A Fact About Texas Gun Owners the Left Won’t Like One Bit

Adam Peters of the Western Free Press went digging around in the gun violence statistics out of Texas recently and came up with a fact that is almost too deliciously hilarious to be believed. But believe it you must, because it’s absolutely true. And not only does it make the case that more guns do NOT result in more crime…not only does it prove that law-abiding gun owners are NOT the problem in America…not only does it make the argument that more gun control is the LAST thing we need in this country…it’s just a fun fact that will make anti-Second Amendment liberals feel really stupid. And when we come across something like that, we have to share it early and often.

Peters pointed out that while many liberals were calling on the United States to adopt European-style gun laws in an effort to bring down violent crime rates, a closer look at the relevant comparison figures might show just how useless such an endeavor would be – even if it didn’t violate the Bill of Rights. He did so by examining the crime statistics of a particular group: Legally-armed Texans.

“Over a million people in Texas are licensed to carry a firearm, and the state publishes a report on the crimes they commit,” Peters wrote. “In 2016, two were convicted of murder and another two were convicted of manslaughter. If they formed their own country, its per capita homicide rate would be about 0.4 per 100,000 residents. In other words, Britain’s homicide rate would drop by more than half if it were populated by nothing but Texans with concealed handgun permits.

“Texas isn’t unique: across the country, it’s rare for people who carry guns legally to commit crimes,” Peters continued. “They do stop them, however.”

So there you have it: Study the American population of licensed gun carriers and you find that they are responsible for fewer murders than the whole of Britain, where explicit gun laws keep most of the citizenry unarmed.

This is more than just an unusual or trivial bit of fun. This goes to the entire point of the right’s pro-Second Amendment arguments. It’s been stated a million ways, but one of the most effective is: When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. And it’s the plain and simple truth. Mass murderers don’t care about your gun laws, and neither do kids in Chicago street gangs. The only people who might care are those you already have no reason to worry about. The left’s war on guns is an excuse to play Security Theater. That’s one thing when we’re talking about the TSA, it’s quite another when we’re talking about the fundamental right to bear arms.

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  2. Another red herring from PatriotNewsDaily. The left doesn’t have any beef with law-abiding gun owners, who are by definition not the problem. The problem is gun owners who are *not* law-abiding, and they have enough guns among them to account for 3200 gun homocides in Texas every year. Can you predict then a law-abiding Texan is going to stop being law-abiding? No, you cannot, and since, as soon as they become one of the 3200, they stop being counted in your rosy statistic, your conclusion amounts to a big fat lie.

    • Oh Jim Dandy, do you know how to read? Two were convicted of murder and another two were convicted of manslaughter… Those four were the only “predicted” felons out of all the licensed law-abiding gun owners. Sure no one could predict when those four would flip but we all can predict that illegal gun owners will take advantage of an unarmed citizen. Wake up and stop buying into the democratic party and MSM bull$hit.

    • Post references to such wild numbers. I do not believe one word of your post.

      • He’s right. Do your own damn homework.

        • Yea, sure . Look it up. Last year I found results for was 2011. Murders by guns for 2011 was 699. Try intimidation on some one else.

          • Any intimidation is on you, sir. I happen to LIVE in Texas. We have a terrible problem with illegal immigration AND with members of MS-13 sneaking their way into the country. Even so, the large majority of violent crime is east of the Mississippi River. Houston and Dallas have a huge problem with gangs, but even THAT is not as bad as things are in Chicago.

            In case you haven’t noticed or heard the news story, 200 members of MS-13 — all illegal immigrants — were arrested just the other day.

            If all you could find is from 2011, then it’s been a long time since you bothered to look. So, I did YOUR HOMEWORK for you.

            The following is directly from the FBI, from 2015.

            Today, the FBI released its annual compilation of crimes reported to its Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program by law enforcement agencies from around the nation. Crime in the United States, 2015 reveals a 3.9 percent increase in the estimated number of violent crimes and a 2.6 percent decrease in the estimated number of property crimes last year when compared to 2014 data.
            According to the report, there were an estimated 1,197,704 violent crimes committed around the nation. While that was an increase from 2014 figures, the 2015 violent crime total was 0.7 percent lower than the 2011 level and 16.5 percent below the 2006 level.
            Among some of the other statistics contained in Crime in the United States, 2015:
            The estimated number of murders in the nation was 15,696.
            During the year, there were an estimated 90,185 rapes. (This figure currently reflects UCR’s legacy definition. Learn more about the revised rape definition.)
            There were an estimated 327,374 robberies nationwide, which accounted for an estimated $390 million in losses (average dollar value of stolen property per reported robbery was $1,190).
            Firearms were used in 71.5 percent of the nation’s murders, 40.8 percent of robberies, and 24.2 percent of aggravated assaults.
            Property crimes resulted in losses estimated at $14.3 billion. The total value of reported stolen property (i.e., currency, jewelry, motor vehicles, electronics, firearms) was $12,420,364,454.

          • W ell, gosh, I have only .lived in Texas since 1958. I guess that does not count. Lots of numbers , but none to substantiate the 3200 gun murders in Texas in one year. I argued with his number, and you took up the role as protector of him. Where is his response?

          • Here’s another statistic. You are only off by almost 2,000.

            The list is from a table, reference at the end.

            As follows:

            State, then TOTAL Population, then MURDERS and non-NEGLIGENT Manslaughter, then rate per 100,000.

            Pretty easy to read.

            Alabama
            4,853,875
            348
            7.2

            Alaska
            737,709
            59
            8.0

            Arizona
            6,817,565
            309
            4.5

            Arkansas
            2,977,853
            181
            6.1

            California
            38,993,940
            1,861
            4.8

            Colorado
            5,448,819
            176
            3.2

            Connecticut
            3,584,730
            117
            3.3

            Delaware
            944,076
            63
            6.7

            District of Columbia
            670,377
            162
            24.2

            Florida
            20,244,914
            1,041
            5.1

            Georgia
            10,199,398
            615
            6.0

            Hawaii
            1,425,157
            19
            1.3

            Idaho
            1,652,828
            32
            1.9

            Illinois
            12,839,047
            744
            5.8

            Indiana
            6,612,768
            373
            5.6

            Iowa
            3,121,997
            72
            2.3

            Kansas
            2,906,721
            128
            4.4

            Kentucky
            4,424,611
            209
            4.7

            Louisiana
            4,668,960
            481
            10.3

            Maine
            1,329,453
            23
            1.7

            Maryland
            5,994,983
            516
            8.6

            Massachusetts
            6,784,240
            128
            1.9

            Michigan
            9,917,715
            571
            5.8

            Minnesota
            5,482,435
            133
            2.4

            Mississippi
            2,989,390
            259
            8.7

            Missouri
            6,076,204
            502
            8.3

            Montana
            1,032,073
            36
            3.5

            Nebraska
            1,893,765
            62
            3.3

            Nevada
            2,883,758
            178
            6.2

            New Hampshire
            1,330,111
            14
            1.1

            New Jersey
            8,935,421
            363
            4.1

            New Mexico
            2,080,328
            117
            5.6

            New York
            19,747,183
            609
            3.1

            North Carolina
            10,035,186
            517
            5.2

            North Dakota
            756,835
            21
            2.8

            Ohio
            11,605,090
            500
            4.3

            Oklahoma
            3,907,414
            234
            6.0

            Oregon
            4,024,634
            99
            2.5

            Pennsylvania
            12,791,904
            658
            5.1

            Rhode Island
            1,055,607
            29
            2.7

            South Carolina
            4,894,834
            399
            8.2

            South Dakota
            857,919
            32
            3.7

            Tennessee
            6,595,056
            406
            6.2

            Texas
            27,429,639
            1,316
            4.8

            Utah
            2,990,632
            54
            1.8

            Vermont
            626,088
            10
            1.6

            Virginia
            8,367,587
            383
            4.6

            Washington
            7,160,290
            211
            2.9

            West Virginia
            1,841,053
            70
            3.8

            Wisconsin
            5,767,891
            240
            4.2

            Wyoming
            586,107
            16
            2.7

            Even so, the largest number of murders occur in Houston and Dallas.

            I’m not as old as you, but I have been here for over half of my life, I raised my family here, and have now retired here.

            Here’s the reference:

            Murder in the United States by state – Wikipedia
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by

            Gun violence in the United States; United States Peace Index; List of U.S. states by homicide rate; Firearm death rates in the United States by state; Sources

            It was quite easy to find. Like I said, do your own damn homework.

          • He was only talking about TX. Why can’t the 2 of you dig up the yearly death numbers for TX? You keep obfuscating with figures of other states and illegal owners, which isn’t the topic. Why is that when the topic was TX murders by LEGAL gun owners? DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!!

            And I bet you’re including the figures of those who illegal have guns, like the ambush killer in Dallas and the cop killers of BLM in Houston and other cities.

            This article was concerning the murders of law abiding CC owners only. You’re including the gang members who are often prevented from further killing by CC owners.

          • And, I PROVIDED THE NUMBERS FOR TEXAS!!!

            It just so happened that the information I provided appeared in table format, BY STATE.

            The commenter referred to “his” so-called “fact” that there were 3,200 gun murders in Texas AND that he found those figures for 2011.

            I disagreed with his figures and published the true facts.

            I included STATISTICS readily available at both the FBI AND at many other sources.

            The STATISTICS provided INCLUDED “murder and manslaughter” by gun.

            They were NOT separated so back off.

          • And it was nowhere near 3200 per year, was it?

          • I understand now! 🙂 The confusion was when you posted to the guy who was disagreeing with that. 🙂 That’s so easy to do!! Everyone has been posting to you because it seemed like you were agreeing with the 3200. LOL From one Texan to another, hugs.

          • BTW, you should always know your enemy when you’re in a fight. 🙂

            Remember the Alamo!!

          • BTW, if you get a table like this, all you have to do is delete the unnecessary spaces or states. Cut and paste can be edited.

          • Your reference is not valid. You have to go to another site from there. That is where I went for my figures. First total number of murders does not = gun deaths. Maybe you did not know people murder others with items that are not guns. Total from your list was 1613 Not 2000 off. Border control officer murdered with ROCKS. Reported today.

          • He thinks he posted to Jim Dandy and is disagreeing with him.

          • I stand corrected. I am aware of the murder of the Border Agent murdered with rocks and of the fact that his partner is still hospitalized in serious condition.

            The FBI has long said that, by far, the total number of murders do not happen via gun violence, but by other means, such as blunt force trauma, knives, etc.

            That said, it is also a fact that the majority of gun murders are committed in states East of the Mississippi River.

            While I don’t own any weapons, I fully support the CC law.

          • I think we are both on the same side, but comments seem to be crossed and made at least me, think we were on opposite ends. Yes, a few blue states have the majority of the gun deaths. I think Texas does a good job with their education of applicants for a CCL. I took the class 11-18-17, and give it rave reviews.

          • “I stand corrected.” Is that your idea of an apology for cussing at us? Because it’s not mine!!

          • I didn’t cuss at you, and I wasn’t even TALKING to you. All I said was the word “damn.” So sorry that I shocked your obviously shell-pink ears.

            My numbers were off, and I apologized. I owe you NOTHING.

            At least I don’t spend my time trolling the internet looking for things that I find offensive.

            Like I said, I was wrong, I apologized, it’s over, so GET OVER YOURSELF!

          • You’re right that you didn’t cuss at me. You just told me to “back off”. (post below)

            You cussed at Graywolf telling him to do his own …. research when he was posting to Jim Dandy, who was the one who said there were 3200 gun homicides in TX every year. When he expressed disagreement, you told him Jim Dandy was right and then you proceeded to prove Jim Dandy wrong, but you were negative to those of us against Jim Dandy’s post.

            Forget about the apology, but realize when you’re belligerent to people that the post might have gotten confused.

          • Let it go, already!!! I didn’t owe YOU or anyone an apology. I was wrong. I acknowledged it. PERIOD.

            Between your being a grammar corrector and taking false offense to whatever people on these threads post, you are a major piece of work.

            The ONLY person I was “negative” to was the person I was TALKING to, PERIOD.

            I hope you had a blessed and peaceful Thanksgiving, now go away and leave me alone.

          • The major piece of work is you. You were arguing with the person who said there were 3200 gun deaths in TX per year and then you argued against that as if you had misposted in the first place, but you won’t or can’t see that.

            You’re like the people I’ve dealt with who would steal and say “have a blessed day”.

            Also, if you can’t communicate, that’s not a grammar correction.

          • You don’t know me at all, so don’t pretend like you do. I am NEITHER a thief NOR a liar. I know very well how to communicate and to do so politely.

            YOU have been nothing but rude and hateful in every single post of yours I have ever read.

            Also, YOU have absolutely NO RIGHT to make a judgment call on who and who is NOT capable of “communication.”

            Like I have stated numerous times since YOUR first insult to me, I made a mistake, I corrected myself, apologized, END OF STORY.

            I have read NUMEROUS comments by you to other people where YOU are correcting their syntax, grammar, sentence structure and spelling. Just exactly WHO the HELL (oops, a cussword) do you think you are???

            NOBODY, in my eyes.

            You are blocked, so don’t bother replying. YOU remind me of my mother’s description of a “party line gossip” where everyone had their own ring on the phone and one lady in particular could not run fast enough to get to the phone so she could listen in!!!

          • I never would say you were a thief or a liar. Where did you get that?!! I said that Jim Dandy lied about there being 3200 gun deaths in TX every year and that’s the only thing I said about anyone lying.

            I don’t think you really even try to understand what you read.

            You do keep cussing people out when you don’t know what’s going on, though.

            Wow!! I see where you got it!! I said you’re like the people I’ve dealt with who would lie or steal and then say “have a blessed day”. In other words, that you didn’t really mean it. You’ve proven that, IMO.

          • Yes. That was terrible about the border patrol officer. Another was seriously injured but expected to pull through. That was off of I-10, I think in AZ where it’s so close to the border.

          • BTW, I have no idea what “non-negligent manslaughter” would even be since that seems to be an oxymoron. Those look like percentages to me, especially since you can’t have fractions of a person.

          • I was wondering how your logic was so conflicting. 🙂 We left TX in ’88 because of all the illegal invaders in our N. Ft. Worth and the drugs that came with that.

        • Posted to wrong person. You meant for it to be to Jim Dandy. That’s the problem with cussing. I makes people mad when it’s seemingly to them.

    • IF WHAT YOU SAY IS HAPPENING HERE IN TEXAS IS THE WAY YOU READ THINGS- THEN I MUST TELL YOU WHO IS DOING THE SHOOTING AND KILLING- ITS THE ILLEGAL ALIENS THAT POURED ACROSS THE BORDER IN THE OBLOW-JOBS 8 YEARS OF AMERICAN MUSLIM TERROR. THE ILLEGAL ALIEN IN THIS STATE COUNTS FOR OVER HALF OF THE KILLINGS AND THE OTHER HALF IS THE OUT OF CONTROL BLACK POPULOUS IN THE STATES LARGER TOWN LIKE HOUSTON AND DALLAS-FT. WORTH. IN THE RURAL AREAS YOU WILL NOT HAVE SUCH NUMBERS . THE COUNTRY PEOPLE-FARMERS- RANCHERS DON’T EVEN COME UP WITH 1% OF THE SHOOTINGS- THE BLACKS DRUGGIES AND THE MESKIN ILLEGAL AND CARTEL STOOGES CARRY OUT THE MASS OF THE SHOOTINGS AND KILLINGS. SO, AS WE SEE IT THE ILLEGALS WERE NOT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THEY SHOULD AND WILL GONE BEFORE MUCH LONGER. AND FOR THE BLACKS AND THE BLM – MOST OF US WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE POPULATION THINNED OUT SOME WITH THEIR NUMBERS. I THINK THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY’S SHOULD GIVE ALL THE GUNS TAKEN IN THE CITY TO THE EAST SIDE BLACKS SO THEY CAN SHOOT AND KILL EACH OTHER- IT WOULD CUT THE CADILLAC ESCALADE PURCHASES DOWN TO ALMOST ZERO AND CUT OUT WELFARE PAYMENTS TO THEM AND WOULD GO WAY DOWN. THEN THE DRUGS BEING SUPPLIED THE YOUNG FOLKS WOULD GO DOWN AND THE PIMPS AND HOES WOULD NOT BE ON THE STREETS AS BAD- RIPPING OFF THE TOURIST THAT COME HERE FOR A SAFE VACATION. THE WAY A LOT OF US SEE IT – WOULD BE A WIN WIN SITUATION- MESKIN ILLEGALS GONE AND THE BLM’S GONE OR PUSHING UP DAISY’S . THEN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WILL BE A 100% SAFER FOR THE ELDERLY AND FOR THE KIDS OF US CITIZENS. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE LEGAL MEXICANS AND THE RESPECTFUL BLACKS OF THIS TOWN. ALL CITY’S WELCOME LAW ABIDING CITIZENS TO THEIR POPULOUS. ITS A WIN WIN WIN SITUATION FOR THE HONEST PERSON TO LIVE WITHOUT FEAR FROM THE MESKIN GANGS AND THE BLM GANGS.

      • WE ARE OVERRUN BY THE ILLEGALS AS IS THE REST OF THE STATES- WE WANT THEM GONE BACK TO WHERE EVER THEY COME FROM. WE HAVE ENOUGH INCARCERATED CRIMINALS IN OUT STATES PRISONS THAT COULD WORK THE FIELDS AND HELP PAY FOR THEIR KEEP IN THE INTUITIONS- INSTEAD OF JUST LAYING AROUND AND TRYING TO GET A DEGREE IN JAIL HOUSE LAW. PUT THEIR WORTHLESS ASSES TO WORK DOING AND HONEST DAYS WORK FOR ONCE IN THE LIVES. NOW ITS PAYBACK TIME FOR THE CRIMINALS FOR ALL THE THEFTS ETC THEY DID WHILE ON THE RUN. IT WORKED FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON BACK IN THE 50–70’S – THEY HAD WHAT WAS CALLED THE “P” FARM ON MCKAWA RD.- WHERE THE INMATES GREW ALL THE FOOD THEY ATE AND THEIR MEATS . THEY REST WAS SOLD TO THE PUBLIC IN THE AREA AND THE PROCEEDS PUT BACK INTO THE STRUCTURE WHICH WORKED SO WELL TO DETER THEM FROM COMING BACK. CALIFORNIA IS OVER RUN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE COUNTRY UNTIL THE VOTERS SLAP THEMSELVES ON THE FACE AND WAKE THE HELL UP AND BOOT THAT GOVERNOR FOOL FROM OFFICE. YOUR STATE IS GOING TO THE ILLEGALS- BEFORE LONG THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO KICK YOU LEGAL RESIDENTS OUT OF YOUR HOMES AND GIVE YOUR PROPERTY TO HIS BELOVED ILLEGAL MESKINS WHICH YOU ARE FLOODED WITH . SUCH A SHAME- WHEN WILL DISNEYLAND BE REPLACED WITH BULL FIGHTING AND PINATA PARTY’S ALL OVER THE PARK. THEN MICKEY MOUSE WILL BE REPLACED WITH A GIANT ROACH IN A SOMBRERO WITH A WELFARE CARD READER. THEN ALL THE TOURIST FROM THE OTHER STATES WILL BE GREETED WITH A BUNCH OF LOW SLUNG PANTS DRAGGERS THAT ROB YOUR AT THE GATE OF YOUR WATCHES AND YOUNG FEMALE CHILDREN.
        IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER FOR THE TRUE CALIFORNIAN’S AND RESPECTFUL PEOPLE EACH DAY BROWN IS LEFT TO DESTROY YOUR ONCE VIBRANT STATE AND ITS POPULATION OF INNOVATORS AND MANUFACTURING COMPANYS. I GUESS THE BIGGEST THING IS THE MYSTERY MEAT WAGONS AND TORTILLA JOINTS SPRING UP IN THE BACKYARDS OF THE AUTO STRIPPING INDUSTRY. START LOOKING AT SOME OF SIGNS OF THE INNOVATORS YOU DON’T WANT AS A PART OF YOUR CITY POPULOUS. HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE SIGNS TO WATCH OUT FOR. JUAN’S ELECTRIC MOTOR REPAIR-DAYCARE AND MOLINA AND USED (STOLEN) CAR PARTS. ALL IN AND UNDER ONE LARGE PIECE OF CORRUGATED IRON SHEETS SLAMMED UP AGAINST A REDWOOD TREE AND THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. GET READY WE HERE IN TEXAS HAVE BEEN FIGHTING THE ILLEGAL FIRE ANTS AND FUNGUS FOR YEARS AND SEE WHAT IS IN STORE FOR YOU. GET YOURSELF A GOVERNOR THAT IS NOT A LAUGHING STOCK FOR YOUR STATE AND PUT THE WETS BACK ON A BUS TO THEIR WONDERFUL MEXICO. IF IT WAS SO WONDERFUL – THEN WHY THE HELL ARE THEY HERE MESSING UP OUR COUNTRY? LIKE THEY HAVE DONE THEIRS FOR DECADES AND DECADES. THEY ARE NOT OUR PROBLEM- THEY ARE MEXICO’S PROBLEM!! THEY NEED TO STOP THE CRAZY BREEDING LIKE COMMON RATS AND RODENTS.

    • The number of actual murders by firearm for the entire country is about 3200. And you sir are a either alying POS or totally ignorant of what you’re babbling about.

    • Because you know you cannot be trusted with a gun, does not mean that others can’t. Many good people believe they have a right to not be lambs to the slaughter, left with no way to protect themselves and those they care about. You will never get guns from people who are inclined to murder. There is no magic machine to sweep them up. Enforce the laws we have before making new ones.

    • Tell me, if you shoot someone with a gun you bought on the street from a guy in sunglasses and a hoodie, do you “legally” own the gum you’re about to commit the crime with? Didn’t think so…..

  3. It’s simple to understand. Gun owners with concealed carry permits are LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. Those who commit crimes DO NOT OBEY ANY LAWS. I will not hold my breath till the IDIOT gun grabbers FINALLY REALIZE THIS. LAWS are only obeyed by the law abiding. THEY DO NOT COMMIT CRIMES. ONCE AGAIN THEY OBEY THE LAWS OR THEY WOULD NOT GET A PERMIT. HELLO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Think about this important thing.With out the 2nd amendment we there would be no others.
      It is not the governments of America, but our Constitution that says we have the right to bear arms.
      It says nothing about getting a conceal carry permit to bear arms. The Congress makes amendments not WE THE PEOPLE, like it should be,vote the Congress into office to do our bidding not there’s.

      • How about this—if you are an elected official & get sex charges filed against you—you will be expelled from whatever job you hold. Maybe a lot of these charges aren’t really true—but—our $17 million dollars of tax payer $$$$ is real. Everyone of these charges have been settled out of court. With “OUR MONEY”??????? It ain’t right:(:(:( MAGA

        • Yeah, really. Yet another “Congressional Perk.”

          • This one blows my mind. The process for filing and the final non-disclosure agreement take away their rights. The names will eventually come out. I think the speaker of the House, Ryan has authority to release names of accusers and those accused and amount paid on behalf of the various congressmen. Next all who settled should resign, no matter what party and I am sure there are some from both parties. I am shocked that they even had the nerve to set up this system and put dollars aside for payoffs to keep quiet.

          • No one should be surprised at anything a politician will do.
            They will say and do anything to keep the Perks that they voted in for themselves forever.
            It is We The People that must stop this madness and force term limits and limits on there jobs salary and every thing else.

          • I agree. They should be required to carry “Sexual Assault Liability Insurance” and pay for it themselves.

        • I like that idea and believe that it should be We The People that vote them out from each State !!!

          • SickOf BeingCoddled

            that stratergy has failed 95% of the time for the last 70 + years BECAUSE – we all continue to vote for party not character, we don’t get involved at the PRIMARY level we accept the party person who is on the ballot,We don’t vote and if we do we don’t investigate thoroughly what the candidate stands for. If you don’t know what your candidate stands FOR and what they stand AGAINST , then don’t vote.

          • 100% PLUS agreement with you!! I’ve been saying it for years and years!!

            They DO NOT have a clue, they don’t know what their “IDOL” stands for!! All they DO KNOW is 2 things:
            #1) the persons name (recognize the name)
            #2) the persons party affiliation (vote party line)
            I’ve said for years that some of these
            A–WIPES/ A–HOLES would vote for Satan/ the Devil/ the fallen Angel itself if it had the correct (D) or (R) by it’s name!!

            To me, voting for someone ONLY because of party affiliation IS NOT VOTING! Apathy is why the Country is in the shape it’s in!!!! They haven’t taken the time to examine the candidates, I guess some even believe they “MUST” vote party line, that they can’t vote for the other guy/ gal!!

            I’ve seen to many times in my voting career, 48 years worth, this scenario!
            Voter “A” enters booth, uses lever to close the curtain, makes selection of either ALL “D’s” or ALL “R’s”, then moves lever to vote/ open curtain BEFORE THE CURTAIN EVEN STOPPED MOVING!!
            Anyone with a functioning brain KNOWS that this is what they did!!!Then they have the unmitigated gall to say “Ah yep, I voted”!!!!
            HYPOCRISY!!!! BULL SH-T!!!!
            “I always “TRIED” to vote for, in my mind, the BEST candidate “REGARDLESS” of party affiliation”!!!!!

          • Good morning Old codger and a Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
            I see you still have spunk for America and her legal citizens.
            Keep on keeping on !!

          • Likewise my friend!! Not sure of your religious slant so I don’t know whether to say Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year or be PC and only say Happy Holidays!

          • I take pride in saying Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you.
            Even if a person does not not say it back, I will continue to say it Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.

            The sayings are true American pride, I feel if someone takes offense then let them move to another Country where they can feel what ever.
            I choose to live in the land of the greatest Country in the world in freedom as our forefathers wished for us.

          • Excellent post I agree with you a lot of American`s feel that way. Like you posted if they don`t like it get the hell out of our country and see how long they will last. God bless America.

          • Thank You and may God bless those that Love America and protect her at all cost.

          • My husband used to work at Walmart and they were told that unless a person wished them a Merry Christmas first that they were not allowed to say Christmas, but to say Happy Holidays. I ALWAYS wish every cashier and stocker I see a very Merry Christmas. I have only had ONE in several years that didn’t say it back. He just ignored me, so I let it go.

          • Well Nancy everyone has to make a choice and mine is to continue to say MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR.

            May you and your family have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

          • I am involved as many others are like old codger, it is a battle that we must win. It is a fight for our very existence.

          • You’re absolutely right, and if anyone doesn’t believe it, all they have to do is look at the low voter turnouts in the last election.

    • Look at California as a good example. They have had the most restrictive state gun laws for decades. You can’t even buy ammo without being written up on some form. So one would expect that gun ownership would be very low. Well, it is with regard to law abiding citizens, but certainly not with criminals. Crime in California is on a par with states like NY and IL. Criminals don’t fear an unarmed citizenry the very same thing that “gun free zones” perpetrated. An armed citizenry is a direct threat to criminals. And of course in America most politicians are criminals. That is why they want to disarm us.

      • Great post maxx:) I agree.

      • SO TRUE

      • Shame on California they always ignore the second amendment and many others to rule over there citizens instead of leading them into prosperity.

        • What I don’t understand is why California hasn’t been challenged in the Supreme Court over some of their goony gun laws.

          • Politics MR Anderson; POLITICIANS THE SCUM OF AMERICA.
            The Politicians are now multi millionaires with outlandish benefits due to voting in outlandish pay and ridiculous benefits they will never give up the gravy train.
            There insurance is just another thing we the people have to pay for them, and we could not ever get.
            They both in the House and the Senate continue to make themselves multi millionaires and passed one of the best medical that they can get, on our dime they don’t even pay anything like a co pay.
            They gave us Barack Hussein Obama medical, the illegals are included even thought they have no rights to it.
            Or the schooling to include Collage, housing and much much more.
            They keep saying that illegals are important no they are not.
            We gain nothing by letting illegals invade our Country and leach off of us. We are the losers if anything.

          • And then we saw where the Supreme Court refused to hear a case challenging Maryland gun control laws. REFUSING TO EVEN HEAR THE CASE!!! I’ll be damned if I understand why a supposed 5-4 court would make a ruling like that!

          • I had not heard that, but nothing could surprise me anymore the corruption in our government is bad.
            But unfortunately the few cannot carry the masses, we will just have to wait and see if the masses wake up before it is to late sad thing to admit.

    • Also—once Australia banished gun ownership, their crime rate grew over 4 times, from what it was before gun legislation. WHY do these proven facts NOT get into the gun haters of the USA???

      • Because it’s easier to distort the facts than it is to tell the truth.

      • SickOf BeingCoddled

        the movement is a behind the scenes plot/ movement to destroy the USA. it dosen’t matter to those behind teh curtain what we teh people argue about, as long as we keep dividing ourselves. THEY win eventually and we LOSE Oreilly , CRTV and Glenn BECK have better answers . get educated

      • Because they’re DumboRATZ!! First you have to catch them, then unscrew the top of their head, dump out ALL the B.S. they’ve accumulated! Then and ONLY then can you try to fill their head with truth/ facts!! Mission Impossible 23 anyone??? LMFAO!!

        • Because the Politicians and there lies they tell for generations have made them millionaires several times over.
          They will do anything to anyone to keep there ill gotten money and power positions.
          They can’t ever get enough money or Power to rule not lead this once great Country.

    • You must be from the Right. Everything you said makes perfect sense.
      That’s refreshing.

  4. COULD CARE LESS WHAT THOSE MAGGOTS LIBERAL THINK

    • We have to care as they have spent years stacking the courts with anti gun nuts like the 9tn in California.

    • I am enjoying the heck out of watching the Dems “eat their young,” if you will with all the sexual assault and harassment charges coming out against Democrat (so-called) “Movers and Shakers.”

      They seriously need to buy the rights to the song with the chorus that goes “Another One Bites the Dust.”

      They are falling all over themselves to find a way to make it alright, and it just isn’t. They can’t get around that.

      And, of course, the Hildabeast is going to run for President again.

  5. old ways never change, they just fade away.

  6. If you don’t agree with, nor care to accept, the ideas contained in our Constitution, no one is telling you to stay here. Myself and a few other Americans live within the framework authored by the founding fathers over 200 years ago. If you can’t accept it, LEAVE and stop trying to force your “ideals” upon me.

    I have an idea. Maybe those malcontents cannot figure out how to leave or need assistance in getting out of the country. Perhaps a “Department of Reverse Immigration” can be created. Those wishing to leave the country ( because it’s so horrible here) will receive a $50 Amazon gift card and plane fare to the country of their choice. The program will pay for itself by the time not wasted in the courts fighting their insanity. As a bonus we can raise the stakes against frivolous lawsuits. They won’t have to pay court costs when they lose, but they are automatically enrolled in the reverse immigration program.

    Go away, leave our Constitution alone.

    • Good Idea ; the problem is or would be that No other Countries want these scumbags .

      • I don’t know, Australia is as nutty as they get. I read last week of a farmer that lost his guns because he use a unloaded gun to hold a criminal until the police arrived at his farm. It indicated he may have gotten his guns back to protect his farm animals from predators.

        • I like the Aussies and there way of thinking, they don’t have the same problems with illegals as does mos Countries to include the U.S. .

          • Australia has had the strictest immigration laws for many decades. Before that they were begging people to move there. But that has changed. But they are having problems with the recent muslim invasion.

          • All Countries are and have been having problems with Radical Muslims, it is there Religious leaders and they are the most Radical of all Muslims.

          • I had a hard time understanding “there” meant “their” at first. Homonyms are so confusing in our minds even when we know the difference.

          • I bet with out sarcasm you knew what I was saying !!!!!

          • What sarcasm? I was trying to be nice in giving you the benefit of the doubt in knowing the difference while trying to help others to read it as well since it looks like it ends a sentence. “Religious” doesn’t need to be capitalized so it looks like the beginning of a new sentence.

            I guess my trying to be nice and giving you the benefit of the doubt was what was in error since you obviously can’t take the most minimal correction and also since you can’t read. I had said that I had a HARD time reading it!! No SARCASM there.

          • Please get off of your “teacher stool”—-just maybe, all of us, “Americans” aren’t English teachers like you seem to be. My grammar is terrible, OK, I agree—but even though I have that problem, I get my message across & every American can understand me. I’m 74 years old, a combat Veteran from the Vietnam days, served 32 years in the USN & have been retired for many years. I like this site because I like hearing other people, not from my area of the Country & learn how they feel about problems we all have in our USA.

          • Amen. I could not agree with you more.

          • And I like you and thank you for your service. I can deal with bad grammar and bad spelling. I said that I have problems with homonyms all the time. My mind knows which one is right, but the wrong one will pop up. The post he made was great and I wanted people to understand it rather than passing it up. With the combination of the homonym at the end of the line and the word “Religious” being unnecessarily capitalized on the next line, it read like 2 different sentences to me and I didn’t want others to not understand.

            In the case of Krazeehors, he was cussing to someone who was disagreeing with Jim Dandy’s comment that there were 3200 gun deaths in TX each year, which was an outright lie that Krazeehors was even disagreeing with, as it seems to have turned out, but since he says he only posted to the people he meant to post to, then I’m not really sure about that.

            I give Krazeehors a lot of thumbs up for his posts, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to like them if he doesn’t know who he’s disagreeing with.

            I like Chandler, too, but if he’s telling everyone here who agrees with him that they need to wake up, then he can save his preaching.

            You’re not that much older than I, so if you’re saying that you’re older and wiser, that doesn’t fly. If you’re saying you’re better than I because you served, that doesn’t fly, either. Women didn’t go into the service in our time. My brother served in the USMC in Vietnam and my father was in WWII Pacific and had nightmares (PTSD, actually) for years.

            And as far as the “sarcasm” remark that Chandler made, I didn’t appreciate that a bit since I was only trying to help others understand what his post was really saying and how worthwhile it was.

          • BTW, I was trying to express how I find myself making the same mistakes, sometimes catching them when I proofread.

          • Will someone PLEASE tell me WHY everytime we hear about muslims, they are causing trouble to whoever it is they deal with? They are taught to kill everyone that doesn’t believe like they do. Are we “really” that stupid??? I’m not:)

          • Israel protects itself majorly by “profiling”. We in the US are castigated by the left and therefore outlaw profiling, now that is stupidity. Discriminating used to mean being highly selective which was a good thing. The left has perverted many words in the English language to mean something altogether different. That is where PC has gotten us.

          • Well we do have DemonRATZ!!!

          • Good post but you forgot the RINO RATS.

        • Trying to intimidate a criminal with an unloaded gun is not very smart or very safe. It is a good way to get killed or injured, when the thug calls your bluff.

      • That’s ok we can air drop them back in there own countries, and bill there Countries for the cost.

        • Mexico is such a fake ally. They say their emigrants to the U.S. are nearly all law abiding and we shouldn’t turn them away, but they held a vet in jail because he took a wrong turn into a barricaded lane that went into Mexico. With “honesty” and trustworthiness like that, how can we even think they will be law-abiding?

          They aren’t honestly. They came here illegally and they take our voting rights and even try to take over our country since many say that the U.S. stole the southwest from them almost 200 years ago. They riot and burn our flag. Whenever a minority becomes a majority, they try to assume power as the illegals have done in so many places, like CA.

          • Mexico is Mexico they lost U.S. won end of conversation as far as I see it.
            We as a nation have the right to stop all illegals no matter who or wherever they come from.
            It is the States and cities in our Country like California, New York and other sanctuary cities that have to be brought down.
            We can not let them break our laws and cause destruction from with in our Country.
            If the Feds have to put charges on the mayors,city men and women Governors then do it.
            Arrest them so that they have a record as would any other business or people would have, breaking the law.
            That is my take on it.

          • You sure got that right!! And they breed like cockroaches and produce “anchor babies” to keep their “right” to stay here. A great MANY of them refuse to even learn English, and expect the free schooling here to be taught to these illegal Mexican children to force their teachers to learn Spanish… to be “accommodating.” They get free handouts… paid for by our tax dollars. The list of things goes on and on. I wish that wall were built already!!!

          • I wish they’d end that anchor baby law, but no discussion on that. It wouldn’t cost a thing, but the libs don’t want that and there are too many in both parties. I wish there was some real way to take back control of our country legally and get those commies to worry about what we’re going to do. They aren’t worried about people who obey the laws, though.

          • They also don’t get vaccinated and bring so-called “childhood diseases” here that have long been eradicated. Just last year there was a major outbreak of mumps, but I don’t remember where or what state it was in. The LSM kept that covered up because it didn’t fit their narrative.

          • Here in MN they brought back the Measles. So many people were getting them that the hospitals put stands by all of the doors with gloves and masks for people entering to wear. A lot of it here isn’t the Mexicans, it’s the Somalians and I believe that they are even worse than the Mexicans.

          • So true but the rat`s that inhabit the swamp don`t care about those people, they just want the vote`s.

        • HALLELUJAH!!! AMEN!!!!!!! Who gives a damn if their country wants them back or not!!

    • Like your post, agree totally.

    • The only reason politicians want to impose restrictions on guns is because guns are the only thing preventing America from becoming a socialist dictatorship which most politicians prefer, both parties. We definitely know that the democrat party is the old Communist Party of America. And we also know that the only difference between the democrats and the GOP is their logo. If they didn’t fear all the armed citizens we would all be government slaves right now. That is why the Department of Education needs to be eliminated entirely because for the past 50 years it has provided nothing but the communist indoctrination of our youth.

    • When it gets to be a “few other Americans who live within the framework”, we’re REALLY in trouble as a country. We’re already in trouble, but we have more than a few law-abiding citizens who are patriots.

      • Yes Elaine,
        My “few other Americans” was a tongue in cheek statement. I desperately want to believe that there are many of us who still retain the values that founded our great experiment in democracy. And I can tell in this conservative echo chamber most agree. I still have hope and believe in this great country. It’s very apparent we have been lead astray. Stay focused and engaged in politics.
        Thank you for your comment.

        • John, me man, being the pessimist my wife claims I am, as you say, I too hope there are many of us who still retain the values…..; however, I fear there are too few, today, that would sign on to that pledge: “on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.” History shows that most that made that pledge died penniless, destitute and often violently!

        • Your are right on the money we have a great country and a president who cares about it. Unfortunately we have the Dems. and the RINOs that fight everything he is trying to do. But in spite of all that he is getting things done. It`s not easy getting the rats out of the swamp that have been there for years. It`s going to take some time but he will get the job done with the help of the true American`s who also care.

    • It would never work. Too many legal immigrants stay past the expiration of their green cards as it is. It seems our government is unable to keep tabs of them or what they’re doing. My sister is an INS agent and has told many overstays they have to go back, even if leaving their anchor baby children behind if they don’t want think they can be told to leave because they have children who are citizens.

      I just wonder how they make sure they get back if they overstayed for so many years in the first place and since we have so many illegal invaders they can’t track.

      • If you review that VA election, you will discover why that former Southern state has turned radical blue. It isn’t just those federal government employees residing and voting in VA. The Latino population has increased by 23% over just a five year period! The fastest growing part of the VA population by far.

        • I never thought of that being the reason for VA’s becoming blue.

          That Charlottesville escapade was a set up by the mayor and police. I doubt that the KKK even applied for the protest. They definitely herded the conservatives into a pen for them to be attacked.

          • If you REALLY want to read something surprising, watch a show on AHS channel (287 on DTV) called “Codes and Conspiracies.”

            The one that was on last week was about the American Nazi Party that was gaining a large foothold here even before Hitler took over Germany. And, some of the richest and most influential people in this country were part of it, like John Lincoln Rockefeller and others. Before WWII, Henry Ford was a huge (but closeted) anti-Semite, and he wasn’t the only one.

        • If you don’t like all of the Mexican’s in VA.—you won’t like Texas, I can assure you of that:(:(:( I don’t understand why, when these illegals file for government assistance, they don’t have to prove they are citizens of the USA????? If THAT one problem can be corrected, half of our illegals will leave the USA. Why leave, as long as we totally support them & their family? FREE everything—-:(:(:(:( Put a stop to that & we all win. MAGA

        • And don’t forget the immigrants that were resettled there by the government and churches. They get paid a bounty to resettle these people. After all the politicians living there need gardeners, cooks, housekeepers and nannies.

      • Force welfare recipients to stand in line to pick up their food stamps and money instead of sending their gift cards to them. Then get photographs of those picking up their goodies. I’m sure lots of them would stop coming for fear of being caught and deported. We make collecting welfare way to easy.

        • When they show up in their caddies and beemers, do they still collect?

          • Ah YEP!!

          • Would laugh, but not that funny. Witnessed the very same thing during our “Toys For Tots” Christmas campaigns.

          • They sure do!! They just had a turkey give away at the local baseball stadium. The news stations were there taking to the recipients as their cars were leaving. Let me say this, of the dozen or more that I saw that stopped to talk to the reporter they were all non-white people and none of the cars or SUV’s they were driving where older than the car I drive, which is a 99 Ford Escort. Could not see the wheels on the SUV’s but you can bet they all had those 24″ chrome babies.

    • I’ll donate a penny. I know lots more who would also donate a penny, and before long we would have enough to send this fool to some other country and even buy him a house!

    • Love your line of thought!!!

  7. HURRAY GO TEXAS HURRAY GO TRUMP 2020 HURRAYYY

  8. Be at peace with your neighbor, with a winter song, from Bill Pursell are winter love to you.

  9. The Demo-Rats and the RINO are in sink together and trying to destroy our Country from within.
    Please Please people wake up the Politicians are trying to remove our duly elected President Donald Trump.
    The Demo-Rats as well as the Rino’s are causing the invasion of illegals to our Country with the help of the critically placed Judges to stop President Trump from preventing the invasion and removing the invaders.
    This invasion of illegals is to over load our systems and turn our Country into a third World Country.

    If you care about your freedoms then start fighting back before it is to late to do anything.
    Soros is a enemy of any and all free societies make no mistake that he is also supporting the illegal Barack Hussein Obama a Communist/Muslim.
    The Democrat Party is nothing more than Communist, Socialist, and far left leaning Progressives, they are destroying every Country they are in. LOOK TO EUROPE AND OTHER COUNTRIES AND SEE WHAT I am saying is the truth.
    GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE IT IS PEOPLE THAT KILL PEOPLE !!!!

    • Commiecrats and RINOs!

    • Amen. And, as an aside, I personally believe that John McCain will NEVER vote on a single piece of legislation that President Trump favors because he is a vindictive, traitorous little b*****d. Sorry he has cancer, but in my mind, he has done absolutely NOTHING for this country except get richer.

      • Yep and he has played the POW card for far to long.
        However he did marry into money, so all he has done while in the government was for himself,family and friends.
        He did not need the money but the fame and glory was what he needed.
        He John McCain has done nothing for the average person in Arizona. I feel good that his minion Flake took my advice and dropping out, he also did nothing but vote with the Democrats and of course McCain.

        • I could not agree with you more. He calls himself the “Maverick of the Senate.”

          He is a disagreeable, hateful person and he always has been.

          No wonder the Vietnam Veterans can’t stand him.

          As for Jeff Flake, I will never understand how or why he was ever elected.

          • Yep and I will bet that most of McCain lack of interest in doing his job that he was put in to do, is that he wanted to be President and most of the voters did not want him.
            He has been a vindictive force in the Senate all along.
            Unfortunately he is still riding the POW train and his voters keep voting him in, feeling sorry for him I guess.

          • Having little knowledge of his career, more like it….

          • Flake and the Governor of Arizona got caught on a open mike plotting to stop Trump from anything he is trying to do.
            There we go we now we have proof and know that this governor needs to go in the next election, he does not care about Arizona or it’s legal citizens.
            Think that he is just a joke and a puppet of McCain.

          • I didn’t know about that hot mic thing with the two AZ politicians.

            What makes me so mad is all the proof of things they have about things the libs have done and there’s nothing being done about it.

            Obama told illegals they could and should vote. The libs rationalize in some way, but I don’t know how they can even come up with another explanation. Something about telling the Mexican citizens they should vote? Even the wetbacks / illegals understood what he meant when they showed up to vote in droves.

            All of those Congressmen giving IT access to those Awan brothers and even PAYING them millions to hack into our security!! ALL of them should be investigated at the very least and DWS should be prosecuted for keeping him on for so much longer.

          • Nice post Elaine, well stated.We need to keep up the heat on not only illegals but the Corruption going on in the Congress and Judicial branches.
            Just a thought!

          • “….to stop Trump from anything he is trying to do.” Called “The Good Ole Boy’s Club.” These two are only on the bottom rung of the ladder. Most of “TGOBC,” and girls, wanting to at the least roadblock, and/or oust this president, are members of that 3 martini lunch crowd in the puzzle palace of DC! Seems I recall somebody having the desire to “Drain The Swamp?” Already a year in, and the swamp lice are breeding faster than mice, and too many remain active!

          • Got to agree with you there Firewagon, time will tell if Trump can change the flow.

          • God can do it and He’s using President Trump to do so. 🙂 MAGA!!

          • Let us hope that all will be well in the end, if not we will be no more.

          • I was just listening to Mark Taylor (ex-firefighter in FL) on a recent interview who said that probably 50% of all the elected politicians in our country had stolen the office and McCain was one of them. We should all insist on paper ballots because the software on Soros’s voting machines was allowing them to be programmed for results, like those that became for HRC even though straight party RNC lever was pulled. He said that Obama’s 2nd term was also stolen, which many of us suspected all along.

          • Nothing about a politician should surprise any of us.
            We must force the Term limits for all politicians and the Judicial branch as well as anyone who runs a office connected to our government.
            We as a nation are in danger of loosing our FREEDOMS and our COUNTRY, because of the ties to corruption, greed and all around thievery from our government.
            God help us to save ourselves and our Country the last of the Free societies.

          • The “Songbird” as it seems the Vietnamese called him, was never a hero and shouldn’t have been a pilot or stayed in after the ship fiasco except for his father and grandfather. Always a coward with his records hidden by the MSM as well as the hard copy records hidden by “misfiling” for so long.

          • He has the right name ,Flake fit`s him perfectly.

      • Oh—John McCain has done a lot for America. (sarc)—-He illegally fired up his jet aircraft, on board an aircraft carrier & killed well over a hundred sailors. He was at the bottom of his class at the US Naval Academy, BUT, because of his father & grandfather, he was excused:(:(:( I don’t really care one little bit that he has cancer. He killed great American’s and got totally away with it:( When will he have to pay for that stunt???? FRY his butt before he dies from cancer. MAGA

    • Excellent post that`s a grand slam home run.

  10. Steven David Cessna

    WELL SAID AND SO TRUE.

  11. The guy to watch closely is John Coryn, Republican Senator from Texas, who is co-sponsoring a new “bipartisan” gun control legislation with Democrat Senator Feinstein. Feinstein has pushed for gun confiscation for over a decade. This is NOT a good omen. Republicans are capitulating on gun control.

    • As a Texan I am working to get rid of him. Kay Bailey Hutchison did the same thing before she left the senate.

      • Seems like being in Washington DC too long affects the mentality of even the most patriotic Americans. Keep it up and America will have its own version of the Hunger Games.

        • I agree 100%. We had a good friend in the Air Force that we really liked. We even went on vacations with him and his wife. He retired to the DC area and after 30 + years up there he is a radical left wing nut cast. We have quit him completely. It is the water or the air. The whole area is contaminated.

          • They climb on that government train, take in those 3 martini lunches, and just ride baby ride. All you need do is check out Maxine Watters, from government assistance to multi-millionaire, complements of “we the serfs!” In politics since ’73, Congress since ’91 – 26 years, but living off of taxpayers for 44+ years! Somebody please explain how these hacks are able to ENRICH themselves, into the multi-millionaire stratosphere, while “SERVING?”

          • I think there is only ONE explanation, CORRUPTION !!!!

          • That contamination comes from the swamp that has to be emptied.

    • Look at how many are Rinos

  12. My BIGGEST complaint is with my state charging me an exorbitant FEE ($85 up from my initial $15) for some license to exercise my RIGHT to “bear arms!” I probably need to check with my Governor and see why those “licenses” for those other Amendments under the Constitution have failed to arrive in my mailbox?

    • Do you have to pay that every year?

      • LOL! Not funny, but were that the case, I’d be running around like one of those gang bangers, license less! Every five years is the renewal, FOR NOW – $17 per year. I have already told my Governor that I’m done paying some paper shuffler, that already is getting paid with my tax dollars, to process my renewal! As I already willingly face some felony gun violation charge by entering “Gun Free Zones” armed (those that don’t frisk or metal detect to disarm me), doing the same EVERYWHERE, without a license, just like ANY other criminal, seems reasonable. Part of My “personal credo” is to NEVER have to voice the same lament as that of my hero, Dr. Susanna Hupp, in her testimony before congress: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvTO-y-B2YM The media’s anti-gun darling, Shumer, with his attendant condescending scowl, was there. Pay close attention near the end when Dr. Hupp points out the WHY of that dastardly 2nd Amendment. The PRIMARY part of that credo, of mine, reads: I will obey no man-made law that would deny me my “God Given Right” to self-defense, by any appropriate means, ANYWHERE, 2nd Amendment appreciated, but NOT required! Sorry, I’ve gotten a bit mouthy in me oldt age.

        • Thanks for that info. I wasn’t trying to be funny. 🙂 I’m all for gun rights, but don’t own one. I’ve always lived in the south and no sense of urgency in having a gun. If I lived were there were a lot of crimes like Detroit, Chicago, or even Atlanta or Houston; it might be different.

          I realize that even a small town like Sutherland Springs, TX is subject to mass shootings; but I don’t even worry about picking up hitchhikers after I’ve driven by them a couple of times as long as I’m by myself. At those times, my car is a more powerful weapon as long as I’m not afraid. I think my guardian angels work overtime for me. You wouldn’t believe all the miracles I’ve had.

          • Ahh, “guardian angels,” hope to qualify as one one day! As you note, even a small town can be visited by evil. Every time it happens, you, too often, hear the same reply, “we’re such a small community, with hardly any crime, stuff like this just doesn’t happen here.” Sadly, America is no longer the country I grew up in. Most of the time, our parents, of my day, hardly knew where we were from daylight to dark. ‘Course, we had no “electronic gadgets” with which to turn us into globs of goo by staying in the house! From Washington State, Kentucky, Germany, Indiana, S Carolina, N Carolina, Georgia, CA, (Army brat) and other places, I recall of no instance where any kid went missing, much less was abducted. NOW, they are snatched right out of their front yards in broad daylight. “We” have allowed America to lose the “culture war,” over the past fifty-odd years. As you say, “I don’t own one,” (gun), and not everyone is geared up to be some “armed gunny.” That said, predators of sheep are only discouraged by the presence of a “Sheep Dog.” As seen from nearly ALL these ramped up “mass shootings,” evil loves the unguarded shooting gallery, a.k.a. a “Gun Free Zone.” STAY SAFE, keep your head on a swivel, when out amongst ’em, and STAY IN TOUCH with your “GUARDIAN ANGEL!” God’s Blessings on you and yours….

          • I just got this e-mail and wanted to share.

            https://biggeekdad.com/2013/05/thank-you-from-ray-stevens/

          • Ahh, ole Ray Stevens, a fav! AMEN!! And thank you sister for sharing. 🇺🇸

        • That was a great vid!! Thanks for adding it.

          Was that Chuck Schumer on the panel? I couldn’t tell because the vid made that person look better than Schumer looks to me.

          • That was him, however, in the early ’90s. I try not to look at him at any time, something like viewing the head of Medusa. All anyone needs know about Chucky is his infamous statement: “We’re going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We’re going to beat guns into submission!”

            U.S. Representative Charles Schumer (D-NY) on NBC, 12/8/93

            His other statement, “It’s the camel’s nose under the tent,” in reference to, I think(slept a lot since then), the Feinstein Assault Weapons Ban at about the same time.

          • There are several I try to look at for the same reason. They just make me sick, including Obama, Pelosi, Podesta, L. Graham and Jimmy Carter. Some I can look at, but can’t stand to listen to like HRC, WJC, Waters, McCain, and a few others. It’s getting to the point I can hardly stand to look at Paul Ryan and so many others in RNC who won’t support President Trump, and therefore, we citizens, either.

  13. Senator John Cornyn
    Senator John Cornyn you teaming up with California gun grabber Diane Feinstein, introducing gun control legislation in the U.S. Senate! Initial reports say that the Feinstein-Cornyn  bill will expand the Brady-NICS gun owner registry to become a Super Database –stripping even more Texans of their Second Amendments rights without due process.

    And as the second-highest ranking Senate Republican, You , Senator Cornyn you are busy whipping up other weak-kneed Republicans to join in on Feinstein`s scheme.

    And YOU are hoping that you can quietly usher this bill along the process while we move deeper into the holiday season.

    Senator Cornyn I ask you to abandon all efforts to push gun control! WE THE PEOPLE do not agree on what you are doing to ALL of US .
    Thank you Sir

    • It is time for a recall effort in Texas. Even if it does not succeed, it may make him pull back. I wish that we in Arizona could recall Juan McPain, but, he may be getting a recall from God one of these days.

    • When is he up for reelection??? I shall be sure not to vote for him, as long as a Democrap doesn’t run against him.

    • I’ve read that doctors are, or were, asking patients if they have a gun. Never answer anyone asking who is keeping records of any kind if there’s no need to tell.

      Also, remember that in NO, LA; armed and uniformed agents of FEMA, Army or NOPD went into people’s homes and confiscated food and weapons. How can a government that uses catastrophes to carry out tyranny be trusted?

  14. the math is simple more legal firearms equal less crime,whereas all gun control has caused is more crime.

  15. Damn the statistics, the simple fact is the Constitution “AUTHORIZES” citizens to “bear arms” even if the million were convicted of murder and only four wasn’t.

    Yes, it does show that CCW people are some of the most “law abiding citizens” in the nation.

    Now compare the numbers of Politicians who have committed crime with their population and you’ll find the Politician have a higher crime rate among them than CCW people.

  16. Liberals are morons and will never understand this concept that law-abiding citizens of gunowners do not commit crimes.

    It’s the illegal aliens, immigrants, criminals from other countries that come in and laugh at our laws and our law enforcement by illegal guns and do the killing. Just look at Chicago in their murder rate with illegal guns but no one will post that because the liberals want to hide that or don’t see it because they’re idiots. They are trying to get a globalist agenda and take over the US like they did Europe now Europe is kicking back and kicking out all the immigrants are not taking anymore or if they are taking them it’s very few and selected like Donald Trump once!

    • I don’t see how there’s anyone who doesn’t see it, but my son doesn’t seem to and he’s not stupid. He has to be brainwashed and my ex-military e-pal has the same problem with some of his grandchildren’s ideas. He’s an NRA member and has taken his whole family out to learn survival skills in CO.

  17. Hitler disarmed German citizens then enslaved them, murdered them. Our gun rights have nothing to do with gun crime or hunting. Those who promote those issues are…dull.
    Our gun rights are in place to resist tyrant government.

    • Right. And, it should be duly noted that the madman who murdered 26 people in Sutherland Springs two weeks ago had a LIFELONG HISTORY of anger issues, bullying, mental illness, and abuse. Yes, the USAF never reported his conviction but, truth be told, he should NEVER have EVER been allowed to EVER put his hands on a weapon, let alone enlist in the USAF or ANY military service!!! Had he been arrested for the crimes he committed BEFORE he enlisted, he would still be in prison and 26 people would still be alive.

      • True. In unarmed countries, psychos use hammers, knives, baseball bats, cars…whatever they can use to cause mass murder. Firearms aren’t the issue. How do you isolate psychos? When does one become pathologically psycho? Is angry still ok? Raising your voice? Perhaps better a population able to individually defend itself? Sutherland Springs wouldn’t have happened. If 21 thousand concert goers had returned fire, Law Vegas wouldn’t have occured either. Yes. Armed individuals, Texas, Israel, Switzerland, may be the best immediate answer.

        • I think HIPPA is the biggest problem in reporting and tracking mentally ill people. It was instituted to protect the identify of AKIDs patients. Now it is killing people.

        • I don’t think returning fire was possible in LV. Nobody could have hit the windows from below if they could have even shot there. The police were armed and knew not to try. If a helicopter was involved, it had gone dark and night time was used to hide the participants, which I don’t think included Paddock alone, if at all.

          • Thanks Elaine. You are very likely correct. 21 thousand people returning fire could have produced an equivalent nightmare. But it also allows an imagining; a social mindset and consideration; suicide by cop; armed resistance with near certainty the offender will not survive or continue to offend without absolute risk. Admittedly, there are many lethal risks and complexities in the idea of 21 thousand people shooting at a glass-front hotel. But 578 innocents had already proved at lethal risk. More, the statistical insidence of suicide by cop, the certainty of return fire, appears to be significant, considerable and profoundly rare. Texas, Wyoming, Montana, Oregon, Florida (opened carry states) are proving this. Their accumulating statistics and immediate drop in social crime stats are THE significant aspect of the second amendment which the disarm movement-gun free zone crowd intentionally avoids.

          • LOL!! I just imagined 21,000 people returning fire on shooters. What a site that would be!!

          • Wrag time. 8 rounds each? 168000 rounds all at once might change a psychotic, murderous mind.

  18. THOSE WHO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY INTEND TO KILL YOU. IF THE DEMOCRAT COMMUNISTS WANT TO SEIZE GUNS, LET THEM START WITH INDIAN RESERVATIONS. GIVE ME CALL. LET ME KNOW HOW YOU MADE OUT.

  19. ADMIRAL YAMMAMOTO WAS ASKED WHY HE DID NOT INVADE THE WEST COAST AFTER PEARL HARBOR. HE REPLIED BEHIND EVERY BLADE OF GRASS IS AN AMERICAN WITH A RIFLE.

    • I just realized that’s why the Japanese were teaching the women, children, and non-military men to fight with pitchforks and such for the invasion they expected from the U.S. They still didn’t want the people to be armed.

  20. Folks, get behind the Convention of States, totally supported by our founding fathers inserting Article V in our constitution for just such times as these. Their intent is to ammend with term limits, balanced budget ammendment, etc., we need 2/3 of states to ratify and it is law. Our 2nd ammendment rights should have no attached laws and licenses, that is just another way of collecting money AND knowing who has the guns, so they can confiscate when they have enough “laws” to do so. Call, email and write your elected officials and be loud about it!

  21. With the amount of weapons laws on the books today, as soon as you clear a background check and purchase a gun, the laws should also respect your ability to carry if you so desire. I do not carry yet as have not taken time and my DD214 to get it, however mine is always close and HOT. Interesting NOTE, if I was a bad guy I wouldn,t have to worry about a CC permit. Sumthing B kinda screwd up there, and I an the good guy.

  22. AZ is an open carry state! All purchases must go thru the Fed Registration program. A CCW is available for any who want it after taking and passing an 8 hr class. I have one. With over 300+ million guns of every kind in the USA, it would not be a good idea to try to stifle ownership unless CURRENT laws forbid ownership for reasons of insanity, felonious crimes, and other crimes where people are hurt or killed!
    ALL 23 mass shootings in the USA have been done by DemocRATs or Muslims!! We cannot forget that Radical Muslims killed almost 3,000 people in the World Trade Center the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania on 9-11-2001. I’d be happy to give you the complete list of the DemocRAT perps, just ask!!!

    • Neither can we forget that if laws EVER take away guns, don’t surrender them. Look at most of the countries in the world that have done so and look at Switzerland, where the opposite is true.

  23. AMEN!!!🔫🇺🇸🤠🇨🇱

  24. I live in Texas. I don’t own a gun, and guess what- I agree completely. I feel safer here than just about anywhere else I have ever lived. People who own guns legally understand them, and they more than likely are not going to use them against me, as I am not a threat to them.

  25. Facts mean nothing to liberals and their desires.

  26. The left doesn’t care about gun safety they care about power. Their power over others. It’s in Saul Alinsky’s “Rule for Radicals” book which is the left’s playbook “never let a crisis go to waste”. That’s why they always come out after a mass shooting for gun control. So while these numbers make sense to normal people the rabid left doesn’t care. They just want power.

  27. But it only takes one nut case, and there you are …..

    • Richard B… The nut cases would be few and far between except for the fact that the mental institutions and the mental health framework were shut down during the Reagan administration. All of that came under the heading of budget cuts and none of that apparatus was ever restored.

    • Like the kid in Charleston who deliberately sought out a church. If they’d have had someone carrying a gun, that wouldn’t have happened. The same thing with the church in TX recently.

  28. “Gun Control” has nothing to do with guns. It is simply about “control”. If citizens are disarmed they become slaves to the tyrannical Government.

  29. THe very idea of more gun control is pure nonsense. The people who commit the crimes are not stupid. They are careful in picking their targets, the weak, the elderly, women, and the unarmed.. AND those criminals carry guns that are not and never have been registered. Even respected police forces will tell you to protect yourself because the police can’t possibly be everywhere and have even become targets themselves. So for some politician to tell me I don’t have the right to protect my home and family is absolute lunacy.

    • Rev. Walking Turtle

      Worse than lunacy imvho. Act of WAR. CULTURE WAR, mid-late stage per the standing Map and Agenda.

      It’s a protocol that has stood since well prior to 1906, when it was codified into a single composite document. Its proponents are Learned Elders of a Neo-Globalized, Tribally Administered Empire whose Name Can No Longer be Spoken in such a Forum as this due to recent upticks in #GoogleGestapo activity.

      But a duckduckgo on the clue-words will git the text anyway. KNOW THY ENEMY. And that is all. 0{:-|o[

  30. The libs’ gun-grabbing efforts are not intended to keep anybody safe, except maybe to keep the criminals safe from their intended victims. The primary intent is to keep a corrupt government safe from the general public. If we are disarmed, any thug cop or “soldier” can come into our homes and do whatever may please them. Like in other leftist countries that deny the RKBA.

  31. I’m almost 70. I’ve never been arrested. I’ve never committed a crime. I’ve never stolen anything. I’ve never cheated on my wife and I have not had a speeding ticket in over 20 years. I served in Vietnam in 1967, we lost 134 good men in ONE day. Look it up. U.S.S. Forrestal 1967. Yes, I’ve carried a gun my entire life. Yes I have had a concealed carry permit for years. The easiest thing I’ve ever done in my life was to be honest and stay out of trouble but, if trouble comes looking for me, troubles over with one pull of my trigger finger….and I love my country. No GD criminal is going to take me or any part of my family out if I can stop them. Don’t tread on me.

    • We’re the same age. My brother served in Vietnam as a USMC computer operator after his training at Quantico, so his main danger was from the attacks while in his tent or barrack. He was framed for murder while there, though, and JAG tried to make him plea bargain for several years in prison. He had been the only one besides the top brass to know about the list of personnel being left behind because of black syphilis so he was a loose end. After hiring a Vietnamese lawyer, she’s the one who got him off when the “gook” he was supposed to have killed in the shower showed up in court. My brother was then sent to NC to learn heavy equipment operating and then to Guam. He chose the Marines because our father was one in WWII Pacific.

      A young man a year older than I went to Vietnam and lost his legs up to his thighs when he refused to leave the fields without sending a replacement for him as sr. officer with a bunch of greenhorns. He went into the field ahead of his unit and stepped on a trip wire or some sort of detonation device. They named a school after him and he invented his own legs that would let him walk, finished college and served as a military advocate for soldiers while he was in CA. He also became our school’s hero.

      Those were not pretty times, nor are these.

      Thanks for your service.

  32. People get it in your head as long as we have a government with Democrats in we will always have to fear what the CONGRESS WILL DO, THEY ARE DETERMINED TO TAKE OUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
    However with out the Second Amendment we will have no rights, and before we know it we will not have a Constitution at all.
    We must keep our CONSTITUTION AND AMENDMENTS FOR ALL TIMES.
    JUST A HEADS UP!!!

    • I think you’re preaching to the choir here. Go to a lib site to tell them to get it in their heads. I don’t like going to those sites, however. I have accidentally gone into them and once tried to defend Rev. Franklin Graham at one. I just deleted all notifications from there.

  33. My guns are always fully controlled.

  34. The even more amazing thing is that 2+2 still equal 4.

  35. Law abiding citizens carrying concealed guns are a positive influence against gun violence. Insane Demorats want to make it impossible for good citizens to get guns, but don’t seem to be bothered by the fact that millions of guns are owned by criminals.

  36. Troops Ordered To Kill All Americans Who Do Not Turn In Guns
    4,939,262 views
    Published on Jul 16, 2012
    You tube on Alex Jones

    Go to about 9 1/2 minutes in where soldiers and police went to houses in NO, LA confiscating guns and food and punching an elderly woman in the face. Police were raping women and looting, coming from all over the country.

    • Elaine:
      As I understand, the courts decided that the police were wrong in this action in NOLA . Read this:”The city dragged its feet in returning confiscated firearms to their lawful owners. However, NRA persisted until 2008, when NRA and New Orleans came to a settlement in which the city agreed to carry out an acceptable procedure for returning the firearms. The agreement allowed owners to get back their guns without documented proof of ownership, which many residents were understandably unable to provide.” Source NRA-ILA. You could also do your own research into the lawsuit. So, the system worked. If you want to be unarmed and vulnerable that’s your constitutional right. Millions of us aren’t going to be defenseless. Know that just upsets your leftist inclinations but, there it is.

      • It didn’t work because it happened in the first place. That elderly woman who was hit didn’t get real justice. That girl that was gang raped by the NOPD didn’t get justice. Just because the courts tried to correct the situation to the best of their ability doesn’t mean that it was prevented in the first place, that people didn’t get hurt, that people weren’t traumatized, that their food wasn’t taken and their homes weren’t invaded.

        You can quit rationalizing the situation any time you’d like. What you’re saying is that because someone was robbed and the courts gave them their possessions back means everything was okay!!

        I’m not a leftist in the least and I don’t see where you even can say that!!! If anyone is the liberal Fascist here, it’s YOU!!!!!!!!!

  37. Very simple and to the point … “The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun … Is a Good Guy with a Gun.”
    I am the NRA, And I am Freedom’s safest Place.
    And lastly, What part of the 2nd amendment do you not understand about >> Unalienable Right?

  38. ALSO, PRINT HOW MANY HOME INVASIONS, BURGLES, STORE ROBBERIES, AND SO FORTH HAVE BEEN STOPPED BY ARMED CITIZENS AND YOU WILL SEE LEGAL CARRY AND HOME PROTECTED BY ARMED CITIZENS STOPPED OVER 1 MILLION INSTANCES ALMOST EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAS 15 YEARS AND SAVED HOW MANY LIVES. WHERE HAVE THESE CRIMES BEEN COMMITTED, GUN FREE ONES AND JUST RECENTLY 54 PEOPLE WERE GUN’ED DOWN IN CHURCH AND IF 5 OR TEN OF THEM HAD A LEGAL GUN ON THEM THAT WOULD HAVE STOPPED A LOT SOONER AND HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT DEAD !!!!!! TRUMP WHERE ARE YOU ON YOUR PROMISE TO PASS 50 STATE CONCEALED GUN CARRY LAW !!! IT IS OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT ANYWAY !!! VIETNAM VET

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