Are We Living in Religion’s Last Days?

Last week, opening arguments were heard in a Supreme Court case that will decide the fate of same-sex marriage in the United States. We won’t know until June whether or not these marriages are “constitutionally protected,” but most legal experts predict that the court will come down against state bans. That’s a hornet’s nest of its own, but what such a decision could mean for religious freedom is even more disturbing.

Before you object, these concerns aren’t just coming from conspiratorially-minded Christians, looking for a chance to feel persecuted. They come straight from the Supreme Court itself, where Justice Samuel Alito asked if religious universities would lose their tax-exempt statuses if they continued to teach that traditional marriage was the way of God.

In responding to the question, the Obama administration’s lawyer, Donald Verrilli, said, “I don’t deny that…it is going to be an issue.”

In other words, the lawyers arguing that same-sex marriage bans are unconstitutional admit that if the Supreme Court rules for them, it’s going to take a toll on religious liberty. What’s good for religious universities, it could be argued, is also good for churches that benefit from tax-exempt status. And this is no minor thing. Without non-profit exemptions, most American churches would be forced to close overnight. Could the rise of gay marriage accompany the death of religion in this country?

It seems far-fetched, but then again, who would have thought a decade ago that gay marriage could become the law of the land? Who would have thought that Christian bakers could be fined out of their homes for refusing to produce a gay wedding cake? Liberals have demonstrated again and again that “far-fetched” is not beyond their grasp.

If you’re a fiscal conservative with little regard for religion, you may think, “So what? It’s about time that churches started paying their fair share in taxes. This isn’t a real attack on free speech.” And just like that, they have you where they want you. See, there are a number of ways the federal government can exercise its power over the populace. Military force, jails, executive orders, etc. But the most powerful tool in an era like this might just be the IRS. We’ve already seen what that agency can do when it starts putting conservative groups on a watch list. If it decides that churches now fall afoul of the liberal administration, we could indeed be seeing the last gasps of religious freedom.

Combine these concerns with the growing swell of support for “hate speech” laws that would penalize people like Pamela Geller, and you get a stew of totalitarianism that isn’t as distant as you might want to believe. When it arrives at the table, we might finally understand that all of these issues – defense of Muslims, gay marriage, Indiana’s religious freedom battle – were just appetizers. The main course is a fundamental change in the fabric of the country.

 

 

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  1. For religious institutions to be taxed is a breach of the “wall of separation” between church and state. It isn’t about “losing an exemption” granted by government. Government has no legitimate power to tax religious institutions to begin with. And just as we must practice civil disobedience and refuse to acknowledge any illegitimate ruling by the supreme court redefining marriage (I say that as one who has dealt with same-sex attraction), we will need to practice civil disobedience if government attempts to tax religious institutions.

    • Where do you get this idea that government has no legitimate power to tax churches? I’ve never heard anyone adequately explained to me why churches should be exempt from taxes. Just like any other business, churches are selling a product. The difference is the product the churches are selling cannot be examined for fitness. Unlike other businesses, churches don’t give you a guarantee that the product they’re selling will be satisfactory. Hell, churches can not even prove to you the product they’re selling is real.

      Let’s start off with the easy one. Give an adequate explanation as to why churches should be exempt from taxes.

    • headonstraight

      Hoo-Hah! Here we have a conservative defending what he calls the ” ‘wall of separation” between church and state.”

      Well Praise the Lord! You, Chuck W., have dared to bless a concept that about 99 percent of your right wing colleagues deny even exists. Ain’t ya heard ’em on this? “Why, that is just something Jefferson wrote in a letter; it is not in the Constitution.” You need to bring the rest of the wingers up to speed on this, Chuck!

  2. Michael Dennewitz

    Churches will be forced to abandon their “religious” buildings and begin teaching out of homes, garages, barns, you name it. Anyone who is well grounded in his or her faith is NOT going to allow a terrorist government to force them to abandon it.. GOD BLESS AMERICA! GOD HELP AMERICA !!

    • That may be what Christianity needs. That is basically how it started with the Apostles going door to door.

    • Raymond J Ambrozaitis

      God be amused by those of little faith

    • Jonathan Brooks

      Michael, I think it is worse than you think. The surveillance society, and the ability to locate anyone anywhere means that the church may not be going underground but facing extermination and genocide. Jade Helm may well be the set up for the beheading of the saints, and the end times.

      • Michael Dennewitz

        I will NEVER, EVER deny God, no matter what the punishment. I am old, but I wish I could be around when Christ tells the world, You will not destroy Israel! What a day that will be, when the heavens open up and we hear the thunder of judgement! God forgive us for what we’ve allowed humanity to become.. Shalom….

        • Jonathan Brooks

          I agree. If faith means anything, it means speaking truth to power, and taking up the cross and following Jesus, and the persecuted church into witness. I look forward to the day that Jesus saves his people Israel, but I understand that we are living the Second volume of the Foxes Book of Martyrs, and I may not see it in my regular body.

    • Very well stated Michael. God bless YOU! Shalom!

  3. Where are you O’Lord, you seem not to be found
    Your loving creation is all turned around
    Without you Dear God I know not what to do
    So many lost faces show no sign of you

    God where are you now you’re no where in sight
    The days that you gave us are turning to night
    You give us our choices, and many choose wrong
    The path we should follow is so narrow and long…

    Most living without you think alone they’ll suffice
    Stead of praying to you they pray to their vice
    Alone if we walk there’s so much to lose…
    The world now today has me really confused

    So I wake up each morning and think to myself
    Perhaps a good spanking with a spiritual-belt
    Something that hurts to get our attention
    It worked once before it’s no-new-invention

    I know that you promised to never do it again
    But this cruel-ole-mean-world is so full of sin
    Maybe forty-more-days and forty-more-nights
    Would solve lots of problems; put an end to this blight

    The people are lost, their spirits’ gone lazy
    The world now today has completely gone crazy
    Not sure what to think, it’s all just a shame
    Think I’ll stop what I’m doing and start dancing for rain

    -pctrell

    • headonstraight

      As Earth endures so will the curse,
      Of having to tolerate doggerel verse.

    • Not you again. Do you have any brain cells left ?? Please go away!! If I had the choice between being tortured at Gitmo or being forced to read your insane poems, I would most definitely choose torture. LOL!!!

  4. We are very close to the last 7 years.

    If any of you have studied the book of Daniel you are likely to remember in chapter 12:4 that the Lord told Daniel to seal the words till the end times. Under this president and his Godless cohorts we the American people are being lead to the gravest prophecy in the bible. A prophecy no one realized was there. The Lord hid it well so it would only be known at the time of the end.

    The Lord knew 2500 years ago what America
    was going to do when he told Daniel to seal those words. What did the lord
    seal? There were 5 prophecies sealed. One prophecy is the founding of America
    in Daniel: Independence Day. Another one is what is happening to America this
    very day in 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8 for the mystery of iniquity doeth already
    work, he who leteth, will let, till he be taken out of the way, then will that
    wicked one be revealed. One of them is Revelation 14:6-13 the judgment of
    Babylon/America. The Lord also knew when this event would take place. All of
    this is recorded in the bible and what Daniel sealed has been unsealed. What
    amazes me is the fact that most people are not getting what is happening in and
    to America. Most haven’t a clue where we are in bible prophecy and probably wouldn’t
    care any way. They will though, when they lose their country and that is
    exactly what is happening today.

    From the day Obama stepped into his cushy
    office we have been paying him to destroy our country. For him that is a great
    deal, he gets to play golf, take selfies; he laughs when caught in a lie and
    thinks he is better then and over everyone. It seems he puts everyone around
    him in a trance as they follow like sheep. It is possible that he is setting
    himself up to be the Muslims 12th Imam? I could make a list here of the minuses
    for Americans and the pluses for the Muslims he has accomplished but you all
    know what they are. If he can accomplish the destruction of America the Muslims
    would worship him forever.

    He has already placed Israel in a box just
    as the bible says. I am not sure if any of us can do anything about this
    situation though, as our government has been taken over by him and his Muslim
    friends and it’s getting to late to change what he has accomplished.

    What was so horrible that our Lord wanted
    the words sealed? The sealing was done for one reason and it was to cover
    something so horrible it wasn’t to be known till the end times. There are two
    more prophecies detailing this and these interact with a host of other
    scriptures that verify the outcome. Folks were very close to the last 7 years
    and the words Daniel sealed are now unsealed. You will not like what is
    advancing toward us at avalanche speed but you need to know. What Daniel
    covered is a nuclear war and not a little one. I cannot cover in detail here
    what I have to say but for those of you that are not faint of heart you can
    find the prophecies detailed and the time element which you will know is the
    work of God by his time stamp of incredible sevens in a book at http://www.thejudgmentofbabylon.com you will not like what you read but you
    will be glad you read it. Your family’s future is at stake.

    If Jesus Christ is not on your “todo” list I suggest you get with it. There is a
    prophecy that states the Lord at some point will send a strong delusion that
    you will believe the lie. Then it will be too late. Washington has already
    bought the cool aid.

    You will be amazed at how the Lord hid these prophecies as in Daniel 12:4 seal the words till the end times and you will find it only in this book.

  5. Good article, it brings up the subject of our controversy with the world. Unfortunately the greater mass of Christians have decided to not believe in the immutable infallibility of God…..and move back out into the world. In fact we live in the “irreligious” last days of which prophecy speaks, wherein only a “remnant” will be saved. As to the threat of paying taxes…..the government has no rights of taxation over God….but fear of taxation would never keep me from preaching the true word of God.

    • ‘Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto God, the things that are God’s’…taxes go to Caesar, to keep his govt going …Tithes go to God…to keep His church going…you will notice I didn’t mention chili suppers, ball games, bingo games, etc to lure the masses in…
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  6. Tick-tock, tick-tock said the clock on the wall
    On a nail I hang without, I’d fall
    I’m true to me and I’m true to you
    Tick-tock I say now what say you

    Good times, bad times, they’ll come and go
    A clock I am and I’ll let you know
    Pain and sorrow they too shall pass
    It’s not a long time if you say it real fast

    A clock I am and I’m always right
    It’s not me it’s you, you fight
    Run from me you soon will find
    Be true to you and don’t blame time

    Long clocks wall clocks short & tall
    Some things we share after all
    It’s your time friend forever-less
    You’re wasting yours I do confess

    Constraint of time is your only bridle
    My hands, my hands are never idle
    Tick-tock tick-tock is what I say
    Tick-talk, tick-talk your day away

    To sum it up your time is thin
    So think about the place you’re in
    You’re young now and somewhat bold
    The truth though is you will grow old

    Time will pass and I’ll still be here
    Your fate to come is what you fear
    I suggest to you go feed his flock
    Buy some time tick-tock, tick-tock

    The Lord’s work is never done
    He gave to you his precious son (3:16)
    Without Him know, you will be lost
    Alone He died on a wooden cross

    Think about the time He spent
    The agony and pain without lament
    He shed his blood just for you
    Stop wasting time there’s work to do

    A plan for you in spite of me
    A place with Him you soon may see
    Tell the world how great His art
    And don’t forget He knows your heart

    Lord anyway I made my case
    Can’t help but show my simple face
    After all I’m just a clock
    Two words for sure…

    Tick-tock tick-tock

    -pctrell

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    • headonstraight

      As Earth endures so will the curse,
      Of having to tolerate doggerel verse.

    • Holy Shit!! Are you on drugs?? Tick tock tic tock ? Isn’t that the sound you hear just before your brain is about to explode?? If that was your idea of trying to sound clever, you have failed miserably. You might want to seriously consider changing your user name. LOL!!!!

  7. OUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS WILL ALWAYS STAND AND NOTHING OR NOBODY IS GOING TO CHANGE US.
    IN MANY PLACES IN THE GOOD BOOK IT SAYS HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE A SIN,
    AND WE WILL SHOUT IT FROM THE HIGHEST MOUNTAINS.THOSE WHO ARE SINNERS WILL BE JUDGED!

    • Your “religious beliefs” nor anyone else’s is the law of this land. We do not have a Theocracy here, Thank Gaea!

    • Yes the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. But it also says theft, murder, coveting and lust are sins which I’m sure you are totally innocent of. I’m a Begotten Christian awaiting the Resurrection and I find it rather strange that some people harp on this “gay” “homosexual” thing as if there is only ONE COMMANDMENT and it is against homosexuality. I’m suspicious of people harping on that. And by the way, it was LACK OF FAITH that brought the destruction of Sodom. Homosexuality was just ONE of the items mentioned. Read the conversation between God and Abraham to get the true story. Nor do people get to choose their gender orientation. It is made into each individual before birth. God programmed the orientation, not the individual.

  8. This makes clear why the same-sex marriage issue has been so explosively hyped and aggressively pursued. This is the weapon that the communists and atheists have been seeking to break the American religious tradition that has been the source of our exceptionalism and the bulwark against state tyranny since the days of Tocqueville. The latter stated that American has been great because America has been good; if it becomes legally impossible to be good or to seek goodness, then greatness will not be possible either. The plan is to criminalize religion over the issue of same-sex marriage, which is doctrinally unacceptable for almost all of them, tax the no-longer-exempt churches out of existence and substitute a state cult of leader worship and secular humanism. This is what Crown Princess Killary, now revealing herself to be not just a blood-stained crook but every bit the Marxist Alinsyite she was in 1992, means by changing our culture and our religion. The justices need to remember that the first Civil War was caused by an ill-conceived Supreme Court decision regarding slavery that was intolerable to a significant portion of the population.

  9. Why should the corporate jets of mega churches be tax exempt? And the multiple McMansions of their leaders? And why should their trips, on same corporate jets, be exempt from taxes?

    The edifice itself but all the $$$$ trimmings are certainly questionable.

    Ten years ago on the San Francisco property tax rolls 1800 single family homes owned by the Catholic Archdiocese of San Francisco were exempt from property taxes. How widespread is this practice and what does it cost the taxpayers?

  10. I personally do not think that the Supreme Court will ban churches from denying gay marriage. The First Amendment would be breached if they did and churches would ban together n court to fight it. In fact, if the Supreme Court can get back to honoring states’ rights this whole scenario would go away. I would remind all liberals and federal courts that they are steering out of bounds on several issues of extending rulings that are beyond the scope of their office. They rule on federal issues, not state issues. There is nothing religious about a declaration of defining marriage as between a man and a woman. Scientifically procreation cannot continue without it. Human life would cease if everyone engaged in homosexual marriage. Such a law preserves procreation which is how we exist.

    • What do you think of the Convention of States. Not a Con-con but the real movement that happening today to bring back some sanity and sanctity to this country?

      • whoselineisitanyway

        I firmly believe that’s wherever we need to go.

      • Dylan,
        That is an excellent idea. I would think the Idaho Governor/legislators would welcome that opportunity. I believe our federal courts are overstepping their bounds on several issues such as federal interference with private property owners as was the case in Nevada and the Red River on the Texas border, not just the gay issue. So far they have stayed out of the Second Amendment issue but if the Supreme court were to get more balanced to the left many more states’ rights could come under fire. I wish states could afford taking over federal lands but most like Idaho cannot afford to do it.

        • headonstraight

          Hey, that Nevada case did not involve private property. The land involved was PUBLIC LAND. The deranged trespasser, Cliven Bundy, owned a small parcel of adjacent land that the government was not interfering with. However you might wish to define that controversy, do not be so erroneous as to ascribe ownership of public land to a deadbeat rancher like the blithering Bundy.

          • headonstraight,
            You are really trying to make me look bad but it is not working. again you do not have all the pertinent facts. Bundy did own the land adjacent to the BLM land. Yes, he owes back taxes. It was HIS thought , not mine, that he had done a considerable amount of improvement in the water supply at his own expense. Therfore wild life was beneftting the water available as wll as his cattle.

          • headonstraight

            And it was his thought, not yours or mine, not to pay the grazing fees that he had agreed to under agreement with the government. Bundy is a deadbeat, no matter how you cut it. Other ranchers paid their fees without whining and rebelling. Bundy invoked bizarre and untenable interpretations of law and property in his determination to weasel out of paying his.

          • headonstraight,
            Apparently you have no intention of reading the whole story nor pay any attention to what I just posted on that topic. I see no purpose in discussing it any further. You choose to, leave out the part of the story where his cattle were slaughtered by the BLM and what Bundy had done at his own expense to provide water in an area of BLM land where no water existed. That benefitted wildlife as well as his cattle. That is what angered him and brought about eh armed standoff.

          • headonstraight

            Bundy could have constructed a full scale reproduction of the Taj Mahal on public land, but that would not cancel his obligation to pay his grazing fees. It is the responsibility and role of the Bureau of Land management to decide where and when to emplace additional water features on public land, not Bundy’s. The cattle you refer to were killed after Bundy initiated his redneck rancher stand-off and had nothing to do with his deadbeat refusal to pay his grazing fees. This welfare cowboy has no legitimate basis for his refusal to pay the same fees his neighbors do.

          • headonstraight,
            If BS was music you would be a brass band. I have stated Bundy’s position repeatedly but you do not see that. You prefer the old liberal dodge of trying to twist what is said. I have repeatedly said I was presenting what Bundy was thinking. I have also said that he owes back grazing fees. That is his problem, not mine. What was the issue was the BLM confronting him with armed officers “deputized” from Las Vegas after killing his cattle. hat was pure stupidity and an act of pure aggression against a private citizen. That is what I and many others who have posted on that situation and objection to. Yes, Bundy’s choices were not good or smart. But the collective “wisdom” of the BLM was atrocious and overbearing as a federal agency. That was and is the real issue. It was as senseless as he BLM attempt on the Red River on the Texas border.

          • headonstraight

            After 20 years of putting up with Deadbeat Bundy’s arrogant intransigence, it was necessary for stronger measures. Unfortunately, the legitimate law enforcement
            measures against Bundy were interrupted by armed redneck sagebrush thugs
            who created a tense and dangerous situation. The BLM wisely backed off this confrontation, but Bundy is still in trouble and will pay dearly for his resistance.

          • headonstraight,
            I thought we buried this issue. Bundy broke the law. So did the BLM when they shot and killed his cattle. They had a chance to take them for payment in the back taxes, at least in the amount of the worth of the cattle. Bundy is certainly guilty of failure to pay his taxes. He has to pay up. But the BLM did not take him to court for that purpose. That should have been a normal procedure. The BLM sought to confront him and that created the backlash of citizens who went to Bundy’s aid. I do not and will not justify Bundy’s behavior. And I will not and do not justify what the BLM did.

          • “Normal procedure[s] did not work for 20 years. The BLM was too patient with that deadbeat rancher. And it was not “taxers” he owed; it was grazing fees, which are altogether different from taxes. taxes. Other ranchers grazing their livestock on public lands pay their fees or give up their grazing leases. Bundy wanted to have his cake and eat it. It doe not work that way on the PUBLIC lands.

          • headonstriaght,
            The BLM had every right to take him to court and take action to force him to either pay what he owed or seize property such as the cattle. I am sure that they could make that stick.

      • The Constitution provides for such. Check out Amendments IX and X.

      • It could also open Pandora box?

      • We might just have to resort to that Constitutional provision. There is a lot of insanity going on in the Congress, the White Mosque and the Supreme Court.

    • GIVE ME A BREAK! So you think that if the Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage, that all of a sudden all the straight people will fall head over heels in love with a person of the same sex and marry someone of their own sex. No more straight sex!! Only gay sex!! Biology just does not work that way! Unless you believe everyone is bisexual and desires both sexes! ! I have never had desires for the opposite sex as I’m sure you have never had desires for the same sex, that is if you are TRULY STRAIGHT!! No more babies! !! Gay or straight!! The end of the human race!! Sorry, but you straights will never stop dropping babies left and right whether you are married or not. You will always produce little straight babies that will carry on the human race. By the way, you “straights” also produce the gay, bisexual and Transgender and even hermorphroditic little babies born. So there will be no shortage of little babies, of all persuasions, being produced in the future.

    • I support the philosophy of freedom for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as stated in the Declaration of Independence. And as long as an activity or agenda does not infringe on others’ rights directly or indirectly then I support people’s rights to their preferences. My personal opinion is that same gender “marriages” are just plain silly.
      It is not a concern of mine who lives with whom, loves whom, sleeps with whom, showers with whom, etc. It has no effect on my privacy.
      I just do not grasp what advantage(s) “marriage” adds to a “committed” relationship between two people of the same gender other than a pseudo status symbol. Why not just consider the relationship a “common law” one and move on? Nobody has of yet
      given any hints regarding advantages of “marriage” of two same-gender people. Therefore to me it is the equivalent of a teen fad. It
      has no substance. Therefore if same gender marriages be lawful I could not care less as long as none of my tax dollars and/or earnings are taken to support such an union of people I don’t know.
      So were I a Justice on the Supreme Court or a Member of Congress I would cast a vote of NO for allowing “marriage” between two people of the same gender. But I would give those people my personal wishes for a good, happy, enjoyable union. The”marriage” part just does not make sense to me. It is not necessary.

  11. Marilynn Reeves

    I am surprized you even have to ask. I pray the Rapture happens before my next breath.

    • That is the problem with America today. People have bought into a rapture that will not happen as they believe and have abrogated their responsibility to Occupy until he comes.

    • Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; BEHOLD, I AM AGAINST YOUR PILLOWS, WHEREWITH YE THERE HUNT THE SOULS TO MAKE THEM FLY, AND I WILL TEAR THEM FROM YOUR ARMS, AND WILL LET THE SOULS GO, EVEN THE SOULS THAT YE HUNT TO MAKE THEM FLY.

    • I also hope “the rupture” happens before your last breath.

    • I am not surprised that you misspelled surprized. Maybe if you Christians spent less time reading that false book you call the bible & spent more time using a dictionary, people would actually believe that you have at least some shred of intelligence. There is no proof or evidence that the rapture will ever happen, so if I were you I wouldn’t hold my breath. LOL!!!!

      • No please do hold your breathe. Do us all the favor. Put an end to the dyslexic inbred gene pool you come from.

  12. Wake up America and don’t let this happen,for this country was founded on religious belief,and let us pray that the court will do the right thing.

    • I wouldn’t bet on it.

    • If it’s not too taxing for you, could you please provide some links to documentation proving this country was founded on religious belief. I’ve searched and searched and cannot find anything. There is nothing in the Constitution about this country being founded on religious beliefs. Nowhere in the Bill of Rights does it show up. Not one Constitution from the 50 states makes such a claim. There’s just nothing there. There are no founding documents that state this country was founded on religious belief. I’ve searched for at least 10 years and found none. But, hey I’m still open-minded to the idea so, if it is not too much trouble, please provide links to such documentation.

      Thanks in advance.

      • headonstraight

        Don’t hold your breath, Bodine666. That iconic, totemic contention of the deranged ultra-rightists does not hold a thimbleful of water, but remember–these are people who believe what they believe simply because they WANT to believe it.

          • headonstraight

            None of that shows that this country was “founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs.” The founding document, the Constitution, mentions religion but a single time,in the First Amendment’s PROHIBITION of laws “respecting an establishment of religion.”

          • I’m currently studying the Constitution, Bill of Rights & the Federalist Papers. I’m well aware of the 1st A. I’m far from being a scholar, however, from the research & studies I’ve done so far, one might conclude, there was a strong “Judeo / Christian” influence. I’m of the opinion that such is the case. America was not based on Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism, Atheism or Zoroastrianism.
            When America fought to become a Democratic Republic, Judeo / Christian beliefs were at the forefront, and a part of social life during that time period in American history,
            http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel03.html

            There’s a wonderful online Constitutional study offered by Hillsdale College if you’re interested. It’s extremely deep, informative & eye opening describing the political climate of the period, along with facts and information showing that our Constitution and Bill of Rights is certainly “One of a Kind”, and unique in human history. Without a doubt, it’s the foundation of why America became the greatest and most successful nation in human history. I can only hope our success continues, and we as a nation of wonderful diversity continue to grow and mature.

          • headonstraight,
            How come the Ten Commandments and other New Testament teachings are in the Constitution? None? You would be wrong. I just responded to the First Amendment. Look back a few posts.

          • headonstraight

            Just for starters and to establish a basis for rational discussion, Jerry, please point out to me where the Constitution directs you and me to “Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy?” And where in that grand document is there an instruction prohibiting the making of graven images and the bowing down to them? Help me along here, Jerry. I have looked through my copy of the Constitution and found none of that, but I might have somehow missed it. Maybe you are better than I am at ferreting out these Constitutional
            verities.

          • Well we don’t shoot traitors on Holy days!

          • headonstraight

            You have just achieved a new personal best for irrelevancy.

          • What the hell does that mean???

          • That Conservative Christians are NOT mean spirited folk as implied by the Head On Up His TROLL.

          • headonstraight,
            You are a joke. No, the Constitution does not spell out the Ten Commandments specifically. But the Constitution does spell out our basic freedoms and more specifically our overall behavioral goals. The Ten Commandments spell out our means of civility for the human race. They guide us in daily living. So does the Constitution.

          • headonstraight

            It is YOU who are the “joke,” Jerry, as anyone can see from reading your confused and contradictory remarks. You asked this:

            “How come the Ten Commandments and other New Testament teachings are in the Constitution? None? You would be wrong. ”

            Well, I was NOT wrong, Jerry. NONE of the 10 Commandments is spelled out specifically in the Constitution. And you are conveniently ignoring the point I made about the Sabbath-keeping imperative of the 10 Commandments and the prohibitions against idolatry, none of which are overtly or even remotely enjoined upon the citizens of this nation anywhere in the Constitution. Americans can observe the Sabbath or any other day they wish and can make and bow down to any number of “gods” of wood or stone as they care to and the Constitution actually PROTECTS their choices and activities in such matters.

            The 10 Commandments were a body of instruction given to the theocratic nation of Israel. The Constitution is a template for the organization and operation of a secular republic, the non-theocratic nation of the United States of America.

            And that’s no joke.

          • headonstraight,
            Do not think I am not aware of your effort to discredit me and others. You either do not know or respect the Ten Commandments such that you do not see the influence of what are normal basics we all live by even in countries that had never read them. But in reality your goal is to discredit anyone you choose to disagree with by deliberately trying to twist around what people say. READ the Ten Commandments and then see if the ideology of them is not embedded in the Constitution.

          • You’re just embarrassed because you made a complete fool of yourself. I think you did an excellent job of discrediting yourself.

          • Faye,
            You are obviously not any brighter than Headon. But I have gotten on to the same page with him. I should have gone to say more. I will enlighten you as well.
            No, the Constitution does NOT specifically mention the Ten Commandments anywhere. But it does outline a course by which we are to live. So do the Ten Commandments. they are a part of the Torah. Happy now?

          • Everyone just check out our conversation and see how discredited this dumb bitch got when she got bitch slapped into the dirt like her pimp/dad does to her every day. Dont listen to this loser troll, she is dYslexic and cant read or come up with good comebacks. She just repeats the same shit over and over. Too many dicks to the head on this one

          • You have totally contradicted yourself. Have you ever read The Constitution? I highly doubt it, or you wouldn’t have made yourself look like a complete idiot!!!

        • headonstraight,
          I see you are at it again. And look who is on your case again. You are trying to deal with a topic you seem to know nothing about.

          • You have noticed that HEAD ON STRAIGHT is code for HEAD IN COLON?

          • jarhead,
            Yup. I am having fun with him. Why? He is a typical liberal who seek to construe anything said or written to his own idealogy. That is a good exercise for anyone who has not been able to realize the danger of their political agenda.

      • I take it you never took a U.S. History course either in College or High School. I have at one of the top history programs in the nation at the time The University of Iowa and have the degrees to prove it. Yes the U.S. was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs. I suggest you pick up a good history book written 40 years ago or older (as newer ones are pure pap) and learn for yourself. No I won’t help you find, it do it yourself. I had to you can too, if you try, or are you just to lazy like most on the Left. However, here you go there are several references in the Federalist Papers that would be a great place for you to try and fill your little pinheaded brain with. Also read any papers or works by any of the founders or is that just too hard for you, look it up yourself. Or again is that just too hard for a simpleton like you.

        • Jon,
          I will not take your rather stiff response but you are entirely correct. The founding fathers sought to avoid an theocracy, which was prevalent in the colonies.

          • Belief in God was fundamental during the early years of America’s growth and the “Founders” took measures to outlaw any attempt to run peoples’ lives by way of the GOVERNMENT dictating religions observation.

            growth. The “Founders” just did not want the GOVERNMENT to dictate what and how we believe. A theocratic GOVERNMENT showed them how freedom of faith could run amuck if controlled and dictated by a GOVERNMENT. Today we have Leftists who are working 180 degrees opposite to control everyones’ lives

          • marshmil,
            You are correct. Each colony had its own theocratic government which proves that Christianity was well bedded in the lives of the colonists. The founding fathers either had to choose one or choose to create a government in which all had religious freedom. They chose the latter.

        • Jon, I couldn’t have said better…the majority of founding fathers were sons, grandsons of preachers, the majority were christians. The only one who had some differing views was Franklin who wrote platitudes still quoted occasionally today…and the Federalist Papers are a great place to start, along with the prayers of many of these early men, which were painstakingly penned down by others..The problem is finding a book that is old enough to read the truth..

      • Bodine,
        Notice I did not use the 666. Bad idea. People get this wrong because of the fact that all of the original colonies were based on a specific version of Christianity. The writers of the constitution took that into account and created the First Amendment. It is interesting reading. So is the Second Amendment. But do not stop there. Christianity is in no way impeded by the Constitution whether you like that or not. Why do you suppose that is?

        • headonstraight

          You could not be more wrong in your assertion that “all of the original colonies were based on a specific version of Christianity.”Go to the link below and scroll down to the “13 Colonies Chart” and see for yourself just how diverse an array of religious beliefs (versions of Christianity) was represented in those Original 13–Puritans, Catholics, Quakers, Baptists, Lutherans, Jews, “and others.” Unitarians ( a non-Christian sect) also were a significant influence.

          And do not try to crawfish away from your erroneous assertion by suggesting that all these belief systems existed harmoniously and thus for practical purposes were somehow “one.” That dog simply won’t hunt. There was plenty of hostility among some of these factions and plenty of efforts, unfortunately successful in many cases, by one denomination to compel those of another to either accept the majority beliefs and practices or get out of town.That sordid aspect of our history is a great part of the reason the framers of the Constitution wisely prohibited the establishment of anything like a state church.

          http://www.landofthebrave.info/13-colonies-chart.htm

          • headonstraight,
            More of the usual liberal diatribe. I said specifically that all of the colonies were based on a specific version of Christianity. Read this: Each colony had their own beliefs concerning Christianity because they were practicing their own version of Christianity. But it was still Christianity. You are correct in that the 13 colonies had different versions of Christian belief. Just because I did not name them does not mean I did not know that. However, they did exist without any squabbling among them. That is what Christians do. That continues to this day. Try reading what went on in the Continental congress on this matter. The objective of the framers of the Constitution was to avoid the rise of a theocracy which is why many of the pilgrims came here in the first place.

          • headonstraight

            Maybe your problem, Jerry, is that you are having trouble correctly using the English language. You said, “…all of the original colonies were based on a specific version of Christianity.”Taken literally, and in light of the rules of English composition, that means that “all” the colonies were based upon a particular–and the same–“version of Christianity.” Maybe what you MEANT to say, but did not say, was something like this: “Each colony based its beliefs on some version of Christianity.”

            But even that is not correct, Jerry, because, as you could see from the chart I referred you too, there were numerous colonies where several “versions of Christianity” were practiced.

            You say: “Christianity is in no way impeded by the Constitution whether you like that or not. Why do you suppose that is?”

            Your question is a no-brainer, Jerry. A core feature of the Constitution is that it impedes NO religion. A voodoo practitioner is as free to practice his religion as is an Episcopalian. I “suppose that is” because the Framers of the Constitution were very much aware of the danger of granting preferential sanction and special privileges to one religion over another, since they had seen the consequences of that in the history of some of the colonies, where early colonial governments had tyrannically abused those whose belief systems did not line up with the state-endorsed theology. Believe me, you would not have enjoyed being a Quaker in the Massachusetts Bay Colony in the 17th Century.

          • headonstriaght,
            Well what do you know? A sensible response. I have some 22 responses to current issues yet and yes, some times I get in too big a hurry. Sorry about that.

      • Read the Declaration of Independence. It is the philosophy upon which the United States of America was founded with the 13 Colonies. Your ten year search is over. I’m concerned that in your ten year search you overlooked the NUMBER ONE DOCUMENT. That’s incredible! You are like a person complaining of thirst while holding a full water bottle in your hand.

        • Michael Dennewitz

          It amazes me at how many “so called” Christians try themselves to interpret scriptures the way THEY want to believe them. Even the native Indians of this country looked to the skies and threw their arms upward to worship the”great spirit” and to give thanks. They may have been ignorant of a lot of things, but EVEN THEY KNEW that there was a mighty spirit that created everything!!!

          • Yep! Seems God has a way of revealing Himself even though there are no Holy Bibles, churches, pastors, priests or evangelical TV
            programs around to deliver the message. “The Heavens declare the Glory of God and the Firmament shows His Handiwork.” The native Americans saw it.

    • America was indeed founded on the Christian Faith. Some will argue to the contrary but the facts remain. Our High Court is not composed 100 Per Cent of true Christians so I personally have little reliance on it doing what is “right” along teachings of Christianity.

  13. No matter how they rule the ultimate and final decider is God. We as Christians expect persecution but we have a promise that can’t change and that gives Christians a tremendous edge. We will continue to pray for all that are lost to find their way before it is too late. Prayer is a very powerful tool.

    • Jimdarnail your post is great but the end has a flaw. The destiny of the dead was determined by themselves during life and once dead no changes can be made. So we the living have no influence over the destinies of the dead. Their destiny, like concrete, is hard set and cannot be changed. In Christian teaching their destiny is either eternal damnation or Eternal Bliss depending on whether or not each had Faith at the moment of death. Thanks for your post.

      • The statement means this. The decisions you make while living determine where you will end up after death. Meaning either Heaven or Hell. Bottom line is to accept Jesus means eternal life with Him. Rejection of Jesus means eternal life in Hell. This decision must be made before a person dies. Many people do not want to hear this truth sadly to say.

      • That’s exactly what my statement said . The decisions you make while living will determine your destiny when you die. To be made clear.. To reject or accept Jesus while living will determine where you go when you die.

    • jimdarnall,
      Is Christianity in its last days? I certainly hope so. We look forward to the Rapture signs of he present seem to indicate that the Rapture is forthcoming. We are also seeing signs of a major intervention by God. That may be the Rapture. But it could also mean another disaster to wipe out a lot of evil in the world. We just do not know yet.

    • My apologies for misinterpreting your last sentence. It came across to me as meaning decisions made by the living determine the destinies of those who are
      dead. What you meant was influence upon people while they are living can influence their destinies after they die. Is that right?

    • You can do all the praying you want. It’s not going to change a damn thing!!!

      • Sorry you feel that way. I guaranty you that it does make a difference. I will also pray for you. Prayer is a an amazing power and hopefully some day you will understand that.

  14. We may well see an underground church develop in America. Christians faithful to God’s word will not be permitted to speak the truth. The compromised church will continue to flourish but playing church doesn’t save anybody. Religion is only a term for man’s belief systems. Secular Humanism, liberalism, Communism, etc. those are all essentially religions with various gods.

    The emerging church is a false gospel. The false church will join with any compromise that comes down the road. 0bama’s religion is Muslim and he fully intends to snuff out Christianity.

    • You’re a racist. Amazing you’re now finding religions are dying. It is the fault of the leaders. I am Catholic. What matters now is your relationship with the Creator who is known by different names. Religious leaders are after your money –you do not pay your dues they will not talk to you. We are in fear that ISIS may be spreading in this country. I do. But remember how Christianity has been used in the country to divide people into races. Christian leaders such as Robertson and Bill Graham preach that their god told them only Whites should be leaders and Blacks should never be in the WH. These religious leaders are now wondering what happened Blacks are in the WH. And here you’re –telling me religions are dying. Religions are being killed by
      religious leaders.

      • You are literally a fool. Pat Robertson & Billy Graham are some of the kindest, most solid Christians I’ve ever met. Yes, being human, they have misspoken at times, but they have always contritely apoplgized. Not going to start pointing fingers, but look into the Catholic Church before you start accusing those you know nothing about. There are so many others that you could have mentioned as charlatans or false yet you choose these two pillars…The best ways to tell? The fruits of their work – check out their children and their followers….

        • Thank God you admit that Robertson and Graham have misspoken at times, but they have always contritely apologized. They are stupid to think we do not know what they are thinking of Blacks. Do you know Robertson is banned in Kenya and some African countries? He said that all women in Kenya had AIDS. Bill Graham once said: “Whites are good at inventing things; Asians are good at improving things invented by White; but Blacks are just good at using things invented by Whites; that is why you see them driving big American cars.” And you think such rhetoric as good for people in their religions. These are fools and do not believe that they apologize.

          • As a Catholic, I guess your proud of all the child molestations that have been performed by all your various priests for centuries. Let’s not forget that much of the Catholic money in the Vatican comes from the prostitution ring that they’ve been running on the side. I take it you are also a Democrat. Most Catholics are. You do know that the Democrats started the KKK and Senator Byrd was a Keagle in the KKK. His famous words to another Democrat…….

            “I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side …
            Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the
            dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become
            degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the
            wilds.”

            Robert C. Byrd, (DEMOCRAT) in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (DEMOCRAT).

          • Michael Dennewitz

            NO, most catholics are NOT your liberal demoncraps!!! And there is deceit and corruption in every walk of life……

          • The majority of the Catholics in my area are Liberal Democrats. Yes, there is deceit in corruption in a lot of areas. I was only pointing that out to pmbalele.

      • No, It sounds like you are a racist, your constant reference to whitey exposes you to be a bigot. 0bama is in the white house and if you didn’t know he is half white. He is also a Marxist muslim. You are obviously a very misinformed 0bama voter.

        • truthtester this pmbalele is a low information voter. Don’t expect much in the way of quality posting.

        • truthtester: looks like pmbalele is your typical low-inf0, demonicRat, PC liberal-TARD with strong MU-slime-NAZI training. Or it could be he/she/it is high on Meth, Xanex, PCP or Crack?

          • HIGH on all of those and LOW on information and credibility. …as always.
            Thanks Jarhead. If you are/were a US Marine I tip my lance to all of you in the USMC who are serving/served Honorably. Yes, the nation does have a few good MEN left. And I thank God for you. me, USAF

          • Arigatoo gozaimasu Flyboy……from 1945…once…always. Semper Fi

      • OK pmbalele post for us the quotes from Robertson and Graham stating that
        “only Whites should be leaders and Blacks should never be in the WH.” We the People are waiting your answer and post. We are waiting………

        • Have you not read Robertson was kicked out of Kenya about 2 months ago?

          • Good for him. He doesn’t need to be over there where the Kenyan born white house imposter was born.

          • So you think Ted Cruz is an impostor. He was born in Canada to a Cuban father. I am told you’re going to vote for Cruz next year. You’re just a hypocrite.

          • Michael Dennewitz

            Ummmm, my dog is not a US citizen, but even he would be better than the POS we have in office now, don’t you think??

          • Ted Cruz is an imposter and not eligible to work here let alone occupying the WH. Cruz has overstayed his migrant worker permit.

          • Ted Cruz is not anti-American. What you just said about him applies to Barack Hussein Obama, a Kenyan born
            Muslim whose agenda is to ignore the US Constitution that he swore to uphold in his pseudo Inaugurations.

          • Your statement applies more to Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro.

          • To you pmbalele everyone is a hypocrite but you. Maybe with your thought patterns you should enter St. Peter’s Basilica and proclaim yourself to be God.

          • WE ARE STILL WAITING pmbalele for you to post for us the quotes from Robertson and Graham stating that “only Whites should be leaders and Blacks should never be in the WH.” You cannot post anything because you made that up.

          • I wish I kept those averments. But please research their sermons. They are terrible as applies to Blacks. In fact Robertson is ineligible to enter Kenya. He was told to apologize. I would not accept his apology either.

          • pmbalele please move to Kenya. We don’t need your kind here in USA. You never answered the question. Typical Leftist.

          • You’re not a Native Indian; and therefore you’re an immigrant or son of immigrant may be from Europe. Why can’t go back to Europe if you do not like African-Americans.

          • I am a Native American. I was born in the USA. African Americans are fine people. Like all anthropological races, there are some “bad apples” in the barrel. But that’s normal the world over.

      • Actually Blacks are destroying themselves. Government started with Great Society which discouraged having a father in household. Now 70% of Black kids are born out of wedlock,a financial hurdle. The Black & Latino graduation rates are deplorable. The key to getting out of poverty is education. Iworked as a waitress my 1st year out of high school. I decided if I didn’t do something, I’d be stuck. So I went to school to become an RN. Back then they had 3 year diploma schools run by hospitals. We were basically free labor so it was cheap. But even today, if you’re motivated, you can advance in life. Many people don’t make goals,myself included. The years go by & myhealth was shot. I have a lot of regrets but there are no do-overs. The government doesn’t care about the poor. They just want the votes to stay in power. Good people care about the poor & many donate their time & resources but government is a huge, expensive bureaucracy. I’m a Christian & I see no where that talks about one race being better than another. The biggest divider we
        ever had is Obama. He only cares about himself. He lacks empathy. It’s not the color of your skin. What have you done with your life? What will people remember about you when you’re gone?

      • Actually you catholics are just the BIGGEST CULT OF HYPOCRITES!!!

    • For future reference..”to the church in thy house”…”where two or three are gathered together in My name, there I AM in the midst of them.”

      • Exactly right Phyllis, I have been there for some time now.

      • The conversation between Jesus and the Samaritan woman at Jacob’s well provides an answer. Better to read the entire encounter but the bottom line of that “lesson” is what Jesus told the woman: “Neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will men worship God but in spirit and in truth. We have gotten too much into the non-essentials of Christian Faith such as church buildings, property, etc. Those are not essential to Faith. The early Christians met wherever they could for their “church” services. All this might be a good thing for Christianity because it will remove the “social club” atmosphere and only the true believers will be left. All this is just one idea. Recall the apostles pointed out to Jesus the magnificent Temple buildings. He replied that not one stone would be left atop another. It was all destroyed in 70 AD by the government–of Rome. Only the truly faithful kept up their worship.
        Government can stamp out buildings but it can never stamp out Faith.

    • Jonathan Brooks

      The underground church is already under attack in California, because zoning laws are being used to outlaw religious gatherings in homes, and even have raids even if the people are just gathering without singing or noise.

      Basically, Herr Commandant Brown runs a tight Facsist ship, and this will eventually spread to other states. God’s faithful will be punished for speaking the truth, as they are in Canada and Euroope, since the elite hate the Jews and Christians, and are tightening the grip.

      The compromised church is NOT flourishing, and mainline churches are, in the Protestant area, experiencing a collapse, mostly in the cities, with small churches being consumed by the larger ones like Walmarts growing at the expense of the mom and pop stores. There are large protestant churches, but they are fewer in number in the cities, and mostly healthy only in small towns and rural areas, in the inland.

      Roman Catholics appear to be growing churches in the US, but this is due to larger families, and massive immigration. South of the border, many of the populace are converting to Islam, and La Muerta worship of Lady Death.

      The persecuted Church overseas is growing, but being killed in huge numbers, and facing genocide by the devout in Islam.

      • I understand your concern Johnathan, but the Rick Warrens and friends are flourishing…True the little churches are withering but the megachurches are bigger than ever…Persecution will clean up the True Church, the compromised church just needs to repent.

        The United States will cease to exist as we know it. That coming very soon. 0bama will try for a third term, by hook or by crook.

        • Jonathan Brooks

          I can find no arguement with anything you say…I think the value of a Church, though is not it’s growth rate, but the fruit generated by the faithful in it’s body, since mushrooms can grow big overnight, but some are pure poison. The fruit of the True Church will stand the test of time, and Martyrdom, as it is in Libya and Syria and Iraq.

        • Barrack Hussein Obama is an agent of anti-Christianity and of Satan.
          By their fruits shall you know them.
          And YES I SAID IT you snooping prying eyed government bureaucratic agents. My speech is protected by the US Constitution which you swore to uphold.

          • But does the IRS know that?

          • Jarhead the IRS knows only what it wants to know. Some of its employees owe back taxes. Do THEY get ridiculed? I’m for deleting the IRS and going over to a different tax system. IRS employee tax cheats should spend prison time.

          • SPOT ON…..the IRS claims over 100,000 FED/GOV employees are behind in their Income Taxes…….and that does not include $harpton’s $4 MILLION in back taxes!

      • I live in CA, it is lost to the liberal progressives.
        My recommendation is that CA be removed from the union as it no longer follows the Constitution.

        • We need to establish the state of Jefferson.

        • Maybe you could sell it back to Mexico. Did you know 2/3 of autos made in Mexico are exported to US? What a great deal NAFTA turned out to be! Before I health & job we loved to go to California. It was a relatively short flight from Colorado & I always felt rejuvenated by the Pacific Ocean & listening to the waves. Too bad it got infested with liberals. Unfortunately, we got an influx of Californians in last 15 years & it brought people who tried to make it like the state they destroyed. We live in the most conservative county, so it’s not quite as bad. Mention liberal to my husband these days & he becomes unglued. He didn’t use to be like that.

          • Leftists are everything anti-American seasoned with Saul Alinsky and Karl Marx flavorings and served with KOOL-ADE.

          • Mexico would never buy it back, they wont want it after the socialists are done.

            This onslaught of socialism is by design. It is the final stages of the destruction of Capitalism, with the intent of instilling some sort of socialism in its place.

            The problem is that the socialists are weak, they will fall to a dictator, either internal or external (Putin and China signed treaties this week).

            I am so glad you guys in CO reversed the trend. It gives me hope down here.

            Check out the book, “the Naked Communist” it has a list of 45 agenda items the communists were going to follow in order to weaken Americas resolve.

          • Will check it out. Thanks for info. We’re watching Judge Jeanine talk about all the Syrian refugees coming in by the 1000’s. We’re just asking for the troubles that Europe is facing. There is one group in Norway that wants their own little country inside Norway.

          • I enjoy Judge Jeanine….

    • If secular Humanism, liberalism, Communism, etc, are also religions.

      They too should be banned from the public square.

      • The SCOTUS has ruled Secular Humanism to be a religion, actually liberalism is a mental disorder but to them it is their religion. Communism is the advan ced form of liberalism and of course Dear Leader is god.

      • It is our turn to demand the separation of church and state. No halal food served in public institutions. Not in schools or prisons.

      • Oh but that would not agree with the Leftist agenda which states that anything is legal and appropriate if it runs along with their
        agenda.

        • They have changed the playing field, we need to do the same to them.

          • I find it interesting that Leftists want to level the playing field as long as it gives them a decided advantage. And there are other factions too that want to “level” the playing field as long as the “other half” of the population pays for all of THEIR wants such as a big house, a luxury automobile and free passage to everything including food.

          • I have found that when the left cries:

            your a Racists – it is to cover their own racism.
            your an idiot – it is to cover their own idiocrisy.
            your an hypocrite – it is to cover their own hypocrisy.

            In fact what ever they say, they should be looking in the mirror.

          • Well stated MAHB001.

          • headonstraight

            Hopefully, the “left” does not express those sentiments with the chronic pronoun mismanagement that typifies your un-grammatical post. “You’re”–the CONTRACTION, , MAH! Not “Your,” the second person POSSESSIVE!

          • Thank you. I know I am on point when the grammar police show up.

            Is that all you got? Does it piss you off that you have lost an argument to what you would consider a moron? Does that make you dumber than me, or just wrong?

          • headonstraight

            I have lost no argument with you. You don’t put up arguments, you just submit raw, un-explicated extremist opinion. It takes more than that to make an argument, but polemically compromised buffoons like you don’t understand that.

          • If that makes you feel better. So be it.

            I have noticed that liberals pull out the insults whenever they want to change the subject, and that is in direct correlation with them losing an argument.
            But hey your posts only prove my point.
            Do you want to try to refute my statement:
            When the left cries:
            You are a racists – it is only to cover their own racism.
            You are an idiot – it is to cover their own idiocrisy.
            you are a hypocrite – it is to cover their own hypocrisy.

            I’ll add,
            And when a troll starts insulting you – you have won the argument.

          • When there is an “argument”, it should be pursued under the universally understood standards of argumentation, discussion, and debate. Your version of an “argument” is flawed in that you seem to believe that I, or others who disagree with you, are obliged to refute your all-subsuming, absolutist, un-explicated, undocumented wild-ass statements of universal condemnation of liberals. I don’t take that spurious bait, MAHB001, and neither should anyone else.

            As to insults, MAH, If you would scan the content of this forum, you would find that the profane, egregious, foul-mouthed insults posted here originate with an overwhelming predominance from the conservative sector. Shall we apply your standards and conclude that all those potty-mouthed wingnuts have lost the argument?

          • Nice deflection…….

          • headonstraight

            Not a deflection at all, MAH; just an effort to bring you up to speed on some fundamental principles. I note, by the way, that YOU have not even offered a deflection to the challenge I posed to you below–19 hours ago– concerning the alleged banning of religion from the public square.

          • Ahhhh, ignoring my points…. Is not a deflection…

            I am still learning liberal logic. It is like a foreign language to me.

          • headonstraight

            Here are your “points”:

            <<>>>

            Those “points”, MAH, are mere expressions of your opinion. They are backed up by nothing–no evidence, no documentation, nothing to show how you have reached your absolutist, unsubstrantiated conclusions on those subjects. Neither I nor anyone else on this forum or elsewhere should be expected to reply to such blanket ASSertions.

            I do not contemplate performing the research necessary to chase down, catalog and analyze alleged incidents in which “liberals” have demonstrated the behaviors you have attributed to them. I have better things to do–like watching paint dry. You have made unsupported accusations. It is up to YOU, not me, to make your case for your claims. Do that and I will respond, but not before.

            I suppose now it is time for you to blither up you “deflection” nonsense once more instead of manning up and delivering the goods.

          • You are correct, they are my opinions, observations and my experiences…
            However all you have to read are the posts by the liberals on these blogs to see that I am right…
            It would be just as much a waste of my time to catalog them as you will not see or acknowledge them anyway.

          • Outstanding! “Before you acuse me take a look at yourself”

      • headonstraight

        They “too,” MAHB001? Meaning one would suppose, that you have found certain–and perhaps all– expressions of religion to have been banned from the public square.

        ‘splain yourself, please.

        Since when has religion been “banned from the public square”?

        If I wished, I could go downtown to the actual public square of our town and stand in front of the courthouse and deliver a sermon without interference from local gummint authorities. I could legally do the same on any street corner or in any public park. I could legally stand on public land adjacent to public roads and hold up a sign proclaiming the imminent end of the world if I so desire ( Don’t try that on the Interstate system though).

        I can not go about decorating the walls of courthouses or other public places with the 10 Commandments or other doctrinal proclamations, nor should I be permitted to do so, for good and sufficient Constitutionally legal reasons.

        Tell us, MAHB001, just what kind of banning are you referring to?

    • Absolutely. The teacher who was fired recently for saying Obama is not a Christian should be reinstated. Everything Obama does is anti-Christian to a degree. Today he is out West fund-raising instead of honoring our fallen patriots of World War II, who had the spiritual strength to persevere against God-less enemies, defending our country and others who stand for God’s righteousness. Today, Obama is gutting the military of religious belief (except Islam, you can bet) and will leave us a tiny military with no moral core but only loyalty to The One, dictator and liar in chief BHO.

      • But the retired military & active military, I would say are more religious than not. Mostly Christians. In case of martial law or someting like it, I think more military would show their allegiance to American citizens & God. Obama will have some cherry picked liberals but have you noticed liberals don’t tend to go into the military? Probably because they’re afraid. Also,it’s been proven that Evangelical Christians, in particular, give much more of their income to charity. Liberals depend on government to do everything for them & what a great job they’ve done! I’m glad I’m not just starting out in life. I miss “the good old days” when we knew right from wrong.

        • Thank you for your encouraging words! I do feel a little better now, but I still worry that we are outnumbered and outclassed now by the prez. against potential adversaries. We all must decide for God and against evil. Don’t wait.

          • My daughters name is Emily. There are more of us than them. Pretty much the whole country that are conservatives are depressed. Outclassed? Obama has no class & nobody who hangs out with him does either.

          • “Condescend to men (people) of low estate.” We gather from historical commentaries that the Roman Emperors had no class either. Our president and first lady were an embarrassment to us at Buckingham Palace. (lower case letters chosen deliberately)

          • I’ve been embarassed by this by this president from the 1st month of his presidency. My mother was one of 12 children & grew up very poor. One thing she taught me. If you can read there is no excuse for ignorance. My mother’s grammar & vocabulary were exemplary. We ended up in upper middle class living overseas ( until she passed away when I was 14). I’m now 63 but I never forgot the things she taught me. She was an avid reader & probably read in books about proper etiquette, etc. She was a very classy lady. My point is Obama & his wife should have been reading & being coached about etiquette as soon as he decided to run for president. Some cultures have very set rules about their culture such as Japan, Great Britain,etc. Bowing to King in Saudi Arabia, I now see was probably intentional to show allegiance to Islam. I can’t stand to watch him anymore or listen to him. There is a reason for their lack of manners-he is such a narcissist & they are both so arrogant, they feel no
            need to ask for help. They already know it all.

          • Recall Emily: “If God is for us, who can be against us!”
            That is a rhetorical question. We will overcome.

        • KLH6 I like your statement…..”when we knew right from wrong.” Today RIGHT is WRONG and WRONG is RIGHT.
          That twist is the work of Satan for the purpose of deceit. Satan is the Master of Deceit.

          • We still know right from wrong but there are many who want to ignore God & go their own way. They have tried to squelch the conscience God gave us all.
            Someday they will have to answer to our Creator. It’s sickening to see our churches caving to political correctness. Leaders of churches who stray from the Gospel will be judged very harshly, as will many Christians who remained mute. In the bible somewhere in new testament there is a verse warning Christians that if we lead someone astray it would be better that we would have a millstone hung around our neck & thrown into the sea. I have it highlighted in my study bible but not the
            little one by my bedside.

          • “All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way, …” KJV [[ or: We, like sheep, have gone astray; each to his own way. ]] …. in Handel’s MESSIAH.

        • “there are no atheists in foxholes” I just can not remember who said that!

          • It’s attributed to Rev. William T. Cummings who was in Bataan but has been repeated often or paraphased. Now there is an atheist organization called “Atheists in Foxholes”. I wonder at the very end when someone is badly wounded & knows they’re going to die if at the very end they do cry out to God? I would bet the number is higher than atheists would have you believe.

          • Thank you, bataan, glad it wasn’t me ! I bet it’s close to 100% .

          • You might be right because we evolved into religion and near death we’ll fall back to what is intrinsic to our evolution. It will take hundreds of years to evolve out of religion altogether, that is only if religion don’t kill us all first, as in extinction. Whoever said foxholes… doesn’t really know that is true, however. He would have to be a mind reader.

    • Christianity is the OPPOSITE of religion. Christianity is simply and eternal personal

      relationship with the living God, Jesus Christ by calling upon His name(Acts 2:21, 16:31;

      Romans 10:9,10,13), asking and receiving Him into your heart by faith(John 1:12).

      John 8:3. Religion will always INTERRUPT God. It will interrupt what He is doing, and it

      will interrupt His plans and the spreading of the gospel in the world’s harvest fields

      because it is fostered by Satan and has NO PART with the Lord.

      The Pharisees which started out right(under Ezra), had degenerated into an elitist clique

      which, to all outward appearance, was very reverant and holy but inwardly was corrupt,

      venal, and unspiritual. Religion, like the law, is the OPPOSITE of faith. Religion is filled

      with fervency, an outward piousness or set of externals which Jesus compared to an above

      ground tomb, saying it is “full of dead men’s bones, and full of uncleanness”(Matt. 23:27).

      And religion cares little for people. It’s interest is wrapped up in buildings, property, titles,

      money, position, and tradition forbidden by God(Matt. 15:3; Mark 7:9,13), legalism, and

      denominational expansion. People are but a necessary evil in religion’s execution of its own

      designs and purposes.

      Jesus said, “I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God

      before you”(Matt. 21:31). What a statement! And yet organized religion basically finds itself

      in this exact same position today. As a whole, organized religion sits in the same place as

      Simon the Pharisee. Religious SIN is the worse sin of all(behind the sin of unbelief, John

      3:18, 36), simply because it cannot see its sin AS sin; therefore, it cannot be forgiven.

      Religion has PRIDE in its foundation. PRIDE is always robed in self-deception and as a

      result, religious adherents have no consciousness of their sin. This is why it is so hard

      to reach the pious, self-righteous individuals. They cannot recognize their need for the

      Redeemer and ONLY Him. In fact, they tend to lift up their own self-righteousness, and

      by doing so, they insult the Lord of Glory. The Bible is harsh on self-righteousness as can

      be seen in Isaiah 64:6. Many people are following religions that will lead to DISAPPOINT-

      MENT. Because man made filthy religions are not totally based on the finished work and

      shed royal blood of Christ, they are FALSE and will NOT lead to heaven. Only Jesus, the

      eternal Son of God, can take us to the waters of life.

      The world has its religions, its programs, its plans, its values, but Christ witnessed that

      it is all EVIL(John 7:7).

      We must not be fooled by those who teach another way to God(Galatians 1:8). We must

      help others to see that trusting the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior is mans’ ONLY hope. Religion

      may INFORM and REFORM but only Christ can TRANSFORM(2Cor. 5:17).

      • headonstraight

        If Christianity is the “opposite of religion,” then kindly explain what James was talking about:

        James 1:27

        “Pure RELIGION and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world”

        Means simply this:

        1. Show meaningful compassion to the needy; and

        2. Order your life in a pure and morally upright manner.

        You got a problem with THAT? Or perhaps you never encountered that passage from the writing of an inspired apostle?? Have you fallen for the all too common and faddishly popular notion that you need to be “spiritual,” but that you have no need for “religion”? If so, Brother James and I urge you to reconsider.

        • I’ve used James 1:27 often and its the only religion God accepts but NOT for salvation. Anything outside of James is bogus and man made.

          • headonstraight

            “Anything outside of James is bogus and man made.”

            Wha-a-at? Does that mean that you reject the rest of the New Testament or what? You do need to explain THAT remark!

          • Satan couldn’t destroy the church from without so he came riding in on the back of truth. Any religion outside of James is man made and satanically inspired to deceive. I’m a born again Bible Christian and I hate man made religion.

            Christianity is the OPPOSITE of religion. Christianity is simply and eternal personal

            relationship with the living God, Jesus Christ by calling upon His name(Acts 2:21, 16:31;

            Romans 10:9,10,13), asking and receiving Him into your heart by faith(John 1:12).

            John 8:3. Religion will always INTERRUPT God. It will interrupt what He is doing, and it

            will interrupt His plans and the spreading of the gospel in the world’s harvest fields

            because it is fostered by Satan and has NO PART with the Lord.

            The Pharisees which started out right(under Ezra), had degenerated into an elitist clique

            which, to all outward appearance, was very reverant and holy but inwardly was corrupt,

            venal, and unspiritual. Religion, like the law, is the OPPOSITE of faith. Religion is filled

            with fervency, an outward piousness or set of externals which Jesus compared to an above

            ground tomb, saying it is “full of dead men’s bones, and full of uncleanness”(Matt. 23:27).

            And religion cares little for people. It’s interest is wrapped up in buildings, property, titles,

            money, position, and tradition forbidden by God(Matt. 15:3; Mark 7:9,13), legalism, and

            denominational expansion. People are but a necessary evil in religion’s execution of its own

            designs and purposes.

            Jesus said, “I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God

            before you”(Matt. 21:31). What a statement! And yet organized religion basically finds itself

            in this exact same position today. As a whole, organized religion sits in the same place as

            Simon the Pharisee. Religious SIN is the worse sin of all(behind the sin of unbelief, John

            3:18, 36), simply because it cannot see its sin AS sin; therefore, it cannot be forgiven.

            Religion has PRIDE in its foundation. PRIDE is always robed in self-deception and as a

            result, religious adherents have no consciousness of their sin. This is why it is so hard

            to reach the pious, self-righteous individuals. They cannot recognize their need for the

            Redeemer and ONLY Him. In fact, they tend to lift up their own self-righteousness, and

            by doing so, they insult the Lord of Glory. The Bible is harsh on self-righteousness as can

            be seen in Isaiah 64:6. Many people are following religions that will lead to DISAPPOINT-

            MENT. Because man made filthy religions are not totally based on the finished work and

            shed royal blood of Christ, they are FALSE and will NOT lead to heaven. Only Jesus, the

            eternal Son of God, can take us to the waters of life.

            The world has its religions, its programs, its plans, its values, but Christ witnessed that

            it is all EVIL(John 7:7).

            We must not be fooled by those who teach another way to God(Galatians 1:8). We must

            help others to see that trusting the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior is mans’ ONLY hope. Religion

            may INFORM and REFORM but only Christ can TRANSFORM(2Cor. 5:17).

          • A simple syllogism to show you where your theology leads:

            Major Premise: “Pure RELIGION and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.” (James 1:27)

            Religion as described by YOU:

            “Religion will always INTERRUPT God. It will interrupt what He is doing, and it
            will interrupt His plans and the spreading of the gospel in the world’s harvest fields
            because it is fostered by Satan and has NO PART with the Lord.”

            Taking these together, your conclusion is:

            Visiting the widows and orphans in their affliction and keeping oneself unspotted from the world is fostered by Satan, INTERRUPTS God, and has NO PART with the Lord.

            And it will not do, edwinrad, for you to try to isolate the “pure religion” described in James 1:27 from other loving and benevolent actions that are expected of Christians,
            else you would have to discount as outside the realm of religion, as “fostered by Satan” and as having “NO PART with the Lord.” those deeds Jesus Himself described in Matthew 25:

            34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

            35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

            36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

            37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

            38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

            39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

            40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

            41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

            42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

            43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

            44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

            45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

            46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

            Visiting the sick and those in prison and taking in strangers, etc.–Jesus commended these actions. Of course, Satan would want no part of such charitable kindness and concern for the welfare of others. When you artificially isolate religion to the narrow range of things described in the latter portion of James 1:27, you reject its application to other things that Jesus not only commended but overtly recognized as attributes of those He would save in the hereafter. Just how far will you spread YOUR concept of religion to discredit things that Jesus Himself valued so highly?

            And edwinrad, it will not do for you to try to associate the loving Christian deeds of Matthew 25 with the unctuous attitudes, feigned righteousness and inward corruption of the Pharisees, but that is how your theology of “religion” unfolds when you boldly proclaim the all-subsuming thesis that, “Religion, like the law, is the OPPOSITE of faith.”

            Your problem, edwinrad, is that you seem to have set up a narrow, compromised, and extra-Biblical straw-man concept of “religion” at which to fling your angry darts of denouncement. This is not to say that there are nor FALSE religious systems. The world is full of them, including many on cable and satellite TV, where a scuzzy host of seed faith” false prophets operate their money-grubbing “ministries.”

            One more thing, edwinrad. James also said THIS, in the verse preceding James 1:27:

            James 1:26

            “If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.”

            James is not here condemning religion; he is denouncing false or “vain” religion. It is clear that he associates true religion with the bridling of the tongue, which, of course is an aspect of “keep[ing] oneself unspotted from the world” of the following verse. In doing so, he is commending true religion. Followers of Jesus should do the same, should they not, with regard to all that the scriptures endorse as religion? And they endorse a wide range of such things, don’t they?

          • Yeah, we see religionists that prophesied in the Lord’s name and cast out devils and the Lord said, I never knew you(Matt. 7:21-23) because they trusted in their WORKS.
            People must repent of their good works because the forbidden tree was the knowledge of good and evil.
            A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump(1Cor. 5:6). The devil couldn’t destroy the church from without so he came riding in on the back of truth and created man made religion.
            For salvation anything ADDED to the finished work and shed royal blood of the Lord Jesus Christ becomes mere man made satanically inspired religion satan has been using as a weapon of DECEPTION for centuries(2Cor. 11:13-15).

          • WHERE do you get the notion that people must “repent of…good works?”

            The only Biblical mention of repentance from works that I can find is here:

            Hebrews 6:1

            “Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God….”

            To “repent” is to turn away from one’s former behavior and put it away from one’s life. Do you believe that a Christian is required to turn away from doing food works?

            Is repentance a “work”? Is “saying the ‘sinner’s prayer’ [which, by the way, is not found in scripture] a “work”? Is baptism a “work”?
            Is confessing Christ before men a “work”?

            Must a person whose life had been exemplified by various good works before his conversion repent of those good works and discontinue them, lest he be found following a “satanically-inspired religion”?

          • And you hath He quickened who was DEAD in sins and trespasses(Ephesians 2:1). One’s whole life has to be repented of. Old things have passes away, behold, all things have become new(2Cor. 5;17).
            Christians are God’s workmanship created unto good works(Ephesians 2:10). Good works FOLLOW salvation.
            Every Christian has prayed and asked God into their hearts(John 1:12) in their own words.

          • headonstraight

            Here is John 1:12:

            John 1:12 King James Version (KJV)

            12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name….”

            Now where does that say anything about praying and asking God into their hearts?
            _________________________________
            Here is where some convicted lost sinners asked what to do to be saved:

            Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

            37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

            And here is what an Apostle of Jesus Christ, speaking under the influence of the Holy Spirit, told them to do:

            Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

            Where in any of that or elsewhere in its context, or anywhere else in the Bible, was any lost sinner told to say a “sinner’s prayer” or any other prayer or to “ask God into their hearts?”

          • How do you receive Christ(John 1:12)? By calling upon His name(Acts 2:21; Romans 10:9,10,13) in your own words. I guess you’re not saved.

          • headonstraight

            And what did the writer of Acts associate with “calling on the name of the Lord?”

            “And now, why tarriest thou? Arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” Acts 22:16

            Saul was not saved on the road to Damascus as many falsely claimed. Otherwise there would have been on reason for him to be told this.

            In Saul/Paul’s own words:

            Acts 22:10

            “And I said, What shalt I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.”

            When he got to Damascus and found Ananias, an evangelist, he was then told what to do: “Arise and be baptized and WASH AWAY THY SINS….” Had his sins already been forgiven out on the road to Damascus, there would have been no reason for him to be told to do those things. His sins would already have been washed away. But they were not washed away until he had obeyed the divine command delivered by Ananias.

            Take Paul’s and Luke’s word for it. That is the way it happened. The next time someone tells you that Paul was saved on the road to Damascus, ask them how he got saved while still carrying the burden of his sin.

          • As with any single verse or passage, we
            discern what it teaches by first filtering it through what we know the
            Bible teaches on the subject at hand. In the case of baptism and
            salvation, the Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith
            in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism (Ephesians 2:8-9).
            So, any interpretation which comes to the conclusion that baptism, or
            any other act, is necessary for salvation, is a faulty interpretation.
            For more information, please visit our webpage on “Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works?”

            Acts 22:16,
            “And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your
            sins away, calling on his name.” The first question that must be
            answered is “when was Paul saved?” 1. Paul tells that he did not receive
            or hear the Gospel from Ananias, but rather he heard it directly from
            Christ. Galatians 1:11-12
            says, “For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was
            preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from
            man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of
            Jesus Christ.” So, Paul heard and believed in Christ on the road to
            Damascus. Paul had already believed in Christ when Ananias came to pray
            for him to receive his sight (Acts 9:17).

            2. It also should be noted that Paul at the time when Ananias prayed for him to receive his sight,
            he also received the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:17)–this was before he was baptized (Acts 9:18).
            Acts presents a transition period where God’s focus turns from Israel
            to the Church. The events recorded in Acts are not always normative.
            With regard to receiving the Holy Spirit, the norm is that a person
            receives and is permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit at the moment of
            salvation.

            3. The Greek aorist participle, epikalesamenos, translated “calling on
            His name” refers either to action that is simultaneous with or before
            that of the main verb, “be baptized.” Here Paul’s calling on Christ’s
            name for salvation preceded his water baptism. The participle may be
            translated “having called on His name” which makes more sense, as it
            would clearly indicate the order of the events.

            4. Concerning the words, “be baptized, and wash away your sins,” because
            Paul was already cleansed spiritually at the time Christ appeared to
            him, these words must refer to the symbolism of baptism. Baptism is a
            picture of God’s inner work of washing away sin (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 Peter 3:21).

          • Edwin will fill posts to the brim in hopes of ‘converting’ you through tedium. It’s his reason for being.

          • “…must repent of their good works.”

            Where did you find this little gem Ed?? From your magic biblical comprehension course you began?

          • God commanded not to eat of the tree. He didn’t say they could eat of the good. Just like man made religion, a veneer of truth packed with a lie which corrupts the whole thing. At salvation the person is a new creature(2Cor. 5:17) old things are passed away. God makes new, not reformed or done over.
            Good done before salvation has no merit with God. They were done in an unregenerate state of being. Religious people trust in dead works(Hebrews 6:1) and if and when they’re saved they must repent of them.

          • No one is SAVED until the end. There is no salvation UNTIL the end. I think you are referring to baptism , which will wipe away ALL sin. But people do sin afterwards , after the cleansing action of baptism. So your terminology is off. You make implied notions where none apply Ed. You make accusations without knowing. Heb.6 talks about the apostles teaching the Christian doctrine to the catechumens: 1. They excited them to sorrow for their sins. 2. They required of them acts of faith in God and his Son Jesus Christ. 3. They explained the nature of Christ’s baptism, its virtue, and difference from the baptism of John the Baptist and others. 4. After baptism, they laid their hands on them, that they might receive the strengthening grace of the Holy Ghost in confirmation; and finally, they excited them to perseverance, by the hope of a glorious resurrection, and of eternal life, and by setting before their eyes eternal damnation as the consequence of apostacy.
            It has nothing to do with your inference that fundies often espouse.

            Which leads me here;

            What is the difference between your works and works of the CC?

          • Of course you’ll post no one is saved till the end because you’re lost and dead in your sins without the WITNESS of the indwelt Holy Spirit(Romans 8:16) that you’re a child of God.
            I have a personal relationship here and now with my Savior and a testimony to go with it to GLORIFY Him for saving me.
            Those in the early church certainly KNEW they were saved. That ye MAY KNOW ye have eternal life(1John 5:13).
            No testimony, no salvation, no salvation, no knowing Him.

          • Matt 10:22, 32 Jesus says, “You will be hated by all because of my name, but it is the one who HAS ENDURED to the end who will be SAVED. Therefore everyone who confesses me before men, I will also confess him before my father who is in heaven. . . .” . The context here is one of holding fast to our confession until death (see also 2 Tm 2:12 and Heb 4:14; 10:23-26).

            Finally, confessing Christ is done not only in word, but also in deed: “If any one does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his own family, he has disowned the faith and is worse than an unbeliever” (1 Tm 5:8).
            Thus the penalty for NOT DOING WORKS is severe, more so than for an unbeliever.
            The man who neglects his family for selfish pursuits denies Christ in his actions. The Bible records in many places extensive lists of sins whereby we can deny Christ, such as 1 Cor 6:9-10: “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.” Scripture never says the saved can do these things and still go to heaven.

          • Matt. 10:22.
            Christ is looking forward past the church age to the days of the
            Tribulation, the time of Jacob’s trouble, when the gospel will be
            carried throughout the entire world before Jesus Christ returns in power
            and glory to establish His kingdom on the earth (Matthew 24:14). In the similar context using similar words, Matthew 24:8-31
            (especially 24:13), the future Great Tribulation and the Second Advent
            are in view. As there, it would seem clear that the “coming of the Son
            of man” is eschatological here also. In keeping with their expectations
            from the Old Testament, such would have been more readily understood by
            the disciples. The endurance, then, is physical survival. While many
            will be martyred, a few will make to the end. Those who endure through
            the awful events of the tribulation will be alive or delivered by
            Messiah when he returns to earth. This is not a reference to eternal
            salvation from sin, but rather the deliverance of survivors at the end
            of the tribulation as stated in Romans 11:26,
            where the Deliver will save the nation Israel from its persecutors.
            Many will not endure to the end in that they will be martyred for their
            faith as described in Revelation 7:9-17.

          • Has nothing to do with the trib and everything to do with a person’s struggle with his soul while he is on earth. ” You will be hated” means believers will be hated for doing Christ’s work on earth, while ALIVE on earth. Not in the afterlife. Not about the trib. Fundy fabrication!
            Christ’s goal during His mission on earth was to proclaim the gospel and begin His church, of which men could be saved by Its means of sacraments.

          • I’m saved by GRACE through FAITH: NOT OF WORKS(Ephesians 2:8,9), PERIOD. You post a FALSE Catholic way and God says you’re ACCURSED(Galatians 1:8).
            My post of Matt. 10:22 is spot on and I posted the scripture connections and it most certainly has to do with the tribulation which is specifically for Israel.
            Christ’s goal was to seek and save that which is lost(Luke 19:10). I know all about Christ’s work and I don’t presume. I walk by faith(2Cor. 5:7) as I’m led by the Spirit(Galatians 5:16,18) not some pagan in Rome.

          • You and wolf spider are the only ones who believe as you. Opinions come cheap Ed. You ascertain you are spot on doesn’t or can’t do much of anything, can it Ed? Your opinions get ‘lost’. They don’t matter a hill of beans. What matters ONLY is the CC’s 2000 year history of wisdom, holiness and being the Bride of Christ, well, the ONLY ‘opinion’ that matters. No matter how many protestors of the CC exist, they do not possess the charism of the church, given to her by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. It never left the church Ed, which is something you fail to address. If it left or went underground to some unnamed , invisible church , then Christ would be a liar. That would indicate His church failed .

            You will be hated said Christ. I would say you indicate your hatred for the church as being true to Christ’s word.

            Galatians 1:8 does not indicate the CC. It refers to everyone else who decides to operate a church under their own auspices and not under the true vine.

          • So, according to you, when darkness is exposed suddenly it becomes light?LOL Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil(Isaiah 5;20).
            The true church was conceived by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost while the pagan CC came into existence 300 yrs. later.
            Scripture shows how simply the jailor was saved in Acts 16:30,31. Paul tells how to be saved in Acts 2:21; Romans 10:9,10,13. The fake CC way is totally foreign to that and that makes the CC accursed(Galatians 1:8). It’s full of lies and superstition. It exists like all cults on fear, wealth and control and I don’t see any transformed life in any practicing Catholic.

          • you are correct

            2 Timothy

            6 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith; 8 in the future there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day; and not only to me, but also to all who have loved His appearing.

    • Guess where that will get him.

    • They can’t shut us all up. We are a huge country & when our freedoms start being eroded & Christian faith is being suppressed, the true believers will start pushing back. Many times people just go with the flow but I’m sure there are others like me. I try to get along & not make waves, but there comes a point when you push me too far,I will fight back hard. I believe there are many Americans like me. I don’t think they can get enough people into submission. Maybe in the
      crumbling cities with large minorities that depend on government. They are already enslaved. I’ve lived out west for 25 years, 13 in Wyoming. I know they will fight to the death to keep what they have. Farmers & ranchers, in particular have worked hard to make it. I wouldn’t be surprised if we had a revolution or another civil war at some point. Better sign off. I can see I’m just rambling.insomnia does
      that to me.

    • Christianity is doing a pretty good job of snuffing itself out. You’re helping too with the “obama is muslim” garbage.

      • “0bama is Muslim” garbage? It is garbage, because he is garbage, but I am only stating what he has already stated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M

        • Yes, it is garbage as maybe all that comes from your delusional mind is too. You are grossly taking his comments out of context and your even sad enough to use a slip of tongue as evidence. You must be mentally ill to believe that. Plus you appear to suffer in the intelligence department.

  15. I most certainly do foresee the death of religion in our country. But the religions scheduled to die are Christianity and Judaism. The muslim religion will be elevated and I predict that a caliphate will be established right here in the good old USA. That will be another goal achieved by this administration.

  16. Joseph r carreiro sr

    Religion can possibly be erased but Spirituality cannot be touched. Spirituality is a graduation from Religion and cannot be erased.Opinion only,

    • Not opinion. It is fact. Religion is a set of does and don’ts adhered to by members of a “religion.” Faith, by contrast, is a set of beliefs. Islam and Orthodox Judaism are religions. Catholicism is a mix of religion and Faith. Pure Faith is a belief system without any rituals attached.

  17. US Christians have “turned the preverbial other cheek” far too long!
    We will no longer retreat!
    We will fight against Evil, Gangster Government, a tyrranical Judicary; i.e
    we will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them on the land, we will fight them in the air,we will fight them in the streets and towns,we will fight them in the arena of ideas, ideology, education;…
    we will NEVER SURRENDER!

  18. Joseph Le Bard

    I do believe in fairy’s, I do, I do. Enough joking seriouly this in no way change’s my faith , People create there own hell that’s sad but when a country’s change’s stead fast law’s that intrude on the vast majority of the population for a few then there is a problem, Appeal,vote them out of office , or rebel which one do you think the congreed’s would prefer I’ds have to go with appeal,Altho were not dealing with a level headed Suppreme court it’s corrupted with the 7 headed muslim beast that occupy ‘s our highest office he hasn’t showed all 7 head’s as of yet but you see where I’m coming from if not reply . An jesus alway’s be in your heart’s

  19. There should be no tax exemptions for ANY RELIGIOUS ENTITY!! Not for hindus, pagans, buddhist, muslims or christians. The public should not have to subsidize any religious entity. Need money for whatever you want to use it for, raise it within your own community, church or school. STOP FEEDING AT THE PUBLIC TROUGH!!

  20. Vernon Cunningham

    How can a law by the Justice department override the dfreedom of religion clause in the Bill of Right? That is a guarantee o the right to exercise your beliefs as long as they don’t run counter to laws that protect others. No beheadings, killings, rape etc. I don’t understand this New world Order thing. How can the old world be tossd aside to make a few happy?

  21. IF THE COUNTRY GOES LIKE RUANDA WE WILL ALL DIE IN CHURCHES INCLUDING THE ATHEISTS.

  22. Alleged Comment

    If a law or ruling is unconstitutional, immoral or unjust it NEED NOT BE OBEYED. Now is that so hard to do? Yet by obeying it you put the mentally ill on notice and with just a nudge you will put them out of business and a shove will start them running back to the asylum they came from.

  23. Mar 13:9 “But watch out for yourselves, for they will deliver you up to councils, and you will be beaten in the synagogues. You will be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations. 11 But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. 12 Now brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 13 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 “So when you see the ‘ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not” let the reader understand,”

    This is because many will believe the Anti-Christ Beast 666 is actually the true Messiah, and will not only give him their allegiance, but will try to persuade their resisting Christian friends and family members through force by delivering them into his hands.

    Luk 12:52 ” For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three. 53 Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”

    Mat 10:22 “And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.” Shabbat shalom!

  24. True Christians will always live out the “one another” verses. They will also know the persecution that was prevalent in the First Century and following, but they will have an inseparable bond which will strengthen and encourage them by God’s grace. The bottom line is that people do not change! The same ugly sinful nature flourishes in men today as it did then. It is known as the “World System” and Satan is still the Prince of this world! The spiritual war between God and Satan rages today as it has since the Garden. We see the results of that here in America where violence, social and sexual immorality, intellectual dishonesty, corruption and open hostility to God (He has been “thrown out” of our culture by the ACLU et al . . . they think!). Remember that believers are saved “out of the world” and translated “into the kingdom of His dear Son.” “We are in the world but not of the world.” In the near future, in God’s time known only to Him, true believers will suddenly be removed from the world in the Rapture. Those left behind will then experience the terrible but absolutely just wrath of God! Meanwhile we will suffer as did the Apostles and disciples as described in the Gospels and Epistles of the New Testament.

  25. The fate of same-sex marriage is nothing to do with religion. The term is not a religious term – although it is used in some form, in all religions. In particular, the Supreme Court is adjudicating its meaning in a strictly secular sense – which has major legal and tax consequences for the partners.
    Regarding the end of religion ? Probably not. It seems to hang on in some form in all societies, although it is clearly losing ground in the USA. I am utterly ambivalent about it. If you choose to believe in a religion – then not only are you protected from Government interference (with the important caveat – that the way you practice your religion may not break or intrude upon any other law) . And if it gives you peace and comfort, then so much the better. In my opinion it is something of a cop-out – it makes you intellectually lazy and passes an important part of your independence and decision making, along with morality – to some other person who you accept has the knowledge to guide you. Unfortunately, that is often very far from the truth.

  26. People we have to raise our voices NOW , to get rid of obama. He has just gone against the judge the held up him giving amnesty to illegals. HE IS A FIRST CLASS DICTATOR AND NE NEEDS TO GO NOW. OR I CAN SEE HUGE DAMAGE AHEAD FOR ALL OF US. !!!! He is acting as if he is KING AND HIS WORD IS LAW. This has got to be stopped now. With isis already in our country and that Pentagon has put our military post on alert. That means we are on our on. I’m sure he wanted this, you can bet your sweet as* he did. Just be ready people and keep your eyes open in the back of your head.

  27. Sylvester Jones

    One world faith and one world government is going to replace all religion with the Pope as the head.

  28. By my lights, the institutional church bears little resemblance to early, primitive Christianity, any way. The biblical model empowers individuals as members in particular of the body of Christ, with a ministry to perform and a destiny to fulfill. whereas the current dominant model assigns the people to a passive role of the “entertained”. Get into a small group. Better yet, start a mall group. It is, after all,” Christ in you, the hope of glory.”

  29. If one really believes in God, the answer to the article headline is “no”. When Jesus formed His Catholic Church, he said “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

  30. One amassing thing is that Christianity is growing in China.

    • It’s pretty amassing to me that you can’t even spell amazing. LOL!!

      • AMASSING. FUCKING AMASSING. THE GRAMMAR NAZI FUCKS IT UP AGAIN. WAY TO GO YOU DUMB FUCK. YOUR LEVEL OF STUPIDITY IS amASSing to me. You fucking coward bitch

  31. This could be the impetus to bring forth revival like never seen before in this country and the world.

  32. The feral government needs stay out of religious affairs. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!

  33. There is no way, but through HIM!

  34. Zewdie Teruneh

    GOD id in CONTROL.

  35. “The main course is a fundamental change in the fabric of the country.” This is something Obama promised on his first election night; little did we know the depths of his perversions and the breadth of his hatred for America. However, Christianity will never die out–that’s God’s promise–but in the US it might change in its organizational form, and if the Supreme Court doesn’t come to a wise and truly constitutional decision, much will change. Right now the bottom line is this: Satan is on a roll in America, primarily through his most influential agent, Barak Obama. So Christians, pray, because God promises that “the prayer of a righteous man availeth much.” It’s still not too late to take Him up on His promise.

  36. All laws under the sun came from the Ten Commandments. Every sound minded person knows that, any society that is without the fundamental Moral Law, which is the fruit of Mother Nature through Time and Space, that society will perish in the worst of ways! The OT had two very good examples. Only the Wise learns from the miss takes of History. Mother Nature has Her ways of solving Her problems, that is keeping Her Nature as She has seen it through out ages, that was before human beings were formed. Never to fool around with Mother Nature!

  37. They may shut down “religion” but true followers of Christ will serve him and make a way. We’ve been persecuted in the past and survived. We may meet in ways that are not conventional to what web become accustomed but we will adjust and we will be sustained by The Lord.

  38. We are truly living in the end days. Churches will, indeed, be forced to go underground…as seen in other countries through the ages. Remember though that WE (each and every believer) are the church, and that the government can NEVER stop our love for the Holy Trinity.

    satan be damned!!!

  39. [Are We Living in Religion’s Last Days?] No! But we are certainly living in the last days of the age of God’s Grace. Religion is man’s attempt of reach out to God… Christianity is God’s attempt to reaching out to us… Most have failed to understand the difference…
    Man choses to seek to fulfill his own lustful desires; whereas we should be seeking to fulfill the desires that God has for our lives…
    Those that lived in Sodom and Gomorrah were seeking to fulfill their lust for each other and we certainly know how that turned out… Just as the out come for the innocent children there in Sodom and Gomorrah; so too will our innocent children be the same thanks to these perverts…. All the world is following the same path of destruction but America will be the next nation to reach the same out come of that of Sodom and Gomorrah… The fire will fall from the East to the West, it will split the midnight hour from the East to the West and America will be no more.
    I have cried a lot of tears over the last 21 years knowing that God has never allowed the destruction of a nation nor of it’s people before sending His warning hoping that the hearts of the people might turn to Him to be saved…. And also knowing that one day soon our time will be up and the Russian’ and Chinese’ missiles will drop all across a well deserving nation which has embraced the abominations of homosexuality, abortion and the rejection of God’s Holy Word…

  40. Jerry Llewellyn

    One can simply go into the quiet of woodlands and see the wonders of God, sit and contemplate the beauty of nature and be as close to God as one in any Church.

  41. Jerry Llewellyn

    The 10 Commandments are basic rules of intelligent species
    survival. Those that do not at least try to live by those rules, whether
    religious or not, will eventually self destruct and become extinct.

    If the world survives another 50-100 generations, there will
    be only one predominate race. Also one world economy. The world will either be
    totally democratic or totally dictatorial. There will probably be a world
    leader with the world broken down into sectors. Each sector will have a leader
    and as many delegated or elected subordinates as it takes to govern the
    populous of the sector. There may be space colonies or colonies on other
    planets. All depends upon our survival as a species; race does not matter.

    WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT DEATH:
    Death is certain but the Bible speaks about untimely death! Make a personal reflection about this. Very interesting, read until the end please.

    It is written in the Bible (Galatians 6:7): “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”

    Here are some men and women who mocked God:

    JOHN LENNON: Some years before, during his interview with an American Magazine,
    he said: “Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue
    about that. I am certain. Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, today
    we are more famous than Him” (1966). Lennon, after saying that the Beatles
    were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

    TANCREDO NEVES (President of Brazil ): During the Presidential campaign, he
    said if he got 500,000 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from
    Presidency. Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made
    President, then he died.

    CAZUZA (Bi-sexual Brazilian composer, singer and poet): During a show in
    Canecïo ( Rio de Janeiro ), whilst
    smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said:
    “God, that’s for you.” He died at the age of 32 of AIDS in a horrible
    manner.

    THE MAN WHO BUILT THE TITANIC: After the
    construction of the Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would
    be. With an ironic tone he said: “Not even God can sink it” The
    result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic.

    MARILYN MONROE: She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a
    show. He said the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her. After hearing
    what the Preacher had to say, she said: “I don’t need your Jesus”. A
    week later, she was found dead in her apartment.

    BON SCOTT: The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang:
    “Don’t stop me, I’m going down all the way, down the highway to
    hell”. On the 19th of February
    1980, Bon Scott was found dead, he had been choked by his own
    vomit.

    CAMPINAS/SP IN 2005: In Campinas, Brazil a group of friends, drunk, went to
    pick up a friend. The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried
    about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter – holding her
    hand, who was already seated in the car: “MY DAUGHTER, GO WITH GOD AND
    MAY HE PROTECT YOU.”

    She responded: “ONLY IF HE

    (GOD) TRAVELS IN THE TRUNK, CAUSE INSIDE HERE IT’S ALREADY FULL”.
    Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident,
    everyone had died, the car could not be recognized what type of car it had
    been, but surprisingly, the trunk was intact.

    The police said there was no way the trunk could have remained intact. To their
    surprise, inside the trunk was a crate of eggs, none
    were broken.

    CHRISTINE JEWITT: A Jamaican Journalist and entertainer, said the

    Bible (Word of God) was the worst book ever written, in June 2006 she was found
    burnt beyond recognition in her motor vehicle.

    Many more important people have forgotten that there is no other name that was
    given so much authority as the name of Jesus. Many have died, but only Jesus
    died and rose again, and he is still alive. JESUS!!!

    What benefit does it have, if a man gains the whole world but loses his soul?
    What can man give in exchange of his soul?”

    (Matthew 16:26).

    AMEN

  42. The day all religions are gone and people start living in peace will be a day to celebrate an end to tribalism. Its a good thing.

  43. As long as the U.S. Constitution means nothing to both political parties, then anything—any kind of totalitarian corruption—is possible. Since it is abundantly clear that the U.S. government, whether governed by either party, will not adhere to the constitutional, the populace has no choice but to revolt. A revolt is still many years away, so things will just get worse until a revolt is possible.

  44. The silver lining of churches losing their tax-exempt status may well be that churches will start preaching what should be preached from the pulpit that’s not being preached now because of fear of losing their tax-exempt status.

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