Are Anti-Discrimination Laws Unconstitutional?

Christian bakery owners Melissa and Aaron Klein just wanted to make a go out of their Oregon-based business. However, they weren’t willing to compromise their beliefs for the sake of making a buck. When a lesbian couple approached them in 2013 to ask for a wedding cake, they politely declined. That’s when the you-know-what hit the fan. Feeling discriminated against, the lesbian couple – Rachel Cryer and Laurel Bowman – filed an official complaint against Sweet Cakes by Melissa. Oregon officials naturally ruled in their favor.

As a result of the “violation,” the Kleins may have to pay exorbitant fines to the state. They have already lost their physical business location due to the furor created by gay right advocates. Now the Kleins operate their business out of their home.

Let’s be clear. If the Kleins are experiencing a severe downturn in their business because customers are voluntarily boycotting the store, that’s the nature of free speech and free market capitalism. You have the right to say what you want in this country, but customers can choose what they do with their spending dollar. If the Kleins want to complain about how they’ve been treated by the community, that’s a separate issue and one I’m not particularly interested in.

What is much more interesting is whether anti-discrimination laws that force business owners to serve everyone equally are really Constitutional. We’ve already seen from the Supreme Court’s controversial Hobby Lobby decision that federal law can’t force an owner to betray their own religion. Perhaps it’s time to draw the natural conclusion that this should also apply to couples unwilling to bake cakes for lesbian weddings.

Speaking out on her Facebook page on Monday, Melissa Klein explained that our culture has accepted “2 huge lies.”:

The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. Second is that to love someone means that you must agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.

In a country that enforces anti-discrimination laws when it comes to everything from hiring practices to sports, it may be time to take a step back and evaluate. When did it become a matter of common sense that a business owner should have to serve everyone and anyone who walks in the door? What happened to the Kleins’ business following the scandal is a perfect example of the free market in action. If people don’t like what you’re doing, they won’t spend their money in your store. Why can’t that be the end of it?

There’s no protection against discrimination in our Constitution. When it comes to government institutions, laws against discrimination make sense as they comply with the 14th Amendment. When it comes to the private sector, however, business owners should be able to refuse service at will. If that means they don’t want to serve blacks, Hispanics, white people, pregnant women, or droids, that should be their right. If others decide they don’t want to support such bigotry, then it’s within their right not to shop there.

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  1. why is refusing to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple discrimination but an insurance companies refusal to issue a policy to someone because of their spouses history not,apparently insurance companies have deeper pockets

    • Can’t say it any better than that.

      • I worked for an insurance company for 12 years and they DO discriminate in EVERY way. The questions asked cover every part of your life and determine your coverage and the premium you pay. Your family history is just as important as your health to be insured.

        • I worked for insurance companies too, and the ones I worked for only demanded a six month waiting period (after which the person was accepted for that insurance) for pre existing conditions.

        • Any other way would mean tax payers buy insurance for tax users
          Another name is Pinocchiobamascare.

    • Thankfully, the ACA has made it illegal for insurance companies to do this.

      • Illegal and unaffordable stupid

      • and for many, unaffordable. Now you’ll be fined for something you can’t afford, brilliant!

        • That is just one of the things that Barack has done for you that we just don’t appreciate according to Moochelle or Mike or Mark or whatever. LMFAO. The government can’t even run the Government who thought it would be a good idea to let them into your Health Care. Then let the most corrupt Department in Government administer it. Sounds like a good plan to me, dumbasses take it from me when they tell you they are here to help run don’t walk the other way as fast and as far as you can.

      • Actually it didn’t. They can’t refuse you insurance but they can refuse to cover it. You don’t get any say in what type of treatment you receive or what doctor you see.

        • Judy, I’m not about to defend the insurance companies; I think they are scum. They have always had the ability to refuse to cover/make payment for various treatments depending on the plan. They made sure to bake this into the ACA too.

          • Insurance is gambling, the insurance company bets you won’t get sick, and the policy holder bets he will. Taking away the gambling aspect will drive up the cost.

          • Well, you have always had the option of simply paying out of pocket for your medical care! Why is it that people think that Medical Insurance is a Right? PLEASE!!

          • We’re waaay off topic in this thread, but a great many have been paying out of pocket for a while now. We came to a point where those without insurance were unable to afford or pay for catastrophic medical expenses, and this has been getting passed on to everyone else. Now, in pure a purely Capitalistic system, we’d just let them die if no charity came to their aid – I don’t think this country can handle a conversation like that though, so we’ve got the mess we do now.

          • Catastrophic care was ALWAYS covered prior to the ACA at all county hospitals. So, that is a complete misrepresentation of the facts!

            In a purely Capitalistic Society, competition drives down prices, not the other way around!

          • Covered by who/what at these county hospitals? Tax dollars? Other patients? Magic?

          • it is covered by a fund that is/was mandated from the other patient fees and costs that are built into the price of hospital services… Has been done that way for years! Everyone thinks that the ACA would shift that burden, but in FACT it doesn’t… Because those who cannot afford the “insurance” don’t pay anyway (they just pay the IRS fine, if they even file)!

          • Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. You should get off your ass and actually read the calamity that the ACA is.

          • Erin Dougherty

            I have. This is all about choices, and i would love to hear your solution, including Medicare.

          • Roll it back, it wasn’t the best but it actually worked a lot better than what we have now.

            Millions of people who could afford good working insurance, who have preexisting conditions lost their insurance and cannot get it back. They no longer have coverage that actually means a damn as they are paying MORE for the insurance, and getting LESS coverage. Tripling monthly payments with a new 10K deductible. It’s nuts.

    • Money buys influence and politicians necessary to achieve their goals . Something insurance companies have plenty of!

    • Because you don’t understand the Constitution. There are certain characteristics that you can’t base your discrimination on. Those different characteristics, give rise to different levels of constitutional scrutiny, and the basis for the discrimination. But since the majority of you have no understanding of constitutional law, you ask stupid questions like this

      • Fedupwiththefeds

        That’s a little harsh. The average person doesn’t study constitutional law so when such questions are asked, why do you feel the need to be degrading? She had a valid question. I don’t understand how this case would be different from the Hobby Lobby decision since both are based off of the beliefs of their religion. Can you explain that to me without being degrading?

        • You don’t understand the difference between not forcing a corporation to pay money for birth control v discriminating against a customer for sexual orientation? Its difficult because Hobby Lobby was a really shitty decision that tends to blur the lines. But basically in constitutional law analysis there are levels of scrutiny, or tests to determine whether something passes constitutional muster. In the Hobby Lobby case the court felt the government could find less intrusive ways to provide this type of coverage to the employees. But the highest test, or “strict scrutiny” applies when you are discriminating against someone due to an immutable trait. In other word, base on gender, skin color, sexual orientation. In this case you have to balance the interests. Was it so burdensome on the baker to make a cake that reads, Congratulations, Sue and Pat ? Was that really against their religion??

          • Fedupwiththefeds

            I understand what you’re saying but in both cases their religious beliefs were brought into the equation. I’m not saying anyone was right or wrong. In Hobby Lobby, the case was taken to court because of the owners religious beliefs in regards to birth control. In the bakery, they refused service based on their religious belief regarding homosexuality. The courts ruled that a corporation is an individual, correct? So how do you separate the two cases because they both state thatj their religious beliefs are a factor in the decisions that they made. I’m trying to word this the best I can so forgive me if I’m not clear. I’m only trying to understand where the line gets drawn.

          • A corporation cannot have faith in a God. Its managers can and they run the corporation. Taking contraceptives or using devices to attempt to prevent pregnancy is a private, personal choice. I am unable to understand why one’s employer has to get involved in
            providing ANY form of contraception for either she or he. First thing you know we’ll be
            demanding the employer pay for our food, our cars, our homes, our clothing, our medications. To me, the entire idea is insane. Leave the employers OUT of the contraceptive arena. Why not JUST SAY NO!

          • I agree that the government should not be making decisions for us regarding birth control. Neither should our employers. What I am wanting to know is where does the line get drawn in determining how our religious beliefs determine the outcome of a court case. Why aren’t these two cases using the basis of religion in the same manner?

          • Good question Fedup. Under the Constitution the government is not allowed to prohibit free exercise of “religious” belief. Atheists are trying to strike this from the Constitution.

          • You sound like you think you know a lot, but perhaps you need to read up on the Hobby Lobby policy and position. They DO cover contracion, 16 different types. What thy DON’T cover is 4 different types of aboryuou know, drugs that terminate pregnancy after conception. Now if you’d like to argue whether a fertilized egg that has begun cell division is a human being or not, be my guest. It has it’s own DNA, possibly it’s blood type, and just like you, needs nothing but nourishment and shelter to survive and grow. I say that because I’ve heard the silly argument that “if abortion is murder, masturbation is genocide” or removing a tumor or washing your skin is too. Bit those don’t compare, since neither will potentially produce a person given nourishment and shelter.

          • Excuse my errors – “contraception” – “types of abortifacients, you know” and “but” not bit.

            Swype from my phone seriously sucks on disqus.

          • Spellcheckers can screw up things. When I type “raghead” my checker changes it to “facecloth.” No kidding. But this time it changed it to “raged.”

          • I agree with you about employers making their own decisions about this but perhaps you need to read up
            on the Hobby Lobby policy and position. They DO cover contraception, 16
            different types. What thy DON’T cover is 4 different types of abortifacients you
            know, drugs that terminate pregnancy after conception. Now if anyone would like
            to argue whether a fertilized egg that has begun cell division is a
            human being or not, they can be my guest. It has it’s own DNA, possibly it’s
            blood type, and just like everyone on the planet, needs nothing but nourishment and shelter
            to survive and grow. I say that because I’ve heard the silly argument
            that “if abortion is murder, masturbation is genocide” or removing a
            tumor or washing your skin is too. But those don’t compare, since
            neither will potentially produce a person given nourishment and shelter.

            And if you want someone to blame about how health insurance is so tied up to employment – blame federal policy since it is just another detrimental aspect of market control from when they decided to give tax breaks to companies that offered employee insurance.

          • Again! Government should stay out of the private sector when personal choice is the question. You don’t want babies then quit screwing around. Don’t run to your employer or the government to cover up YOUR mistakes. I’m fed up with my tax dollars going to “fix” other peoples’ mistakes and keep their mistakes on taxpayer funds. You can’t afford a baby–THEN DON’T HAVE ONE. I cannot afford a Hummer II. I don’t run to the Courts or Congress and demand that somebody GIVE me a Hummer II in the name of “equal outcome.” Yes, I’ve seen several people in new Escalades pay for fast food with EBT (food stamp) cards. If I buy an Escalade do I qualify for an EBT card and it’s free food? Something is out of balance with this EBT stuff.

          • That is insane: “—masturbation is genocide” –the killing of a large group of people.” Who came up with that idea, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Elizabeth Warren? WHO? That concept takes the cake in the insanity section. Keep government social engineering out of our private lives! Better yet, stop social engineering totally.

          • To me all this is simply mental masturbation and leads to nothing productive.

          • Thats what most people say about discussions that they don’t understand

          • And your response above is the one people give when anyone exercises her/his right to not participate in something in which she/he has little or no interest. Chattering here changes nothing regarding the company or the issue of birth control which is a private matter of the employee(s). Today we have too much government intervention in private matters relative to people wanting somebody else to pay for their private choices. You want children? Fine. You take care of them. You don’t want children? Then take precautions to prevent
            conception–AT YOUR OWN EXPENSE. I don’t want financial involvement in your private choices. I agree with Henry David Thoreau’s “They are best governed who are least governed” and the late Margaret Thatcher’s “Socialism is fine until you run out of other people’s money.”

          • And out of the other side of your mouth you’ll be preaching about what a woman can and can’t do with her body. Hypocrite

          • For the record Mr. King now produce the text from “the other side of my mouth.” Only your clairvoyance will be able to do that. I’m anxious to know what I allegedly will be preaching. And while you’re at it post tomorrow’s news headlines. I look forward to your revelations. Thanks.

          • Hogwash. In a free country, I do not have to bake your cake….

          • Thank you Maryann33. Nor should WE have to pay for someone else’s mistakes made in a bedroom. I don’t give a hoot about what other people do privately. Just don’t come running to me as a taxpayer and try to force me to put out the personal fire that you ignited.

          • TeaParty Patriot


      • Really? And you are qualified to make this statement based on what?

        The Constitution does NOT give the government a RIGHT to force a PRIVATE COMPANY to serve ANYONE!

        The Constitution is was written to LIMIT GOVERNMENT power, not individual freedom and liberty!

        If there is to be EQUAL JUSTICE under the law, that applies to both business owner and customer. Just as you have the RIGHT not to purchase my goods, I have the RIGHT not to sell them to you based on whatever reason I chose!

        As stated previously, I think it is a VERY poor business practice to limit your customer base! So, I personally would never do that… However, there is a HUGE difference between what is Constitutional and what is prudent business.

        Government has overstepped their bounds on this and all other “discrimination laws”.

        This is, IMHO, just like the smoking bans… It is completely understandable to not allow smoking in government buildings. It is NOT however, Constitutional to tell a PRIVATE BUSINESS that they cannot allow it. The customer will decide if they do or do not want to be a patron of a PRIVATE BUSINESS who allows smoking. That is a BUSINESS decision, not a decision that should be decided in court!

        • The smartest thing you said, actually the only smart thing you said is “IMHO” Because what you said was all limited to your opinion. Constitutionally, you’re flat wrong. And I know that because you read web pages that manufacture fake news stories, you think you know more than all of the previous Supreme Justices, but you don’t

          • Again “Jimmy”… cite the Constitutional clause you refer to making the refusal of service unConstitutional! You ignorant ASS!

          • MJB. I wish I had the time to teach you about Constitutional Law, but I have more important things to do. The Constitution does not say “It is Unconstitutional to refuse service based on sexual preference” The Supreme Court through the Equal protection clause has provided this protection. Maybe you’d like to come out of your mom’s basement and read a little bit about the different levels of scrutiny used to make determinations under the Equal Protection Clause, and the balancing test used in Constitutional matters. Get back to me in 2016 when you’re finally able to understand

          • Oh Jimmy… How wrong you are…

            The “law” applies to STATE GOVERNMENTS, NOT Private businesses!

            The Equal Protection Clause is part of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The clause, which took effect in 1868, provides that ‘no state’ shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction “the equal protection of the laws”.

            A primary motivation for this clause was to validate and perpetuate the equality provisions contained in the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which guaranteed that all people would have rights equal to those of white citizens. As a whole, the Fourteenth Amendment marked a large shift in American constitutionalism, by applying substantially more constitutional restrictions against the states than had applied before the Civil War.

            The meaning of the Equal Protection Clause has been the subject of much debate, and inspired the well-known phrase “Equal Justice Under Law”. This clause was the basis for Brown v. Board of Education (1954), the Supreme Court decision that helped to dismantle racial segregation, and also the basis for many other decisions rejecting discrimination against people belonging to various groups.

            The Equal Protection Clause itself applies only to state governments. However, the Supreme Court held in Bolling v. Sharpe (1954) that equal protection requirements apply to the federal government through the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.

          • Do you think a restaurant should be allowed to deny service to african americans?

          • Whether I think they should be able to or whether they should are two different matters.

            If I owned a restaurant I would NEVER limit my patrons! But I do NOT believe that the government has the right to tell a business owner MUST serve ANYONE!

            I believe it is the most ridiculous business decision on the planet to tell anyone you don’t want their business!

            But, I do NOT believe that the government has the RIGHT to tell a PRIVATE business who they MUST serve.

            The entire basis of the 14th Amendment and the “Equal Protection” as to make sure that “STATE GOVERNMENTS” did not discriminate, not PRIVATE businesses!

          • The Court believes the commerce clause gives them that right

          • But apparently you know more than the Justices of the Supreme Court, when it comes to Constitutional analysis

          • That would not be hard to do…The Supremes are now a mess. They have been chosen for the wrong reasons.

          • They added a gay rights clause…So we need to cancel that law and go back to the original constitution that gave us freedom….Gays are not special.

          • I think you must take this personally and want your gay rights.

        • Based on a masters degree (LLM) in Constitutional Law and my knowledge of Constitutional Jurisprudence. Maybe you should do a little reading on hos courts determine whether a law comports with the constitution and the different levels of scrutiny applied to those tests. The lowest level of scrutiny would be applied to a “No shirt, no shoes, no service” rule at a business. The need for the business to protect customers far outweighs the customers need to be shirtless. But you can not deny service to a customer on the basis of his race. There is no legitimate business purpose for that rule and the customer can not change his race. Race is an immutable trait. Historically, age,race, gender, etc were considered immutable and thus held to the highest standard of constitutional review. As the law caught up with science, sexual preference was added. So there is a huge difference between not serving a gay person, and not serving a person wearing no shirt.

          I know you have opinions of what a private business ca and can not do, but really thats all they are, your opinions. And quite simply, they’re wrong in the context of our constitution

      • I understand the constitution, and constitutional law. The 14th only applies to the Government, not private industry.

        • And who does the civil rights act apply to?

          • Just because there’s a law, doesn’t mean it passes the sniff test for Constitutionality.

          • According to you. But according to the Supreme Court it does. And in this great country, the constitutionality of a law is still determined by the Supreme Court, and not some nitwit in his mom’s basement

          • Oh yes because growing wheat in your back yard for personal consumption actually impacts interstate commerce.

            Grow up. The Government is not here to help you. Go look at how well they’ve done by the American Indians.

          • Not sure why you hate our constitution and this great nation. Maybe you should go to Iran and live there

          • I love our constitution, I hate the government that is tearing it apart.

        • Correct. Amendment XIV, Section 1 applies only to government.

      • King you are boorish. You come across here as if you wrote constitutional law on Mt. Sinai.

    • Because you don’t understand Constitutional Law. I’m not saying either is right, but some things are protected by the constitution. There are 3 levels of scrutiny used to determine if a law is constitutional Generally when a trait is deemed immutable, the law is held to the strictest level of scrutiny. race, sex, color are all immutable. As the law has caught up with science, sexual preference has joined those other classifications That is why you can’t discriminate against gay people or people of color, but you can against someone who chooses to smoke and has lung cancer. Smoking is not an immutable trait

  2. I’d love to see a test case where the business was owned by homosexuals or lesbians. Perhaps a sign-making business, where a Christian man asks to have a sign made for his business and the sign includes the words “Our nations needs to return to its Biblical beliefs”. If the sign company owners refused to make the sign would the courts intervene and put them out of business?

    I seriously doubt it.

    • Rocky63 that is a perfect idea and one I WILL do, in fact I’ll do it in the heart of San Francisco….

    • This cake didn’t have 2 woman on the top of it. This cake didn’t say “HAPPY LESBIAN WEDDING” It was just a cake, like every other cake. It was going to leave their shop and go off to who knows where. Baking the cake did not violate their beliefs in the least. They should STFU and bake

      • What cake flag? They didn’t bake it. STFU and go back to your gay lefty sites. People do have the right to say NO.

        • This couple believes Homosexuality is Sin…Capital sin, which it is. They did not want to contribute to sin and bloody their own hands with it.

          • I also believe it is a sin. I do not hate the sinners but will stand my ground rather aggressively when they try to force their sins on us. They have no right to do so. I live in Texas and we have no laws protecting homosexuals from discrimination. People need to wake up. Since we got a couple in the White House they think they can do as they please. They will have a rude awakening one day if they do not repent.

      • Or is it Jimmie Queen?

      • Go wash your Rainbow honey, it’s a little frayed ………

      • WTF are you mumbling here Jimmy King? There had to be special requirements for the cake, had they just walked in and ordered a cake with their names on it, there would have been no discussion. But they had to be kissy touching or explaining that the two were going to get married. Rubbed the owners the wrong way and they refused service, nothing wrong with that except political correctness on the part of the State!

        • Actually there is something wrong with that. It’s called the Constitution. I’m not sure why you hate the constitution and this wonderful country so much, but if that’s how you feel, why don’t you move to Iran

          • You have made what appears to be an assumption Jimmy. When you assume you make an ASS of U and ME! Oh yeah, do you know one or both of the wedding duo? Where do you get your insider info you stupid dip? You are bringing a knife to a gun fight when you try to put words in my mouth

          • I’d never make an ass out of you Terry. You don’t need my help

          • There is no Constitutional basis for this ruling… It is a statute which violate the basis of the Constitution.

            Please cite the clause and section of the Constitution that applies.

        • They ordered a cake with two woman’s names on it. They weren’t both in the store when they ordered it. Get your facts right Terry. Wait Terry, is that a girls name or a guys name? I can’t tell. Should I refuse to allow you entry into my business because of your name?

      • There’s a state law there specifically banning businesses from denying service to people based on their sexual orientation. It was was passed by the Oregon assembly and signed by the governor. If they don’t like it, Oregonians can vote them out of office and get the law changed. The rest of you hypocrites can indeed STFU.

        • Fedupwiththefeds

          There is also a business that caters specifically to the gay community. I believe it has something to do with housing. Would they rent to a straight person? No, as someone has tried to rent and was turned down because they weren’t gay. Their advertising material only applies to gays. Isn’t that discrimination against straights? How is that different?

        • So I guess a child molester, or some other rapist would get a free ride in Oregon also to be politically correct????

          • Firstly Terry, did you just put child molesters into the same category with lesbians and gay people? Child molester and rapists are criminals, get it?
            Secondly, what do you mean by “free ride”?

        • That “law” would be unConstitutional.

          • MJB, perhaps, but I doubt it. There have always been cases where things enumerated in the Bill of Rights conflict with each other. In our peaceful society, the courts always work it out and eventually it becomes settled law.

      • Of course the cake didn’t have 2 women (not “woman”) on the top. It hadn’t been made yet.

        Do you really know what the customers wanted on the cake? I doubt it.

      • You just don’t get it! I (and everyone else) has the RIGHT to freely contract (or not) with whom we choose. If I choose not to contract for services with someone, that is my RIGHT.

        The RIGHT to contract is a fundamental RIGHT… And according to Maranda v AZ 384 US… “Where rights as secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which will abrogate them”.

        My RIGHT allows for me to contract (or not) with whom I choose! I do not have an obligation to serve someone regardless of my reasoning… As I have said previously however… Personally, I think the bakery in this instance is making a “Poor Business Decision”… As I think, it is just a cake and their money spends the same as anyone else’s. But that is not my or anyone else’s decision to make other than the bakers…

        • You do not have a fundamental right to discriminate. You can quote any case law you’d like out of context, you’re wrong and the Court has said so repeatedly

    • VERY good point rocky63. It should work both ways. But I think Leftists don’t like two-way streets.

    • If it’s good for those getting goosed it’s good for those who ain’t. I agree

  3. Chris_in_Kalifornia

    Actually yes, the anti-discrimination laws are unconstitutional, just like any law that tells an individual what they have to buy or sell.

    Anyone who discriminates against someone, for whatever reason, be it skin color or ethnic ancestry is stupid to give up that income. Anyone who is religious to the point of knowing that engaging in homosexual acts is considered an abomination by God, as stated in the bible, should be willing to forgo the income from such customers. But no one should be forced to violate their religious beliefs.

    People who try to force others to violate their religious beliefs could much more easily just go to another vendor and get what they need. Might be though that they are not interested in the “cake” at all, but are simply trying to destroy someone who doesn’t believe in what they do. That’s a lot like the Muslims. Don’t want to be a Muslim, cut off your head. I have no doubt that the homosexual mafia types would be quite happy to cut off Christian’s heads if they could get away with it.

    • They are all stupid! The Baker for refusing to bake the Cake, the couple for not just going somewere else for a cake, and last but not least the Judge, for not just throwing the 4 of them out on their butts!

      • We have today a faction of people who are out to stir things up. Their stated goal is not their
        real goal. They are testing the system to see who they can haul into court. They clamor about
        THEIR rights while they trample rights of those who hold different views. It’s hypocrisy. Personally I don’t give hoot who sleeps with who, lives with who, or loves who. That’s private and I respect privacy even if I’m not involved in the same activity. Criminal activity is a different matter.
        The gay community rightfully got pie in the face when it boycotted Chic-fil-A enabling that food service to rake in over a millions dollars extra from supportive customers. So for me when there is a dispute about serving someone the Court of Common Sense decision is IFYOU DON’T LIKE DOING BUSINESS WITH SOMEONE, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. ****Consider this in the US Constitution “Congress shall . . . make no laws prohibiting the free exercise thereof (religion). (paraphrased) All magistrates are bound by the Constitution to abstain from judgements that
        compromise a person’s Faith beliefs. …or the magistrate should be impeached for violating her/his oath.

        • You’re a moron. This isn’t a law written by congress infringing on their religious beliefs. What is you had a “church of Arsonist” Would I be within my “free exercise rights” to burn down your church? If you don’t know what the constitution says, don’t try to quote it

          • I know what the US Constitution says. I think your answer goes with somebody else’s post. Your response does not match my comment. Try again. I prefer to refrain from the juvenile habit of name calling.

          • The reply was to you……”All magistrates are bound by the Constitution to abstain from judgements that compromise a person’s Faith beliefs. …or the magistrate should be impeached for violating her/his oath.”

            Clearly, you do not understand Constitutional law

          • So I do not understand Constitutional Law. No I do not hold a degree in jurisprudence. But that is not necessary when the language of the Constitution is clear: Congress shall make no law respecting religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof….. No magistrate can hand down a decision about Faith/religious beliefs other than to back off and leave it alone. What is there to understand about that? The Constitution is clear on that. Just as it is either high noon or midnight at a specific location on the equator. It’s one or the other.
            Neither the Congress nor any magistrate can order me in any matter of Faith or no Faith.

          • Mr. King your civility needs some cleaning and polishing. Neither I nor anyone here has said anything about a law written by the Congress infringing on anyone’s religious beliefs.
            You started with something about law written by Congress then you jumped to something about church arsonist and you and a question about free exercise rights to burn down my church. Then you tell me if I don’t know what the Constitution says so don’t try to quote it.
            Your thought pattern is erratic like a rat running in a maze. Are you on some kind of mind altering drug? Your posts are pointing in that direction. Just want to be up front and let you know.

          • I’ll type slower next time so you can understand

        • I think it is funny that the guy died and his son came out of the closet as a big homo! That is just a kick in the ass to the old dead bigot!

      • I rule in favor of the magistrate throwing the case into a trash can. There’s too much of this babble taking up valuable court time. I’ve been into businesses where they did not have something I needed. Or it was closed for the day. I don’t think it prudent to file a suit against the owner(s) because they inconvenienced me. Like that stupid woman who held hot coffee in her crotch and it burned her. WELL STUPID! You should know better than drive around with hot coffee held between your legs. But she thought she could get a windfall of money from McDonalds–and I understand the firm gave her $176000. I would not give her a cent. Her little game worked for her and this is just one example of why insurance premiums run high. We have nut cakes with jackleg attorneys out to sue anybody they can to get money out of. High insurance premiums?

    • I avoid Christians like the plague! They are evil and full of BS with their fairytale beliefs! I will not turn down anyone that has millions to spend, because I will make hundreds of thousands!

      • Yachty, Speakin of fairy tails, my guess, is that your only beliefs cum from 6″to8″ portions, am I correct? Does your paddle boat cum with a name on it? Like Gypsy Queen, or Silly Savage?

        • I know Gay Christians…I think they are delusional as well! First off, if Jesus even existed (which I doubt) he would have not qualified as the Messiah! He doesn’t even come close. Dude, my sex life is none of your business. Like you doing your wife’s dried up old box is none of my business!

          • I’m Sorry about thinking your Gay! You’ve got way deeper problems, than being Gay! Losing your Soul, Is the other problem! God gave you a Free Will, try making better decisions with it!

          • I am good with G’d…….he treats me really well! Life is great! I don’t think Gay people have any problems! The make more money, have more disposable income, have larger penis’ and generally have less stress! Also to be noted, the raise healthier children.

          • Sorry YACHTY, the things that matter to you, dosen’t interest me in the least! Sounds like you’ve got the wrong meaning of the good life….there’s more to life, than money, less stress, a larger penis, and above all, gay’s with children, teaching them that it’s a normal life style… well young minds are influenced fairly easy while their young, and hopefully they’ll turn out to be good, Christian people, made up from good morals values! Have good life?

          • Considering 99.9% of Gays have heterosexual parents, I don’t think a fear of homosexual parents breeding gays is founded! Personally I would disown my kid if he became a Christian (personally I don’t think your cult has a chance with my boy’s), Seriously, I have friends that say they are Christians, but they just do Christmas and Easter Brunch…..Both of which are from the Egyptian Book of the Dead.

          • Bill Ingval, You are right, “YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID”, and as far as your kid’s are concerned, God’s Will Be Done, On Earth As It Is In Heavan!

          • My boys attend a Jewish Day School. They will be taught not to marry outside the faith, whether they marry a female or male. Mixed marriages always end in divorce.

          • I DON’T CARE! I’ve heard enough from you about your life, apparently, nothing else matters as long as your ok! I’ve heard and said enough! Thanks

          • Here you go a picture of the first Gay wedding at Annapolis Naval Academy!

      • Not everyone is money hungry. Some people are willing to lose a dollar if it means violating their religious beliefs.

      • Good for you yachty. You know how to do business. I’m told *Money cannot buy happiness but it can quiet the nerves.” Whatever. I wouldn’t know…I’m not wealthy. Consider this, in the eventual outcome if there IS a Heaven and the teachings of Yeshua (Jesus) turn out to be factual will your wealth buy you a ticket into a “next life?” You don’t have to post an answer here.

        • Seriously? If Jesus existed (which I don’t think he did) he did not fullfil the requirements as the messiah! So keep your delusion, I will stick to reality! Money will pay to extend my life and then freeze me until they find the answer!

          • Yuck, you aren’t worth keeping around.

          • Wasn’t going to get in this but, exactly what are the requirements for Messiah and where are they posted, just wondering. Stating that you have a 12″ Dildo only confirms cotton’s statement, silly boy dildos are for girls.

          • Ok, 60% of heterosexual couples engage in anal sex (Male and female). There is an HBO class late at night showing wives with dildo’s doing their hubbies!

            This is for you!

            25 0 0

            The Jewish tradition of “The Messiah” has its foundation in numerous biblical references, and understands “The Messiah” to be a human being – without any overtone of deity or divinity – who will bring about certain changes in the world and fulfill certain criteria before he can be acknowledged as “The Messiah”.

            First of all, he must be Jewish – “…you may appoint a king over you, whom the L-rd your G-d shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set as king over you.” (Deuteronomy 17:15)

            He must be a member of the tribe of Judah – “The staff shall not depart from Judah, nor the sceptre from between his feet…” (Genesis 49:10)

            To be a member of the tribe of Judah, the person must have a biological father who is a member of the tribe of Judah.

            He must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon, his son – “And when your days (David) are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall issue from your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will make firm the throne of his kingdom forever…” (2 Samuel 7:12 – 13)

            The genealogy of the New Testament is inconsistent. While it gives two accounts of the genealogy of Joseph, it states clearly that he is not the biological father of Jesus. One of the genealogies is through Nathan and not Solomon altogether!

            He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel -”And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” (Isaiah 11:12)

            Are all Jews living in Israel? Have all Jews EVER lived in Israel since the time of Jesus?

            He must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem – “…and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and my tabernacle shall be with them..” (Ezekiel 37:26 – 27)

            At last check, there is NO Temple in Jerusalem. And worse, it was shortly after Jesus died that the Temple was DESTROYED! Just the opposite of this prophecy!

            He will rule at a time of world-wide peace – “…they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.” (Micah 4:3)

            Have you seen a newspaper lately? Are we living in a state of complete world peace? Has there ever been peace since the time of Jesus?

            He will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments – “My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes.” (Ezekiel 37:24)

            The Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy.

            He will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d – “And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the L-rd” (Isaiah 66:23)

            there are still millions if not billions of people in the world today who adhere to paganistic and polytheistic religions. It is clear that we have not yet seen this period of human history unfold.

            All of these criteria are best stated in the book of Ezekiel Chapter 37 verses 24-28:

            And David my servant shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. they shall also follow My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Yaakov my servant, in which your fathers have dwelt and they shall dwell there, they and their children, and their children’s children forever; and my servant David shall be their prince forever. Moreover, I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them, which I will give them; and I will multiply them and I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore. And my tabernacle shall be with them: and I will be their G-d and they will be my people. Then the nations shall know that I am the L-rd who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary will be in the midst of them forevermore.

            If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be “The Messiah.” A careful analysis of these criteria shows us that to date, no one has fulfilled every condition.

            Certainly NOT Jesus.

          • Your analysis yachty is like a pile of rocks. No organization, no road of any kind, The truth in Holy Scripture is like a straight path paved with perfectly aligned stones. But to each his own. There will be a Judgement. I’d rather be on the Right with the sheep, not on the Left with the goats. And to some that’s merely a fairytale too.

          • That isn’t from me…..That is from the Chief Rabbinate! I think they know a little more than your uneducated preachers! Seriously I really need to reevaluate your beliefs! Sorry, but Christians have it so wrong! Why do you believe a story from the Egyptian Book of the Dead? It is the same story….Virgin Mother, Resurrection, 25 Dec birthday all the same shit!

          • Never mind the Biblical details above. You noted a late night HBO program about
            dildo sex. Now we know where your mind is fixated. YUK!

          • Dude, I fall asleep with the TV…generally it is on all night long! I had no idea HBO had programs like that until I woke to take a pee and it was on…was hard to miss it with a 60″ picture!

          • Great news! Sounds like you’re going to be one cool dude. So cool out yachty.

          • Most people wish they could be me………it is hard to be Fabulous!

      • Walgreen’s has a sale on Tinfoil this week-end….

        …..Better hurry !!

        • I have a 12″ Dildo for you to sit on and rotate, all while wearing your tinfoil hat! Really an old dude and his fairytales! Come to Salem MA for Halloween and we can show you a great time!


    • Fedupwiththefeds

      You are exactly right! They seek out these businesses in order to destroy them because they KNOW they can. They are forcing their lifestyle on others. Why would they think that they we be more accepted by taking these businesses to court? It would seem to me that it has the opposite effect.

    • Thank you, Chris.

    • My first thought when any squabble springs from encounters involving choice is that someone’s
      REAL agenda is to stir up something. The “cake” above is just the bait in the trap. There are low lifes who concoct agenda for the purpose of filing lawsuits to get their names and faces in the news and also hopefully to get a windfall of money. A classic example occurred when some what I call sluts came out of the woodwork to announce they had had illicit, immoral affairs with one black candidate for the Presidency. If that had really happened WHY did those sluts wait years to bring the subject to public attention? They appeared to be more into an anti-black, anti conservative agenda. Notice how they slipped back into the woodwork after several weeks. Their reputations should have been ruined for that escapade and it would have been all their fault–THEY are the ones who brought up the subject. Yet we have a pResident who allegedly had some kind of sexual encounter with one Monica wearing a blue dress. That affair did not involve a conservative pResident–it was must something to giggle about, nothing else.
      So where lies the hypocrisy?

  4. The people that are going around just looking for certain businesses that are christian! They insist that by shoving their life styles down our throats we’ll give in. NOT SO!!!!!!! It only makes us stronger with our Creator!!!!

  5. “We’ve already seen from the Supreme Court’s controversial Hobby Lobby decision that federal law can’t force an owner to betray their own religion.”

    Actually, that’s not exactly what the basis of the decision was. It was really about whether corporations have the same religious freedoms as individuals.

  6. I reserve the RIGHT to serve only who I want, although everybody’s money is green and that is what usually makes my decision for me. (I have refused , but that’s a diff story, it’s usually attitude) Even if I don’t agree with their whatever, money is money. And I leave them in their misery when I’m done and gone.

  7. So, I can put a sign up that says, No Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Muslims or Christians allowed?

    • You should be able to. You should have the right to deny service to anyone you want to.

    • I’m caucasian and subscribe to Christianity. You have my permission to refuse service to me. I don’t care. I’ll just take my money elsewhere. And I have a right to NOT do business with you.

      • You are so nice! You more than likely don’t have enough money to buy what I sell, so what’s the point!

        • Nobody wants your stinking bung-hole
          Go sell it somewhere else Rainbow Boy ………………

          • My G’d you must be old….bung-hole really? Perhaps you need to stop playing with you anus and plunging your entire hand in there. What will your dear old wife think when you ask her to fist you! Seriously, you are a sick little man that needs help! Perhaps the foundation of your issues stems from the fact you really feel like a woman! Most cross dressers are heterosexual males! Come on, step out of your closet and announce you are a she-male!

  8. Hummmm wonder just what a gay wedding cake would look like? Lol

  9. In Las Vegas They have the right to refuse service to ANY one and no one has ever sued them and won. No shirt ,no service= No shoes ,,No service =stink hole lovers ,,no service


    • Actually, the constitution does not give you that right. The Equal protection clause says you do not have that right

      • Actually we have that God given right.

        • Actually, you don’t. And I”m not sure which “God” you. Believe in that gives you the right to hate. The god I was taught about preached tolerance and love, not hate. Maybe you meant Mohammed

          • Actually you do. God gave you free will to do what you want. The government does not have the God given right to make decisions for you.

          • Do you have the god given right to steal?, to rape?, to murder? Do you have the god given right to marry your sister?, to drive a car at 13, to drink alcohol at 15? You have no “god given rights”

          • I beg to differ. Are you saying God didn’t give you free will. I get my rights from God not government. The government can make it illegal but I still have the freedom given to me by God to make a choice.

  11. We are being over regulated by government to the tune and cost (to you and me!) of as I read, $2 Trillion. No wonder this country is going bankrupt when we the people allow such idiocy to reign us.

    • IT’S called back door legislation. AND then the taxpayers wonder what the hell happened. O” put a lot of that in as soon as he took office. THAT is over and above O’ care. THE taxs levies went to suppliers and producers.WHO pass the cost on to THE people trying to make it on 30 hours a week. THATs what obamy-care mandated so go out and find two part-time jobs. OR maybe
      three or four part-time jobs. GOOD luck.

  12. the first right is freedom of religion. If you stop freedom of expressing your religious beliefs in word and action, than all the others are mute

    • That’s not what the first amendment says at all. try again

      • “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

        Exercising your religious belief is to put in action those beliefs!

  13. Independant Thinker

    Any law that gives special rights to a certain group is discriminatory against everyone else and is there fore illegal as it is discriminatory in itself. This means black, white, gay, Muslim, Christian or other wise. Anti-prayer laws are also discriminatory as well and are therefore illegal. We definitely need to get back to the old fashion Constitution and Bill of Rights application as it was intended. Anti-profiling is also illegal as it means you can’t look for crime within the boundary of those who are generally involved with the crime. Being PC is illegal as it prevents one from telling it like it is.

  14. Why do we have to even wander about in this liberal-created labyrinth of philosophical / legal slog? Stop debating the pros and cons of liberal legal arguments! That’s what they want — get off the ideological distraction merry-go-round! Solve the entire problem, no matter what you sell or what service you provide: Serve/sell everyone the same, but if a customer’s lifestyle conflicts with your beliefs, then have a standard contract signed by both parties that clearly states that all profits from their purchase from you will be donated to very conservative entities, especially specific law firms who take ALL conservative religious cases pro bono. This is a win-win: They may decide against purchasing your service/product and your conscience won’t be afflicted, or you’ve told them up front exactly where their money will be used. And you get the charity tax break . . . win-win-win!

  15. What more do we need? How about common sense and decency.

  16. Political Correctness was designed to destroy the Constitution so we could enjoy the greater wisdom of the elected ruling class.

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” and get sharp!

  17. It’s about time someone took a stand against the liberal PC mindset that punishes thought and belief which does not conform to their orthodoxy.

  18. All religions are the same. If you don’t believe their way, it’s the highway. Each think they have the corner on what THEY believe is the TRUTH. Wow unto those who don’t. Each would like to impose their religious laws thru government decree. I for one do not want to live under a THEOCRACY of ANY type.

    VILE LIBERAL SCUM hold the U.S. Constitution in the utmost contempt. Exactly the reason I hold them in the utmost CONTEMPT.

  20. What I would have done is tell the couple I have a large line of customers and it would take me at least 6 months to be able to meet their order or just tell them you do not make wedding cakes and leave it at that. I do believe people should have the right to discriminate. It would be that person’s loss as they would lose a customer.

  21. So it’s ok for Christians to go against their Constitutional rights to apease homosexuals who the Christian Bible declares doomed because of their sinful life style. What append to “FREEDOM OF RELIGION” the RIGHT FOR ALL PEOPLE TO PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION. RELIGIOUS FAITH IS FUNDAMENTAL TO SOCIETY TO EXIST. STOP CAVING IN TO THESE SINFUL ORGANIZATIONS, YOU GOV REPS GROW A PAIR AND TAKE A STAND AGAINST SIN OR SUFFER GOD’S WRATH WHEN IT COMES!

    • According to Yeshua (Jesus) with God it is possible for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. I prefer
      Yeshua’s mission and HIs teachings to that of Churchianity. According to Him a puritanical lifestyle will get nobody into Heaven. Suggestion: read the book.

      • First off, it is no account of your so called savior! The book was written hundreds of years after he supposedly lived. You can read the Egyptian Book of the Dead and get the same exact story! Your religion is a joke! Wake up and smell the coffee before you waste your entire life…..

        • Your comment is irrelevant to the discussion. There is no reason to bash the persons religious beliefs. You just make yourself look like an ass!

    • Really? Are you serious……There is a separation between church and state! Christianity is not a mother religion! The Christian Bible says nothing about homosexuality.

    • Why Christians Should Stop Opposing Gay Marriage: The Free Will …

      All of which is irrelevant, because I also believe that we should not be legislating the morality of gay marriage, any more than we should be legislating the …

  22. Oh, you mean the law that Favors MINORITIES to be hired before WHITE people? – Like all the jobs in the City of Los Angeles??? THAT law ??

  23. It’s a absurd law. It’s one more step to thought control. The liberal leftist have been thinking with their heads up their keester for quite awhile. But, to make this a law is just plain stupid. Yet, ANOTHER sign of the falling of America.

  24. Exactly, Except there are 200 million Chrisians in America and only around 1 million gender confused people who don’t have the right to tell the other 299 million Americans how to live or how to run their lives. We have been more than nice to the Queers, Fags, gender confused, mixed up, laughig stocks of America. Even the Suprem Court won’t touch it and I think they are hoping the Gays go away.

  25. This is just ridiculous, in no way should any business owner be
    “required” to serve everyone who asks for or demands such service. It is
    discrimination against the business owner to force them to engage in
    business dealings that go against their faith, or any other beliefs.

    is way past time the powers that be get a fricking clue in that “We The
    People” have the right to refuse service to anyone, we have the right
    to prejudices, even if it is morally wrong to do so. Freedom of religion

    The right to “Life,
    Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness” say’s if serving someone you are
    morally opposed to doesn’t make you happy, you don’t have to do it. As
    far as the dykes happiness goes, they also have the right pursuit it,
    even if it takes their going to a second or third bakery to get what
    makes them happy.

    I don’t know who originally said this but it is
    something every American needs to be aware of, and that is: “Your
    freedom ends where my rights begin”

  26. What good is free speech if you’re not allowed to say anything.

    ‘Hate crimes’ were invented to get around the constitutional restriction of double jeopardy.

    ‘Hate speech’ was invented to get around freedom of speech.

    Discrimination is prohibited to get around the presumption of freedom of thought.

    Has any politician ever turned down ‘Hate money’?

  27. As far as insurance companies they beat me out of about six grand last year because of a change in the coding, which evidently is so complicated that no one can understand it them or the providers. the path to get something done about it is very long and twisted. But if you have your own business then you should be able to deny service to anyone. Maybe they just need to word it different like instead of no because your gay it should have been yeah we can do that it will just cost $5,000. I work with alarms and CCTV and if I find out that I am wiring a drug dealers house so he can see the cops coming then I have to do it or it’s discrimination. Yeah right. This is the stuff that happens when you worry more about being politically correct than being morally and socially correct.

  28. Free country? Hate or love anyone your want?
    Stop making lo-info’s on welfare and allowing in aliens just to make more demo voters. Some can’t get an education and a job if they want one. Some don’t bother. Too many people. Too many tax users.

  29. sandraleesmith46

    Why is it NOT discrimination for homosexuals to seek to force their lifestyles on people AGAINST the others’ beliefs?

  30. Melisa is right. Read Federalist Paper #84 where Alexander Hamilton points that rights are a limit on the power of government itself. But today that concept has flipped completely backwards.

  31. I just received a questioner from a doctor that i made an appointment to see for a thyroid problem I’m just about ready to call them and tell them to stick it where the sun don’t shine, i have to answer questions that are none of their damn business this is purely outrageous, I was born and raised in America and i have to show my ID wherever i go, but an ILLEGAL can cross the border and come into welcome arms we better do some serious voting to get all these liberal socialist commies out.

  32. A Privately held business has every right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Signs that stated this were once common in many businesses. The right to choose is a basic freedom!

  33. Since Obama came into power, the Muslims and gays/lesbians have taken advantage of Obama being a homosexual himself thus the reason those people went to that bakery to MAKE them make their cake knowing full well they were against it so now in order to further punish the bakery, they’re suing – guess it’s one way to make them PAY for not baking their cake. Since Obama OWNS the country now, we have to cater to all homosexuals. He has ruined the Military big time and laughs each time he send the STRAIGHTS to Africa or in some fighting city around the world. Wanna bet… no homosexuals are in with duty????

  34. If it was truly for religious reasons they should state they are christian bakers then YES!!! I always thought a private business had the right to refuse anyone. Besides why would you want someone who dislike you for whatever reason make food for you yuck, have you never see the movie waiting?

  35. This author NAILED it! It is NOT your right to force people to serve you! It IS the RIGHT of the business owner to serve who they wish to serve without being forced to by government. The founders knew that and it is the reason why there was nothing put in the Constitution to force it on anyone. In fact, I would say that the Constitution does the opposite, it guarantees the RIGHT of the business owner to say NO and let the market decide if they want to support that kind of business.

    Personally, I could care less if a company decides they don’t want to serve me, I would simply not want to give them my money and will let everyone I know and allow them to make their own decision concerning their purchase decision.

    As a business owner, I don’t really care who you are if you want to buy my product, I will sell it to you! I think it is a bad business decision to limit your customer base, but that is another issue!

  36. Being my own boss I reserve my right to discriminate against anybody I want. (I don’t yell at myself if I’m late or go home early, I don’t even yell at myself if I don’t come in at all) Your teeth are missing from using speed, or your a bull dyke or a raging faggot, gang member, thug what have you, I will discriminate by raising my price to a point that they will not pay. suck my u know what govt. and I’ll do it under the table. Black market so to speak. Home repairs for people I can tolerate and not fear.

  37. No shoes, No shirt,No service… so my religion dictates the wearing of shirts & shoes is blaspheme to the lord jemoke, can I sue the business owners? Phuck no I can’t, same goes for the mentally disturbed male & female homosexuals… you don’t have to let the mentally ill into your establishment… they might zap-out & than you’d have to shoot their scanky asses… !

  38. “Constitution?” Don’t you know the elected ruling class has greater wisdom?

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” and get sharp!

  39. Don’t you know the elected ruling class has greater wisdom?

    Google “Two Minute Conservative,” and when you speak you they will listen.

  40. In free country people may associate with and hire and buy from whomever they choose, but this country is no longer free. The government makes people do things against their will and if you own a business or work they tell you what you have to do even if it violates your beliefs and your own choices, freedoms. In a free country, the market place and reputations rule, but in the US the political correct and immoral whiners rule.

    The fact is the more immoral a person is the more they want to take advantage of or force their will on others. It is not discrimination for a person not to want to associate with or do business with a person for any reason, it may be prejudice, preference based on experience, beliefs, etc… It is discrimination when the government or a government agency practices preferences. It is the government that has power and any business that is not willing to treat people morally can easily go under in a free society where the people have so many choices.

    Fact is the homosexual community are the haters whom like ISIS attempt to force their beliefs and will on others. They o not believe n freedom of speech or religion and have fought to change the definition of words to undermine religion, peoples values and freedom. The fact is just like homosexuals, so many people (especially democrats) have spit on God and the words of MLK. These people have put race before character and jump to conclusions due to race and say character does not matter. The Clintons, Gore and Obama are examples of what I have said. Christians and moral people gave the homosexuals a benefit of a doubt in the 70s and 80s as they homosexuals promised never to push others to accept their life style, go for marriage, etc… as they stated it is no ones business what they do behind close doors as that is where they were going to keep it. The US agreed with them, but we have found they are all liars and it was just a way to start their process of harassment and force as they started indoctrinating children in schools and no use the courts to force others to be silent and submit ton their sinful life.

  41. We all deserve the right to refuse service to anyone…Gay rights take away my rights.

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