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    The e-mails, dated January 24 2011, begin with Verma forwarding a message from Rolett with the note: “Below message is from George Soros for the Secretary. Understand his organization was sending through other channels as well”.

    Rolett’s message continues beneath, stating: “Rich, Here’s the text of the message. I’m available to talk at any time. Thanks, Jonas”.

    Then follows what can only be construed as instructions for the Secretary of State from Democratic Party donor Soros, who has so far given her over $7 million this election cycle:

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    Dear Hillary,

    A serious situation has arisen in Albania which needs urgent attention at senior levels of the US government. You may know that an opposition demonstration in Tirana on Friday resulted in the deaths of three people and the destruction of property. There are serious concerns about further unrest connected to a counter-demonstration to be organized by the governing party on Wednesday and a follow-up event by the opposition two days later to memorialize the victims. The prospect of tens of thousands of people entering the streets in an already inflamed political environment bodes ill for the return of public order and the country’s fragile democratic process.

    I believe two things need to be done urgently:

    1. Bring the full weight of the international community to bear on Prime Minister Berisha and opposition leader Edi Rama to forestall further public demonstrations and to tone down public pronouncements.

    2. Appoint a senior European official as a mediator.

    While I am concerned about the rhetoric being used by both sides, I am particularly worried about the actions of the Prime Minister. There is videotape of National Guard members firing on demonstrators from the roof of the Prime Ministry. The Prosecutor (appointed by the Democratic Party) has issued arrest warrants for the individuals in question. The Prime Minister had previously accused the opposition of intentionally murdering these activists as a provocation. After the tape came out deputies from his party accused the Prosecutor of planning a coup d’etat in collaboration with the opposition, a charge Mr. Berisha repeated today. No arrests have been made as of this writing.

    The demonstration resulted from opposition protests over the conduct of parliamentary elections in 2009. The political environment has deteriorated ever since and is now approaching levels of 1997, when similar issues caused the country to slide into anarchy and violence. There are signs that Edi Rama’s control of his own people is slipping, which may lead to further violence.

    The US and the EU must work in complete harmony over this, but given Albania’s European aspirations the EU must take the lead. That is why I suggest appointing a mediator such as Carl Bildt, Martti Ahtisaari or Miroslav Lajcak, all of whom have strong connections to the Balkans.

    My foundation in Tirana is monitoring the situation closely and can provide independent analysis of the crisis.

    Thank you,

    George Soros

    Indeed just days after the message was sent, Mr. Lajcak, named by Mr. Soros in the e-mail, was sent to the Albanian capital in order to attempt to negotiate the situation. At the time Mr Lajcak said it was up to Albania’s leaders “to do what we ask them to do”.

    Mr. Soros is known for using and indeed manipulating major world events for both his ideological and financial interests. He became known in the United Kingdom as the man who “broke the Bank of England” during one of the worst financial episodes in the country’s recent history. On ‘Black Wednesday’, when Britain withdrew from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, Mr. Soros made over $1bn in one day.

    His organisations have also recently been responsible for agitating against the new, populist Polish government, as well as in his home country of Hungary, where President Viktor Orban has repeatedly blamed him for the migrant crisis, claiming his staff are “drawing a living” from the problem.

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    In May, Breitbart London exclusively revealed the words of Tomasz Piotr Poreba – a former Adviser to the Committees on Foreign Affairs and Regional Development in the European Parliament – who said: “Not so long ago relations between the Clintons and billionaire Soros were revealed… Soros supports Clintons and Clinton followed his order. That is no secret.”

    At the same time Mr. Orban declared: “…here, in Central Europe a shadow power exists, which is linked to George Soros, he is one of the most important sponsors of the Democratic Party, so I have to say that although the mouth belongs to Clinton, the voice belongs to George Soros”.

    Mr. Soros recently called for the overturning of the Brexit vote to leave the European Union, and the Wall Street Journal revealed the multi-billionaire, while backing Mrs. Clinton to the tune of millions, is betting against U.S. stocks.

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    Better think seriously who will control her when president .

  56. This article is BS!

  57. Kaine! A BIG ZERO/LOSER LIKE HILLARY!!! but if people don’t see him and that
    LOSER HILLARY FOR WHAT THEY ARE WE ARE DOOMED/DOOMED….the

    Clinton’s have paid big bucks for the CONSPIRACY TO GET RID OF DONALD

    TRUMP JUST LIKE THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST! THERE PAYING EVERYONE
    SO SHE CAN BE PRESIDENT….SHE IS A LIAR/CHEATER/CORRUPT/POS SO
    FOLKS JUST REMEMBER I TOLD YOU SO IF SHE WINS….OPEN BORDERS/NO
    SECOND AMENDMENT/ SHITTY SUPREME COURT JUSTICES AND I CAN GO
    ON & ON WITH THIS CROOKED BITCH!! REMEMBER HOW SMOOTH MUSLIM
    OBAMA WAS WITH DEBATES AND LOOK WHERE WE ARE TODAY….IN THE

    FREAKING MUD/DITCH WITH THIS IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

  58. He came on as a putz in the debate and nothing to be proud of a presidential ticket! Fitting running mate for the wench!

  59. Leave it to a member of the press to try to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat!!!! If it were not so sad it would be laughable!!!!! Kaine lost liberals ,get a grip on reality, geeze some people have no shame!!!!!!

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